User:Valfontis/Archive 4

coffee and trains
I couldn't decide if retiring to Ashland counted as being WPORworthy, so I'm glad you made that call for me. I used to live right next to store #2, does that make me non-neutral? I guess I'll walk to store #10,000 for lunch to toast the old guy.

I did see the Eugene Amtrak station on the NHRP just as I was posting my note to AM; glad to make your morning, or at least a few minutes of it... --Sprkee 17:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, why not--I had no idea it was his fault he created the monster that is Starbucks--that seems noteworthy enough to me. We don't have Peet's 'round these parts though, I'm an Allan Bros. girl myself, even if I know there's just this guy named Alan who has no brothers... Yeah, I was just messing around with train station articles last night. Hopefully I'll get around to writing up a bit on the Eugene and Salem stations tonight. Katr67 18:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And we don't have AB...I'll check it out next time I'm there. Anything to avoid the big green corporate steamroller. (Though in truth, their drip coffee is decent, it's the espresso that is an abomination; oh, and of course the customers and their super-twee orders.) --Sprkee 18:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * At AB they actually know how to pull a good espresso (and being a humanities major, believe me, I know all about pulling espresso), though the help is often surly, but I don't blame them, I used to work there (as a baker) too.<--Stalkers, if you had any doubt about who I am, there ya go. But yeah, I think Starbucks' product is decent, but I really hate the fact that they do things like drive Coffee People out of Eugene by putting in a store right across the street from them, and the people who think they're getting some sort of authentic coffehouse experience when they go there. One of my favorite alt.country CDs is from them though. They are genius at marketing, I'll give them that. Katr67 18:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * DYK Allan Brothers has Ashland roots? The story I heard is that one of the aforementioned brothers, while a student at Southern Oregon University, began roasting coffee beans in a cast iron skillet over a hot plate in his dorm room. This led to the opening of The Beanery, which still serves AB coffee in Ashland, and from there to the empire that is Allan Brothers. Those other caffeinated siblings, the Dutch Brothers are from Grants Pass.--DaKine 15:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You knew SB bought CP, right? There was a Torrefazione Italia in the Pearl that I liked, until SB bought them (along with SBC) and then closed most of them. Who's next? Watch out McDonald's! --Sprkee 18:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * They did?!? And they bought SBC too (back in '03 I see)? OK, now I really hate them... Hopefully Mr. Alan will never sell out. Katr67 19:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Notable Oregon residents, Medford and elsewhere.
While researching the Patrick Duffy claim (I've sold things to him and Annette O'Toole while working in stores in Ashland), I ran across this thread from the Medford Mail Tribune's Forum and thought you might be interested.



By the way, some Google searching seems to indicate Duffy's ranch is in the Gold Hill, Oregon area, not Medford.--DaKine 18:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking into it. Even if some of those are just rumors, there's still quite a few more celebrities holed up down there than I realized. I imagine a lot of them don't want to be found, so I bet it will be hard to find sources for many of them. As far as location, people seem to want to lump everything within a 50-mile radius into "Medford" (note that I changed the categories to insist that Ashland doesn't= Medford). Not being from around there, I'm not sure how the locals feel about that... Katr67 18:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Judith Brown
Hi Katr67! I followed your advice and I deleted all the links except one where I added some information as to the images. Thank you very much. I truly admire your knowledge and abilities. Best regards, (Salmon1 02:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC))

Hi Katr67! I wonder how "to clean" this article more then what we have done? It would be nice to finish the process. Sincerely, (Salmon1 13:56, 2 September 2007 (UTC))

Clock Information
Hi Katr67! Thanks for the warning. I have per your email removed all mention of the Conger Street Clock Museum, Illuminated clocks, and the water clock.

I didn't mean to do a bad think. The Conger Street Clock Museum has the oldest domestic water clock (clepsydra) on display in any museum in the United States, and has many other very rare clocks that are only on display in that museum. I thought it would be nice to share the information about those clocks with the people that use Wikipedia. I have since read the rules and realize that Wikipedia is not meant for that kind of information. I will leave Wikipedia to the pros and leave the clocks to the Conger Street Clock Museusm's website.

Thanks again for the warning.

Thanks for the correction
On the Portland, Oregon site re "redundant link". Guess I was a bit sleepy... Brian Pearson 00:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

mist, oregon
sorry to muck up the page so as to require your clean up.

the page was was poor condition to start with, and half the information there was wrong.

I tried to water down some of the misinformation and got rid of the piece about a railroad being there as it never was. (the Railroad the previous writer was likely speaking of was the Kerry Line which is a significant railroad but it didn't go to Mist, --- it came down from Fishhawk after coming over the mountain (and through the mountain) from Woodsen. (Near Westport)  The roundhouse was at Neverstill west of Birkenfeld.

the depleted gaswell storage there is important and significant, as Oregon's only storage site. It also has a lot to do with why the Lower river is the site of no less than 3 highly controversial LGN terminal proposals.

also need something there to upstage the black photo (which I think should be deleted since it doesn't show anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rvannatta (talk • contribs) 03:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Cites
The Harvard referencing system is specifically acknowledged by WP:CITE. Woodsylass 05:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Sumpter Valley Gold Dredge
Thanks for the heads-up! I've plugged what little I've already done into that article, and I'll work up some new contributions for the future. Ipoellet 19:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Bernard's Airport
Here's a new article on a former airport I thought you might want to check out. Happy editing! Katr67 21:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks for the heads up. Yeah I ate at the McMenamins Cedar Hills a while back and they had quite a few aviation related items up on the wall. I was amazed at how much info they had on their website about the old field.  I think it was recently featured in Air & Space magazine.  I need to go find that article...  --Trashbag 22:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Feel free
I indeed started a draft. Feel free to add/edit/change/rearrange, I am off for the night. See you all tomorrow (though I will be busy). --Dirk Beetstra T C 23:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

New hopefully GA item
When you have a chance, could you work your magic at Charles L. McNary with an eye towards GA. Let me know if you think it needs anything else. Thanks. Aboutmovies 19:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do. We should also request a translation of Henrique Medina... Katr67 19:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, how do we request a translation? Aboutmovies 00:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * La voilà! Katr67 02:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool, now they just need an ego translator that removes ego from autobiographies. Did you see this in the news? Interesting proposition. Not fool proof, but a start. Aboutmovies 19:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I think I made the two stints part more clear, let me know if that works and anything else. Aboutmovies 20:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Christmas trees
I just wanted to let you know, because Christmas trees are a big industry in Oregon, that I am doing quite a bit of work on Christmas tree farming. Most of it is in my user space at User:IvoShandor/Christmas tree farm (you'll have to poke around in the sub pages to find everything--it's all linked on my user page). The only article that is ready for the main space (and I moved it there) is Christmas tree cultivation, which doesn't have a lot of Oregon specifics as it is a rather general article. Some of the production articles I am working on will be quite full of Oregon stuff. Just thought I would let you know. : ) Have a nice day! IvoShandor 19:30, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * (Re: Images--They have Christmas tree farms in Iowa?!? That doesn't seem right.) Cool, I'll take a look. If you need more images, let me know. I'm also curious if the phenomenon of abandoned tree farms is notable--they're pretty common. Katr67 19:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have done a narrow search on abandoned tree farms and have come up with little, if you find anything let me know. Pictures could always be used, the category in commons is linked from the article, Christmas tree farms, I believe it is. IvoShandor 21:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Meaning I plan on setting up a nifty gallery if we get enough photos from different places. I have placed a couple requests with WikiProjects but haven't heard anything yet. IvoShandor 21:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I rode my bike by a couple--abandoned and otherwise--just the other day, this weekend I'll retrace my route with camera in hand... Katr67 21:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Did you see this discussion? It's a blog, but Russell Sadler is a reliable source, he used to be a commentator on the local news and the Eugene Register-Guard... The reply about tax breaks is interesting... Katr67 21:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I did see that actually, so you think it'll fly? About tree farms, we have quite a few in Illinois too. I was looking at some crop stats, Illinois is somewhere in the middle, about 500,000 trees cut per year or so. IvoShandor 21:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's originally from High Country News, so there ya go. And here's Sadler's cred. Katr67 22:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear,Katr67
Thank you so much for telling me(I'm Mary divalerio 21:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

secret identity FYI
I'm sure you'll see my edit before I finish typing this, but I'm requesting to change my user name. It's not a big deal, but since many people know that Sprkee is my usual secret identity, it's just a little weird to have people find me based on my wikiedits... "hey, weren't you supposed to be working then?" --Sprkee 22:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Good luck! This message will self-destruct in 5 seconds... Katr67 22:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe all the extra Peet's coffee I drank this week has put me over the edge... --Sprkee 22:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Penguins
Wow, that's freaky, that penguin sounds just like me! Maybe he needs a name change too. (BTW, I keep picturing Feathers McGraw in all these penguin discussions...). --Sprkee 23:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I do like a bit of gorgonzola... Obviously no one is working this afternoon. :) So did you realize that there's a whole Category:Fictional penguins ??? The mind reels. Katr67 23:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Friday afternoon, I'm just watching the ol' humanclock tick by...(love the nag-o-meter on that page.) --Sprkee 23:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear,Katr67
I would very much appreciate you taking me off the spammer list. My site is non-commercial. I sell nothing. I simply have a database of what to look for when identifying a first edition. I started the web site to inform people so they don't go and spend hundreds of dollars on something on eBay or other places for something they think is a first edition, when in fact it is not. The Deep End of the Ocean is one such book. I believe the information my site provides compliments the literary information, and that is the reason it placed links. The site is much like IMDB, it tells you details about the physical first edition book. But I am not selling the books I show on the site, I am simply giving people a way to identify a first edition. I ask that you kindly take my site off the list, It was never my intention to spam anyone, and if the community thinks that is what I am doing, then I promise to never enter another link --Tklein 8:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I just reported it. I'm not a spam expert. But the way I interpret the spam guidelines (for example, "don't add links to sites with which you are affiliated") your behavior is that of a spammer. Please bring this up on the WikiProject Spam talk page. Katr67 15:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.
Thanks for keeping an eye on my spelling and grammar. I was going to read it over later today, but you've already done the job! What do you think, is it anywhere near publishable? Thanks again! --Dirk Beetstra T C 16:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I think it rocks. You've covered all the points thoroughly, and the solutions are reasonable and (hopefully) effective. I think it's publishable, but check with some of the dedicated spam fighters and possible some of the pro-library folks to be sure. Katr67 17:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am going to contact a couple of the WikiProjects (if I can find the appropriate ones).
 * Have you ever been invited (not that you need an invitaton ..) to join us on IRC, where we discuss these situations and others, and command the bots? We can be found on irc.freenode.net, channels #wikipedia-en-spam and #wikipedia-en-spam-t (and some channels around that).  You'll need some software like e.g. Mirc or the chatzilla plugin for Firefox.  Hope to see you around.  --Dirk Beetstra T  C 18:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Charbonneau footnotes
Hi: I see you added a no footnotes tag to Jean Baptiste Charbonneau. As the person who added the sources, I'm willing to add footnotes, but can you help me out with which sentences you want cited? Jlittlet 00:49, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

September WPOR Collaboration of the Week
First off, great job to all WikiProject Oregon folks for last week’s List of Oregon State Parks work. We pounded out six new state park articles: Sarah Helmick, Bald Peak, Bob Straub, Sumpter Valley Gold Dredge, Tumalo, and Peter Skene Ogden. Plus numerous other edits to improve the existing articles. As a reward, we are introducing the COTW award WPOR COTW award, and this time it goes to User:Woodstein52 for starting three of the articles.

On to this week. We are back to the usual two Top importance Stubs: Sunstone and Oregon, My Oregon. Both are stub pluses, so it shouldn’t take much to upgrade them both. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Good day! Aboutmovies 22:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Moven' on up
Congratualtions, you are almost to the top 500 in edits! Aboutmovies 17:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool. I don't look at that page...much. Last I checked I was in the top 1000... P.S. I'll get around to Mr. McNary sometime today... Katr67 17:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Second opinion request
Cultural Practice -- I originally prod'ed it as unsourced OR. The article has since been expanded and references have been added, but it still still smells OR-ish. Whaddaya think? Thanks... -- Finngall talk  20:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think its a legit subject for an article. It's mentioned though not linked at Cultural studies. A spin 'round The Google reveals quite a few mentions: . (Heh--you'll like this one.) I think a basic sociology textbook would back up most of it. I'd give her a chance to work on it then add whatever cleanup tags (and a page move) you deem necessary. Katr67 21:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Explanation
Dear Katr67,I belive you accused me of sock puppetry. Let me explain. Mary divaleriois my user name. Liddydivalrio is my little sisters username and my moms username is gigilili. since we all use the same computer, sometimes another username is already logged in when we start to do our homework.(the reason all of our accounts started at the same time was because school started)!!!! also the "commen intrest mail" was actully a prank on my little sister.Trust me, as you can tell from my spelling mistakes, (I'm sure I have quite a few)I 'm just a kid that uses "wikipedia " for homework. By the way our computer is having diffucultly editing the evidence page so I was wonndering if you could add this message to it--Mary Di Valerio 16:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism?
Since plagiarism constitutes copying verbatim, attribution or not, public domain or not, I stand by it. Public domain means "no payment to publisher or writer required", not "I can reproduce this under any name I want". Maybe you ought to investigate the use of plagiarised material. Nobody eles on WP seems to give a damn, as far as I can tell. And POV? How about "ethical"? Or doesn't ethics enter into it? Trekphiler 19:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not the template that bothers me, it's the plagiarism, & the only reason I'm removing the template is because it conceals (or appears to condone) the plagiarism. I'm concerned soembody who doesn't go to DANFS & cites a tagged page may get nailed for plagiarism, without ever knowing why. Trekphiler 21:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Online Northwest?
Katr67, I want to thank you for your discussion about Libraries making external links to their resources. As a professional librarian with interest in discussing this further among other librarians, I'm considering doing a presentation at Online Northwest in Corvallis, OR in early 2008. It would be a better presentation if I had someone more familiar with the Wikipedia view as part of the presentation. Would you be interested in contacting me directly to discuss a joint presentation at the conference? Richardaedwards 22:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Report at WP:AIV
Thank you for reporting User:Dreadfulwater to WP:AIV. However, none of this editor's edits appeared to be vandalism, or made in bad faith. I blocked the user for 24 hours for violating the three-revert rule, however. In the future, you can report 3RR violations to Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. Cheers! --Ginkgo100talk 01:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for correcting my errors on List of People from Oregon. Mental note to self: Do not edit Wikipedia when tired and/or lacking time. Also thanks for your hard work and good attitude here. You have inspired me to want to do better.--DaKine 05:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. :) I know you know to alphabetize but I didn't see you around anymore so I had to fix it. Katr67 15:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Attack of the horses
Saw this NRHP item, thought of you. Aboutmovies 07:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellent (well, too bad they're moving it), I'm clipping it out of the paper right now to circumvent O-vanish. I just learned the other day that there's a whole NRHP Oregon Historic Wooden Carousels "Theme Resource".


