User:Valfontis/Archive 3

Glad you're a Crumpacker Backer now
And I'm really looking forward to your Spruce Production Division article which will make everything clear! --Sprkee 04:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I updated the Crumpacker saga, thanks to a pointer from Aboutmovies. One thread I started following had to do with his wife's legacy that I thought might be in your area of expertise or interest. She was the daughter of an Oregon Trail pioneer, James W. Cook. He seems to have some interesting pioneer history, documented in the "History of the Columbia River Valley From The Dalles to the Sea", which I started reading here. So in case you are looking for something else to suck you in.... --Sprkee 17:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Content from Bend Living
Hi Katr67 ... I understand the SPAM policy. I believe the changes I made regarding Central Oregon add value to readers in that each article showcases our beautiful state. We are not asking people to buy anything. We simply want them to have access to content that will help them plan a vacation and what to do when they're here.

For instance:

"Paradise Found" talks about "The roots of Central Oregon’s backcountry scene date to the early 1900s when Swedish and Norwegian loggers brought skiing to Bend from the Midwest and Scandinavia."

"Cathedral of Climbing" has some of the most spectacular photography of climbers at Smith Rock State Park. It also includes resources for climbers who visit Central Oregon.

"Rollin' (and Rockin') on The River" features the Bend Paddle Alliance and their work for a safer Deschutes. Again, the photography is beautiful.

"Central Oregon's 10 Best Places to Fly-Fish" lists the best places to cast your line in Central Oregon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chebert512 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Hi Carrie, I suggest you read What Wikipedia is Not. One of the things Wikipedia is not is a place for helping people plan their vacations or even to showcase the state. You might want to check out Wikitravel, where the kind of content you want to add to the article is quite welcome. If you are truly interested in contributing to Wikipedia, I'd suggest adding content, not links. If you have further questions about the content you wish to add to the Bend, Oregon article, be sure to mention them on the article's talk page. Thanks and happy editing. Katr67 20:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. Also please read this about external links--it is strongly discouraged that you add links to sites with which you are closely affiliated. Thanks. See also conflict of interest. Katr67 20:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Plunderathon
Thanks for re-wikifiing the Plunderathon article. We ran into an editorial conflict when two of us were editing it at once, and I believe the solution that was used was "cut n paste," which didn't work out so well. --Davethehorrible 01:02, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Still Pending revision
I noticed that you reverted an edit to the Still Pending article that appeared to be vandalism. Would you mind putting a warning on the user's talk page User_talk:KEVRAYRecords so that they understand the policy? You are quite the prolific editor about all things Oregon! Thank you for all of your contributions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stampsations (talk • contribs) 20:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Hi there. I warn users all the time when I'm at home where my vandal script works. When I'm supposed to be working, at work where I can't use Firefox, I often don't take the time to warn vandals because I have to type out the templates by hand. That's just the way it's gonna be. But thanks for the reminder. And you're welcome! Cheers. Katr67 20:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. It's been too long since the vandalism for a warning to that user to be effective, I think. If s/he is still vandalizing, of course s/he should be warned again. Katr67 20:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. Stampsations 02:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Cookie
Thanks for the cookie. I can use one...I gotta go reboot a system at 1am. -- Finngall  talk  00:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Gak. What a weekend--heavy housecleaning, light home improvement, multiple parental units, and the door to the game room started falling off its hinges and needs replacing.  Bibble.  Bibble. B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b..... -- Finngall   talk  19:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Katr67 -

Thank you for reviewing my first article. I will work on proper categorization very soon.

GOSCON is not a pure acronym, it roughly stands for "Government Open Source Conference" and I am worried that as an entry title that would be a little generic. Let me know what you think based on the Wikipedia naming conventions.

Thank you!

Chess —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chessicle (talk • contribs) 01:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

Cascade passes
I am almost afraid to touch anything about the Cascades. There is one editor who thinks there is a distinction to be made between the 'Cascades' and the 'Casade Mountains', claiming some mountains are in the Cascades, some in the Cascade Mountains and some in both. I hate to think what would happen to passes as well. Hmains 04:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Governor of Oregon
I was on this page today and the navigation template with all the past govs is having issues, but I wanted to make sure it wasn't just my computer. Could you see if the v d e and edit are behind the title? Thanks. Aboutmovies 15:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems to be working fine in Explorer... Katr67 16:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking, I have explorer too and both the Gov template and the curretn govs templates are not displaying properly for me. Time for a re-boot. Aboutmovies 16:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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NHRP tidbit
This page looks like it could use a little gnomification from a NHRP geek: Grays River (Washington) (see the bit about the covered bridge...) Enjoy! -Pete 09:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Gnoming accomplished, including on a couple related articles. I'll try to get around to writing an article on the bridge. First I have to help my friend get her master's degree by editing a couple of her final papers... Katr67 14:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Northerly! LOL! Good luck with the "real life" editing... -Pete 19:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Heh. But for some reason I left "southwesterly" in the other article. At least they aren't statistics papers this time... Katr67 20:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Official Appointment
Now nobody can claim nobody ever appointed you the police of Wikipedia. Hopefully the mellow is now somewhat unharshed. -Pete 06:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Jeff the Great weighs in again
Thanks for all the traffic to my http://jeffthegreat.blogspot.com blog, Katr67! Too bad I haven't made your User page as someone you hate :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.117.164.28 (talk • contribs) 16:16, May 8, 2007


 * No problem. But I'm confused. I don't keep a list of people I hate. Am I supposed to? Hate lists are uncivil. Besides, I don't hate you, but I wish you would read up on wikipolicy. Katr67 16:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Oregon politician stubs
There are a lot of politician stubs, including those not tagged as such, that need to be expanded. I see you made a place to list them under WikiProject_Oregon/People but from the description on the main project page, I would almost expect them to be under the Government subproject. So could we either expand the description of the People subproject to specifically call out politicians, or decide to have politician bios be a part of the Government project? I think people who are into the government stuff tend to be into the politicians themselves as well. --Sprkee 17:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey Sprkee, I'm not attached to where they go, I just wanted a place to keep track of 'em. For sure feel free to rewrite or cross-reference the two sub-projects so it's clearer. My bias is that I'm more interested in people than politicians. :) I figure most everybody who's actually working on this stuff is already aware of both lists, but yes, if we want new people to get involved we should definitely make the redlinks easier to find. Katr67 17:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the invite - I'm also starting on a category and related pages for Category:University of Oregon buildings. I plan on taking pictures (myself, of course) of at least the appealing buildings on campus and incorporating them into new articles about campus history (I'm a bit of a UO history buff =P). Nice to meet a fellow duck on here! akendall (talk) 19:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Glad to have you aboard. Good idea on the buildings--quite a bit of work needs to be done there. I took a few pics last time I was in Eugene, but the weather was gloomy so the light wasn't so good. I did add a couple images to the Knight Library, bookstore and museum articles but better pics are always welcome. I've got a few more I need to upload... Be sure to check the commons--there's quite a bit of UO stuff on there. Cheers! Katr67 20:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You sure are quick with those Wikiproject Oregon tags. =P akendall (talk) 04:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

LOL. Some people tell me I need to get a life. :) Katr67 04:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Capitol
Thank you for the correction.

Live and learn.

(capitol, not capital) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beaver1believer (talk • contribs) 17:08, May 11, 2007


 * You're welcome. It's a common mistake. Katr67 17:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Three Rivers, Oregon
Three Rivers is an interesting example of wikipedia's laws limitations. The problem is, there is basically no published information on the subject, so almost anything added is going to be considered original and thus wrong. In this way, we can't learn about Three Rivers simply because no one has published it.

I've lived in Three Rivers and my information is verifiable -- but "verify" here would mean calling the people and asking them if what i write is accurate.

So what's the solution to this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rayjackson30 (talk • contribs) 11:33, May 11, 2007


 * Thanks very much for bringing this up for discussion. First of all, please read about originial research. Unfortunately, personal experience does not count as a reliable source on Wikipedia. If there isn't anything published about the situation in a secondary source, I'm afraid it will need to stay out of the article, because as you correctly guessed, calling up people to verify the info doesn't count. I do find the "lawlessness" situation interesting, and I didn't know that Three Rivers was a gated community. Can you at least find a reliable source for that information? I see your revisions have become increasingly less POV, so thanks for working on that. If you want to go ahead and add a few sentences on the legal status of the community that are NPOV, I would be OK with adding a fact tag to that part and seeing if we can find more information. BTW, I believe "photographic evidence" doesn't work as a reliable source either. I'll take a closer look when I'm not supposed to be working. I hope that helps. Katr67 18:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Springbrook, List of Yamhill County Post Offices
I will gladly cite my sources. Can I get info on book and pamphlet citing format? --Zinc2005 15:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I find using citation templates is the easiest, maybe modify the books one to use for a pamphlet. According to the Chicago Manual of Style (one of the style guides Wikipedia suggests when the Wikipedia MOS doesn't address something), the format for pamphlets is here. If you're using OGN, you can just copy and paste this template:

and add the page number. Since I use it all the time that's what I do. I keep a copy of it on my user page and just open the edit screen to copy and paste it when I need to. (I'd link to it, but since my user page doesn't have a TOC, I guess I can't--it's a little more than halfway down the page.) Hope that helps. Katr67 16:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Here is the page on footnotes. To simplify, most of the time on the Oregon articles we are trying to use the tags around the citations, and then a References section with the reflist template. Other methods are OK, but that's what a bunch of us are trying to do. Katr67 16:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry, I didn't notice you'd replied. Okay, I tried it on my own, I'll revise them. By the way, where did you get the info on the Springbrook post office closing date? OGN? --Zinc2005 19:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I must have got it from OGN, not sure why I didn't cite it. I'll go ahead and add the cite now. Katr67 19:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * With or without a TOC, you can still link to the section header...though your superscripted "ref" tag makes for an ugly URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Katr67#My_favorite_citation.07UNIQ5127530c4bf7191e-nowiki-00000008-QINU1.07UNIQ5127530c4bf7191e-nowiki-00000009-QINU
 * =) -Pete 19:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I tried that and I couldn't seem to get it to jump to the right section. You're right that it's ugly. I thought about fixing it but I'd rather work on articles. :) Katr67 19:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * How do you cite a section of a book? (or informational map, in this case?) --Zinc2005 20:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. There's a way to cite the chapter of a book with multiple authors (example from Chicago Manual: Repgen, K. 1987. What is a 'Religious War'? In Politics and society in Reformation Europe, edited by E. I. Kouri and T. Scott, 311-328. London: Macmillan.), but I'm not sure about a map section. Can you give an example? Katr67 20:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, reference 2 on Springbrook. "Rural schools" is the section (it's included in the title right now.)--Zinc2005 22:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it's fine the way it is now. If it were me, I'd probably do it something like this: "Historical Map of Yamhill County, Oregon [map]: Rural Schools.", or not even bother to mention the section at all--as long as it makes it easy for someone else to find the info if they wanted to, that's the most important thing. Katr67 05:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

George Washington (Washington pioneer)
Hi, thanks for the help on editing this one. I tried to clean it up a bit. Bearian 00:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and Wow, great job on the cleanup. I wouldn't have noticed this at all if you hadn't put the oregon stub tag on it. Interesting how something that looks like total garbage can turn out to be a quite notable subject. Happy editing! Katr67 01:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Des Griffin
Hello Katr67, "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards". Ok, but you do not explain why... I would be interested to know your arguments about that. Don't you think this model is a little "agressive" for a new article that has already 2 references (which is a lot more than about 50 % of the articles on WP) ? To you, g'day, Eristik 03:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I took the tags off. I'm getting tired of arguing with people. But some of the syntax is a little off in places, and just because other articles aren't up to Wikistandards doesn't mean you can compare them. Ideally, each fact in an article should be backed with a citation. That makes it easier when other editors add new info. Tags shouldn't be construed as "agressive"--we're all just here to improve articles. Happy editing. Katr67 03:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok for syntax, on my user page you will notice that ma langue maternelle est le français. I still believe, in general, that clean up is often done by users who do not know enough about the subject of the articles they're cleaning. Just a constructive comment. Merci et je vous souhaite une très belle journée, Eristik 17:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

See my comments on the article's talk page. Merci. Katr67 04:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

treasurers
Looking for a copy editor...anyone seen a copy editor around here? Can you weigh in at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_May_13, about how the capitalization should be? (And otherwise, if you so desire.) I am usually good with that stuff, but can't seem to wrap my head around whether the official title "State Treasurer" means that "State treasurers of Oregon" should have a capital T...and I have no style manuals laying around! -Pete 20:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * My brain hurts--I've been in the data entry zone all day. I'll take a message for the copy editor. I'll see if I can get my brain to wake up and take a look at it this evening. TTYL Katr67 22:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I took a look and as soon as I can consult my copy of the Chicago Manual of Style, (and heck, the MLA and AP too) I think I'm going to go with the rename. Generally what I've been taught is that when referring to positions and titles generically, they aren't capitalized. Thus, even without the rename, "Oregon state treasurers" wouldn't be capitalized, because they can't all be the Oregon State Treasurer at the same time. Which reminds me, I should see about Oregon Coast, in which we discussed a similar issue long ago... Katr67 23:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for thinking it over. I think you're right…mostly, but have another thought. Supporting your notion is this: I think if someone wrote about "the governors of western states," for instance, it would be lower case; multiple people holding offices with similar names. However, if the title does not dictate the article title, I think it goes further than just capitalization: it should be "Treasurers of Oregon" or "Oregon treasurers." Everyone knows Oregon is a state, and it's plenty obvious that the treasurer of the bridge club somewhere in Oregon would not belong in this category. Hm. Still thinking. -Pete 23:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. So where were we? Oh yeah... My brain hurts. Katr67 05:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Rawr
Yeah. So I just got back from taking pictures of some of the buildings on the UO campus. I plugged my camera into the computer and realized that there was as smudge on the lens. Bah! I guess I know what I'll be doing *tomorrow* afternoon. akendall (talk) 00:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ha! I beat that nasty little smudge. I had some time, so I went back to campus and snapped some shots of the buildings. Check them out on Commons here or on the first of my many articles on UO buildings at Lillis Business Complex. Yay! akendall (talk) 06:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Rock on! These are great. Please replace my crappy museum and library pics with some of yours! Katr67 07:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Lake Creek, Oregon
I have started a page on Lake Creek, Oregon, noting that I have not forgotten about the official spelling. However, I spent lots of gas money and door knocking time to find out that the locals have no clue how the name got in the system as one word. I have sent an email to GNIS for correction. The page itself is still stubby for now, but please view the comment I left at Talk:Lake Creek, Oregon. Thanks. Zab 17:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Legislative initiative
Hi- I started a list of people who've helped and may be interested in helping at the page about getting works of the Oregon government into the public domain. Added your name - hope you're still willing to help! -Pete 20:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello and WP:OR stuff
Hey there,

I did snag the flag from you, I thought it was kinda cool. Being from Oregon I had to keep the Jefferson and Cascadia flags on there as well. I am interested in the evaluation stuff, so I'm trying to figure out how to get it to work. It looks like there are not to many articles that are even tagged as actually part of the project; either that or the wiki server is slow in processing the info. Once I get it all figured out I'll post it on the talk page and add an assessment page as well. I haven't yet joined the project officially, I briefly looked, but it didn't jump out at me. I'll look around a little more and see if I can find it. Theophilus75 18:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, there are several thousand tagged articles, and we are adding more all the time. See Category:WikiProject Oregon and User:AlexNewArtBot/OregonList. This is WP:OR jumping out at you: WikiProject Oregon<-Join me! Join me! :) Katr67 18:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's showing more now, it just took a while for the system to populate the page...and I'll get joined up on the project after I get back from lunch (leaving right now). Theophilus75 19:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Fern Ridge Reservoir
Thats the plan! My parents live out there, so I have a couple of photo projects now because of Wikipedia ;) - Mazakar 17:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I am done working on it now, I am at work, so i don't have a lot of time to edit or look up stuff... i was just tired of that being a dead link everywhere! :) I haven't really gone bird watching out there... I personally have never seen a pelican out there... but i will probably grab my mom and get her to walk around with me... She's usually down for watching birds! Mazakar 18:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Looks good.

The long project at work is finally winding down... hopefully I'll be able to resume a higher level of contribution to Wikipedia in the near future. I hadn't written a new article for months it seems :(.

Anyway, TTYL.

--EngineerScotty 17:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your editing
Thank you for your editing. My kids are excited to see this new content about Portland area railroading up on Wikipedia.

Information about Samtrak seems to be not easily accessible on the web. I'll look into books and newspaper articles that discuss it next. Is there a time limit for citing material that I need to be careful about?

PerlDreamer 05:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, glad I could help. I wikified it this morning too. There's not really a time limit. Sometimes if an article seems to be about something that isn't notable and it sits there for a long time (or a short time depending on who runs across it), an editor may decide to propose the article's deletion, which process it's too early for me to explain without coffee. :) I wouldn't worry about it too much--I've got the article on my watchlist and I can see that its a notable piece of local history, so I would contest any deletion efforts. Getting good citations up as soon as you can would be helpful though. OK, gotta go get that coffee. Happy editing! Katr67 13:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Go for it
Feel free to jump in, I got through about M or N on the cities, so maybe you could hit the non-city communities (I don't know how many they are). Make sure to thourgouhly read through every last bit of info and compare to the official grading scale and don't go too fast, and don't trust your judgment! ;) Aboutmovies 18:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * They're all stubs, and none of them are at all important. I know, 'cos I wrote most of 'em. :P Advice heeded. Talk to ya later, Katr67 18:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I finished the following categories from Category:Settlements in Oregon: Cities in Oregon, Defunct Cities in Oregon, Ghost towns, Metro areas, company towns, and all neighboorhoods except Portland's. That's all for me tonight, off to my anniversery dinner. Aboutmovies 00:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Yay. Sorry, yesterday I had to catch up on my sleep. Happy anniversary! Katr67 14:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Nelscot Reef Oregon
Hey there, could you do me a favor and check this one out? I put a WP:ORE tag on it when it was created. Someone else speddy tagged it, and they're probably right since it's completely unsourced, but do you think there's anything there worth saving? Thanks. -- Finngall  talk  21:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, really? What's her ID?  Thanks again. -- Finngall   talk  22:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Ha!
I saw you at Henry Alley - we were both trying to link the Clark Honors College, but the database was really lagging, so that just left me confused. =P a  kendall  17:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, speaking of which, do you think Robert D. Clark Honors College is still a stub? How would I know? a  kendall  18:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Oops. Hey I'm still in the middle of cleaning up the Henry Alley article, just so ya know. No the Clark Honors college article looks good. I think there's something somewhere about word count, but I haven't been able to find an exact criterion. I usually go by common sense. You might want to slap an expand on it instead if you think there is more to be added. Happy editing! Katr67 18:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops, wrong section on Thomas Condon. I picked up Sheldon's History of University of Oregon at the library yesterday, and now I'm all anxious to add info to some of the relevant articles. =) a  kendall  21:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

No worries. I started it by being sloppy about my refs. Please do add to Condon, I started a stub because I was surprised he started life as a redirect, but there's a lot more to be said about him. Cheers! Katr67 21:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I like the picture too - he looks sufficiently crazy. =) a  kendall  21:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey! I have another question that you might be able to answer...can I (and if so how) cite a thesis from a student at the UO that's about UO history? It was published in 1904 and is in the UO Library's Special Collections and Archives. I was going to go check it out, but I was wondering what info I needed to cite it on here. This is a link to the item's entry in the UO Library catalog. Thanks! a  kendall  21:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

He does look a little like Rasputin, doesn't he? Check out WP:CITET. There's a cite paper template for citing theses, so they must be fair game. Katr67 21:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Robert W. Lundeen
Good job salvaging the article. Yes, he needs to be added to the list of (Oregon State, not UO! :P) alumni. I recently went through every name on "what links here" to the OSU page and added an alumni/faculty category if appropriate, resulting in there being tons more that I need to add to the lists that I just haven't gotten around to doing yet. One question I had about this guy is if he should be in Category:Oregon State University faculty. It says he "serves on the advisory board for the OSU College of Engineering" but I'm not sure if that is faculty or not. Any idea? VegaDark (talk) 22:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Script
Yes, I did miss the other. No permission needed, just copy the script per the instructions and you are good to go. Once you get it running let me know if you have any questions. The application will appear when you are on the article's page at the top, select the importance rating and WPOR if it isn't the default, then press the stub/start/B/GA/A/FA. It will then take you to the talk page in preview mode with the values entered and an auto edit summary. Aboutmovies 22:42, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Lost Creek Bridge
I was surprised you hadn't already gone through it, but feel free to poke fun at Lost Creek Bridge. I got the article started yesterday. Zab 17:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I just noticed it this morning and added it to my watchlist. :) I think I'm going to whip up a list of Oregon covered bridges this weekend. I'm trying really had to get some real work done today though. :P Katr67 17:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Use of your cool links
You shot me a warning several months back, which I missed, as I've been moving to a new life in Christmas Valley, Oregon from Southern California. I had just clipped and not had a chance to tweak before I was offline for several months. I found your comment today, which jogged my memory of having not finished that edit, and made several adjustments on my user page, to personalize what I borrowed from you. Hopefully what remains is acceptable to you. If no, or there's anything else you prefer I not use, or lay out differently, please let me know and I will refine further. I apologize for the misunderstanding and trust that all is well with you. Duff 06:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

don't need tildes on edit summaries
Thanks - I didn't know that.