 * BTW, I'll be at the central Oregon Coast this weekend if anybody can think of stuff over there that needs pictures. Katr67 15:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Since you are offering, from the reqphoto: you might run across an Oregon spotted frog or Oregon Ash. Other places needing pics: Otter Rock, Oregon, Yachats State Recreation Area, Jessie M. Honeyman Memorial State Park, and even ye old Sea Lion Caves. If you're near them, otherwise take pictures of random people and use them for the state legislator pages, or convert them to B&W and we can use them for all the old dead guys/gals. Nobody will ever know. Aboutmovies 17:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Oregon Ash has been on my mental to-do list for a while now. (I do have a pic of the big-ass Black Cottonwood at Willamette Mission State Park). Not sure I'd recognize an Oregon spotted frog. I'll be near Yachats, so I'll see if I can get somebody to stop the car. Hmm, my friends have a daguerreotype of themselves from when they did Civil War reenacting, I bet we could pass them off as somebody. ;) Who knew knowing several bearded men would come in handy someday... Katr67 17:46, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Damn Parkers
OK, apparently there are two Parkers in Oregon history. Samuel Parker (missionary) who was here 1835-6, and then the politician one Samuel Parker (Oregon politician) who was here 1845 till death in 1886. My guess is the later is the one with the Liberty ship and name on the Capitol wall, but I though you might check your reference to determine for sure before correcting the link from your sandbox. Stupid dead guys. Aboutmovies 00:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The one in my sandbox is the missionary, according to the book, and the article covers just about everything that is said in there. Not sure about the L-ship--sources are spotty on where they got the names for those, but I bet in a pinch they just picked names from the wall... Katr67 18:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That's sad. Reinforces my belief that they didn't do a great job picking names. Parker the missionary was here for maybe six months, and its doubtful he actually chose the location for the Whitman mission as Marcus apparently left before Parker got back. Oh well, its all history. Aboutmovies 18:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

FYI
I've suggested a rename of the Gray Sails the Columbia River article here. Van Tucky  Talk 02:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

WPOR Collaboration: 09172007
All righty WPOR ladies and gentleman, great job last week with our state song and gemstone. I have bumped them up to Start class. I haven’t looked at the contributions, so the COTW award will be later. This week’s articles are Darlene Hooley, by special request, and another Top stub, our very own state rock, the Thunderegg. Yes, apparently we have a state rock and state gemstone. No word on whether there is a state stone too. Hooley basically needs some sources to make it to the next level. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. In the words of Beaver Joe, whoop! Aboutmovies 18:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Erastus Otis Haven
I have no idea why this guy is buried in Salem, but he has now "lived" here longer than any other place, should we tag him for WPOR? And with Beers, the source says 1800, but also that info before he came to Oregon is scarce. So I'm guessing the wife got the headstone made and hopefully she knew the correct year. Aboutmovies 03:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Jeff Ball
Thanks for catching that. Smmurphy(Talk) 15:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. Katr67 15:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Douglas-fir et al
Note: please take any continued discussion about this topic to the relevant article's talk page or to WP:PLANTS, where other people can see it, thanks.

Did you check with anyone before redirecting all those or was it a unilateral decision? I'm all for being BOLD, but I have a feeling there's a consensus that the articles have a hyphen. Katr67 22:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi- No, I didn't check with anyone. Though I know that the term does not take a hyphen, I double-checked in a dictionary just to be sure. I don't know if there was consensus on using the hyphen, but I wouldn't consider consensus as a justification for WP to invent a new spelling for a well-established term. Would WP etiquette call for me to have contacted editors as a courtesy even though I was certain about the correction? -Eric (talk) 23:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The dictionary has no hyphen, but the half dozen botany texts and field guides I have on hand do. We generally go with what the experts in any given field say. The botany-related articles are overseen by experts on botany and natural history and are well-established. So I wouldn't consider this "inventing a new spelling". I'm sure you did the changes in good faith, but it should be pointed out that it's a bad idea to presume that dozens of editors have failed to notice over the five years the Douglas-fir article, for example, (which has an important role in the economy and ecosystem of a major portion of the U.S. and Canada) has existed that it's been misspelled this whole time. So yes, you should have asked on the talk page, this is considered a major change--are you planning to correct all the redirects you've created? (See "What links here") Anyway, I won't revert your changes, but I'm pretty sure someone else will. You might check in with WikiProject Plants and Naming conventions next time you think something this major is spelled wrong. Katr67 00:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I am truly surprised that there are texts that use the hyphen. If I had edited those, I would have nixed the hyphen there as well. At work I'm surrounded by publications loaded with English mistakes ("impact" being used in place of "affect," nouns capitalized at random, words like "incentivize," etc.) so I'm used to the feeling of having hundreds of co-workers not notice mistakes that jump out at me. Yes, I did make the changes in good faith. I'll never look at "Douglas-fir" and think that it looks right, but neither would I crusade against pro-hyphen editors invested in the articles. If it is not too obnoxious and lazy of me, I'd rather leave the pages and see what happens. I really believe that the hyphen doesn't belong there--texts and guides notwithstanding--and it would go against my grain to help a reference source reflect what I consider a popular use of incorrect English. It was a bit of work to remove the hyphens; they can be restored easily if someone wants to undo the edits.
 * One technical question on that: do you know if hitting 'undo' next to a move edit on a page history will undo the redirect page as well?
 * Another technical question: none of the changes I made to the fir pages show up on my watchlist, though I have them marked to watch--have you ever seen that?
 * On another topic, I like that little fromage box--did you make that or find it? -Eric (talk) 01:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not incorrect English. What I'm saying is that the half-dozen works I checked were written by professionals in the field of botany. The real answer is that botanical nomenclature changes faster than Webster's dictionary. For botanists, the hyphenated version is correct and we should defer to them. Feel free to leave it and see what happens. I've contacted User:MPF about the page moves, as we've had a few discussions about nomenclature, so I'm sure s/he will check it out. I feel your pain, however. I work for an agency that misuses the word "everyday" in its slogan, when what they really mean to say is "every day". It's printed at the bottom of all the letterhead and is prominently displayed on the webpage. *sigh*

I believe I haven't had success using the "undo" button on a page move and that they have to be moved back using the "move" feature (unless it's so mucked up that you need an admin to do the move).

I think sometimes you end up watching the redirect page instead of the page the article was moved to.


 * Thanks for the note! For more examples, both the USDA and US Forest Service hyphenate Douglas-fir, for the important reason that it is not a fir (Abies). I've moved them back - MPF 09:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi- Well, as for dictionaries keeping up with usage changes, I think the AHD updates pretty frequently, and I doubt you'll see them using those hyphens anytime soon. Anyway, I left MPF a note about all that.

More on Douglas-fir
Note: please take any continued discussion about this topic to the relevant article's talk page or to WP:PLANTS, where other people can see it, thanks.

I'd like to weigh in as a botanical editor, who is also a botanist by profession, who has not "failed to notice" these hyphens and hates them. No, there is not a consensus in the botanical community to hyphenate common names like "poison-ivy" or "douglas-fir"; for every example of a field guide that does this, I could provide a counter-example that doesn't. In fact this rather strained construction is certainly the exception rather than the rule when you take into account all the sources that refer to these species by their common name, and as already noted, most visitors to Wikipedia will find it quite odd. I have noted numerous such names and have generally left them as is without making a fuss, primarily because I know that certain vociferous editors have demanded that they stay this way and attempting to change them will be useless as they will be immediately reverted (as has already been done in this case). But don't make the mistake of assuming there's a consensus simply because nobody has argued with it; sometimes it's just easier for those of us who disagree to accept things as the way they are, whether we like them or not. MrDarwin 13:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I went there and found that, interestingly enough, neither of the relevant project pages--neither WikiProject Plants nor Naming conventions (flora)--says anything about hyphenation of common names.  So is there truly a consensus?  MrDarwin 14:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't make policy, I just follow it. Please don't try to sway my opinion, I don't really have one. If I did I would have done the reverts myself. Take it up with the botany experts please, I'm not interested in debating about this. If the hyphen goes away, life will go on. I just had a problem with what seemed liked a unilateral decision. I hope y'all find a good solution. Cheers. Katr67 18:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Fall WPOR COTW
Welcome to autmun and the weekly COTW news. Great job to those who helped out with last week’s articles: Darlene Hooley & Thunderegg. Both made great improvements. This week, something a little different. With fall upon us, the photo ops are going to be harder to get, so we have a photo request fulfillment drive. Take a look at the requested pictures for  Oregon category or the graphics subproject for what’s needed. Then go take a picture, or search online for a free picture to upload (US gov sites are great and there are links available from the above links). If you fill a request, be sure to remove the request template from the article’s talk page. Our other item is another red link removal drive, this time on the flagship Oregon article. Like the state parks red link drive, try to coordinate on the talk page. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Aboutmovies 01:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Nofootnotes/unref

 * Thanks, Katr67, a bug. Now have definitive lists for unreferenced, refimprove and fact. Reports like this are a spur to re-factoring and improving my bot. Rich Farmbrough, 09:11 24 September 2007 (GMT).

RE: Wikilinki Dates (Willamette Industries)
Hola! Thanks for the copy-edit, but:


 * "There is consensus among editors that month and day names should not be linked unless there is a specific reason that the link will help the reader to understand the article."

REF: Only make links that are relevant to the context

I only think important dates should be linked. Dates of birth and death, elections, disasters, dates of founding, merger completion, battles, book, album, movie, release, etc. What do you think?

And, by reading that and this: Manual of Style (dates and numbers), I learned about the comma not being necessary. I notice that you knew that one already. That'll save a keystroke! Thanks again...WikiDon 17:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Please read more carefully. Month and day names: e.g. September, Monday. (And there is also debate about linking single years, which I tend not to do, ever.) Then read further:
 * "Dates when they contain a day, month, and year — 25 March 2004 — or day and month — February 10 — should be linked for date preference formatting." (emphasis mine)


 * In a nutshell: if someone has his/her user date prefs enabled, the wikilinking of say, September 25 2007 thus: September 25 2007, allows the user to see the dates in the manner in which s/he is accustomed. In Europe, for example, I believe that would be 25 September, 2007.


 * If you still have questions, let me know. If I accidentally linked a single month or day name, feel free to change it. Katr67 17:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Superscrirpt
You said: "no superscripts per WP:MOS"

But, I can't find it in there. Is it somewhere else? WikiDon 17:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's in the section you linked to above:


 * Manual of Style (dates and numbers)


 * Dates


 * Wikipedia does not use ordinal suffixes or articles, or put a comma between month and year.


 * Incorrect: June 25th, 25th June, the 25th of June
 * Correct: 	14 February, February 14
 * Incorrect: 	October, 1976
 * Correct: 	October 1976


 * I should have said "No suffixes" but the result is the same. I hope that helps, Katr67 17:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Kesey
...was your commencement speaker? That's pretty cool. And I think it belongs in his wiki article, right at the end of the "Later Life" section. "To keep up his strength while addressing apathetic teens, Kesey was forced to eat stale sweaty jelly beans out of his hat." --Esprqii 17:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I think they were wrapped. And they were all purple--our principal had a thing about our school color. But no, not mine. I don't remember who ours was. My graduation sucked... This was a class or two after mine. Our school's graduation is at the Hult Center, which venue I have opinions about, but anyway in this dignified setting we brought noise makers and confetti and bubbles to cheer on our friends. While the aformentioned vice principal gave us death glares, Kesey beamed at us approvingly. And a good time was had by all. Katr67 17:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Two links for ya: http://blog.glennf.com/mtarchives/003446.html and http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2004/0530/cover.html. --Esprqii 17:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, I seem to recall they were not only purple, but had mirrors on them... Hang on. I'll send ya an e-mail. Katr67 17:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply
Please inform me which user you are refering to? If i did, it was not on puprose as i am aware of that rule. thank you! Tiptoety 18:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, since I posted it under Burnsauce's comment to you, I'm referring to Burntsauce's reactions to this here and to your smiley here. He does have 6200 edits and has been here 6 months. Yes, he's being a mite uncivil, but it's probably a good idea to let the matter drop. Katr67 18:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD Nomination of Summit High School (Bend, Oregon)
Summit High School (Bend, Oregon) has been nominated as a possible Article for Deletion. The reason is that an editor believes that the subject of the article is not notable and/or the article does not assert its importance. We welcome your input on the articles AfD page, which you can get to by clicking Here!. Thank You. - Rjd0060 23:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Lake oswego junior high
A template has been added to the article Lake oswego junior high, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with db-author. ~ Eliz 81 (C)  07:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Bend High Article
Thanks for the message. I saw your changes and I didn't realize the pranks were moved to the talk page. I set Twinkle to watch the reverts to Bend High, and I changed them back without carefully examining it. Please accept my apologies about that. There used to be a lot of vandalism on the page, especially from rival schools, such as Mountain View High School, and Summit High School. I know you have a lot of edits and are a contributer to Oregon articles, but rather than just moving or deleting sections on articles, please consider discussing the content in Bend High's Talk Page about why you feel need to move it instead of just moving it. I was at that Sadie Hawkins dance, and we were the class that had our school make national news for that. It took us three years to find the source to the Sadie Hawkins Incident and many people felt the need to just delete it. Thanks for the message, and thanks for not only being a contributer to Oregon articles, but for protecting and keeping an open mind about what is published. Even though they are just a list of pranks or just an incident about a dance, those were good times and it means a lot to not only me, but thousands of other kids that go to that school. I'll keep the pranks in the talk section until sources are found. BeanoJosh 07:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I simply removed it before, this last time I moved it so you would stop reverting. I already discussed it--it's unsourced (original research?) and unencyclopedic--the relevant policies are linked on the talk page. If I didn't remove it, someone else would. The dance incident is notable--it made national news--you'll note I didn't delete that. But that is the level of notability we're talking about here. Please read up on those policies, especially if you want to become an admin. Katr67 14:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia templates
Maybe you can help me out. I can't find a page that lists good wikipedia templates to put on my profile. I'm just getting it started but I see a lot of people have templates that say "USERNAME enjoys videogames", etc. Where can you find those? Thanks. BeanoJosh 07:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You mean userboxes? Try this: Userboxes. 14:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Cave Junction, Oregon
I'm continuing to add info and refs to the CJ page, and I have a question and you seem to be the person to ask. I'm finding a good amount of info, and a lot of it's from good sources like the New York Times and Seattle Times, but it's mostly about visiting Cave Junction. I know wikipedia isn't supposed to be a travel guide, so I would like suggestions on two things. 1. How do I write about points of interest and keep it neutral (Maybe we have manual of style pages or something that will help)? 2. Are there any standard resources that you could point me to that info on Oregon cities? Thanks, Peregrine Fisher 23:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't think of any guidelines to point you to at the moment, but I'm sure you know not to use peacock terms (e.g. "CJ has the best golf courses east of Bandon" or some such). Points of interest (especially if listed in NYT) are fine; it's an inventory of supermarkets, starbucks and skateboard parks, along with street directions, that we don't want. (Oh and probably anything about the climate that's not dry and factual--I bet NYT mentions stuff like that.) Just use your good judgment. Think Encyclopædia Britannica, and only slightly less uptight. The kind of stuff I've taken out of articles are lists of restaurants (especially those with recommendations), lists of places to shop, anything written in the 2nd person, etc. Anything that smacks of "showcasing our beautiful city" isn't going to be encyclopedic. Here's my favorite example of what not to do. Not sure why I was meddling in California that day, but there ya go... Oh and check out what links there for more ideas about what to add. A list of radio stations perhaps? Is that brewery actually notable? I see there's loads of registered historic places in the area too. Historic ditches? How is that possible? Katr67 01:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's another example of what not to do. Basically, we're not here to help people plan their vacations. Katr67 02:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Do notable residents have to currently live in Cave Junction, or can they just be from there? - Peregrine Fisher 05:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally think born, used to live or currently lives in are all fair game, and the association with the place has to be mentioned in his/her article. There is some disagreement about this around the wiki, but as far as WPORE goes, we tend to be inclusive if the association is significant, i.e. they didn't stop there once and buy gas. Katr67 05:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool, I think I can find a few that meet that criteria. It's good to here that WPORE is inclusive. - Peregrine Fisher 05:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

List of artists and art institutions in Portland, Oregon
whoops sorry I didnt know I should create articles for the nationally noted people first before adding to the "List of artists and art institutions in Portland, Oregon" page... it really is pathetic as a page at the moment and it should be updated. I'm new to this so forgive my lack of protool. thanks -Gugnir PDX —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gungnir PDX (talk • contribs) 00:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