Paul —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulburnett (talk • contribs) 16:14, May 29, 2007 }


 * You're welcome. You still need to sign talk pages though. :) Katr67 17:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Lists
See User talk:Sprkee, then lets move the discussion to the assessment talk page. Aboutmovies 19:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Capitol
I'm finished adding text to the Oregon State Capitol, so if you could take look and do some copyediting/wikifying that would be great. Plus the opening paragraph needs to be expanded to be a better summary than what it is now. I have a sketch of the first building that I'm going to see about the copyright status of, then see about adding it to that section. Thanks. Aboutmovies 02:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I worked on the intro and did some wikignoming. I'll be back to do more soon. I can think of some more info to add as well. Katr67 05:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Good job changing the photo--I was dubious about the copyright tag on the other one as well. Katr67 19:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

RE: your comments
Heya, I have been here before I recognize your user-page, though rudely I'm afraid I can't remember under what circumstances! See you about SGGH speak! 19:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have re-written the passages other than the "services" one which a) seems to duplicate info from the above sections and b) seems to have been written free hand so is probably not a copyvio problem. I don't want to change it anyway because all this interference must be disheartening Tiptoety greatly as a new user, and I don't want to scare him off. The copyright issues have been removed so I suggest we can allow him to bump his way along without us watching over him, which as I've mentioned must be disheartening and annoying. What 'ya think? SGGH speak! 19:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries, I might observe from afar but as I said, don't want to crowd him. Wikipedia users need a near perfect start these days to get off to becoming good editors don't you think? A DYK on my first article got me going. SGGH speak! 19:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Willson
Oh sure, make me look stupid. ;-) --Sprkee 23:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah, what's stupid is that we don't have an article on him yet! :P Katr67 23:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well get goin'! See, the fact that I didn't go to 4th grade in Oregon shows itself in embarrassing ways... --Sprkee 23:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Heck, I never heard of him either until I moved to Salem. I seem to recall 4th grade was all about the bicentennial and Lewis and Clark... Katr67 23:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That was funny, I must have been writing my Hines comment just as you were fixing the article. BTW, I had a trip to the American Freedom Train in 5th grade. We're clearly too old to be wikiing.--Sprkee 20:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Too weird, I just read that the engine that pulled the FT, the Southern Pacific 4449 is now in Portland. Who knew. Could be an actual train-related WPOR article, though... --Sprkee 20:08, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict of course) LOL That was funny. I have fond memories of the Freedom Train as well. (And yeah, I was going to mention the 4449 but I figured since you read the article you already knew that!) PS: Don't worry, old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill... Katr67 20:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Hines and the tale of the Rambot
So yeah, Pete, it turns out Hines is really interesting--a company-built town as you can read in the links I added. Alas, I didn't have time to add that info to the article. The naming pattern seems to be Eastern Oregon: things are named after railroad, timber and cattle company execs, and Western Oregon: pioneers. Which brings us to User:Rambot. Back in the mists of time, Rambot used the 2000 census data to produce articles on all the settlements that had a census presence, which is why the demog and geog sections are all pretty much the same. The geog section seems to be where people stick additional info for some reason. If they don't make a line break between the new info and the old, it can go unnoticed for years... Katr67 20:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * So very good to know, thanks for following up on that. This might be a good thing to explain at WP:ORE at some point, it makes it clear what kind of editing tasks might be needed on underloved geographic locations.
 * Now, if I could only find me a RAMBOT to autofill Portland neighborhood infoboxen… -Pete 02:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

This means?
not a stub, rm parent category......what category did u rm MCSO SAR from? -T Van Wormer 00:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you know how to check the "diffs" on a page? For example: on the MCSOSAR page, after you've clicked on the history tab, click on "(last)" to the left of my name to see what I changed. "Not a stub" means that the article is longer than a stub, so it doesn't need a stub tag. Stub tags are a way of keeping track of articles that need to be expanded. "Rm parent category" means that I took the article out of Category:Oregon because that category is too general and it is already in a subcategory of Category:Oregon. Hope that helps! Katr67 00:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Cone cow
Have you seen what has been going on at cone cow lately? Zab 06:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ohhhhhnooooo! Poor cone cow! 14:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Monte Ne
Hello, I'm needing some info or support for an article about a place listed on the National Register of Historic Places that I've been working on. It's a place called Monte Ne which was a health resort of sorts run by an eccentric bimetallisms named William Coin Harvey in the early twentieth century. I've put a lot of time into the article and now I'm trying to get it featured, so if you wouldn't mind looking it over and giving me some criticism or support I would really appreciate. Also I've asked a few other users for there help and placed this exact same message on their discussion page. This was just so I wouldn't have to type it again, I'm not trying to spam your talk page. If you have any questions please feel free to leave me a message or email me. Thanks so much! --The_stuart 21:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hewlett-Packard
I have raised some concern about the controversy section of the Hewlett-Packard article, and having noted that you have shown interest in previous talk page discussions on this topic would invite you to input at []. thanks Key lay 31 hablame 23:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for thinking of me, but I was really only interested in the discussion about the WikiProject Oregon tag. Katr67 23:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. Have a great day. Key lay 31 hablame 00:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Lake Creek, again
The saga continues! GNIS manager told me in an email that basically my facts were useless (and all those pictures I took) because the information is available on wikipedia!!! I guess he thinks that I downloaded the pictures from wikipedia to show to him, and we all know the unfortunate rap WP has going for it.

Instead of responding, I drafted a letter to one of our county commissioners. This one is is a bit better written and armed with much more solid information, facts, and figures. Plus, I took the time to add up the cost of changing all those signs and give him sources on that. I will present the letter in class tomorrow to get some proofing before mailing it.

What I am stuck on is the post office problem... It seems that a rumor is going around that Lake Creek is thinking about another post office out there (property is getting divided and snatched up more often lately), but I can't find anything to confirm it. Also, I can't find the year the post office closed before.

Field research is planned, but who would keep such records? The historical societies are difficult for me to accept as reference not because of potential mis-information, but because I can only seem to verify the source by driving to said town and seeing the stuff for myself. I can't help but thinking that a decent earthquake or brush fire will institute a form of linkrot for hard citations. /me laments about something more accessible... Zab 12:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, that is too funny about the pictures being on Wikipedia. Is its reputation really that bad out there? You should set the record straight with the GNIS guy, if not for results, at least to clear your name. Do you have a human interest or history type columnist in the paper down there? Maybe you could interest someone in doing a story on it. Not as exciting as Nimrod, but you never know... Good luck! Katr67 14:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Good idea with the reporter. I was toying with the idea of writing to the editorial, but I am not all that great of a writer.  I'll poke through a few articles in the local paper and see who is into such things.  As for WP reputation: the general consensus around here is "avoid wikipedia" because anybody can edit the articles, and therefore what you read may be false.  To those types, I resort to this argument, as it basically sums up how I feel.  When I say consensus, I mean from these people, which because of relative superiority concerns, I don't argue too heavily anyway.


 * Also, I may have spoke too soon on GNIS. I received a second email tonight that was a bit more satisfying, as it said that it was still under investigation, and it was courtesy-copied to like 3 other people.  I will carefully respond tomorrow. Zab 03:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

That sounds promising, I'll be interested to hear what they have to say. Katr67 03:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Timesbold
Hey there, I understand why you nominated the article for speedy deletion, although I was working on it. Before I could add it had already been deleted! Can it be undeleted or would it be wise(r) to create a new, better, more informative article? :) Cheers --> user:Sevenplusone 15:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah I agree, to be honest the article was a bit rubbish and was did in about 10 minutes! I'll take your advise and create a new article from scratch, once I feel I've done enough here. I'll start cleaning up Whip (folk band) as well. Thanks for the advice! --> user:Sevenplusone 22:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC) 


 * Cool. And BTW, I love the expression, "a bit rubbish". Americans should say that more. Katr67 22:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Romary
After reading her obit in today's O (which is not readable on their website, grr...) I expanded the Janice Romary article and added a WPOR tag. It's a edge case since she didn't grow up here, but from the obits, she has lots of family here and seems to have been in OR a while. Anyway, since she was a famous fencer, I thought you might want to take a peek. --Sprkee 18:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I get the daily Zero now too, so I'll check it out there. Darned Internets just aren't good for everything, unfortunately. Now that Twisted86 is done with school, bicycle rides and fencing tournaments, maybe I can use this article to lure him back to the wiki...Mwahaha! Katr67 18:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Cyclecide page
Thanks for cleaning up the Cyclecide page! That was educational for me, as that was the first page I every made from scratch. Your illustrating wiki technique with an article I am familiar with really helped. Rururudy 03:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. Hey and FYI be sure to read about conflict of interest since you are involved with the group. There are a few more things that need to be done, and I was hoping to find some links to go with "converted school bus" and "carnival ride" and stuff like that. Also the link I made to SF Weekly needs to be fixed. Cheers, Katr67 04:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to let the article go and have other people edit it. There were some links to it, so I thought I put up an outline -- but that would lead to a page being deleted if there was not enough content, etc....  I'm focusing on C.h.u.n.k. 666 and some other groups now. Rururudy 00:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Mark Rothko
I was going to do M on the User:AlexNewArtBot/OregonList list before you nabbed it, and I happened to notice earlier for the first time that Mark Rothko had a Portland connection...it took me a long time to notice it in that dense article, so I just wondered if you missed it since you didn't add him to WPOR. We need more famous artists...and fencers, of course... --Sprkee 04:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I wasn't convinced that Rothko had enough Oregon cred to be included. Do you think he does? Katr67 04:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Besides, we get Ginger Rogers--she's loaded with Oregon cred. Katr67 04:17, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Emigrated to Portland, graduated from Lincoln, first art show at the Portland Museum...I dunno, I was swayed, but perhaps because I had no idea of any connection before. C'mon, he kicks Ginger's butt backwards, in high heels! But YMMV. --Sprkee 04:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah, first art show at PAM, I didn't see that. It *is* a dense article. OK, I'm convinced. He's got more cred than yer average Trail Blazer, anyway. Katr67 04:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool. Weird, I could have sworn *I* wikilinked Portland Art Museum in that article, but the history shows you did it. Bizarre edit collision perhaps... --Sprkee 05:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

State of Oregon
The State of Oregon is the official and legal name of state, not just the government of Oregon. The other 49 official state names all redirect to the main article about the state. --Buaidh 04:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, they redirect there because you made it that way... Katr67 05:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Negative. They were redirected before I got here. --Buaidh 13:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

"The City of Beaverton is located in the State of Oregon." --Buaidh 19:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry I assumed you were the one who made the initial redirects, but I'm not sure what point you are trying to make by posting this single sentence here? Personally I would rewrite this to say "Beaverton is a city in the U.S. state of Oregon", which is consistent with most of the U.S. city articles. Like many people, I disagree with your "State of" edits. Since you seem bent on having your way, however, go ahead and revert my redirect, but I request that you also take care of everything that is linked to State of Oregon, which generally, when referred to in an article, is referring to the Government of Oregon, and not the literal physical state of Oregon. Please direct any further inquiries about this issue to the WikiProject Oregon talk page, or better yet, the appropriate national WikiProject or other public Wikipedia policy talk page. I'd prefer not to discuss the matter on this page any further, as I find the whole matter irritating, and would rather not tempt incivility. I also think it would be better if other people had a chance to weigh in, lest it look like I am speaking for the entire state and/or WikiProject. Thanks. Katr67 20:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

This isn't a big deal for me, but I do a lot of historical and legislative research and I encounter this issue repeatedly. You understand the nuances, but most people do not. I won't do anything significant unless I run it past WikiProject Oregon. Thanks for your indulgence. --Buaidh 23:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Oregon and whatnot
Actually, I just spent a few days in Oregon on my way down the coast, so just had time to take a few pics of places I was. I just put a cute one in McCloud River Railroad, and I'm gonna throw one in Illinois River (Oregon) here in a second. I've never gone to the fair, but I definitely have friends that go. Cheers! Murderbike 17:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit collisions
From what I've experienced multiple times when placing speedy tags, here's what happens: If two editors make the exact same edit to the same page, the first one to save the change get the "credit" for the edit, but the second one gets no notice of edit conflict or any error message. The redundant edit is not noted in the history, but the page goes into the second user's watchlist just as if s/he made a normal, successful edit. Hope this helps. Take care. -- Finngall  talk  18:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Romantic compatibility

 * post moved from unused talk page User talk:Katr67/About me

What the hell! - you deleted one of my pages yesterday calling it "blatant advertising". Umm - just because something has a commercial component does not make any reference to it a damn commercial. In fact - it was based on substantial psychological research and also represents a contribution to that field. I think you need to take a serious chill pill!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cabbagehead310 (talk • contribs) 07:39, June 8, 2007

User:ForestH2/Userpage/Stanford Sierra Camp
helpme

I simply want to put    around the stub and category on the above page (to get them out of the accompanying categories), but is fully protected (for sockpuppetry?) and the user is also blocked, so I cannot request the user take care of it. If you could direct me to the proper venue for such requests I would be grateful. In taking care of a similar issue I have also noticed that User:Onceuponastar pretty much has an article posted on his/her userpage. Doesn't this need to be userfied? Katr67 17:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The above user is a indef. blocked sockpuppet. Also, due to Sandbox, they can use their page as a sandbox in order to correct typos/grammar, etc.  Miranda  18:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

So are you saying that the categories on the blocked user's page cannot be removed. The categorization rules do say to get the cats out of the sandbox... Katr67 18:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Taken care of... :) &mdash; Scientizzle 21:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Awesome, thank you! Katr67 21:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI, I was busy dealing with a sockpuppet, and couldn't respond to you quickly. I have requested the page to be deleted on IRC, and it has been taken care of.  Miranda  22:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Find-a-grave pics
In my exhuming of the old dead guys, I've found that the Find-a-Grave folks tend to have some pretty cool pics of some of the old Reps that I haven't been able to find anywhere else. For example: here, here, and here. Clearly these are all old enough pictures to meet the copyright expiration deadline, but they don't have any source attribution. Do you have any ideas or thoughts on whether I should use them, and if so, how to source them? Is Find-A-Grave a reputable source? --Sprkee 19:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think you should use them. It looks like Find-A-Grave is kind of like a wiki, but without the concern about copyright (?) so any ol' person can upload an unattibuted image. As you have seen by the recent spate of bot-driven image removal, I doubt "looks old enough" is a good enough rationale? Though I have uploaded a few images from the Oregon Historical Society of photographs of people who died before 1923, with a link to the OHS page I found them, that's still pretty iffy and I expect at some point a zealous bot will do away with those images too... This stuff gives me a headache, frankly, so I usually don't bother with images. Katr67 19:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was erring on the side of caution as well. Oh well, the original source must exist somewhere, so maybe I'll find them eventually. There is a startup company I heard about that developing what is essentially a Google for pictures--you search for images that look like a target image you give it. Pretty cool. Too bad I can't remember the name of the co. so I can get rich off the IPO. --Sprkee 19:47, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

William D. Hare
Small request when you have time with the book. If you check the family sectionof the above you will find a Joseph C. who if I recall is the namesake for Hare's Canyon at Stub Stewart. I'm trying to expand out the Hare's as one son served for quite some time in the legislature (1915-1925ish) and I'm guessing grandson served in the 1950s. Plus there is a Hare Field in Hillsboro. Again, no rush. Thanks. Aboutmovies 00:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey Am, I'll be away from the computer starting about an hour from now until Monday morning, but if I get a couple minutes before I leave I'll check it out. Keep an eye on the wiki for me! Katr67 00:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll try my best. Aboutmovies 01:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Briefly, yes, there were a couple RR stations named "Hare" or "Hares" and Hares Canyon (ostensibly--it doesn't come right out and say so) named for Joseph C., I imagine the airfield is too...also a p.o. in Curry Co. for a Joseph Hare, not sure if he's the same guy, and then there's a p.o. in Clatsop Co. named for James W. Katr67 01:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Response to issues raised in article page/discussion page placement of sort tags and Categories
To retain the thread, I responded on my talk page regarding the issues involved in categorizing and alphabetizing the myriad entries on discussion pages. Please feel free, if you would find it of any use, to transfer the thread to your own talk page. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk) 00:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

refactor
Hey- never got a sense if you're OK with the refactoring. I'd like to reinstate my edits, if only the distant Wengi opposes them…but if that's not a good idea, please let me know! (Wouldn't it be nice to have archives we could easily scan through, as we work toward FA?) -Pete 08:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

deputization
Wail shucks, sheriff, you just let me know which varmints you need me to head off at the pass. Meantime, let's rustle up some vittles and git some shut-eye. --Sprkee 23:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Second opinion requested
I responded to a request regarding what to do about a spammy-looking external link in Leadership. The requestor deleted it and was reverted. I agreed that it didn't look kosher and removed it with an explanation in the edit summary, and now it's been returned along with a lengthy justification for inclusion. Since it's a little out of my area of expertise, I'd like both your impression about the link itself, and about how far I should push the issue. Thanks. -- Finngall  talk  15:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, for now I just took care of the glaring formatting issues...the link looks dubious, I'd whack 'em. WP:SPAM would certainly delete it again. I bet that article is a magnet for such things, I'm trying to find out how to link to dmoz instead... BRB Katr67 15:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * OK I linked to dmoz. That should be plenty of Leadership links for everyone. Any replacement of the other link is the action of a linkspammer. Katr67 15:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. I'll continue to keep an eye on it.  -- Finngall   talk  15:55, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. I gave the anon a spam warning. I've really got to work on my essay about "Wah you deleted my link". See also the "spammity spam" section on my user page for the guidelines I use most often in response. Katr67 15:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Natural history of Oregon
Yes, it will stay. Anything that fits in the Natural history article content would stay in/be added to Natural history categories. Thanks Hmains 18:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Cap
Yes, I'm done I think I've added as much as I can. So yes, please wikiedit and I'm thinking straight to FA nom since GA isn't needed, what do you think? As to asher, I didn't know what it meant either, but I figured someone would eventually figure it out. Aboutmovies 21:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Since you said you started with working-in the Salem Online History source I'll let you finish. Did you figure out your other items in question? With the two new redlinks, do you think they will have articles? I'm planning on putting together the Ter Leg article this week to remove that one, but wasn't sure about those two as the FA people might complain.
 * As to the article about the names, feel to get more opinions. That was sort of what I was getting at since I have a low opinion of lists to begin with. But I did look it over (linked one article) and it looks good. Can't say I agree with some of the inclusions the person in charge of the project came up with, and dang that is still quite a few articles to be written. I would suggest adding the bit about the names spelling out something (I think it was the artist's intials) along with the name of the person in charge of the project. Now back to old dead guys. Aboutmovies 05:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, just got back from a weekend away from the computer (darn summertime fun sure eats into the editing time). Yeah those two redlinked guys merit articles, I think, I was planning to write articles on them. One was the editor of the Bend Bulletin and one was...I forget, but of decent local notability. Of course I'll probably also have to write an article on the Bulletin, *sigh*. More later after I catch up. I hope the vandals were all at the beach... Latr, Katr 14:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * One thing I noticed and keep forgetting to mention, should we change the subsections to First capitol, Second capitol, Third capitol since the First state capitol was the territorial capitol? Aboutmovies 19:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you noticed my new changes, let me know if the 3 stories thing works better. Also, with you addition about the columns in the creek, was that supposed to be footnote only? It just looks odd to have a footnote with acn on it. Aboutmovies 00:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll check it out, gotta run now. Yes, footnote only, since it's kind of a tangent from the main topic of what's on the capitol grounds, though if you can find a way to work it into the article, please do. The cn is because it's original research--I can tell they're the same columns but haven't found a source to back this up. Maybe at the historical society... You can take it out if you want, it's sort of COI on my part, but I couldn't help it. Go back behind the Safeway some time and see for yourself! :) Latr, Katr 02:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Apostrophe protection
Hey there, Katr67, (fellow idealist!),

I am glad that you appreciate my misplaced apostrophe-related travail! Thanks for the comment!