New Article
I am happy to announce i have created another article relating to Oregon, but it is far from being complete, and i would love your help and comments on making it better. The article is Portland Police Bureau. Thank you, Tiptoety 18:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

http://www.cavejunctionoregon.com/
Is the IV chamber of commerce considered a reliable source? - Peregrine Fisher 23:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's borderline. The purpose of a CoC is to promote, after all. I would use it as a citation if I couldn't find the same info in a newspaper, book or magazine. (Because supposedly reporters have copy editors who make them check their facts.) Certainly a CoC would attempt to be professional and has no reason to make stuff up, but the tendency towards hyperbole should be watched. I think they tend to team up with the local historical society for the history stuff, so if the history isn't elsewhere, using a CoC should be fine. For the local attractions stuff, I'd check traveloregon.com for similar info, though--same purpose, more cred. Katr67 23:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. I just want to use for historical info, and I can't find it anywhere else. - Peregrine Fisher 23:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Lake Creek vs Lakecreek
Hi! I got a very nice letter from the government today. I am so excited I have to frame it! It points me to here: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=gnispq:3:::NO::P3_FID:1144788. This Lake Creek thing has been a good experience for me, and scored me an A in two different classes. The whole thing went over quite well. Thank you for the direction. Zab 00:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: List of colleges and universities in Oregon
Thanks.. I've never even been to Oregon, I've just taken an interest in improving the state-by-state college lists. This is the second one I've done after Vermont. Toohool 00:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the barnstar! :) Toohool 03:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Interstate 5 in Oregon
Please see Redirect. Some of the topics are capable of having separate articles; North Roseburg in fact does. In other places, you changed the community name, which is on signs, to the road name, which is not. --NE2 09:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

The actual text in the article was fixed in my edits. --NE2 15:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Just in case you were wondering, I am part of the WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America and thought it would have been a good idea to randomly select a few users from there for a third party participation. So, you were one of the editors I randomly selected that was listed on that WikiProject page. Please accept my humble appologies about this. I hope there are no hard feelings. Kind regards. Wiki Raja 22:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I accept your apology. Please don't ever try secret canvassing again, and remember that removing friendly reminders from your user page can be construed as vandalism (and calling such friendly reminders vandalism is just a really bad idea and isn't going to gain you any friends). It's good to be passionate, just don't break the rules when doing so. Katr67 22:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. The reason I have been taking off these comments is that in the past I have had a lot of other users post blatant warnings on my page for no reason. And often times harassing ones. Thus, I have posted on the top of my talk page that I reserve the right to remove comments I deem offensive. Regards. Wiki Raja 23:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Follow up
Just wanted to thank you for your discussion with me, as well as the others involved with Bend High School's Wiki Page. No hard feelings with the unsourced materials, the revisions, or the kids. I'm trying to get into reverting unencyclopedic and irrelevant materials, other than vandalism. Feel free to message me anytime in my Talk page with whatever you need. I might be interested in joining Wikiproject: Oregon. It just depends on my hours at work, and my school work. Thanks again. Happy wiki'ing! BeanoJosh 07:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Week 1 October WP:ORE COTW
I know everyone has been waiting anxiously for this week’s COTW, so here they are: Barlow Road and Columbia River Plateau. Both are almost Start class, just some formatting and referencing, plus a little expansion and they will be there!

As to last week, it is difficult to track the items we were working on, but I know some pictures were added and at least three red links were removed from Oregon, so thank you to all those who participated. The award winner will be GoodDamon for their creation of the Oregon Forest Resources Institute article. We have now worked through all the Top class stubs and are into the High class stubs. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Happy editing, and remember if you see a downed power line, don’t pick it up. Aboutmovies 20:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

RE:"Spamming" talk pages
oops, sorry, lesson learned, I did add it to the list on WP:ORE prior to putting a message on a few users talk page. I will not do the same next time. Thank you, Tiptoety 03:17, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Nestling
Ooh, I always had a hunch the Columbia River Plateau was nestled into the Columbia Basin. But it looks like some kind of double-nestling…the Basin is nestled in the Plateau, is nestled into the Basin! Awesome! I'm gonna go updated those articles! ;) -Pete 05:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

still cranky?
Where do I go to sign up for your online wikipedia tutorial? --Esprqii 23:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Novick
Hey'der Kay-der,

I did some work on the Steve Novick article, but I'm not sure if it was enough to warrant the removal of the advert banner. That removal was done by one of the people puffing him up. You might consider putting it back up, if you think the article still needs work. Your call of course, just FYI. -Pete 21:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for the work and the heads up. Katr67 21:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Silver Lake (Oregon)
Nice save! I knew that there must be a "Silver Lake" somewhere in Oregon, but didn't have the means to improve it, and the creator didn't give us much to work with.  Acroterion  (talk)  22:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Idaho
Thanks. I try to tag articles as I see them. Don't worry about offending me, I would let you know. Again, thanks. --Robbie Giles 15:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

WPOR CoTW: Don Schollander & Conde McCullough
Greetings WPOR world. Last week was great with the Barlow Road seeing lots of improvement, maybe even B class. Columbia River Plateau also saw some improvement, maybe enough to bump it to Start. On with the countdown, another two Stubs in the High category, both happen to be people: Don Schollander a multi-gold medalist; and then world-renowned bridge architect and all-around swell guy Conde McCullough. Schollander needs sources more than anything, and McCullough needs more of a bio, plus maybe a nice chart for the bridges with type/year/location/length. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. This week’s safety tip, stranger=danger. Aboutmovies 18:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

On vandalism warnings and editing other's comments
Regarding your editing of my comments at User talk:209.91.51.141: Thank you. -- Hi  Ev  22:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * When posting warnings you do not have to go up one level at a time. WP:VANDAL notes, "if you are confident that a user is aware of the disruption he is causing, you may start with a stronger warning".
 * Do not edit other people's comments. WP:VANDAL also points out that another kind of vandalism is "Editing other users' comments to substantially change their meaning". This is what you did by changing my warning and leaving my name attached to it. See also Talk page guidelines.

Linfield College
Hello Katr67. A while ago you removed a chunk of information about Greek societies, clubs, majors, and club sports becuase they weren't encyclopedic. I was wondering how one writes them to be sufficiently encyclopedic, or if they should be left out altogether. Note most colleges have a greek section at least. I will rewrite the greek section to be a paragraph with more information, but if you have anymore suggestions or reasoning for not having the other sections, please tell. Thanks a ton! —Preceding unsigned comment added by DerRichter (talk • contribs) 09:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for asking. First of all, read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS--what other articles have in them should have little or no bearing on what this article has in it. (However, read on...) According to the guidelines at WikiProject Schools (which is about primary and secondary schools, but still has some bearing here), these are the sorts of things school articles should not have in them. Wikipedia is not a directory, and long lists (or huge blocks of text) of majors, etc. do not belong in articles. The Greek paragraph looks better now, but it would be better to add some history as well. Note that many articles about colleges don't list the Greek houses by name at all. Basically you want to have paragraphs that give an overview of each section of the article, not just a list. As for how to make the other sections more encyclopedic, that's tough, because if you do what I would recommend, which would be to highlight some of the more unusual or prestigious programs at the school, you can be sure everyone else will want to add his or her major to the list. I'd leave club sports out all together. Check out WikiProject Universities for more suggestions, especially the part about the structure of articles. Check out some featured articles about colleges and universities. (disclaimer: the content I'm referring to may or may not have been in the article when it was given featured status) You can see some of the larger colleges have a separate list of Greek houses, which would be silly to do for Linfield, others simply say there are X number of frats and X number of sororities. They all give a bit of overview and history of the Greek programs at those schools. Any encyclopedia article should have well-cited information from reliable sources, and a good one about a college should have information that goes beyond (and is sourced from other than) what one can find by surfing the college's website. (without the language coming across as boostering or promoting the school) I hope that helps! Katr67 13:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Disappearing geolinks
Aggh. What a horrible mess. I think we should weigh in (again) at the Coordinates WikiProject. You can post a message to the whole community at Requests for comment/Style issues (if this counts as a style issue) or Requests_for_comment/Policies (if this is a policy). Another WikiProject who may care is WikiProject Cities (who explicitly call for a Geolinks in their U.S. Cities guidelines). hike395 02:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you given up? There seems to be a deadlock in the discussion. hike395 20:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually just this morning I thinking of adding a comment along the lines of: "Um, guys? Can't we flippin' do something about this already?" I really don't get why it's such a big deal to restore the old version while we discuss the thing. *sigh* Katr67 23:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Howard W. Robertson
I'm not sure where I can help with this article: activity on this article has appeared to have stalled. However, from his publications history, I'd say he just passes the bar for notability -- being published by a univeristy press IMHO tips the scale. But, as you said on the talk page, the article is a mess. -- llywrch 05:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't mind weighing in with my opinion; sometimes I like to hear myself talk. ;) More to the point, I am concerned by his response to Aboutmovies "You are not the community" -- an attitude like that either gets changed or gets the person with it shown to the door. I'd rather see him change the 'tude. -- llywrch 15:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Help please
Hey, i guess Image:Ep1002oregonstatepolice.jpg does not have a fair use rational. I am not sure how to properly create a fair use rational for this image. Would you mind helping me out? Tiptoety 22:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm crap at copyright stuff, but I can take a look. You might ask Aboutmovies too. Katr67 22:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, it looks like it should be OK to use if it's actually used in an article--"fair use" doesn't extend to it sitting around waiting for someone to use it for something. You may wish to make a simple statement about which article you're going to use it in and why that use is fair use. However I don't think you can put the GNU license on it as it's not yours to license. Katr67 22:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks, i will ask Aboutmovies. thanks again. Tiptoety 23:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Removal of Content
''post copied to Talk:Great Cats World Park

Hello,

I have a concern about an article I found on Wikipedia regarding my company Great Cats World Park. I was wondering what I need to do to have the article US Fish and Wildlife Service probation removed.

The articles referenced are from The Daily Triplicate. I would also like to know if the newspaper gave permission to post these articles or if they were posted illegally.

My reasons for having the articles removed are because they are biased and reflect a negative image of my company. Under court order I was not allowed to tell my side of the story about the fine and the facts of the case are much different than what was written in the newspaper article.

Any help you can give me on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Craig Wagner Director Great Cats World Park http://www.greatcatsworldpark.com info@greatcatsworldpark.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.32.168.35 (talk) 21:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for contacting me. I'm posting this to the article's talk page for further discussion. Katr67 21:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:NC(S) input
Hello, as you might have noticed I have brought up a new proposal for a guideline on school naming conventions. However, there has been very little input for it to go anywhere. I remember you were involved in the last proposal, so I would appreciate your input once again at WT:NC(S) if possible. Thanks. Camaron1 | Chris 11:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiOregon COTW
Greetings once again WikiProject Oregon members. Thank you to those who help out with improving Conde McCullough and Don Schollander last week. This week is a Stub break, with a Ref improvement drive for Oregon and a request for work on Portland Police Bureau. For the ref improvement, this means sourcing tagged statements and standardizing all existing citations, both of which are needed for GA and FA status. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Aboutmovies 18:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The Tower Theatre (Bend, Oregon)
Hi There,

I have tried it again. Please have a look and let me know if this is a better start. I will keep working on the article, this is my first "major" article, so I appreciate your patience ;-) Nostrada 07:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

no pressure or anything
Many moons ago, we ran into each other on my first and only attempt to offer feedback at Editor review. I just wandered onto that page again, which prompted me to see if you were still around. Would you care to revisit your response to the second to last question on your FAQ? - BanyanTree 08:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * By which I mean: want a nom? - BanyanTree 05:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope, thanks for asking, I'm glad to think I'd make the cut though. Scientizzle has a nom all written up for me if I decide to do it, and a couple other people have also expressed interest (hence the note in my FAQ). I've got myself on incivility notice, however, which I recently had to reset, and don't plan to ask for a nom until I think I have a clean slate. I don't relish having every stupid thing I've done brought up to the light--I've seen some of those Rfas--they can be brutal. I'd rather quietly do my thing in my little corner of the wiki. I'll be sure to let you know if I change my mind though, thanks again! Katr67 13:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, at least you have a accurate sense of RFA. ;) I'll wait to see you pop up there.  Cheers, BanyanTree 22:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Port of Longview
Hello Katr67, thank you for your suggestions. Yes, I am associated with the Port of Longview. I have attempted to edit the article to make it as neutral-point-of-view as possible. Please let me know if you have additional suggestions or even specific instructions on how to do things. I am new to Wikipedia and am learning as I go. The trouble is that there are not very many sources within Wikipedia that I can reference. I also do not understand the signature concept. Your assistance is appreciated. Sincerely, longviewport. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Longviewport (talk • contribs) 23:13, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Manifest Destiny
Hello Katr67. I noticed your "unearthing" of extensive deletions from this article last year. It seems to me that the other material which was deleted (in addition to the part you restored) was in fact sourced, and should be returned to this article. There is a multiplicity of sources cited and the edit summary which accompanied the deletions did not indicate what parts were in question. I am prepared to restore the former text, as you did with the one paragraph. What do you think?

There is a large amount of vandalism on this page during the school year. I succeeded in getting it semi-protected last spring; we may have to resort to that again. It is good that someone else is watching it. Regards, Kablammo 22:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Avery Dennison
Hi Katr67! I had added one of Avery Dennison's websites, www.printandmailcenter.com, to the Avery Dennison entry. Avery Print and Mail Center is the direct mail marketing group of Avery Dennison Office Products and would like to included in the Avery Dennison properties, would it be better to have an entry created for the company itself or, since I'm directly involved (they've been a client for 8 years) have someone else edit the entry? Thanks so much for your guidance. I'll be participating in one of the wikipedia projects to become better educated about site guidelines. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisawilliams40 (talk • contribs) 12:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Camp Pioneer
I noticed you'd contested the prod for Camp Pioneer - the article is now up at AfD, so thought you may wish to drop by and explain your reasoning. Thanks. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 19:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Western States Chiropractic College entry
I re-entered the changes I had made earlier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toddloggan (talk • contribs) 21:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Why are you telling me this? What is your reasoning? It's a copyright violation, which is against Wikipedia policy. The material needs to be paraphrased. If it isn't a copyvio please discuss it on the article's talk page. Katr67 21:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Roland Smith
Well, shoot, I know he's fairly notable...I trip over his books every morning. But his website lists so gosh-darn many piddly awards I can't sift through them all right now. --Esprqii 22:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If you unspeedy him, I'll try to put in a little more on him. I haven't done an author before (that is, I haven't written an article about one...oh never mind) so I'm not sure what a bare minimum article would look like. Seen any short-n-sweet articles I can emulate? --Esprqii 22:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks. --Esprqii 23:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Week
Howdy doody ya’ll WPOR poke, time for more COTW. Thanks for the work on Portland Police Bureau and improving the references at Oregon. This week we are back to Stubs with Eastern Oregon and Fort Vancouver National Historic Site. Both need just a little TLC to make it to Start. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Aboutmovies 01:49, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

the one-woman J-Gil protection squad
Hey, good work on getting those images tagged. Sorry I didn't get to it quicker to share the load…I'll keep an eye out for new ones though. -Pete 22:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

My bad. Osława Dąbrowa (PKP station)
Sorry for not fixing it right away, i was in a rush and did not have time to cite the ref in the text, so i just added the tag. My bad. Tiptoety 04:44, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Image from sager orphans
Hi, thanks for informing me about the problem with the fair-use rationale of the image. I added a fair-use rationale as good as I could. I hope this will do it. Greetings from Europe Martin1971 18:35, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

BNSF&ATSF
Why have you deleted WikiProject Oregon from the BNSF & ATSF pages? Amreatsf4620 01:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think national entities are part of our scope. It's kind of like listing every state that has a Burger King. Some of those train articles are going to end up in all 50 state's WikiProjects, which is, IMHO, ridiculous. I plan to list the ones I opted out of on our project's page to make sure everyone agrees with me, don't worry, it won't be a unilateral decision. Why do you care? Katr67 01:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Why shouldn't I? I was just watching the pages for vandls and whanted to know why you deleted the project.   Amreatsf4620 01:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, not a vandal. :) Katr67 02:28, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for cleaning up my new articles...I'm just not good at catsorting and whatnot, so I'm glad others will pick up my slack. Cheers, &mdash; Scientizzle 22:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Thanks for starting the articles. I'm glad you appreciate it--sometimes in my zeal I forget someone might still be working on the article. Now we just need a better pic of the 511 Building. The one I found doesn't do it justice. I think I'll drop a couple people a note--I guess it will be a good weekend for photography. Latr, Katr67 22:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

What to do about geolinks?
I would put a editprotected on the Talk page of the templates, and try to convince an admin that we need to revert to prevent empty EL section, and we are actively discussing what to do next. I would do this, but I'm spending very little time on WP nowadays. hike395 18:18, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Gabriel Park is the first page I made from scratch, feel free to clean it up. Thank you for your invitation, I will join WikiProject Oregon and start contributing ASAP! -Merzperson —Preceding comment was added at 05:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

SPAM ala COTW
Ladies and Gentlemen its time for another episode of Collaboration of the Week. Last week’s show starring Fort Vancouver National Historic Site & Eastern Oregon received high ratings. This week’s show star two more stubs, Johnny Kitzmiller & John Wesley Davis. As always, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Don’t delay, act today! Aboutmovies 18:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Mike Richardson (publisher)
Thanks for the heads-up. It seems awfully unnecessary. You seem to have this all well in hand but I will drop a note over to the comics project for people to keep an eye on it (and offer a third party perspective on this). (Emperor 17:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC))

Autzen
I know it's not the COTW but for some reason, I've been into fixing this one. Maybe because it was in such bad shape before. Anyway, I removed your fact tags about the "unique acoustics" because I'm pretty sure that's unverifiable, and the other one because it's verifiable that the stadium is e/w by looking at a map and that doesn't need a citation, does it? But then I realized maybe you were challenging the conventional wisdom about N/S stadiums. Do you think that needs a citation? --Esprqii 19:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, *thank you* for de-tucking it. Blech. It is somewhat unusual to have an E-W orientation. A common football expression exhorts runners to go "north-south", i.e., gain yardage, not run around from side-to-side, i.e., east-west; see http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22run+north-south%22++football&. And...heh, the first entry, http://archives.stupidquestion.net/sq92498football.html, pretty much kills that theory anyway. So I think I'll keep the note in there about it being *somewhat* unusual, but remove the other stadia that have the same orientation. Heck, if 40% of the Pac-10 stadia are E-W, what's the point?? Meanwhile, I'll keep my NPOV platypus eyes on the page for a while. --Esprqii 23:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You betcha, *somebody* around here has to maintain NPOV. I like the Civil War article idea, and of course, we should schedule it for that week. If we really wanted to tie it into CW week, we could even see which side can do the best job on the remaining football Oregon Sports Hall of Famers--there is about an equal number. We can make a special platypus barnstar.... --Esprqii 00:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Anna Song
You got the template magic correct. The temporary "backwards" redirect was my fault. :) Resurgent insurgent (as admin) 04:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Rocky Mountain Floristic Province
Hi! The title now is misleading. Could you please move it back? It is not about the floristic province, it is about the floristic region, as evident from the text and the sources, which includes two floristic provinces (Rocky Mountain and Vancouverian). The RMFP exists, but it is a subdivision of the region and we have no article about it. Colchicum 13:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry! I wasn't paying attention. I thought "Rocky Mountain Region" sounded vague, then I thought that there was some sort of inconsistency with the article names, because "Floristic Region" redirects to "Floristic Province". Also all the region/province/kingdom articles were under Category:Floristic provinces, which also led me to think there was naming inconsistency going on. I should have investigated further. I can't move it back, I'm not an admin. I'm requesting a housekeeping speedy page move back to Rocky Mountain Region. If that's incorrect, (I'm thinking it makes more sense to have it at Rocky Mountain Floristic Region?) let the admin who moves it know. In the future though, I think all the regions/provinces/kingdoms in that category ought to have "floristic" in their names for clarity, and some sub categories for kingdom and region set up. Sorry again, thanks for letting me know. Katr67 14:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Crumpackage
Oh, you just knew that would draw me into your little NRHP circle, didn't you?!?!? OK, I should be able to visit that one and take some snaps, it's actually pretty close. That could give us a start on W. H. Pipes too. --Esprqii 17:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Bwahahahaha! Come...come...do not be afraaaaaaid... It's just one small step from old dead guys to old dead houses, doncha know. Old Dead Guys--The Gateway Drug. Katr67 17:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I just hope there's a large body of water that I can throw myself into in case my friends start conspiring to have me murdered. --Esprqii 17:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * BTW, how old is your house? Wait, do something notable first, then we can nominate your house. Katr67 17:37, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you saying wikipedia isn't notable enough? Shucks, I better go change my user ID again. --Esprqii 17:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Indeed.
My bad. -Pete 10:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Who's the troll you speak of
When you speak of a troll, were you referring to me? If not, then I'm sorry for bringing it up. But I saw your notes regarding a troll. I wanted to make it clear that I'm not a troll. I was attacked, and I'm responding to it. that's all.

It appears to me that a group of friends closed in and started attacking me. I'm not saying you're included in this, but nonetheless, I'm not a troll. ~


 * Strange, by signature didn't show up.  So I'll post again, and again, I ask, Katr67, since there's confusion, who is the troll you speak of?   I have a suspision it's me.  Is this true?    If so, it was not my intent to bother you guys, I just wanted to improve an article, and I had trouble getting specifics about the edits.     71.111.129.39 01:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:Oregon music
Not a problem. At this point it's mostly just enforcing fair use guidelines and adding to WP:MUSICIAN. Hopefully it leads to getting a few of the articles in better shape, though. –Zytsef 01:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Slight Misunderstanding
I have moved some of the messages around on my talk page and put comments to clear up the misunderstanding with one of the two anon users with the IP that started with 216, who I think is a relative of mine. With two different conversations on my talk page happening at once, it provided the perfect situation for such a thing to happen. Especially when you have people who are unfamilar with Wikipedia. I'll also let the anon I mentioned know your comments weren't meant for him.

I'll lay off the comments on the other anon. I was just quite irriated in terms of what happened. That is exactly why I don't edit on Wikipedia very often anymore. Too much bickering going on. Davidpdx 02:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

oregon/columbia
Is this image an oregon spotted frog or a columbia spotted frog?Noahwoo 03:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Phooey. I got it from here, used to illustrate "Spotted Frog" (Rana pretiosa), and the image name is ft-columbiaspottedfrog.jpg. This article (same image) says R.pretiosa is the Oregon Spotted Frog vs. Rana luteiventris, which is the Columbia Spotted frog, which is "similar". I also note the e-nature website says the image is copyrighted. *sigh* I hate copyright stuff. Are these websites confused or am I? It might be better to lose the images altogether. Katr67 03:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Gail Kimbell shouldn't have been deleted
Katr67, I question why you tagged the page Gail Kimbell for deletion? The information was taken from the U.S. Forest's Service's Web Site: About the Chief. This information is public domain. As stated in the policy for speedy deletion (WP:CSD) there must be "no credible assertion of public domain, fair use, or a free license" for a page's speedy deletion. The problem is, this information was taken from a government website which under the Public domain policy is public domain. It is also stated under the U.S. Forestry Service's Privacy Policy that the information presented on the website is considered public information and "may be distributed or copied unless otherwise indicated". Bottom line, it is not copyrighted material and should not have been deleted. I will also forward this note to the administrator who deleted the page. If I have overlooked something please leave a comment. Thank you, --Cladestine 23:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

template
Thanks for reminding me of that one. I added a couple more to the beginning, but that's as far as I go because they get stinky and NN for a while up to Fouts prior to that. (I had the same issue when I was going to make a Stanford starting QB one.) I'll let a real fan deal with the rest. --Esprqii 00:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool thanks, I thought it seemed a little short. I've had the cleanup for that on my to-do list forever. Now nobody can say I never did anything for my school... Katr67 00:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Chinook salmon
Hi Katr, I have corrected the isbn for the Dynamic Great Lakes and made a page number in text citation. Is all o.k. now?

Barbara Spring —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbaraspring (talk • contribs) 15:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * (Not Kate) Looks OK to me. When I said I fixed it, I put ISBN in all caps, which turns on the wiki magic that links to the book search. I didn't check to see if it went to the right book, so thanks for correcting that. Katr67 17:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I checked the book it went to: it looks correct.  —EncMstr 18:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I checked it after she corrected it. I'm not sure what the issue is now unless it's in user pref settings? Katr67 18:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

corrected text
Hi Katr67

I have corrected the in text citation for Chinook salmon and the ISBN. Now why is there still a question mark?

Barbaraspring 18:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)Barbara Spring


 * I'm sorry, but I really don't know what you're talking about. Do you mean the template below your citation? That has nothing to do with your reference. (and was added before you edited the article) It's referring to the list of references below yours that haven't been linked in the text. If that's not what you're referring to, let me know. Thanks. Katr67 18:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Cave Junction and Oregon Geographic Names
Could you look up Cave Junction in your OGN book? I'm trying to expand the lead, and this is the glaring ommition so far. - Peregrine Fisher 17:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd love to, but I have to finish editing something that has a real world deadline. I might be able to do it tonight if you're lucky, otherwise sometime tomorrow. Katr67 20:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds great, Whenever you have a chance is fine. - Peregrine Fisher 20:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Copy edit request
OK, I think I'm done with Hillsboro, Oregon's GA work. Could you please copy edit it before I nom it, pretty, pretty please. Thanks. Aboutmovies 02:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Man...that thing is sooooo long. OK, I'll think about it. I'll at least run it through Word tonight... Katr67 02:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Katr, I'm happy to work on some of it…say, two or three of the bigger sections. Want to split it up? AM, looks good on a quick skim! -Pete 02:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, let me give it a quick once over first though. Katr67 02:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, no hurry though for either, feel free to take a couple weeks, that'll allow me to return to the old dead guys and find some free map making software. Aboutmovies 02:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, your pick Pete. I need to do something else for a while... Katr67 03:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Tiptoety Rfa
Now you're just pouring salt into the wound. It's obvious this Rfa isn't going to succeed. What's to be gained by continuing this public humiliation of a user who has screwed up but clearly is growing, evolving, and trying to make the project better? It potentially drives a good contributer away and paints you as being highly mean-spirited. Give it some thought. Jeffpw 16:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to humiliate him. He's showed some troubling behavior and that's on him. People seem to think he has loads of ethics and integrity, and I have a couple doubts about that. He does mean well, but he's twice ignored the fact that he seems to have lied about the copyvio material. How he handles the question will be a good indication of his character. I've gotten on his case before. My challenging him hasn't driven him away so far, don't worry. :) He seems like a resilient guy. I trust he will take everything he learns from this Rfa away and improve his editing. Katr67 16:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Mulino
I have two quick question! Is a plaque that is from the national historical society stating that Howard's Grist Mill (or the mill as we call it) is the oldest industrial building still standing in the state of Oregon and the longest running business in one place a reliable source??? The other question is whether or not a journal written by Richard Howard wife is a reliable source???Smileyface 12 91 05:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The plaque might be OK, the journal, probably not. But if you want to go ahead and cite those things in the article, I can take a look at it later. Katr67 00:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That is weired I thought it would be the other way around. Just for future refrence why is it that the dairy of someone who was actually precent when mulino was founded not a reliable sorce??? Smileyface 12 91 10:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Because the diary is a primary source. Have you read WP:RS? Wikipedia encourages the use of third-party secondary sources and itself could be considered a tertiary source. The plaque is ostensibly created by the NRHP and should be accurate, though it would make more sense to find the NRHP nomination and cite that. Katr67 14:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes I have but it has been a while sece I read it last. NRHP is not exactly the easiest cite to navigate and trying to ask them anything is just hard (it was like pulling teeth to put a a porch back on the mill).Smileyface 12 91 02:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Question
Hey I have a question also. I accidentally created a page titled Linfield Review and then realised The Linfield Review was the correct name, and being stupid I just created a second page instead of renaming the first one. I couldnt find in the editor manual how to delete an incorrect page, and was wondering if you could tell me how. Thanks --DerRichter 17:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sike! I guess its gone now.  Nevermind--DerRichter 11:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, someone saw you were the only author and had blanked it. For faster service, next time use db-author, but yeah page moves are the way to go, then the incorrect name will redirect to the correct one. You might go ahead and make a redir now, since other folks are likely to search on the name without the "The". Katr67 15:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

New COTW
Hello again from WikiProject Oregon. A round of applause for the project in October when we added three GAs, one FA, plus 10 DYKs! Next, thanks to all those who participated in last week’s Collaboration of the Week, John Wesley Davis & Johnny Kitzmiller. This week we have the Cayuse War, and in honor of the home opener, the Portland Trail Blazers. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies 18:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Toponym
Are you intentionally declining to vote on that one? If so, carry on…but I'm hoping you'll weigh in, your input into why we made the article to begin with was valuable. -Pete 00:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Nah, I'm trying to figure out how to frame my arguement without resorting to WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS and all those other things they like to shoot down. I mean, if Albania can have a toponym article, why can't we? When does time run out on the Afd anyway? Thanks for the reminder. Katr67 00:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Spidey sense says VERY SOON, but I can never remember these things :) EncMstr just put it very well though, in my humble o. -Pete 01:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I forgot another thing I thought to put in there...  What was it?!  :-) —EncMstr 01:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

For the record, we should have until the 9th (five days from nom). Katr67 19:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Oregon Templates
I would like to change the University of Oregon templates to more deserving colors, however I would like to be directed to the templates that you are refering to as I have only been able to locate one. Thank you. Aplaceicallhome 02:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See Category:Oregon navigational boxes (I count 5, not counting the buildings one, which is in userspace), though I think the green currently matches the "O" logo and the UO website, and that "Thunder Green" and "Lightning Yellow" are the football team colors, not the school colors. I see the Civil War article appears to use the same colors. I won't oppose if you make them all match, but I don't really see the point of changing them. When Nike rebrands the football team, the colors will change again, but green and yellow are always just green and yellow. BTW, are you the same user as Jumpingfrenchman? Katr67 02:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * So I used the Nike terms for the colors, but not only did Nike create Thunder Green and Lightning Yellow, they created the "O". Thus the traditional colors for Oregon have usually been a bright yellow and bright green. And yes I am, I had a very strange sensation to change users, can't really explain it, but it's what I wanted to do Aplaceicallhome 04:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Another RfA Spaming
 Thank you for constructive criticism in my recent RFA which did not pass at (18/27/10). I will be sure to improve my editing skills and wait until someone nominates me next time. Thank you for you comments! Tiptoety 00:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Zombies
It happened 207.6.36.85 23:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh huh. BTW, one more vandal edit and I'll be reporting you at WP:AIV. Cheers! Katr67 23:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Finally
Ok, Katr67, it seems we are finally in agreement. Let's keep it that way. Ryoung122 22:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * OH, FOR CHRISSAKES RYOUNG, WE WERE NEVER IN DISAGREEMENT. Please get over yourself. Katr67 22:57, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Edits like this make it difficult to believe RY received a college degree. Aboutmovies 23:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * He's been indef blocked. Maybe we can get on with the business of writing an encyclopedia now. Katr67 19:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I wonder if we're dealing with somebody's social commentary/art project or something? It really is hard to believe somebody would be that unaware of the basic structure of a discussion in which he was an active participant. -Pete 20:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It could be that, but there's a couple personality disorders that might explain that sort of behavior as well. Katr67 20:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