Best wishes,

--It&#39;s-is-not-a-genitive 22:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Colton, Oregon
Thank you for your editing on my additions to the Colton, Oregon page. You are teaching me more about content standards for the wikipedia project. Yes, I live in Colton so I did put what is apparently termed "original research" in the page, so it is correctly flagged. Colton does not seem to be very well documented though, so I'm in a similar quandary as the one described in your Three Rivers talk comment. -- Cheers! James opalmirror 16:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Blossoming Lotus
Aloha. I don't know if you have ever visited the Blossoming Lotus in Portland, but if you are able, do you think there is any chance you can take a few photos and upload them to the site? Thanks for your help! &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 02:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
For helping spruce up an article on a mostly unsung pioneer. (Florence Augusta Merriam Bailey) Shyamal 15:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there any item on that article that specifically needs verification? If so please place a or  inpreference to the request for sources. The external links and refs currently appears to me to corroborate all the facts mentioned. Shyamal 15:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Keizertimes
You are right, it is all one word. I worked for the Keizertimes for three years and every week I would see someone refer to the paper as Keizer Times or KeizerTimes. Thanks for the correction! I'm thinking about how to expand the Keizertimes site from a stub but I haven't been there since 03 so I don't know how much I can help.

cat in my sandbox!
Thanks! I didn't even think about it. Murderbike 21:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Just one of those little things I notice. (And it yields just about the best edit summary ever.) There's a rule about it somewhere... The article looks good, but I don't know anything about the Yavapai (except maybe they were mentioned in passing in a Tony Hillerman mystery?) That Captain Brown was a nasty piece of work, to say the least. As far as language pitfalls, could "mouthy" and "rejected" (as in fish) be construed negatively? Latr, Katr 21:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

You think Captain Brown was bad, check out George Crook, his commanding officer. ugh. as to "mouthy" and "rejected", mouth was the translation I got for that word, but i'm not one to say that books are always right, or polite. "Rejected" seems appropriate, because it was a definite conscious rejection. I read a story about members of another tribe they were trading with putting ground fish meal in with corn meal as a prank, making the victims sick. But if you can think of better wording, shoot it my way! Murderbike 23:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

boo-boos
Don't worry, I knew it wasn't you. I'm still upset over the TA who marked up an incorrect usage of "it's" in a college paper. She wrote a whole long condescending diatribe about it. I swear, it wasn't that way when I typed it on my IBM Selectric! --Sprkee 16:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Lighthouse
You are right! It is indeed Umpqua River lighthouse. On the back of my photo (which was taken in 1991), I had simply written "Pacific Seacoast lighthouse near Florence, OR". A closer examination (including using a magnifying glass to read a small sign cropped out of the Wikipedia image), positively identifies it as the Umpqua lighthouse. Many thanks for pointing this out. Regards, Jim   JGHowes  talk  -  18:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Idaho Stubs etc.
I've been copy and pasting Idaho History related stuff & starting working on a stub, which you edited. My questions are many: 1) I checked the IdahoProjects and didn't see you listed there, but saw you listed on the Oregon WP. How did you see it added so quickly? Were you looking at the "Recently Added" page? 2) You changed our to its, which I understand, but I added the vision of an organization. The mission isn't its, the mision is our. Should I just put that in quotes? 3) You removed a link to an email, should that go under external links instead? 4) Did this pop up on WikiSpam project? 5) If you're going to look over every last Idaho entry, as well as every last Oregon entry, wouldn't that be something you might add on your user interface?

I know mine isn't very well developed, and it's just wikipedia, but I'd like things to be accurate. I also feel that there maybe is someone in Idaho that might be better suited to concentrate on every single Idaho article.

Either way, I respect you and your mission. Thanks for templating the stub that I started. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avecchione (talk • contribs) 19:01, June 27, 2007


 * Hi Avecchione
 * 1) I noticed you added a link to Oregon Trail, which I monitor because every time a school in the Northwest does its unit on that, the article gets vandalized heavily. (See Help:Watchlist) I saw you were new, so I welcomed you. Then I checked your edit history to see what else you were working on and it looked good so I did some copyediting on the history society article to bring it up to our style standards. This might seem kind of nosy, but since Wikipedia is a community, that's standard procedure around here. Is there a concern I shouldn't be working on Idaho-related subjects?
 * 2) Encyclopedia articles need to be written in the third person. I checked the change I made and I don't understand why it needs to be "our". "Its" refers to the state's cultural heritage not to the mission.
 * 3) Since Wikipedia isn't here to help provide an interface for the ISHS, links to e-mail contacts aren't appropriate in any part of the article. Linking to the page that discusses the archives in the external links section may be appropriate. See WP:EL for more details.
 * 4) No, why should it? See answer to 1, above. Things like Idaho State Historical Society don't really "pop up" on the Spam Wikiproject, at least not in an automated way, but users will bring things they think are spam to the attention of the project. People adding links will sometimes arouse the suspicion of various editors, however. I didn't think the link you added at Oregon Trail was spam, but another user did. So now there is a thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam discussing some of the additions you and some other editors have made. 20:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) I'm not sure what you are asking? Are you asking how to add things to your watchlist or are you questioning my right to edit articles about Idaho? I'll clarify my answer once you give me more information. What do you mean by "every last Idaho entry"?


 * Since your further text seems to indicate (and I hope I'm not assuming bad faith here) that you feel I shouldn't be editing articles about Idaho, let me be clear that anybody on Wikipedia can edit any article he or she feels like. We have a policy about ownership of articles, basically meaning that once one saves a page, anybody else can edit it. I happen to focus on Oregon, because that's my "thing", but my edits range far and wide.


 * One more point--since you seem heavily invested in the ISHS article, I'm thinking you might be connected with the organization in some capacity? If so, you might want to take a look at our conflict of interest guidelines, which certainly don't preclude a person from editing an article about something in which s/he is involved, but do point out the potential pitfalls of such edits.


 * If you'd like to contact editors who are better versed in Idaho subjects, be sure to look at WikiProject Idaho. Though I'm not a member, I do tag articles for them from time to time, as a regional favor since there is often overlap between our articles.


 * I hope this helps answer some of your questions. I know there is a lot of policy to get familiar with here, but I hope that doesn't deter you from contributing!


 * P.S. I hope you're not literally copying and pasting things from the Internet, because that may be a violation of our copyright guidelines.


 * Latr, Katr 19:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

List of high schools in Oregon
I disagree. There are some high schools of course that are notable through the Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) guidelines, but a couple "unique" things about a school does not meet those guidelines. I'm sending the List of high schools in Oregon to the Articles for Deletion section. If a school is truly notable, create a page for each one that comes along. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatonka79 (talk • contribs) 23:09, June 27, 2007
 * Fair enough. See you there. Latr, Katr 23:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

OWT
Left a note on the talk page. I still think Low and Start, though close to a B. But remain Low. What do you think? Aboutmovies 21:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, thanks! Latr, Katr 23:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

QBP
Holy cow, how did Quarterback Princess go so long without a WP:ORE tag?? I'm so ashamed. My Helen Hunt fan club membership should be revoked. --Sprkee 23:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Jim Torrey
Since apparently a mayor of a slightly larger city is "obviously" notable, based on my aforementioned smackdown, I'd say Boss Hogg is notable enough. -- Finngall  talk  01:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll make a note of that on the talk page. Latr, Katr 01:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Weird
A little wiki news from beyond the wiki ESPN. Aboutmovies 04:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That is VERY weird. Still, time zones can do funny things to WP entries…I've been fooled before. This will be an interesting one to watch. -Pete 05:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow. That makes my wikistress look like a tropical vacation... Latr, Katr 05:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A more local suicice person Ralph Wilcox. Aboutmovies 15:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hudson Bros. change
Katr67,

Help me a little, I'm still new here. I feel that your edit of the Hudson Bros. page...well, let's say it makes everything more difficult. If you look at the editing I did, you will see that there were huge sections of both the Mark Hudson and the Hudson Bros. article that were the same, verbatim. I eliminated that. Yet, my edit accepted the basic fact that Mark Hudson has a personal history of "more interest" which people might like to read about. Thus, I left in what I left in — or I guess you could say I wrote what I wrote. You have erased half of that.

If accepting the fact that Mark Hudson has a personal history that is more interesting is okay, why can't one leave in the open reference to "more details" and to the article itself? It would seem to follow the logic that a small mention is acceptable, but major duplication isn't "encyclopedic". And it would seem to also support the theory that you are reading here, this paragraph, specifically about Mark Hudson — because he interests you — but about whom more ("the dirt") can be found elsewhere.

If on the other hand you eliminate the "More details can be found at" sentence and link, "because there is another link above" somewhere in the general text, wouldn't it be more logical to just eliminate the entire paragraph on Mark Hudson — "because if you want to read about him, you can hit his wikilink above, that's all that's needed?"

Sorry if this sounds provocative, I am not trying to be obnoxious. But to me, to be honest, the edit you made was not really logical or productive, so I need to know from an experienced Wikiperson: Why?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Jtnet 15:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:EL
As you can see, I've started what will be a rather long reply. My linkfighting has been to keep particular articles, such as ebooks, clean, mostly from commercial spammers. They go away if you warn them & come back a month later under another name. The only thing I can do as an admin that's relevant is block people, but I almost never do.
 * What I can do for the project is work with journal publishers, & I can sometimes get commercial PR people to cooperate & post the right stuff; my feeling is we want them & other commercial people to add stuff, but properly. COI is handled by editing. (I could also go further up for most of them, but I haven't done this for WP yet.) I'll be making some suggestions.
 * As for becoming a librarian are you thinking of UWa, or Emporia? My daughter did a BSSW at UWa & loved the place. DGG 15:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

NRHP Oregon Updates
I can certainly leave the latest revision date, no problem. I've noticed that about a handful of the states lists are maintained on a regular basis. Einbierbitte 16:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Columns
This might work for a cite. Aboutmovies 05:44, 4 July 2007 (UTC) Nevermind, already there. Aboutmovies 05:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

town request
Thanks for the Alfalfa article, hometown of notorious former rep Wes Cooley! There is now only one Oregon town listed as an Oregon congressman's home town that is a redlink: Winchester. Looks like it got sucked into Roseburg at some point. Witnesseth my hand as I herewith formally request that you, O keeper of the great book of McArthur, create such an article forthwith. --Sprkee 18:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the article! Is it really Heman ("I have the power!") and not Herman? I found some hits for Herman with the same bio information. Somebody's got a typo somewhere... --Sprkee 17:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That Lewis, he anticipated everybody's future muck-ups. --Sprkee 18:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

User:PeterKraushaar
Given that we're not talking about a high level of abuse (so far), I wouldn't sic the dogs on him for sockpuppetry at this point, but he should be watched. As far as proving they're the same, even if the edits aren't identical, I think the duck test applies quite well. -- Finngall  talk  22:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

William G. T'Vault
Looks good, and clears up a few redlinks! I'll add some categories, and any info I come accross. Thanks. Aboutmovies 17:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

re: Apiary, Oregon  and VanNatta Forestry
I am VanNatta Forestry. and am based in Apiary. Rvannatta 17:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hudson Bros.
Hi Katr,

I am really beginning to appreciate your comments about good writing style and taking Wikipedia seriously. That Hudson Bros. article is a weird one. The person doing most of the writing is obviously not a style freak, and it's difficult to make some of that stuff even semi-readable. I'm trying. I actually think all that recording information would be easier to digest if it were in tabular form.