WPOR's newest COTW
Thank you to all those editors who helped improve Cayuse War and Portland Trail Blazers last week as part of the Collaboration of the Week. They are looking much better. This week, with the election season over, we’ll tackle a request for Oregon Ballot Measure 37 (2004), which should have plenty of WP:RS available to work with on improvement. Our other article is another Stub in the High category, our only Miss America, Katie Harman. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Legal disclaimer: WikiProject Oregon and its affiliates are not liable for any personal injuries acquired while editing on the COTW including but not limited to carpel tunnel syndrome, Wikistress, alcoholism, anxiety attacks, or extreme emotional distress. Aboutmovies 20:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I love kittens
About your edit to Camp Pioneer, MinsiPatches has been attacking a number of pages in response to having a page he favored get AfD'ed. Perhaps I messed up the formatting of the title Eagle Scout in the reversion, but that deosn't justify snarky comments in the Edit Summary. That's generally just bad form. --evrik (talk) 20:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "you may be having a dispute with Minsi, but please don't revert legitimate form and style changes" Sorry if you found that snarky, (I'm having trouble seeing it, to me it seems like a simple statement of fact, so if you can show me how it was snarky, I'd appreciate it) that wasn't my intention. Just pointing out that you shouldn't blanket revert just because you are having a dispute with someone. I'm a copyeditor. It bugs me when good changes get reverted in the midst of other disputes. FWIW, I'm the one who reported the bad-faith noms of Minsipatches to AIV, so it's not like I have any love for him either. Like a couple other people watching that page, I don't agree with you about the fact the article doesn't need more sources, but I'm taking it off my watchlist now because it isn't worth the hassle. Take care. Katr67 21:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It wasn't my intention to drive you off, but I would have appreciated it more had you left me the comment on the talk page rather than in the edit comments. Anyway, have a good day. --evrik (talk) 21:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Re: Your header change: Roffle. :D Katr67 21:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Move of Talk page to Talk Page♥
I have deleted the redirect and reversed the move as you suggested. Did you know that you could have done so yourself? A redirect with no other page history does not block moves by non-admins, so you could just have reversed the move and nominated the strange redirects for deletion. The move became impossible for non-admins to do only after you added the deletion template. Happy editing, Kusma (talk) 07:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I do know that. I attempted to move the page back before I added the template and got the bold red notice that I'd need an admin to help. Thanks though. Katr67 07:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That is strange. Anyway, good that you know, and thank you for helping to undo pagemove vandalism! Kusma (talk) 07:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I was linking to the shortcut to help out a newbie and I always doublecheck I did my links right and there it was. I hope that didn't confuse too many people before it got moved back! Thanks again for your help. Katr67 07:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Oregon COTW version 11.20
Welcome to the jungle folks. Thanks to those who helped out with Katie Harman and Oregon Ballot Measure 37 (2004) last week. This week, we have two high priority stubs, one of the two major hospitals in Legacy Emanuel Hospital & Health Center, and Oregon Department of Education. Enjoy your turkeys, or for some enjoy your tofurkeys. As always, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Images
There's this really cool tool at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/watchflickr.php that searches Flickr for free images based on WP categories and uploads them to commons. I've been running through various Oregon related cats:Oregon; Portland, Oregon; Buildings in Oregon; etc. I highly recommend it,what would take hours now takes minutes. - Peregrine Fisher 17:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Eugene Franklin Skinner
Hi,

It was nice to see your work on EFS on Wiki. I haven't searched for additonal information on him in quite awhile. The picture of the his sculpture was a delight to view.

My mother's maiden name was Helen May Skinner and she is the great-granddaughter of Eugene F. Skinner and I the great-great-grandson.

As my brothers and I were growing up in Oak Grove/Milwaukie, Oregon, my mom was always proud to state her heritage and instilled that in us.

As a child I often visited my grand parents Eugene and Emma Skinner in Eugene and always knew how important it was to them for me to realize my pioneer history.

Pauline Walton a distant cousin, daughter of Judge Walton in Lane County made quite an impression on me. She really carried the family torch. Being the head librarian at U of O put her in a position to keep the family history alive and often in the news. Her diary was donated to the library.

When my mom moved from La Grande to Eugene attending University High School, she stayed with Pauline in the Judge Walton home, now Moreno's Mexican restaurant on E. Broadway. Our family dined there many times over the years. We confirmed much to my mom's delight that the heat vent my mom sat on while doing her homework was still there.

Well I do go on. Anyway, thanks very much for your contribution to the pioneer history of Eugene Franklin Skinner.

Sincerely,

Kenneth W. Darling



—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.154.234 (talk) 19:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! I think Moreno's has changed hands recently and goes by a different name. I have a picture of it I took when I was doing a project on rural Gothic Revival architecture in Eugene...unfortunately it's on a hard drive I can't access right now. I didn't know it was Judge Walton's home (or I had forgotten) I think I just recognized it was Gothic from the center gable and didn't do any research into it... I've also got a shot from a different angle of the Skinner statue. If I end up uploading any of this stuff to Wikimedia Commons I'll let you know. I'll have to check out Judge Walton and see if he needs an article as well. Thanks for writing! Katr67 19:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Found a picture of Moreno's: http://www.historiceugene.com/history.cfm?id=23 Katr67 19:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey Kenneth, if you're still around, I wrote an article on Walton, Oregon. Judge Walton got around. Katr67 17:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Concerning recent: Western Oregon University edits
Hello, I am obviously new to this and do not understand all of the in and outs of this process. As far as gaining permissions to use images specifically Copyright problems with Image:1871 Campbell.jpg(warning body removed) and text from University printed material. The University and the State of Oregon would be considered the copyright holder. I have been given permission through through the PR office and my job description to use a wide range of images as well as text from various printed material like the current catalog which provides excellent paraphrased information. I am also considered a contact concerning the release of printed and online materials for publication. So is it okay for me to give other folks permission to use this, but not use it myself or how do I note that myself or any other individual can act as an representative of the copyright holder (the univ). Also for elements like history, if it is published by the univ is this considered proper documentation or do I need other documentation - the library archives would be the provider.

Concerning conflict of interest. I do work as the web designer and was tasked to update and monitor this page with current information. I have no problem with many of the directions for conflict of interest sense we have very strict rules here about using material for monetary or promotional purposes. Also the individuals making these request will understand these limitations too. It would seem that anybody interested and knowlegable in a specific area would have a conflict of interest in their topic. Many proffesors here edit their areas of special study sometimes using quotes from their or other like minded individuals work. So from what I gathered it is not just a matter of having a possible conflict of interest, but really using the forum to actively promote a view over the stated goals of Wikipedia.

I did notice that there are specific entries on academic departments added by faculty, which I am not free to remove because of perceived academic freedom violations. Would these actually belong in a list or a special feature and how would they document this information (is it better to make the footnote be a link to the material online or in printed format). Also is it proper to link to the current online listing of this information (as a footnote or inline).

I will have to admit so far the easiest way for me to find the correct methods of adding material and making edits is to just go at it and wait until I get a notice with the correct link. The help and user guides are written like the refference pages with too much info on the reasons and very little specific how too examples, and is it my imagination or do the links on copywritten materials take me back and forth to the same pages. Note: I use mostly tech help message boards more than research tools.

Is there a spell check or should I always use firefox with the dictionary plug-in?

I was hoping for an reply to editor button to send this message so hopefully was not placed in the wrong place. thanks Moonpoint 20:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If you were to look at the Encyclopædia Britannica article for Western Oregon University, what would you expect to find? Would you expect odds and ends from the college's recruiting brochures?  Would you expect phone numbers?  Would you expect it to be written by an advocate of the University?  No.  All of those are expected in college recruiting and donor sales materials, but definitely not in an encyclopedia.
 * Rather than getting and documenting copyright permission, it is almost certainly far easier in this case to not copy material which is protected.
 * There is no "reply to editor": It is the work of millions of unpaid, volunteer editors.  Our payment is a job well done—and maybe a little appreciation. —EncMstr 21:50, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I find your writing style hard to follow, but I will try to address all the points you brought up.


 * 1) I'm not the one to whom to explain the copyright of your image. You will need to follow the instructions on the disputed image's page and provide the proper permissions or the image will be deleted. If at any time you're having trouble figuring out the instructions, use the helpme function on your talk page and an editor should be along shortly to help you.


 * 2) I hope that because you are being paid to edit Wikipedia, you have read the COI guidelines carefully. They do not preclude you editing the article, but I think you are beginning to understand their implications.


 * 3) "So is it okay for me to give other folks permission to use this, but not use it myself or how do I note that myself or any other individual can act as an representative of the copyright holder (the univ)."


 * You will need to follow the procedures at WP:COPY to show that you have permission to use the material. Remember that anything posted to Wikipedia (text and images) needs to be able to be used under the GFDL--that is, it needs to be able to copied and widely distributed by anyone outside Wikipedia. However, I'd suggest taking EncMstr's advice and rather than seek permission to use copyrighted material, rewrite the material so it fits our NPOV guidelines.


 * 4) Documentation is provided by citing your sources.


 * 5) "I did notice that there are specific entries on academic departments added by faculty, which I am not free to remove because of perceived academic freedom violations."


 * Are you still referring to the Wikipedia article? I'm not getting how you think these were added by faculty, nor why academic freedom violations would apply here on Wikipedia. At one point you did remove this section, and someone else reverted it, but this is because you did not provide an edit summary explaining why you removed it. Unexplained blanking of content is almost always perceived as vandalism.


 * 6) "Would these actually belong in a list or a special feature and how would they document this information (is it better to make the footnote be a link to the material online or in printed format). Also is it proper to link to the current online listing of this information (as a footnote or inline)."


 * Check out WikiProject Universities for examples of how to handle sections about academic departments. You can also ask your questions on the WikiProject's talk page. Again, you will need to follow the format laid out at WP:CITE. Linking to the current webpage that backs up the facts stated in the article is OK. It would be good to provide outside sources besides the University's webpage, for balance, if any such sources exist.


 * 7) "I will have to admit so far the easiest way for me to find the correct methods of adding material and making edits is to just go at it and wait until I get a notice with the correct link. The help and user guides are written like the refference pages with too much info on the reasons and very little specific how too examples, and is it my imagination or do the links on copywritten materials take me back and forth to the same pages. Note: I use mostly tech help message boards more than research tools."


 * Well, one of the primary tenets of Wikipedia is be bold. However since your attempts at editing were reverted several times, at that point you need to slow down and discover why this is so. If you don't understand what happened to your edits, you need to check the page history and read the edit summaries therein. I'm sorry you find the the user guides confusing and unlike what you are used to. If you need help, there's always helpme, as mentioned above, and also the the Village Pump, where people are available to answer your questions.


 * 8) Wikipedia doesn't have a built in spellcheck. I either copy and paste my articles into a text editor like Word and use the spellchecker there, or when I'm using FireFox as my browser, I use the spellcheck function built into it.


 * 9) Some editors put a link to their talk page in their signature, everyone else, you just click on their user name in their signature and then when you are at their userpage, click on the tab at the top of the page that says "discussion". Yes, you did this correctly.


 * I honestly don't have the patience to explain Wikipedia policies any better or more succinctly than the policy and guideline pages to which I have linked. Please use the help resources I have mentioned above. Katr67 18:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I completely agree with Katr67. Spend an hour or two reading the guidelines at WP:MOS, WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NOT, and WP:COI.  Does an hour of reading seem like too much?  Consider how much time you've already wasted.  Once those make sense, you should understand where we're coming from. —EncMstr 18:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Copywrite
What needs to be done to verify that permission has been granted from the copywrite holder? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huggler (talk • contribs) 23:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Read this about copyright: WP:COPY. However, its much better for the project if the material is written in your own words, using several outside sources. Like I said, Wikipedia isn't here to provide a duplicate of the state's website. Katr67 23:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Fort Vancouver article
I've added quite a bit on the McLoughlin house (less info on the Barclay House)... and I'm thinking that there is enough material for a separate article. My thought is that Fort Vancouver National Historic Site be kept kind of small; and link to Fort Vancouver (and possibly Officers Row), and new articles on the McLoughlin House and Barclay House (the former currently redirs back to Fort Vancouver National Historic Site). The fact that the McLoughlin House was apparently a brothel during the late 1800s is a good WP:DYK hook. Oregon History Project has lots of good material. Let me know what you think. --EngineerScotty 00:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I made Dr. Forbes Barclay House, the full NRHP name, redir there too. I should go out in the big blue room for a while, but I'll take a look later. I like separate articles myself... Katr67 00:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Carpenter Gothic
Thanks for your help in removing the Carpenter's Gothic novel stuff from this article. I was trying to straighten this out so that there would be an article on Carpenter Gothic architecture. Originally Carpenter Gothic redirected to a section of Gothic Revival architecture. (You have taken care of the Main article reference there, for which I thank you also.) I found the original Carpenter's Gothic article which had the novel stuff added into it and today merged it into Carpenter Gothic. I was trying to figure out what to do the the novel stuff when you solved the problem. Many thanks. My interest in Carpenter Gothic arises from my long time membership in an 1898 Carpenter Gothic church in Florida. I'd appreciate any help you can to give in expanding this article. clariosophic 14:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! I'm the one who originally made the redirect, so thanks for making a long-overdue article. I've got a paper I wrote that I can use to fill out the article if the refs are good enough. (i.e. I can make sure it isn't original research) There's a whole intro I wrote on Downing, et al. I've got a ton of images too, but right now they're on a hard drive I can't access. There's one crappy pic on my userpage--that house was built from a pattern book. I have a thing for board and batten siding, center gables and the "Western Farmhouse" vernacular version you see a lot out here, but I also love the really frilly versions. I'll go see what else I have for pictures--none as gorgeous as that Ohio place though--yow! Katr67 15:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the house in Eugene looks pretty good. I like its simplicity. I put it in the gallery as I'm sure you've seen. I've put some stuff in my sandbox on churches in Cove, Oregon and Metuchen, New Jersey. I'm trying to get some idea of the regional extent of C.G. buildings. I'm also wondering about the time frame starting before 1840. Look at St. Mary's Episcopal Church and Cemetery (Newton Lower Falls) built in 1814 and check out the pictures on its website. Let me know what you think. Thanks again. clariosophic 01:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Eek! Thanks. I went back and cropped it a bit. Those churches in Cove and NJ are just lovely--I had no idea there was such a place in li'l ol' Cove. The wooden buttresses are something else. My paper focuses on the Pacific Northwest, but I'll see if I mentioned the regional extent--I think there are examples all over the U.S., with concentrations in certain places. The pattern book thing really helped to spread them around. St. Mary's is interesting--IANAAH (I am not an art historian) but I'd say it isn't CG. Its more like a vernacular Federal architecture-type thing with Gothic touches--it's funny the shape is so squat and then it has the very fancy high Gothic detailing. You'll see I added another blurry pic. If the weather stays nice I can go get this one. I've got Field Guide to American Houses (ISBN 0394739698) so I can add some info from there as well. It's nice to know there are other CG enthusiasts on the wiki! Cheers, Katr67 02:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Arago and Cape Arago
I was wondering if we should add Arago and Cape Arago to the List of cities and unincorporated communities in Oregon that I noticed you were helping to tidy up. When I looked at the list I noticed that Arago wasn't on it, and I recalled that most of the old timers from Myrtle Point knew where Arago was, as if it was a generally accepted place. Maybe there just aren't enough people living there now. I remember taking drives to Arago with my father when I was very young, though I can't recall why we went. I know there is a page for the Cape Arago Light, but I thought perhaps Cape Arago itself should be noted as an unincorporated place or have a page as a place of interest. I'll have to search for citation materials for each place of course. Thanks, Permalearning 01:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There are hundreds of places not on that list. At this point, it's probably best to add new ones only if we write an article on them. I write new ones when I can, but often I do better if someone starts a stub and then I'll add what I can from Oregon Geographic Names. Arago, Oregon, used to have a post office, but now their mail is addressed to Myrtle Point, according to the USPS. OGN doesn't say anything about a Cape Arago post office, so it is a landform, but not a populated place. Feel free to start an article or two, but I would urge you to study the Wikipedia Manual of Style and how to cite your sources. At minimum, each paragraph of an article should have an in-line citation. This makes it easier for future editors to add to the article. Don't worry if you don't get the format quite right, others can tidy up if a citation at least has the title of the work, the author, the publisher, the URL if there is one, etc. Thanks and welcome to WikiProject Oregon! Katr67 15:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Triple sec
Aren't you just a DYK away yourself? Just start a nice 2,000+ character article on a beautiful, little, vibrant, historic, and wonderful hamlet nestled amongst meadows, brooks, streams, and stunnily clear lakes where fine living and friendly people come together to make a community. It touches my heart just thinking about it right now. I need a tissue. Aboutmovies 03:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

OGN?
Could you check to see if either Cornelius Gilliam or Thomas R. Cornelius is the namesake for Cornelius Pass? Thank you. Aboutmovies 07:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately it doesn't say. I'd assume it's T.R. though. Doesn't that silly McMenamins have a history pamphlet on it? We should compile a list for McArthur for things to include in the 8th edition. Katr67 15:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd pick TR out of the two as well, but there are some other non-notable Cornelius named folk that could also be the namesake. The McMenamins brouchere didn't help. Thanks for checking. Aboutmovies 19:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was thinking it could be a TR relative, or named for the family in general. But I bet there's some connection with TR, since he was in the general area. BTW, I got a book on the Yakama War, with some mention of the Cayuse, but I'm not convinced of its scholarship. There sure are a lot of self-published history books out there. Oy. Katr67 19:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

new articles
Since you're so good at finding these tools, do you know of a tool that can give you a list of all the articles you have created? --Esprqii 18:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey Esprqii. I don't. Did you check the link I posted on the WPOre page with the list--did they explain how they did it? When I've tried to check for mine, I just through my mainspace contribs by hand 500 at a time and search for the word "new", because most of the time I put that word, and somtimes "create". It's a pain though. I'll see if there's some way to do it in the Special pages. Katr67 18:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There's this, but it doesn't go back very far: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Newpages&namespace=0&username=Katr67&limit=500&offset=0 As you can tell, I've been slacking lately. Katr67 18:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that looks like it gives you a month's worth or so. I have not been one to list all my articles on my user pages, but I was just curious. Let me know if you stumble across something. --Esprqii 18:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC) (P.S. I don't know about you, but I finished off several bags of popcorn in the past week watching the whole supercentenarian saga. It had everything: drama, pain, comedy, and a great ending!)
 * I loved it. It was much better than Cats. I want to see it again and again. I laughed, I cried, Smartfood started a franchise in my house, and I have to reset my civility meter. C'est la vie... Katr67 18:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome! (belated response)
Hi Katr67,

Thank you so much for the warm welcome to Wikipedia. As you surmised, my creating a user account and editing the Volga Germans page was very job-related. A colleague and I were charged with investingating Wikipedia after the article about the University of Washington appeared in D-Lib. I had contacted one of the authors and she told me about the controversy of adding the links and that was included in our investigation. One option she suggested for legitimately adding a link to any of our digital collections to a Wikipedia article was to add real content and to use the digital collections as a reference for that content. Although this is a little more time consuming than just adding an external link, I can see the value--now to see if our administrator's perceive the value vs. the resources necessary to do this.

Colorado State University is investing heavily in digital collections. Why? Because we have a wealth of primary research materials that we want to make available to the scholarly and learning community. Two of our digital collections, The International Poster Collection and the Carnations and the Floriculture Industry collection were previously linked to the Posters and Carnations articles in Wikipedia, and we found that we did have a significant number of referrals to our collections from Wikipedia. We found that exciting! It meant that our resources are at least being accessed (if not really used--little way to determine that) based on people using Wikipedia. You know, I'm not sure I understand the full set of objections to these library-collections links (maybe I am missing something and you can enlighten me--that would be awesome!). We know that students access Wikipedia when given research assignments--to me that is little different than pulling for the Encyclopedia Brittanica when beginning research on a topic. Ideally, they would then delve further, using secondary and primary resources to continue their research, and the references and external links from to 'more authoritative' sources would be the next responsible, logical step. I view adding external links, or in the case of the Volga Germans article, content and a reference, as helping these students, whether they are elementary, secondary, or higher-ed students. Oh well. Thank you for not being critical of what I did. I will be meeting with some of the higher-ups here at CSU Libraries to see if they want to pursue finding legitimate ways to use Wikipedia to direct students and other interested individuals to authoritative sources of information.

It is very interesting to hear that you are descended from Germans from Russia. Of course, here in Colorado, there are many, but practically every time I demonstrate the site, or talk about it, someone in the audience (usually a library-related conference of some type) comes up to me to say that they are descended from a German from Russia. I, on the other hand, and just descended from plain old Germans (my Grandmother's maiden name was Kaiser until they changed it to Keyser during WWI!).

Anyway, I ramble on. Again, thank you for the welcome. And if you should see me doing something 'wrong' or inappropriate, by all means, let me know. I have personal interests that might spark adding/editing articles in Wikipedia, and I certainly don't want to get on anyone's wrong side!

Cheers!

Nancy Hunter 19:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Blossoming Lotus
Hi. I added the book back into the article as it is both about the restaurants and the food they serve. I agree with you about the duplicate external link, and I've removed it. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 23:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Happy editing. Katr67 23:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * BTW, I appreciate you keeping an eye on the article. There are some strange, woo woo claims on their website. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 23:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I see a need to rewrite the article to meet your criticism. Thanks, again. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 02:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bugging you, but I just wanted to give you an update. I'm still working on the rewrite (haven't done much yet), but I did want to take a quick glance at WP:CORP and get your opinion. From what I can tell, the Blossoming Lotus has been the subject of coverage in multiple, reliable secondary sources independent of the organization. And while their activities are local in scope, verifiable information from reliable independent sources is easily obtained, and the book has increased this local scope internationally. The paperback version was just released, BTW. Another thing I found interesting is that the San Francisco Chronicle calls the restaurant "world-famous", which in many ways is true, as the majority of their customers consists not of local Hawaiians, but of tourists from all over the world, many of whom return again and again. There's also a small, but significant Indian clientele who make a habit of visiting the Blossoming Lotus in addition to Kauai's Hindu Monastery, and the temple even promotes the restaurant on their website. This may also explain the glowing review in Hinduism Today. outdated link removed Anyhoo, back to the article... &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 03:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I hope you don't mind that I sent our resident expert on business articles to check it out. It's looking very good now--thanks for all your hard work! I love it when people actually show, not just tell about their subject's notability! Take care, Katr67 (talk) 15:50, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Image resolution
Hello Katr67. I noticed that you changed the resolution of the thumbnail of the panoramic picture I uploaded on the Wallowa Mts article. I decided to browse around and I couldn’t find any stated policy regarding which resolution to use in wikipedia, or which is preferred Help:Contents/Images and media. Actually, if you take a look at the article on panoramic photography you’ll see a picture that stretches all the way out of the viewing area, even when you use a 1280x1024 resolution. Now, I had the pictures in the article “optimized” in such a way that their frames would align on a resolution of 1024x768, something that I find “elegant” (a subjective point of view of course) but having in mind that it is the most used resolution format (I’d rather have it in 1280x1024, which is the resolution I normally use). Because of that I’m reverting the changes. As you state in your page, I’m assuming that you made them in good faith, so no harm done. It’s good to know that there’s a wikiproject on Oregon, I hope I can keep on contributing. PV --Fbolanos 19:49, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed it, as I stated in my edit summary in the page history because in the browser I was using, the image overlapped with another image. Image layout has to be optimal for all browsers. Generally, it is preferred not to override people's thumb size preferences by assigning a pixel size to the image, but since I could see your image would be unappreciated at thumb size, I went ahead and made it just slightly smaller and moved it to the left. Your preferred way also leaves a great deal of white space and dominates what is a rather short article, which isn't ideal. BTW WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a particularly good argument for doing something. A centered caption isn't standard either. I won't revert again, but I am going to point a couple more editors who are more experienced with image layout to this discussion. Thanks. Katr67 20:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There was some intense discussion about a year ago for WP:MOS. Overriding thumb size preferences is considered unfriendly.  I've formatted the image in Wallowa Mountains hopefully to address both your concerns.  —EncMstr 20:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Oregon Book Award
Thanks for your help with this as well. I've been reading Le Guin's Searoad and was surprised to see that we had nothing on the awards. I think it'll also be useful in helping the WikiProject locate notable Oregon authors that are yet to have an article. (And for that matter provide a resource for finding good local reading material.) Owen 21:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think that would be very appropriate. It's certainly detailed enough. Although there isn't even an article on the book itself at this point. Owen 21:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

House
That House picture looks just like a house I have seen in downtown Silverton. It might be worth the trip to check it out —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fitzgerw (talk • contribs) 19:19, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you know the name of the house or the address? A house similar to that ought to be on the National Register. I haven't been to Silverton in ages--you're right I should go check it out. But you should also see the backlog of image uploads I've got right now. Thanks for the tip. Katr67 19:24, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

chez crum
I'm sure you'll notice that I made a Maurice Crumpacker House page soon enough...please feel free to add any additional NRHP fancy stuff that I was not aware of.

(Oh, and the picture is kinda crappy because I am obviously not brave enough to be a full-on NRHPer. I thought an open house was balloons and signs and nice old ladies waiting for my arrival; but this was just a big ol' house with no clear indication of open housiness and no one around. So I was chicken and just snapped the pic from my car before driving off. Oh well. I have a good pic of the plaque if you think that would add to the article.) --Esprqii 00:54, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, you're almost as much of a nervous wreck as the 'Pack himself! ;) Nice pic, though. -Pete 06:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * (Heh, Pete) Oh that's a nice little cottage. I don't think the pic is bad at all. Yeah, sometimes you can tell who is really into sharing the historicness of their house and who is just in it for the tax break. I went to Garfield School (now offices) here in town when there was supposedly an open house and nobody was around. It was spooky, but I prowled around anyway. Not brave enough to knock on any doors and demand the full tour though. If you can catch a historic district group open house thing that's better. The one I went to ranged from people who printed out history fliers, gave you the run of the house, had blueprints out and would let you talk to them about their Pietro Belluschi remodel and their pocket doors, to people who ask you put blue booties on your feet, to people with hot apple cider and piles of hors d'oeuvres. Even people who no longer get the tax break will open their homes sometimes. The plaque pic would be good too (mine never come out very well). We'll turn you into an NRHPer yet... Katr67 15:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Double heh to Pete...yes, I was tempted to throw myself into Tryon Creek, but I persevered. Anyhoo, I posted the plaque here: Image:Crumpacker NRHP.jpg. My only concern is that it shows the address, but hey, that's public domain info, so suck on that, tax break junkies who don't offer cookies! I'll try to incorporate into the article later, unless one of youse beat me to it. --Esprqii 16:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Follow up on open houses: Well this month I got a nice tour from the owner of Grand Theater (Salem, Oregon) (and a frustrating amount of fascinating original research I can't use), found another place (city block of businesses and apartments) wasn't open on the day stated and their "open house" was moved to a different day and seemed to be a holiday sales event. I checked out one private home but this was one of the times it felt weird. Beautiful woodwork though. Imbrie Farm's open house is coming up next month, not sure if it matters since it's open to the public anyway? I'll post more on the project page. Katr67 17:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Manx Ancestry
Hi, I knew I couldn't have been the only one. An actual Manx person, now that would be a find—they're seldom seen on the internet. Do you ever plan on going? Even if you were in the UK, it could be difficult to manoeuvre a visit but it's a great place Yohan euan o4 (talk) 13:14, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Not too bad, I suppose. There's an airport, but the flights going there are fairly infrequent. Catching a ferry would probably be the best idea.

1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack

 * Thanks for the copyedits and such so far! I see you are part of WikiProject Oregon, what do you think of the article?  Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 21:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC).
 * I'm in the middle of reading (and editing) it right now...so far so good. Katr67 (talk) 21:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. As it looks like you are only doing minor edits so far, feel like giving it a GA review?  Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 21:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC).
 * Fascinating article. Thanks for writing it, and for having it show up on my watchlist! :-P Jeffpw (talk) 21:54, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, my pleasure, thanks for the compliments! How did it show up on your watchlist, out of curiosity?  Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 21:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC).

I think Jeff may be watching my page since a previous conversation? ;) Katr67 (talk) 22:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, whatever, I'm just please someone likes the new article. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 22:09, 18 November 2007 (UTC).


 * Do you think it would be appropriate if I expanded on the plot to murder the Oregon Attorney General in the Investigation section, or keep the entire article tight to the bioterror plot? Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 22:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC).
 * Curt, I'm not prepared to give a full on GA, review, but I did notice two things. First, the community in Antelope is referred to as both "Rajneeshpuram" and as "Rancho Rajneesh", which may be confusing to readers, and should be made consistent or explained. Also, I didn't see any access dates for the web citations. I'm not sure if it matters for GA, but I know people mention it at FA. I mentioned the article on the WikiProject Oregon page, and one of our members likes to do GA reviews of Oregon stuff, so hopefully he'll come take a look. Other than that, it seems like a fair and balanced summary of what was an incredibly charged issue back in the day. Good job and good luck! Katr67 (talk) 22:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestions, I will go back and keep the reference to the location uniform throughout the article, and check to make sure there are access dates for web cites. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 22:27, 18 November 2007 (UTC).
 * ✅ - Replaced all instances of "Rancho Rajneesh" with "Rajneeshpuram".
 * ✅ - I double-checked, and all cites that have urls, also have accessdates noted in the citations. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 22:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC).


 * Re:Murder plot. Hmm. Good question. I think keeping the article focused on the bioterror plot would be best, and depending on how much material you have, either start a new article or add the info to Charles Turner's as yet nonexistent article. I bet one of our WPORE politicos could whip up an article pretty quickly if need be. Katr67 (talk) 22:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's sort of along the lines of what I was thinking. I think it has enough sources for its own separate article, apart from Charles Turner, though that would be a good one to create as well at some point.  Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 22:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC).
 * Posted a new comment about the potential for new article Charles Turner (attorney), at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Oregon. If anyone bites and leaves me a message on my talk page saying they're interested, I will try to create the article with info from as many sources as possible.  Eh, now that my curiosity is piqued I might try to create the article anyway if no one else voices interest, we'll see.  Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 09:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC).


 * I'm starting work on the Charles Turner (attorney) article. But I was thinking that the assassination plot by the Rajneeshees (of which seven were eventually convicted) will take up a good chunk of the article on Charles Turner.  I know that there are enough sources for this to be its own article, just not sure what to title it.  What do you think?  Rajneeshee plot to assassinate the U.S. Attorney for Oregon seems kind of long.  I'm really not sure which way to go on this, or whether to just have it be a disproportionately larger portion of the Charles Turner article.  Somehow I think it'd be more appropriate as its own article.  Message my talk page and let me know, if you get a chance.  Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 10:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC).
 * Nevermind, I figured out a good title for the article, which will be purely about the assassination plot. I'll have to create an article on Charles Turner later on.  Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 12:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC).