As for Mark Hudson, I assume that that bit was a "personal agenda" thing by the original author. There's no other evident reason why one would report the gory details of that episode in extensive detail in both articles. Sorry about the section title link, by the way -- but you (or  I , actually) learn something new every day.

Anyway, I thought I would continue to look for a solution that takes the middle ground. I decided that if Bill Hudson can stay in with a tidbit and a wikilink, I would do the same for Mark. Thus he -- like Bill -- is linked twice in the article, but that seems to be quite common. However, his name is not heading a separate section any more. The tidbit says something about him that is extraordinary and may warrant further reading. I think this is an appropriate solution to the problem.

Although I can understand the arguments for eliminating the bit about Mark entirely (which would of course also apply to Bill), I feel that that might be being "päpstlicher als der Papst" (holier than the Pope), because it reflects more "letter" than "spirit" of the rule. Small bits of information can be expressed in two articles, it's just important that they shouldn't be expressed twice in incredible depth/length. Jtnet 14:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

adding a local dialect pronounciation guide for the word Apiary.
Thanks for the comments. I figured out HTML on my own enoughh to write my own web site from scratch, but one thing I haven't figured out is how to put a pronuniciation guide in. One of the unique things about Apiary, Oregon is that it is not pronounced like the place you keep bees.

instead it is universally locally pronounced A'-pree   but I have no clue how to add this to the page.

Also there must be a way to generate one of thosd 'dot on' maps, but I'm uncertain if they are 'used' for unincorporated communities.

One of my near term goals is to round up a good group of highquality representative photos of the local communities.Rvannatta

Leatherman
Thanks for the heads-up. I think the editor didn't read the article and notice the Leatherman Tool Group in bold in the lead and the "Company Infobox" and realize both are covered in the same article. Aboutmovies 16:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Question...
Hey, have you ever considered an RfA? Your contribs rock (from our modest interactions and a brief skim of your history) so I bet you'd fly pretty readily. It'd allow you to do those pesky page deletions & moves as well (not to mention everything else) but continue your gnome- and ungnome-like activites. Lemme know if you're interested. (I see that you're not entirely sure...) Anyways, if you're willing ('cause you're certainly capable), drop on by. &mdash; Scientizzle 19:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. It's true that if one picks up too much of the sysop load, other contributions dip. I'm trying to pull away from that myself & get back to all the science articles that have gone neglected...The RfA process is stressful (though passing is quite validating). It's kind of like getting your driver's license: it's a bit nerve-wracking, but passing it means your mom won't have to drive you around any more in that ugly minivan. :) (To make the analogy more complete...driver's ed is your contributions; the written test is your answers to the standard questions; the driving test is the answers to the questions that pop up over the course of the RfA's week; and driving by yourself means no more speedy deletion tags or WP:AIV/WP:RM/WP:RFPP requests. Yeah, that's a decent analogy.)


 * If you feel like going for it, I'll be happy to write up a (co-?)nomination (and offer help on your answers to the standard questions). Feel free to contact me here or via email if you want to discuss any of your concerns. And I'll be happy to participate in any future editor review. &mdash; Scientizzle 19:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

spelling
Check out that page's "what links here" entry...I guess I've been neglectful on pages I create thinking of any and all possible misspellings or mistypings... --Sprkee 20:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Opinion out.
Are you from Jackson County, and if so, how long have you lived here?

Don't make representations like that and present them as fact. That is without doubt your opinion. You are entitled to it, but don't try to make a historical fact from it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.80.246.204 (talk • contribs) 23:30, July 19, 2007

Vandal count
oops, my bad. I meant to just put 1. I have corrected it, thanks for pointing that out! Tiptoety 03:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Boones Landing
Welcome back from your break. I hope you are feeling all shiny and new. :-)

I uncovered mention of one time existence of Boones Landing, Oregon and linked to it in Boones Ferry and Wilsonville, Oregon. I looked for a place to put a redlink (to Boones Landing) in the proper index article, but couldn't figure out which would be appropriate: List of ghost towns in the United_States or List of cities and unincorporated communities in Oregon. Thoughts? —EncMstr 07:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I looked it up in good 'ol OGN and it's not mentioned there (meaning there was never a post office by that name, making the community "official") so I think I'd list it under ghost towns... I hope that helps! Katr67 14:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: WikiProject Oregon/Portland
Thanks for thinking about me in regards to this project. It's true, I'm not much of a joiner -- mostly because I find it hard to carry thru with my committments on Wikipedia, despite my best intent (there's just something about Real Life that's always getting in the way...), but also because to cope with WikiStress I try to dial down my emotional investment in Wikipedia. I only mention the last since it appears you had to cope with a bout yourself. -- llywrch 16:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

it's not so bad
40 that is...you'll be fine. Now you're XL!

Hey, I added an article for a sportsguy who is from Eightmile, Oregon, which doesn't appear in the List of cities and unincorporated communities in Oregon, though it shows up in Google Maps and apparently is in That Book (Google Books lets me see excerpts but not enough to cite or write an article). So...hint hint?? --Sprkee 17:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

OSC FA
I think the FA is going to fail since nobody wants to comment on the article. I was hoping some people from all the projects it is technically from would comment, but I guess the CapCities and NRHP folks don't care. I made some changes based on the feedback, let me know how it looks. Aboutmovies 18:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

nested categories
If someone is in a category that is a subcategory of another, you should remove the parent category right? For example, as you've probably seen, I started removing people from Category:People from Oregon if they are already in Category:People from Medford, Oregon, but then I started seeing it in other places. Do you know if there is a policy on this I could cite? --Sprkee 17:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Generally, yes, though it's not writ in stone: WP:CAT. (I think in the example to which you're referring, the person probably just forgot.) On the other hand, as I state on the talk page, I like having members of Category:Cities in Oregon in both the cat and in any city subcat, and so far no one seems to mind. The only reason I can think of to do this for a person is, and I admit this is a bit of a stretch, they happened to be born in some part of Oregon that doesn't have a subcategory, then s/he lived in say, Medford, or wherever, and it seemed really important to make sure s/he was in both cats... Katr67 17:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No, that's a good distinction. I never really liked the "people from" categories for that reason. It's pretty common for someone to be born in someplace quite different than they were from just due to their parents' situation, for example, Erik Sten. I'm not suggesting adding a "people born in" set of categories. Just noting it's a sticky issue. (Hey, I know: let's just add one category: "People born in a different place than you would normally associate them with"). --17:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I was just thinking, if I ran into the situation above, I'd just say the person was from Oregon and leave it at that. I just thought to look up Ken Kesey as an example, and he's not even in a "from Oregon" cat, just Oregon writers and UO alumni. You could say he was from Colorado, or California, or Springfield (where he grew up), or Eugene (with which he is closely associated and where he taught and went to school), or Pleasant Hill, where he lived since the 1960s... Katr67 18:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Binger Hermann
C'mon, I know you saw it. I'm not sure what to do there. Looks like good info but...so much of it, and so uncited... --Sprkee 17:01, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's one of the two dozen windows I have open to have a look at, but right now I'm in the middle of Oregon Shakespeare Festival... patience... Katr67 17:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I wasn't hinting for you to hurry up, I was just wondering what the approach should be. But I look forward to your wise solution. --Sprkee 17:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Two words: Oy vey. *sigh* And what do you think of the changes ot OSF? I'm tempted to do a full revert... Katr67 17:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, I didn't see the extent of that. Yeah, a full replacement of an established article with no regard for the previous article seems way out of bounds to me. Looks like a PR job. This kind of thing will eventually be the death of WP. --Sprkee 17:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Check this out: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdcbalti/BaltimoreColony.htm Maybe we could pull out the genealogical info and excess detail on the Baltimore Colony, and put it on the talk page for now. It could be a separate article, but I don't know how notable it is. --Sprkee 18:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Oregon State Capitol 1943?
Wouldn't the Champoeg meetings have been in 1843? Or did they do something commemorative in 1943? —EncMstr 18:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Aw geeze. Just shoot me now. Or at least take away my SPOGG card... Katr67 18:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

French Prairie
I was adding to the article, and when I went back to fix my mistake I notice the redlink for the railroad. Is it supposed to be Oregon Railway and Navigation Company or maybe just the Oregon Railway Company? Aboutmovies 17:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, but I think it's different, and I recall double checking the name when I typed it--but the McArthurs are not always right. On the other hand there were a lot those little RR companies, and there were lots of mergers and renames in short spans of time during the RR heyday. Note there's also a bit of confusion between the Railway Co. and Oregon Railroad and Navigation Company, which I assumed were the same thing, but I was wrong. I still haven't straightened all that out. I'll do a bit of a search and see if I can find out anything. Isn't someone in WP:ORE a railfan? Thanks for adding to the article, too. Katr67 17:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That's why I didn't just change it, I know there were a lot of RR back then, but I hadn't heard of that one so I thought I'd check. At some point I should be able to take care of some of the redlinks and expand some more on that region now that I discovered my old text book. Aboutmovies 17:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, according to our pal Leslie M. Scott: "The supreme court of the United States held that the Oregonian Railway Company had no power to execute the lease and the Oregon Railway and Navigation Company no power to accept it." Here's the case.  And here's some pictures. That might be right up your alley. A new article, peutêtre? Looks like the Oregonian Co. was local and narrow-guage and the ORNC had a wider scope. Katr67 17:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Mary Ramsey Wood
IF this woman were '120' and proven, I would definitely rate her as of high importance. However...her true age appears to be closer to 97 (based on the 1880 census). With the age claim removed, her significance diminishes, although I agree the article should be kept.Ryoung122 07:59, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, we're quite capable of reassessing the article ourselves. Thanks though. Katr67 15:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Meetup
Right now, I/we haven't picked a spot. that was going to be my next question for whoever shows up. I work in Hillsboro (yes, at that company -- I'm a contractor), & live in NE Portland, so I'm pretty flexible about location. -- llywrch 17:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Willamette University College of Law
Could you take a look and copy edit this article and let me know what you think it might need for GA. I still need to convert the Law journals section to a paragraph, but I want to see if you think anything else is needed. Thanks. Aboutmovies 21:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Glutton for punishment eh? If there's anything left of me after happy hour, I'll see what I can do. I don't think there's a law against drunken editing...yet. Katr67 22:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I'll watch out for the slurred speech and random tangents. Aboutmovies 22:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I do those when I'm sober... Katr67 22:45, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the copyedit. I just finished the journal conversion and expanded the lead. So if you could read those over to make sure they make sense I appreciate it greatly much and stuff. Aboutmovies 19:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't read it for sense yet. I've gotta run, but I'll take another look Sunday night... Katr67 19:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC) Thanks for all the edits and work, and barnstar. I'll put it up for GA now. Aboutmovies 01:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello
Hello Katr67

I am rkmlai from wikipedia.