Smegma
Katr67, There are only 2 members left in the band, Ju Suk and Oblivia. The other members have been removed or told they are no longer needed. Check any listings for their shows, Dr. Id no longer plays with them or records them. The drummer was dismissed. And the rubber band guy has some medical problems. Anyway, as a long-time fan, 2 members of a band do not make the band. Sadly, it is no longer. Slosssssss —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sloss (talk • contribs) 22:28, November 18, 2007
 * That's great you know all that, but we still need citations for it. See WP:CITE and WP:RS for help. Without reliable sources, unfortunately it is original research. I imagine as underground as they are the breakup will get written about in a publication somewhere, but it might take a while? Unfortunately I actually have little interest in the band itself (except that I'm fascinated by how long they've been around and wonder what their real names are), I just tried to save the article from the axe since I knew it was notable. The only thing like that I'm into is Negativland. Cheers, Katr67 (talk) 22:45, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Just wanted to say thanks, a couple of times I've made a hash of things and you've cleaned it up! Awotter (talk) 05:06, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, though I don't recall doing much. I know it's sometimes annoying when someone comes along and mercilessly edits your work, so it's good to know it's appreicated! Cheers! Katr67 (talk) 15:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Rfc
Huh, it's interesting where your name will show up sometimes. Although it's probably true that I don't have much of an opinion about their debate. Owen (talk) 00:38, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!
How ya doin'? Where you at? :-) -- Finngall  talk  19:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Shhh. I'm hiding from the Meepits. Katr67 (talk) 19:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

WPORE Civil War COTW
Hello again to WikiProject Oregon members, time for this week’s Collaboration of the Week. Thank you to those who helped out improving Legacy Emanuel Hospital & Health Center and Oregon Department of Education last week. This week, in honor of the annual Civil War, we have the University of Oregon Ducks and the Oregon State University Beavers. Or if you attended some other school, feel free to improve your alma mater’s article. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

COTW Award for you

 * 'Twernt much, but thank you! Katr67 (talk) 19:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Katr67 - I have a question on an edit.
Hello,

I am writing to discuss my submission of the "Nathaniel Berg" bio. I see that it is repeatedly flagged as questionable in the area of "notability". I submitted Mr. Berg's bio based on his contribution to the community of Guam. Mr. Berg has introduced current radiology equipment to Guam. This is notable because, in the past, Guam health care patients thought they had to seek radiology tests off island because of the state of disrepair or mismanagement of radiology equipment at the one and only civilian hospital on Guam. He has been a staunch proponent of improving the overall health care system of Guam. Guam is set to receive nearly 8,000 U.S. Marines over the next five years. They will bring with them approximately 9,000 dependents and possibly 30,000 foreign workers as a result of needed infrastructure upgrades. Given the upcoming increase to the existing population of 150,000 Berg emphasizes the need for accountability in the governance of Guam's health care system. Berg is consistently sought out by members of Guam's media for his opinion on public health care and medical issues. Berg also hosts a radio talk show. He is a medical correspondent for the ABC Pacific News Center. Berg's tenacity for accountability in Guam's public health care system and at Guam's civilian hospital has earned him recognition in Guam's GU magazine. I am only aware of who he is because of his appearances in the media and his endeavor to be a watchdog of government and public healthcare. What must be done to ensure his name is not flagged for questionable notability? Please let me know. You can e-mail me at 

Thank you,

Buffradio —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buffradio (talk • contribs) 07:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You don't need to tell me about his notability, you need to show it in the article. Did you click on the "notability" bluelink in the template in question? That will give you some guidelines. Currently none of the references used in the article establish his notability. Please take a look at WP:NOTE and WP:BIO for examples of what "significant coverage" from reliable sources means. The bottom line is, you may think he is notable, and perhaps he is notable, but if his article doesn't show his notability with the proper references, by Wikipedia standards, he's not notable. I see there is a WikiProject Micronesia, you might ask them for help, since they may be more familiar with the scope of Guam news media and what would be notable on a Micronesian level. I hope that helps. Katr67 (talk) 11:10, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm
OK, so I was looking at again and was thinking of cool wordings like, this user carries an Ax and knows how to use it. Then I was thinking, we have a bearded man with an ax and a tarp on the roof of our capital, are we trying to promote serial killers as a state? Aboutmovies (talk) 21:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL Now who's been hitting the brownies, hmmm? Katr67 (talk) 21:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Reub Long article
Katr67: Got tagged with "tone" violation on Reub Long article. Presume referring to subject as "Reub" (vice "Long") trigger clean-up note. Checked writing guide before submitting article--while it says tone should be formal, it also says articles "should follow tone used by reliable sources." Every source I found (including OPB and Oregon Historical Society) introduced this subject as "Reub Long" (never "Reuben" Long) and then referred to him as "Reub" thoughout their text--don't recall a single exception. In any case, I thought about this up front--i.e. whether to be formal or follow the sources' tone. What do you suggest in case like this? My vote is to follow sources--their the experts after all. Also, article got "unknow importance" tag. Here's my thought on that--anybody who's life is interesting enough to be highlighted in OPB special 30 years after their death is worth capturing in wikipedia.--Orygun (talk) 04:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, he can have any old nickname he wants. The tone issues are apparent in the lead: "one of Eastern Oregon’s most colorful characters. During his life time, he did nothing more than be himself. However, that was enough to become known throughout Oregon as a witty and wise cowboy philosopher. Even today, long after his death, Rueb Long remains the guardian spirit of Oregon's desert country." All of that is terribly POV as are words like "inhospitable" and "truly a unique book". Basicially the article reads more like a human interest story in a newspaper, not an encyclopedia article. If you need help, I can rewrite it, but I thought I'd tag it and give you the chance first. The "unknown importance" is a function of WPORE's Assessement subproject. It was unknown because I added the tag without assigning any assessment ratings. You can see that Aboutmovies assessed it as "Low", which is about right. In the grand scheme of things in Oregon, his article is of low importance. It's nothing personal or a critique of his notability. I hope this helps. Katr67 (talk) 17:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Katr67: Made changes you suggested. Hopefully, article has right tone now. If there's anything else to fix let me know. Thanks for your help!--Orygun (talk) 02:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It is much better now, thanks. Oh and please be careful, your revisions reverted a couple WP:MOS form and style edits I had made. Katr67 (talk) 18:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Another humorous item
Didn't know if you had seen this. It might even be true. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

@ Large Films Page
Hey Katr67. I believe you are the person editing my article about the @Large Films National Commercial Production Company within Portland, OR. I believe I edited everything needed and added some sources to verify my information. Does it need anymore cleaning up and/or editing. Please let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosondra (talk • contribs) 18:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You don't need to believe, you can be sure by looking at the page history! Sorry not to get back to you right away, but as EncMstr said, please be careful about removing tags from articles. I'll take a look now. Katr67 (talk) 18:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Second opinion request
Utah Italians‎. First of all, the title should probably be "Italians in Utah", but the whole idea just feels wrong. Would any in Oregon articles be justifiable, for instance? Thanks. -- Finngall talk  23:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Interesting question. I found this: German Texan, so the concept is not without precedent. I'd agree the article needs renaming (and more sources!). Since I think of Utah as being uniformly LDS, other demographics there might be quite notable, I'd wait and see how it turns out. If it's a bunch of loosely strung together people if Italian descent, I'd say it's not justifiable, but if there was a cohesive Italian presence in Utah at some point, it would be OK. I could imagine that Japanese in Oregon, Chinese in Oregon and Basque in Oregon might be viable articles, for various reasons, and the more recent Russian Old Believers immigrants might also be. Manx in Oregon? Not so much. :) Katr67 (talk) 23:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

wildernesses
Thanks for cleaning up and polishing in my wake. What a great gnome you are! —EncMstr 20:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for helping out with Woodburn Company Stores‎. As you noticed, things are rather messy with the article. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I peeked. Looks scary in there. Despite the mess, and the fact that I hate malls, I think something might be salvageable... I even tried to find a better image, but Image:Woodburn Company Stores Woodburn, Oregon.JPG this one isn't much more representative. Katr67 (talk) 21:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it might be salvageable, too, but not being anywhere near Woodburn, it's hard for me to contribute. I'm glad that you brought it up to the WikiProject.  As for a better photo, the place looks like any other mall with nothing particularly distinctive about it so I think finding a good photos is going to be difficult. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's actually a huge big deal around here--people drive from miles around to shop there. It's done up to look like some sort of woodsy folksy village motif, I'm not sure how widespread that look is. It's slightly more interesting than a strip mall, I guess, but I'm no judge. Katr67 (talk) 21:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

AWB help
Thanks I appreciate your input. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 00:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Da Duck
Thanks for breaking that out. I suppose I should check on Benny Beaver. That whole Oregon Ducks article is just a mess though. Sigh.

The other thing I was thinking that would be nice for this CW week would be a UO template like this: Template:OSUtemplate I dunno. Maybe those are kinda dumb. Anyway, in case you didn't have anything better to do. I don't know enough about the actual, like, school part of the University to do that. Me just watch sports. --Esprqii (talk) 01:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I hope that was the right thing to do, since it appears The Duck doesn't really have an official name. Benny Beaver is OK, except the image is on the wrong side, but apparently my input about that wasn't welcome, so whatever. But watch out for this guy. But yeah the Ducks article is a total mess. I'm going to try to just concentrate on the main article though, and know exactly why I've avoided working on any of this for so long. I wish akendall was still around. Templates are cool when they show up, but I'm not too into making them, and besides my college experience was atypical. I'll be sure to crib a bunch of other ideas from OSU though. Actually I was looking at the FA university articles and both Oregon schools have a long way to go... Katr67 (talk) 02:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I think you did the right thing. It needs an article and can always be renamed. Yeah, I set the image side right first thing after reading the history. We'll see if that's still an issue. I'm gonna clean that one up some more later. --Esprqii (talk) 03:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Related topic: The UO building template is now collapsed. I hope no one was injured. Also, since you are familiar with the campus, is the "LLC Lillis Business Complex" part missing a seperator dot? It looks like it is, but I've only been to Autzen, McArthur, and the law school on campus so my familiarity is rather low. Thanks. Aboutmovies 06:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I do so approve of using the official nomenclature from the UO style manual, which is my bible for all things UOy. --Esprqii 00:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Gotta practice what we preach. Besides, some of my hard-earned student loan funds went for them cranking out that style guide, so I had better get my money's worth. It's sad the duck doesn't really have a name though. I guess anything more specific than "The Duck" would bum out the Disney folk... Katr67 01:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Dept. Planning, Public Policy and Management...
Katr67, I saw that you redirected the content for my contribution. I understand you are a volunteer and volunteer capacity is what makes wikipedia happen. I do view this as a good thing.

I actually work for the University of Oregon's PPPM department and I was asked to make this page. When you redirected the link, the page you redirected it to (University of Oregon) does not actually provide much of the information that is in the article. The big reason for this is because people do not really know what our department does and this page was a starting point to provide basic information for our organization.

To be honest, this whole process is quite interesting to me. I like the collaborative component, but I don't feel that your essential deletion of the page was very collaborative. Please write me back with your thoughts on this.

-Omar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omarortizmercado (talk • contribs) 20:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, you were asked to write the article. OK, first of all, read about our conflict of interest guidelines, and also our business FAQ, some of which also applies. Please also check out what Wikipedia is not. In a nutshell, you have to be very careful when creating articles about things in which you are involved, especially if you are getting paid to edit those articles, as Wikipedia is not here to provide free advertising space for your department. The article as it stands doesn't really offer anything new as far as an encyclopedia article. In other words, it pretty much seems like an advertisement for the program. If you can establish the notability of the program using reliable, third-party sources, then the article might be a viable one. Sources such as the Register-Guard, peer-reviewed journals, The Oregonian, and the like are all good. As it stands, however, I just nominated it for deletion. If you think you can get the article up to Wikipedia standards, feel free to try to improve it. Otherwise, it would probably be best to add a short description of the program to the University of Oregon article, which I honestly had planned to do at some point. As an aside, the article title is very ambiguous and if it is kept, we'll have to move it. I'm sure there are other similarly named management programs. Sorry if you feel my efforts were uncollaborative. Katr67 21:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

FA for WPORE COTW
Greetings boys and girls from the fine folks at The Wettest Place on Earth! A thank you to those who helped last week make some good improvements on the U of O and OSU OS articles. For this week, the next stub on the list is Fortune 1000 company Lithia Motors, Inc. way down south in Dixie, which only needs a little added to make it to Start. The other is a bit more of a challenge, but Linus Pauling I believe is our only Nobel Prize winning Oregonian, and a former FA. So hopefully we can get it back to FA, check the talk page’s article history template for comments. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies 20:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

MAMS
I understand the concept of merging a middle school article into a larger article, but in the case of Mount Angel Middle School, what's the point of "merging" it into a non-existant article? All that does is rename it; there's no article into which to merge it. It just doesn't make any sense to me so I wanted to ask in case I was missing something... VigilancePrime 20:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm creating the article right now... Katr67 20:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

and a happy (colorful) first day of advent to you too!
Aw shucks, and I didn't get *you* anything. --Esprqii (talk) 22:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You could gift wrap some consensus... Katr67 (talk) 22:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, why do they keep &%$#@ing with the user sigs? Is it going to have a link to talk or not? Katr67 (talk) 22:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know, but you're freaking me out with the synchronicity. Do you have the missing half of my locket, too? --Esprqii (talk) 22:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it must have something to do with my secret decoder ring. Katr67 (talk) 23:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Question about repeated Vandalism to "Environment California" page
Hey there! Are you an administrator? Perhaps you can help out here. Some guy has been repeatedly erasing "Environment California". It apears this is an employee of that group and keeps reverting to an old p.r. stub. User "Christopher Mann McKay" is already being blocked for 48 hours for edit warring on another page, apears to have a long history of this and will not respond to reason.

Thank You for helping! Jimmihoffa (talk) 02:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Jimmihoffa


 * Nope, I'm not an admin, and I don't wish to get involved in what appears to be a content dispute. The version you prefer seems to be full of unsourced POV and gives undue weight to criticism of the organization. Though the user in question's approach isn't the best, I can understand why he is using it. Either attempt to dialogue on the article's talk page (I note there is very little conversation happening there), report the disruption at WP:AN3RR (only if there has been a WP:3RR violation) or attempt to bring the article up to Wikipedia standards using citations to reliable sources. Having canvassed for OSPIRG many years ago, I would say the truth y'all are trying to represent lies somewhere in the middle. The page shouldn't be a grievance page for former workers of the organization. Good luck. P.S. I see several of you who are working on that page are signing your posts with the name and/or date after the ~, but all you have to do is type the 4 tildes and the name and date will be added automatically. Katr67 (talk) 17:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * P.P.S. Good advice was also provided here. Katr67 (talk) 17:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Jimmihoffa = Portlandy = IP contribs at Environment California?
Something to think about if you make that sockpuppet report. There are also reverts to from IP addresses that, via WHOIS, trace back to Portland State University. , specifically, is the one I checked. It's too weak to warrant a checkuser request, IMHO, but it's food for thought. —C.Fred (talk) 22:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll AGF until then, and see if s/he will explain. Katr67 (talk) 22:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm still AGF myself, but the recent apperance of seems to be a very curious coincidence. —C.Fred (talk) 23:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I'll keep an eye out. Katr67 (talk) 23:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I preempted you, but I noticed that the edits all point back to yet another user, User:Richprentice. I think four accounts plus IP edits plus abusive notes on talk pages is pushing good faith a touch far. Orpheus (talk) 00:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's quite all right, and I agree about Prentice as well. Check my recent contribs for several PSU and one OHSU IPs that I have tagged if you haven't caught all those. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 00:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

(unindent) This diff links the OHSU IP with Jimmihoffa. Disruptive edits also include Environment Oregon. Katr67 (talk) 00:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

School stubs
I'm stub-sorting articles, such as Grants Pass School District, if you don't mind. Bearian (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Why should I mind? Though Oregon-school-stub does the work of the two stubs you've added in that case. Am I missing something? Katr67 21:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and merge the Drouhin-related articles
I've no objection at all.

--EngineerScotty (talk) 00:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Kidnaped
Re: Just so you know, "kidnaped" was the preferred American spelling from the 1800s up until the 1980s. It's still how I spell it. I noticed the edit, but I don't normally bother to revert spelling changes. It was probably just some old guy like me that noticed what he thinks of as a spelling error.Kww (talk) 00:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Oregon COTW #25 (or so)
Hello again from the COTW of WikiProject Oregon. We thank ye who went forth through the rain and mud and helped out with last week’s articles Lithia Motors and Linus Pauling. Hopefully Linus can return to FA status early next year. This week we have the request of Oregon Ballot Measure 5 (1990) and High importance article Portland Rose Festival. Whatever work you can contribute would be greatly appreciated by our master. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Really, really bad haiku from a new admin
Setting new lows in thank-you spam:

  Click there for my RfA spam haikus! → → → Janitor's new tools

Spam must stop -- will new mop act?

Ooops, .com blocked

New admin, new tools

Earnest newbie furrows brow

Fare thee well Main Page

New mess all about

Sorcerer's Apprentice mop

Not supporter's fault

A. B. so grateful

Wikipedia trembles

Watch out DRV

A. B. wonders why

Copyright always confused

Fair use, farewell, bye



Dear RfA friend, I will learn, chaos will fade ''Thanks so much ... A. B.

This RfA thank you card is based on a card originally done by Phaedriel

Katr, thanks so much for your support.

I read your FAQ and saw you're thinking of standing for admin yourself -- let me know if there's anything I can do to help and encourage you with this -- I'd really like to see you as an admin. -- A. B. (talk) 19:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Idaho State Historical Society
Just a quick note to let you know the copyedit is done and pending proofread by another LOCE member.

I think this article needs a critical look from a citations standpoint. There are a lot of facts and figures listed in the article, such as the number of employees, the number of visitors, the number of holdings, etc. that should be backed up with a citation. I marked a few of them as I went through, but that wasn't my main focus so there are a lot that I didn't mark.

P.S. I didn't read your talk page until after the copyedit was done... I've got to admit I'm a little embarassed copyediting an article at the request of a professional copy editor :)  I'd love to know what you think of my work. Livitup (talk) 21:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Pshaw, I'm just an amateur now. What I saw looked great. I noticed a couple little issues (the headers need to be lowercased per WP:MOS), but it is a big improvement. I'll see if I have any more input. Thanks for contributing a third opinion. Katr67 (talk) 22:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Gah! Capitalizing headers is my kryptonite, as it's required in my company's corporate style guide.  Be careful on this one, though as a lot of the section titles are the proper names of parts of the organization and thus should be capitalized.  Some of them do need to be switched for sure though.  Thanks for the complements!  Livitup (talk) 04:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Please review the NYPIRG page for editing problems!!!
Hi There!I wanted to let you know that user Ultamatemike reverted the NYPIRG page on 7 December 2007 back to its original format. The original format was changed because it did not contain a single citation and was very POV. (actually it reads like an advertisement). I am not sure how to handle this because I don't want an edit war. Perhaps you could take a look! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.100.212.21 (talk) 23:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, well, I've reverted the page before as well, so actually, I agree with him, except for the fact the formatting was messed up. I also agree the article has POV issues and I've tagged it as such. BTW, I hope you're not User:Jimmihoffa, et al. Why do you think I'm on your "side"? Just curious. Katr67 (talk) 00:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't expect you to be on "My side"!! (Just Fair)
You don't have to be on my side, nor do I expect that. Your an admin so you are supposed to be impartial aren't you? Any way I am not sure what you mean about Jimmy Hoffa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.100.212.21 (talk) 00:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not an admin. What made you think that? Not Jimmy Hoffa. User:Jimmihoffa, who was very interested in PIRG articles. He mistook me for an admin also. Don't forget to sign your posts. Katr67 (talk) 03:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences
I think it could potentially be expanded, but as is it could certainly be merged. I think if one were to do some research they could probably find enough to create a decent stand-alone article on it. It does, however, need to be moved to Oregon State University College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences, however. VegaDark (talk) 01:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Klamath Mountains
Hi. May I ask why you removed the geography templates from the article? They (the Klamath Mountains) are clearly a geographic feature. The 'Geography navigation' template merely provides further guidance to othe geography related subjects, in case that is how the user navigated to the page. The 'Physical Geography Sub-disciplines' template will help to highlight additional areas in the article that need information of further expansion. Some of those 'sections' are already included in the article, but not all. Since the Klamath Mountains are also a distinct physiographicla section of the United States, to properly 'fill out' the article, those sections should be present, as much as possible, therefore especially the second template is even more important. Please reconsider the removal, or at least make a good case for why they shouldn't be included on the article. Thank you. wbfergus undefinedTalk 19:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi again. Thanks for the quick reply. I am not adding them to every geographic feature, only those specific geographic features on Physiographic regions of the world. All of these articles are of a higher 'importance' than say Mt. Hood, as they used in various studies very similar to ecoregions. As such, they eventually should have sections within the articles to cover all of the various physiographic (Physical Geography) subjects. I have made the more general 'Geography navigation' template collapsible, so that it takes up less room on the screen and is more unobstrusive. I also just sa your other post on the Geography project. Should these 'discussions' be perhaps moved over there, or is this forum adequate to discuss this? Thanks again. wbfergus undefinedTalk 19:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's better to have the discussion over there, since I'm not the only one who has questioned this. Katr67 (talk) 19:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what I was thinking as well. It would save an awful lot of retyping and keep everything in one place. I will go ahead and copy unless you have already started to. I will wait a few minutes to see, so we don't get an 'Edit conflict' (I hate those!). Thanks again. wbfergus undefinedTalk 19:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Copy away. I have some other stuff I should be doing right now... Katr67 (talk) 19:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Katr67. The discussion is over on the Geogrpahy Project talk page at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography. Your participation would be most welcome, and perhaps I may have offered enough explanation. Thanks. wbfergus undefinedTalk 18:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays from WP:ORE
Hello again from the Collaboration of the Week for WikiProject Oregon. This week are two more stubs, the Oregon Garden and former Congressman Robert B. Duncan. Both are close to moving up to Start class, so only a little work is needed. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha! I was editing Oregon Garden just as I got this notice. The COTW box on the front page works sometimes! Katr67 (talk) 00:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's great, that's one more edit than for all of last week's COTW articles. I'll see what I can find from the Oregonian. Aboutmovies (talk) 00:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

No cats
Nice!, I was just getting ready to do that myself! Dreadstar †  06:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Evan Montvel Cohen
Your corrections to Evan's history are based on old articles and very biased sources. Kuam is the main competitor on Guam to Sorensen Media Group and often use Kuam news to attack the competition. Also the New York Sun printed a correction to the article you site two days after it was run and John Cook of the Chicago Tribune and Radar magazine ran a piece about David Lambino's sloppy work. Evan was attacked by right and left wing bloggers but no one ever got the facts right. He didn't authorize the loan to himself (the board of Directors approved the loan) and he was only accused of any wrong doing by the blogoshere. Even right wing assasin Michelle Malkin corrected her attackes after the court documents (posted on the web) proved Cohen demanded that the loan be repaid as part of the sale to Piquant. The story is sexier when your version is written but it is not factual. it takes time and effort to sift through and get to the truth but you should work at it if you want to edit about a human beings life and character. i work with Evan and know what happened. Leon Colaco —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.151.89.144 (talk) 12:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's all great, but unless you can provide citations to reliable sources, then the corrections you wish to make are only original research. Feel free to add what info you think is needed--with citations--please read the blue links to policy and guidelines I have provided and don't worry about getting the format perfect. I don't have a "my" version. Did you check the page history and edit summaries? I was actually trying to provide some balance to the article, and had restored some of the neutral-to-good info, even though it wasn't sourced. So far the only info that is sourced is the negative info and around here sourced info trumps unsourced. (Thus, another editor "commented out" the unsourced neutral-to-positive info, leaving only the negative.) Though I had planned to look up some sources. (god knows why, as this article is far outside my area of interest and I had never heard of the guy before, but I'm a good Wikipedian, I guess. And a volunteer, I might add.) But since you feel so strongly about it, it is really your responsibility to find sources. We are all equals here (though anons are slightly less equal so you might want to sign up for an account). And as noted on the article's talk page, anyone who has a close connection with Cohen should read up on conflict of interest before editing the article. I don't care one way or the other which way the story is spun, please assume good faith, at least on my part, I can't speak for anybody else working on the article. Let me know if you have further questions. Katr67 (talk) 17:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The banter here in this discussion is interesting but it appears despite your best efforts to stay unbiased you have become biased. In the early days of liberal talk radio, Evan Cohen and Air America became the subject of great interest in the blogosphere. So what was conjecture, speculation, and outright determination to shut down a liberal radio station then leaked into mainstream media - namely The New York Sun. However, The New York Sun retracted its story about Cohen. Cohen did borrow money from the Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club but he did it with the consent of the board of directors. The board of directors gave him the loan. He did not give himself the loan. I have done my research and documents indicate that during the sale of Air America Cohen made it a stipulation of the agreement that Piquant LLC pay back the money from the Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club. People may not like the fact he received a loan from the group but it was a loan the board approved. Cohen continues to be involved in media projects and all you have to do is look at www.pacificnewscenter.com (media section)or www.sorensenmediagroup.com. So no matter what was reported the facts are he asked for a loan from the Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club and the board decided to give him the loan, Cohen did not take the money out of the organization himself. It appears Cohen had the intention of paying back the loan because the sale of Air America included a provision that would have the new owners pay back the money. The fact that the author chooses to incorporate an alleged $20,000 outstanding bill from a media competitor in the article could indicate that the author is biased especially since the story cited was written by the same media competitor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.128.20.11 (talk • contribs) 12:13, December 19, 2007
 * Please stop posting on my talk page--let's keep this discussion on the Cohen page. Thank you. Katr67 (talk) 16:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I see that you pasted the above from the article's talk page. Please don't do that--one, some people would consider that spamming, which isn't the best way to get your point across. And two, I have the Cohen page on my watchlist, so I already know when you post on the talk page there--no need to repeat the post here. Unfortunately sometimes the Wikipedia process takes a lot of "banter". Like GoodDamon urged you, I'd suggest getting an account and reading up on some of Wikipedia's core policies so you can understand what is happening with the Cohen article. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 16:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I took a look at the article and tried to add some neutral background info/general expansion. Not really that notable of a person, only 20 hits in LexisNexis' "news" search. Though maybe he uses a shorter version of his name. Not a whole lot of positive press on the guy, but apparently there was an HBO special on the Air America launch with him prominent in the feature. Now that its on my watchlist I'll check back in there if anything flares up. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
...for removing the "blocked" vandalism on my talk page. Jauerback (talk) 00:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I was a victim of that "blocked" thing too. And BTW, sorry about any bad faith you might be experiencing lately. Cheers, Katr67 (talk) 02:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Kate Mann Article Nobility
Just saw your message. I am working on finding more sources now. So I hope it will be left up while I search that out. Thanks and please reply on either the discussion page of the article or on my personal talk page. THanks --Danielquasar (talk) 03:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Oregon Air National Guard
I just noticed the above redirects to Oregon National Guard (happened in August). Do you remember any sort of discussion somewhere? Neither page had a move request. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I took note of the move at some point and shrugged. I think I concluded it sort of made sense, YMMV. Katr67 (talk) 18:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Holiday COTW
Greetings to all the WikiProject Oregon crew. Happy holidays to those who celebrate holidays. Thanks to those who helped out with last week’s articles Oregon Garden and Robert B. Duncan. Due to the holidays and people likely to be spending less time on Wikipedia, the new Collaboration of the Week will run for two weeks (OK actually I’ll be out of the country, but same difference). The first item will be a general Reference Improvement Drive. So find an article, source an tagged sentence or bring all the citations up to WP:CITE standards. The other item is a Tagging Drive, looking for those random articles about Oregon that do not yet have a WikiProject Oregon tag on the talk page. In the past I’ve found the Category:People from Oregon and its sub cats fertile ground for the lost Oregon souls. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

MOS reference question
Hi katr67,

when you have a moment could you take a quick look at T-34. It's the first article I've come across that uses Harvard referencing. Are the references supposed to be used like a scholarly journal where it actually shows in the text? I just spent hours cleaning up a similar article, but it was a mishmash of HR and inline and did not use the citing syntax this article uses. I certainly don't want to jump in and "fix" something just because I think it's broken. Maybe it's just me but I found that style very distracting. Any way any feedback here or my talk would be helpful. Awotter (talk) 05:44, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Heya. WP:CITE lists Harvard referencing as an acceptable choice. I'd agree that the style is distracting, but yes, the consensus is if it ain't broke, don't fix it, though certainly if there is a mixture of styles, it should be made consistent. Looking at T-34, I'd say the article should be converted to one style, but it might be a good idea to discuss it on the talk page first. Katr67 (talk) 20:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks katr67, I did do the talk page no feedback yet. I'm not in any great hurry to change things, but I did look at the template used and it seems to have been done for this article, so I will get in touch with they editor who used it before doing anything. I was able to put together a fix that would keep the citations as they are but with a Notes and references/Bibliography section that would allow future contributers to use either style. The difference being all the links would be the numbered style, linked to their specific source (and visa versa) and not appear in full Harvard glory in the actual article. Anyway, Happy New Year and thanks again. Awotter (talk) 20:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

William Pope McArthur
I am impressed you noticed this article minutes after I created it! McArthur mapped Oregon's entire Pacific Coast from California to the Columbia River. I probably should have itemized it since he also mapped California north of San Francisco. I am surprised to see your wonderful capitol paintings comprehensive article in a user page. It would be great if you could move it to the main space. And of course there's an appeal to get a photo of the painting. I'll try to upload a photo of him shortly. Americasroof (talk) 01:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. I saw that you had linked him from Lewis Linn McArthur, and the name rang a bell. WikiProject Oregon is ever vigilant for new Oregon-related articles! Oregon Geographic Names, started by his grandson, is one of my bibles. Those McArthurs sure got around. Thanks for the vote of confidence on the capitol names list. When we were working on Oregon State Capitol, we had discussed whether the list was encyclopedic enough to put into mainspace and I decided to wait until it had fewer redlinks. Oh and it's not a single painting, exactly, the names are painted around the frieze of both chambers. You can see what I mean here: Image:ORCapInteriorSenate.JPG. Did you notice William P. had a Liberty Ship named after him? The capitol names book I have only has a paragraph or so on each person, but I think I can add a couple sentences to the article... Cheers! Katr67 (talk) 02:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I missed that conversation! I'd say this list is encyclopedic enough, without question. I've often wondered whether one historical figure or another had his/her name there. I'd be happy to stubbify a redlink or two if that would sway your opinion! -Pete (talk) 03:00, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool, Pete! I'll take you up on that! Wait a couple minutes while I mess with the list--you will see bolding and if you open up the article in edit mode, you will see how many things link to that article, the bolding indicating which articles are most needed. Katr67 (talk) 03:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * This is all wikipedia at its best connecting the dots. I wondered in here thinking I would do a stub or two on the NOAA McArthur ships (on which my brother has spends several months each year and on which I have visited him). There's a ton of google links on him and I will dig in a little bit more.  He's a big time hero for map freaks.  So I will expand the reference section more.  Something else that is cool about all this is that his uncle patron Lewis F. Linn in Missouri wrote the legislation that led to government sale of land in Oregon which in turn led to the Oregon Trail.  Thanks for the link also for the Liberty ship.  Americasroof (talk) 03:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I think I will point to this discussion in the future, when people ask me why I bother with all of this Wikipedia silliness! I created a stub on W. Price Hunt, because I couldn't figure out whether his name was William or Wilson! I'll try to come back for another few over the next few days. Also, wondering if I'll be able to swing my first WP:DYK out of this ;) By the way, here's a handy link for the list everybody keeps referring to. -Pete (talk) 03:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * This discussion prompted to review the other article I have the in the Oregon project (the Astor Expedition). You will find a lot on Wilson Price Hunt via google.  I notice that there was a speedy delete because it redirected to a non-existent article.  In the connect the dots category, my interest in the expedition was because it wintered in northwest Missouri (where I'm from).  The area was part of the Platte Purchase which was another project of Senator Linn.Americasroof (talk) 04:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Adolph Aschoff
Katr, I don't think those were test edits, I think they were intentional edits from the guy's great grandson. Some of them appear to correct uncited errors in the existing article. I left a note for the IP, hopefully he will stick around and help improve the article. -Pete (talk) 23:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh gosh, I didn't scoll down to see the citation. I just saw what looked like typical (for vandals/test editors) slight changes to dates and such. I reverted myself and added a OR template. Too bad that whole article is already badly in need of inline citations--so hard to fix, and so hard to just gut and start over... Thanks for the heads up! Katr67 (talk) 23:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)