How are you doing ? I was reviewing your user page history and saw that you are taking exams ?, going to OCF, maybe preping for a midlife crisis ?

My intent to is to offer a friendly hand of inquiry and support. To offer "connection" in a possible time of rockyness. I myself am no longer living at Lost Valley Educational Center though I like the place a lot. I am right now here: http://rkmlai.livejournal.com in Seattle, Washington.

Peace

rkmlai 19:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, that is very sweet of you. I'm not taking exams (I ruled out law school after I got my fill of reading legislation), but I did promise someone I would copy edit his article (see above). Yep, I went to the OCF, had a good time and took some pretty good pictures I need to post to Commons (my secret agenda is to show that OCF isn't entirely about boobs and drugs :). The mid-life crisis thing is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, I actually have one about every 10 years, despite the fact that I'm planning to live to be 120. I've met several people who live or have lived at Lost Valley over the years, and also the folks who used to run the cafe in Dexter. It seems like a really good community. Knowing there are only about three degrees of separation in the Willamette Valley, especially in the counterculture community, I bet we know several people in common! I see you're interested in the White Train too--I didn't go but I have friends who helped stop it and someone who recently unearthed some old photos of the event--I definitely need to try to get copies to put up on here. Thanks for the nice note! Katr67 19:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Er ... what Cafe in Dexter ? Did Lost Valley run a cafe in Dexter ? Must have been before my time (last three years). Or was it just a Cafe run by Dexterians ? What was the name ?

I would be interested in viewing your pictures. Got a link ? You sound happy about the event.

I also have been planning on living to be at least 120. What have I got to lose by setting my sights high ? Keep things in perspective for my self.

I wonder who we do know in common ? :)

My interest in the White Train stems from my researching the Ground Zero newsletters for the timeline to be presented at the upcoming 30 year anniversary GZ event in Bangor, Washington Naval Base this coming weekend. My interest in anti-nuclearism is also as I do Nevada Desert Experience stuff.

If you wish, though this is not a request, I feel like my editing and articles could sometimes use some editting. I invite you, if you wish, to edit anything of mine, such that I might learn better 'editing'.

Thanks for writing me back. I like conversation.

Peace,

rkmlai 00:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

that template
Glad I could give you something to do this morning with my overuse of that silly grave template. I never even considered that it was spam; it just seemed like a cool way to find someone's grave. I could go either way as to whether we keep it or not, regardless of the outcome of the debate. --Sprkee 17:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Riverdale High School
I've moved the articles, and I'm working on restoring and merging the page histories. In the future, instead of using speedy delete tags, you can list uncontroversial move requests at Requested_moves. Thanks.-Andrew c [talk] 20:39, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Big bro sez...
...welcome to middle age. :-) Love ya. -- Finngall   talk  08:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)



Where to find dead famous Oregonians
Hi, Katr67, I just ran across the Find A Grave website and thought you might find it interesting to see who's buried where in Oregon. Check it out (if you haven't already.)

| Find A Grave --DaKine 17:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Happy birthday
Hey! Happy birthday. After I turned 40, life became very interesting and worthwhile. In many ways, the first forty was just the warm up. Take care, —EncMstr 05:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Elsinore Theatre
Hey Katr67 thanks for taking a look at those edits I did on the Elsinore Theatre page. Is it general policy to never allow something on site without 3rd party references? Today is basically my first editing/adding to Wikipedia so I'm not really sure how it works precisely. I can certainly understand how the ghost section was taken off as its hearsay. For the murals shouldn't most of it be left on and the last sentence be struck until a newspaper article on the subject can be found (which isn't likely but I'm hopeful)? I can certainly find references to the murals on various sites. In the history you said "unexplained removal of infobox parameters".. I have no idea what this means! Thanks for your help. --King256 07:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If you check out this link (what we call a "diff" around here) you can see the changes you made. If you didn't mean to remove the fields from the infobox (and even if you did) you should always check your edits by using the show preview button. You will also see you introduced some extra "" s, which I took to be a test edit. That along with your added information of dubious reliability (it's hard to get reliable sources on ghost stories), yes I reverted the lot. We don't "never" allow things without reliable sources but we strongly urge people to provide citations for anything that might be questionable. In your case the entire ghost story part needs to be backed by citations (the part about it looking "noticeably spooky", however, should still be left out as that doesn't seem to fit our policy on neutral point-of-view), and especially the bit about the mural being thought of as demonic, but also the location and appearance of the murals, which, without citations, looks like it could be original research, which is another no-no. If your accidental removal of parts of the article hadn't set off my vandal radar, I might have just attached the tag fact to the parts that needed citations, which allows the info to stand but lets people know the information has not been verified. We do have a lot of rules, but hopefully you will read up on some of the links provided and not get discouraged. Let me know if you want to try again and I'll see if I can't help get your additions up to standard if needed. And be sure to check out WikiProject Oregon if you're into Oregon stuff. Happy editing! Katr67 13:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Oregon protected areas template
Thanks for the compliment! I've just about got that template to the point where I'll throw it into production and alert other editors to have a go at it - just have to finish the tedious copying-across of the Oregon state parks, and wrap up the ODFW section. (P.S. Happy birthday!)  Ipoellet 05:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Orenco
Dear Katr67,

Would be possible for you to review the information about Orenco? The reason of the question I'm posing here is, Orenco is still alive. The geographical area where Old Orenco Townsite is located is not actualy where Orenco Station was built. Mostly of people from the area do not know on the location nor the history. Actualy Orenco Station was built in the farming area of Oregon Nursery Company, not where it was the real nursery town. On the buildings still remaining, in the core of Old Orenco Townsite there are 8 buildings remaining, listed on Washington County Cultural Resources and later listed with National Register of Historic Places.

The area is still lined with centenary Elm trees, as there are as well few fruit trees from Orenco Stock in the public right-of-way. Orenco was famous by its variety and quality stock. Apples were only one of the fruits within their product line, the plums are as well very famous world wide, as a great variety of plants, fruits, trees, etc.

I just would like to help on clarifications, if you do not mind, because we are losing this area in a very high speed and as a property owner within the area, I believe the community at large should be aware that they can help to save what still remains as historic significant to Oregon History. Any help is very welcome and if you do not mind to have some help on the page here at the Wikipedia, you will be welcome to have a lot of additional information to make sure the history will remain alive and the importance of Orenco in Oregon History will be well promoted.

Thank you very much for your kind attention and cooperation, Rgds, EricaDee —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ermdee (talk • contribs) 14:14, August 12, 2007


 * Hi Erica, welcome to Wikipedia. I actually know very little about the Orenco area. I added some information I found in Oregon Geographic Names and I tend to copyedit Oregon articles in general, and I am the most recent person to edit the article, that's all. If you could quote the parts that you think need review on the article's talk page, that would help. (If you mean the statement about Orenco Station--I don't believe the article is saying that Orenco Station=Old Town Orenco, it is saying that Orenco Station is in the area that the town of Orenco formerly occupied.) I can't really do much more than tag the unclear parts with fact tags. You would be much better off working with Aboutmovies (who recently added a great deal of well-sourced information to the article), and N8lewis, who I think is the one who added the bit about the old buildings. I don't mind if you help because none of us own the article and you are welcome to add cited information from reliable sources (historic books, etc. versus original research). The information about the trees, etc. is very interesting so please feel free to add to the article. I'm very sympathetic to your cause, but just a gentle reminder that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so be sure any additions you make come from a neutral point of view. If you have further questions about the Orenco article, let's keep the conversation about it on that talk page--it will help future editors. Also, we still need an article on the Oregon Nursery Company itself, if you'd like to contribute to that. Thanks, I look forward to your contributions. Katr67 15:21, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message Katr67, I will try to contribute to make the history of Orenco to be as factual as possible, based on information obtained from Washington County Historical Society e Museum, Washington County Tax Assessor, Orenco Heritage Book by Lou Hanberg, but first I would like to show the article to Lou Hanberg, I know he would be cooperating on the editing and quoting the areas where the revision is necessary. I just checked the last person whom did the revision and got in touch, but I will be contacting as well the first person who made the information available, as I like Wikipedia a lot and the information contained here, I would like to make an effort and cooperate with reliable resouces, not independent research, as per required by Wikipedia policies.

Anyway, thank you so much for the insight and the help, I will be back with more information soon.

Rgds, 24.21.35.103 02:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Editing the article on Oregon Shakespeare Festival
Thanks for your comments. I'm pretty new to this and hope you don't mind my asking some questions. You said I didn't need to sign my name using the ~, but Just H, another editor (who evidently has been banned) wrote this to me: Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking  or by typing four tildes "~&#126;"  Does that mean I need to use four tildes on talk pages but not when I'm editing?

I've tried to clean up the article by doing the things listed in the clean up boxes within the article and also on the Oregon Wiki page. Now that I've done those things, how do I get rid of the two boxes still there within the article, one at the top and one near the end. One says "replace this take..." but I feel uncomfortable erasing stuff put there by people who know a lot more than I do. Can I just do that?

OK, this is a talk page, so I better use those tildes! --JanetFA 21:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Janet, thanks for contacting me.


 * Re: tildes. Yes, you use tildes when posting on talk pages, but not when you're editing. For example, if you click on the "history" tab on the top of any page (for example here is what you will see when you click on the history for the Oregon Shakespeare Festival), you can see that who has edited the page is automatically recorded. So when filling out an edit summary field, as I explained about on your talk page (and thanks for filling them out), you don't need to put tildes, because they don't do anything but be 4 squiggles.


 * OSF: First of all, are you associated with OSF? Please read about conflict of interest, and what Wikipedia is not (including the part about it not being free advertising space). I want to assume you are acting in good faith, and I have nothing against OSF (I love Shakespeare), but I have serious concerns about your additions to the article. Most of the content seems to be promotional in nature, the additions destroyed a great deal of existing formatting, and may be copied and pasted from OSF material, which may be a copyright violation unless express permission has been given to use it. Another good essay is about ownership of articles, which I encourage you to read because you might not know it, but the way you edited the article without consulting with other editors first, and because I suspect you wish to promote the OSF, makes it look like you might feel a sense of ownership over the article. I apologize if I'm jumping to conclusions, but I've seen many well-meaning editors try to change articles about their businesses and organizations and the pattern is similar. I realize there are a lot of rules around here for "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" and this can be discouraging. If you will take a look at the links I provided, I'll see what I can do about the cleanup of the OSF article. I'll try to preserve as much of the content as I can and you will see what I mean by "cleanup" and "in-text citations". I might not be able to get to it right away but I'll do my best.


 * Also, were you or someone else at OSF behind the merging of the two theatre articles (Elizabethan and Bowmer) into the OSF article? Because I think those could actually stand alone, especially now that the OSF article is so lengthy. Any reason for the merge?


 * Let's continue any OSF-specific conversation on that article's talk page, so other editors can help out. Thanks! Katr67 22:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

WPOR Collaboration of the Week
Greetings WPOR member, we are starting a weekly collaboration project where we will announce two articles that are currently stubs that we hope to work together to improve. No pressure to help, but if you would like to, just stop by one of the articles and see if you can find information to expand the article with, copy edit what is there, help with formatting, or add some images. This week’s articles are: Alis volat propriis and Fusitriton oregonensis. Aboutmovies 22:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yee haw! Way to be bold my friend! Katr67 22:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

your request
I'd be more than happy to check out the OSF article, I've seen many plays there. VanTucky (talk) 23:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for you consideration. I'll let you know when I'll be done, should just be a second. VanTucky (talk) 21:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. Thanks again for your politeness Katr. VanTucky (talk) 21:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, whatever the motivation, I like it. VanTucky  (talk) 21:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Bob's Red Mill
How do we know the company jumped from 75 to 150 employees in two years' time? Badagnani 17:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone who appears to be associated with the company updated the figure and I'm assuming good faith (but of course that needs to be cited so I fact tagged it). If we can't find a citation for the figure, of course it should be changed back. But according to a the more recent citation, they bought a new plant and plan to triple their capacity--I assume that means they will have to employ more people, so I don't think there's anything unreasonable about doubling the number of employees. Katr67 17:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

That makes sense. Funny how companies often detect their WP pages so soon after creation--shows you how important WP has become! Badagnani 20:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Lost Signature
I could have sworn I types in my signature using the four tildes. Very strange. I've been around for a long time but don't spend much time here, thus the two pages I've created are pretty crappy. JoshEnglish 19:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean the welcome template, that's just a standard message, which happens to include the 4 tildes bit. You signed your post at Wordos, it was another post that I tagged unsigned. Do you know how to check page diffs? Katr67 19:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Not the prettiest thing, but an award nonetheless

 * This could really double as a Harry Potter barnstar, which is kinda cool... Katr67 16:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

WPOR Collaboration of the Week
Greetings WikiProject Oregon employees. Well a big thanks to all those who helped improve Alis volat propriis and Fusitriton oregonensis last week. This week’s Stub improvement are: Government of Oregon which should be easy, and Miss Oregon. Again, no pressure to help with the collaboration, choose one, both, or neither. Also, feel free to opt out of the notifications at the new page dedicated to collaborative efforts at WPOR (newsletter is in R&D). Aboutmovies 18:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Salem
Why reverse every single one of the changes I made on Salem, Oregon? I understand the Capitol problems but I added more specific info on Chemeketa and location of the Oregon State Hospital and all was removed. Why? I have lived in Salem many years, I know the place pretty well. Coyotez 20:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * First of all, most of your additions were not encyclopedic and add an unnecessary level of detail--the casual reader (who could be from anywhere in the world) does not need to know the exact street on which the state hospital is located unless the location itself is notable. (See what Wikipedia is not for infomation about this concept, especially the part about it not being a tourist guide or an indiscriminate collection of information.) Also, since this is an article about Salem, the more precise details can go in the article about the hospital. Then there is the fact that most of your additions were uncited and seem to be original research. Even if something might be true, for Wikipedia purposes it needs to be backed up with reliable sources. Also some of your edits removed existing formatting and wikilinks. Along with introducing spelling errors and the fact that you were ignoring the existing wiki formatting (introducing a link like Oregon State Capitol Building, for example, when there was already a link to Oregon State Capitol) it was simply easier to revert the whole thing. You can see I restored some of your edits about the word "Chemeketa" (and do you have a source for the pronunciation? that's good stuff but it needs to be cited), and I'm willing to work in some of the rest of the changes you made. Let's continue to discuss this on the article's talk page. I'd suggest you also start using Show preview before you save your edits to help not introduce typos into the text. Thanks. Katr67 20:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

FYI
Open offer :) &mdash; Scientizzle 23:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I figured there was only a ~5% chance you'd give in. I've read your FAQ before (and our fairly recent conversation on the topic was only just archived). Anyhow, in six months, or any time sooner, I'll be more than willing to shepherd you into the dark side adminship. I'm of the opinion that even a reluctant sysop that only performed one deletion/block/page protection a week reduces the load on everyone. Remember, just like regular editing, you can do as little or as much as you want! See you in 6 months... Cheers, &mdash; Scientizzle 01:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

County seat
Just curious, why are you changing all the references to county seat to a piped link that just reads "seat"? I think it may be confusing for readers unfamiliar with the concept. Though the definition of "seat" is "the center of authority", the term "county seat" is better because it is more specific, and I believe in common usage people normally say something is "the county seat of Whatever County." I don't think redundancy is an issue in this case. Katr67 21:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I changed it in instances where "county seat" made for awkward or redundant wording, as in "the county seat of the county is XYZ." I kept the link there so that people may feel free to click on it if they do not understand. (Keep in mind that "county seat" itself is an abridged version of the full name - "seat of the county government.") Funnyhat 18:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

edit summary
Hi katr - Just FYI that my exasperated edit summary wasn't directed at your good faith edit, but at the glut of tags generally and on that page in particular. Personally I fall into the Tags are evil camp, at least as far as thinking the vast majority of them should be placed on talk pages. Debivort 20:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

World Forestry Center
Thanks for your help with editing the WFC page, which I started to update today. I appreciate the changes you made as the original entry was very outdated. I did, however make some more changes to your edits, but I would like your feedback on these changes. I am trying to make this factual and informative, let me know if it does not appear that way.

KMGJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmgj (talk • contribs) 23:47, August 27, 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback, I will find outside sources to post. Let me know if there is still too much bold. If so, I would prefer to format The Discovery Museum and the World Forest Institute and leave the rest in regular formatting. Sorry I forgot to sign my name at the last posting. Kmgj 13:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your continued help with the World Forestry Center entry. I will post references this week. Let me know if you think that the bold is too much still. However, I would like to leave 'The Discovery Museum' and 'World Forest Institute' formatted this way.Kmgj 14:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, as you can tell I am new, and I left you a second post when I thought the first was lost. Kmgj 23:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

COTW templates
I kind of wanted that "main" template to look like some of the other templates that we have, so I kept it left-aligned...but I can't quite find a way to get it to look right when it is centered. I gotta bail on it for a while anyway, you want to give it a go? --Sprkee 19:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I tried a centered version...it needed the smaller map, which doesn't quite match the other big templates we have. You like this better? --Sprkee 21:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good...I tweaked it ever-so-slightly so it was centered with the stuff below it. Now it's perfect. And thanks for the Eightmile article...but no ghosts, eh? Oh well. --Sprkee 22:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

COTW duplication
Oops, I didn't see that page. Yeah, nuke mine and let's use the existing one. --Sprkee 19:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Jesuit High School (Portland)
I did the move you requested but the moved page was merely a redirect so I restored the prior versions and removed the tag. Carlossuarez46 20:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, not being an admin, I wasn't able to do the move over the redirect. Hopefully the page histories are OK. Katr67 20:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

siht ees uoy did you see this?
http://www.snopes.com/language/placenames/yreka.asp --Sprkee 20:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Assessments
I thought all were FA!!! Actually start is what I thought too, too many holes to fill in, but beyond Stub. Thanks for clearing up that backlog, now if someone could take care of the unassessed category backlog too. Aboutmovies 04:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean these? I'd do it but you actually write articles I feel I should read thoroughly and that takes too long! But I'm sure they're all brilliant. Seriously though, do you think any of them are B's yet? P.S. BTW, have you tried claiming Gray is 120 years old? That might help... 04:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar!
The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

WPOR Collaboration of the Week
Hello again WikiProject Oregon team members, its time for the next Collaboration of the Week. First a shout out to Sprkee for putting together some templates for this project. Now, in honor of Labor Day weekend and the outdoor nature of the activities that often accompany the three-day weekend, this week’s item is to de-redlink as many parks from the List of Oregon State Parks. Some may even by going to one of these places, a great opportunity to take a picture or two for an article. As always, participation is not required, though it is appreciated. And if you are caught, we will disavow any knowledge of your existence. Since we don’t want to waste any effort through duplication, please make a note on the talk page of which park article you are going to start. Good day! Aboutmovies 19:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Writing articles on New York School artists of the 1950s
Hi Katr67! Thank you for your comment. Somebody asked me to sign my edits' summary. I will not do it again. I am working on the biography of Mary Callery. I wonder if you would be kind enough to have a look at it. It is not ready yet. Sincerely Yours, (Salmon1 17:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

Hi Katr67! I finished the article on Mary Callery. I wonder whether it would meet your approval? Best regards, (Salmon1 21:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC))


 * Sure, I can take a look. Katr67 21:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Katr67! You are a real professional. Your edit in the begining just showed how well you wraped up in one sentence Mary Callery's importance in art history. I am very happy to know you. Sincerely Yours, (Salmon1 22:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

Hi Katr67! I hope that I am not overbearing at this point. Learning from your example editing Mary Caller's article I added images of Judith Brown's sculptures as external images. I hope this will satisfy the requirement. Sincerely Yours, (Salmon1 23:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC))