User:Valfontis/Archive 9

getting into the commonsflow
Successfully uploaded my first pic today, and put it on the page where it was needed. (a) Did I specify things properly? Any comments? (b) The Kenny & Zuke's Delicatessen page now looks weird with the image. I'm obviously not including it correctly. Can you fix so I can see what I should have done? tedder (talk) 06:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yay for drinking the commons Kool-Aid! I think Aboutmovies fixed K & Z. I'll take a look at the pic later. Gotta run, Katr67 (talk) 23:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I took a look, and everything looked fine. I did add a wikilink to the article so people can easily navigate, but that's optional. I also corrected your "credit" on your user page from your copy and paste. But the cats on the article look good, and just FYI there tends to be fewer cats on Commons, so there are often fewer on the pics than articles on Wikipedia. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hee! Thanks for fixing the stolen borrowed credit line. And good to know how to link to en.wiki. More soon, and I'll quit hijacking katr67's page. tedder (talk) 06:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

OIC
Thanks...yeah, another one I sat on for a while before springing it from Zeus's forehead fully armored. Trying to get back into the swing of things around here! --Esprqii (talk) 15:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Portland Monthly
Do you have WP:RS sources for these unsourced changes you added back into the article ? Can you please add back in the sourced material that was inappropriately removed? Thank you, Cirt (talk) 20:47, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you read my edit summary? Look at the other editor's talk page. I'm the first person to come down hard on self-promotion/advertsing, but this person is trying to act in good faith, I think. You are being remarkably stubborn for some reason. Do we still need sourced info about the previous editor? I'm not sure we do. Please discuss it on the article's talk page. Katr67 (talk) 20:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC).
 * Did you have a look at the information and sources you removed from the article? Please revert your last edit - we can certainly discuss what sources to examine to add the updates - but in the meantime why remove sourced info? Surely the source was still good for historical background on who was the editor at that time ? Cirt (talk) 20:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I give up. Have fun. Don't post here anymore about this. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 20:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Apologies
I apologize if I came across a bit strong. I had actually discussed with that the user's first action after their block expired was to continue the same exact pattern of WP:SPA WP:COI behavior of introducing unsourced material while simultaneously removing sourced information. said it was okay to revert the WP:SPA's edit as vandalism. Of course these changes can be discussed and hopefully implemented to update the article - I just don't see why we should do so in an unsourced manner from a conflict of interest source, while simultaneously permitting the removal of sourced info. Again I apologize for the miscommunication. Cirt (talk) 20:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I just don't see why the addition of the name of current editor should be controversial, despite the editor's previous actions. I was trying to show this person that the Wikipedia community can be helpful--friendly even--even to folks who have a (stated, mind you) COI. I didn't really like getting my wrist slapped for that. Apology accepted, but enough now, I'm trying to work. Good day. Katr67 (talk) 21:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You are correct, again I am sorry. Cirt (talk) 21:12, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Cirt and Katr, much of this was my fault. Cirt asked my advice through email, and I provided advice without looking at the most recent edits, encouraging him to revert that edit. I think that's the point where the whole situation headed south, and I feel bad about it -- since I didn't have time to properly review the situation, I should have refrained from advising anyone else, and left it up to my capable WP:ORE colleagues. I think the content is on the right track now, thanks to you guys, not to me.

I'll reach out to the Portland Monthly editor, too. -Pete (talk) 18:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Date formatting
Hi Katr. I posted a short reply to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Oregon yesterday in response to your note. Today, I'm having second thoughts because the user who changed the gnis template in Tryon Creek appears to be changing these templates globally or at least widely. In addition to changing the date formatting, the change is deleting the publication dates from the gnis citations. I've written to User:Droll this morning to explain the situation. See User talk:Droll to see the message. I don't know what Droll will say, but the thought of having to change hundreds of m-d-y dates to yyyy-mm-dd and to hunt down and re-insert publication dates to accommodate a new template doesn't make me happy. As far as yyyy-mm-dd goes, the ISBN thing and the button thing don't quite do it for me despite what I said two days ago. Flip. Flop. Finetooth (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Clatskanie Middle/High School
I know you were looking at the Clatskanie HS article (and thanks for work on moving/renaming). Can you look at it again and let me know what you think? I.e., are the events listed all encyclopedic enough? Can you help me with a DYK on it? tedder (talk) 19:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * (oh, and follow up on my talk page, since there's a DYK discussion there. Normally I'd prefer to stay on your talk page since I started the discussion here, but it's probably easier to centralize on mine). tedder (talk) 19:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * What typo? —EncMstr (talk) 20:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Should be Clatskanie Middle/High School, is currently Clatskanie MIddle/High School since the former needs to be speedy deleted. tedder (talk) 20:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ —EncMstr (talk) 20:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Big Sandy, Oregon
Howdy,

Where is Big Sandy, Oregon?

I was watching Bonanza today and in the episode "The Beginnings", they talked about Big Sandy, Oregon. Sure enough I searched the Internet and there are letters from the 1850s & 1860s from Big Sandy, Oregon. The natural jump would be to think Sandy, but I can't find a reference.

Do you have any ideas?

> Best O Fortuna (talk) 23:01, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I reckon I've never heard of the place. A search of GNIS reveals that the Sandy River (Oregon) used to be called the Big Sandy River and there is a dam and reservoir named after it, but no settlements. That doesn't mean there wasn't one, but there probably was never a post office named Big Sandy, Oregon. So maybe they did mean Sandy, Oregon... I can check Oregon Geographic Names later. I'm curious about those Google hits too. (Other wise I'd reckon the place is fictional.) The only other Big Sandy I know is in Kentucky.


 * It warms my lil' ol' heart to be asked an Oregon geography question. Happy Trails! Katr67 (talk) 23:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No, the Google hits look good, a New York Times article from 1858. A letter from Horace Greeley as he passed through there, and some of those genealogy website letters. I think it was a real place. The early Bonanza episodes were pretty good at taking actual places and events then weaving them into their story.


 * Take a look at this:


 * Pioneer Tales of the Oregon Trail and of Jefferson County
 * Page 272-273


 * > Best O Fortuna (talk) 23:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I looked at the Google hits. Good stuff! According to the pioneer narrative it seems to be near South Pass, so I'm thinking they meant Oregon Country (or Oregon Territory) and not Oregon? Could it be Big Sandy, Idaho today. Or ??? Katr67 (talk) 23:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Try searching the book for: "Big Sandy Station"
 * That book is from Nebraska, that can't be the same one... Idaho might be it...
 * If the letter from Horace Greeley is talking about the South Pass to Fort Bridger, Wyoming, then this would be the place: Pony Express: Chapter Six: DIVISION THREE: STATIONS BETWEEN HORSESHOE CREEK AND SALT LAKE CITY. Wow, that is a long way from present day Oregon...

(unindent) Yes, looks like Big Sandy, Oregon is present-day Big Sandy, Wyoming. Here's a Google map from South Pass to Big Sandy, WY. And in 1858, when at least one of the narratives was written, it still would have been in the Oregon Territory, judging by the map. Now all we need to do is make an article on the Wyoming place and redirect the Oregon place there. :) Thanks, that was fun to figure out. Katr67 (talk) 16:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I convienced now that Big Sandy, Oregon is now in western Wyoming. I wish I could find a map on the Internet that would show it, with good detail and a nice large size.  But they are to small.  See what can happen when one watches Bonanza?  Lorne Green was my first television father figure.


 * > Best O Fortuna (talk) 03:02, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

User:Pioneercourthouse on ANI
There is a proposal on WP:ANI to formally ban that idiot, now that he's branching out into harassment and trying to get other users in trouble. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

List of casinos in Oregon
You may want to look at List of casinos in the United States to see how the state files are used. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I did look! The list is sortable, so you need the "State" field. Now, most lists I've seen that break out individual states no longer list the items from that state but rather just use main or something. I guess for this there's a need for a sortable list of the entire U.S. and the individual state articles. I've just never seen anything like that before. If you think it's necessary, great! I'm not going to argue. Am I missing something else? Did I do something wrong? I think my and Another Believer's changes improved the list. I checked to make sure I understood what the "District" field is for, though Oregon doesn't really have districts per se. I'd also suggest that you are going to continue to run into this problem, so if there is a need for specificity when editing the fields there really needs to be an editing note added to each page. Thanks for all your hard work! I hope you're not having a bad day or something. :) Katr67 (talk) 05:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

XOXOXO - Oregon loves you, now love Oregon back!
Greetings to WikiProject Oregon folks. It is time again it is time for another round of the Collaboration Of The Week. A big thank you to those who worked on Mary Alice Ford ‎ and the Waterfront Blues Festival, both saw some great improvements. In honor of the great weather, we have our Semi-annual Great Oregon Picture Drive for this week’s collaboration. You can go out and take a picture, or search for a free one on the Internet, or in some cases remove an old request. See the bottom of this page for some links to a variety of free sources. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Pioneer Courthouse
FYI: You may want to take a look at these edits by. The long-term block on Pioneer Courthouse Square appears to have resulted in a new target being found on the Pioneer Courthouse article. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * and Pioneer Place‎ by . Yay- might be time for another CU to find out what other accounts he has, or semi-prot some pages? tedder (talk) 02:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * *sigh* I guess everyone has to have a hobby. He's clever enough to be helpful, if he wanted to be. He could get all kinds of positive attention and pats on the head. Too bad he's chosen to be a "scum vandal" instead. Katr67 (talk) 16:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Music of Oregon
Why did you remove Floater from the Portland page? They are a very popular independent band of Portland and should be mentioned in that section. Not mentioning them, is like ignoring the elephant in the room. Bias via omission? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.220.115.10 (talk) 22:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Before I answer your question, why are you accusing me of bias? On what basis do you assume I might be biased against Floater? Please read this important Wikipedia guideline before you answer. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 22:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, maybe I made an assumption too quickly. But the wiki page mentions independent bands and omits probably the biggest unsigned independent band in Portland: Floater. And then it gives examples of bands that are anything but independent, having been signed long ago. [added more] Floater was signed to Elemental Records back in 1994, but that was a small independent label from Oregon, and is pretty much defunct right now. The other listing for Floater has them under Typhon records which is a creation of the band themselves. And is rarely used. Floater routinely packs major venues in Portland, including the Crystal Ballroom, the Roseland theater, and Dante's. They've played other popular venues from times past including the Aladdin Theatre and La Luna. All the other so-called "indie" bands mentioned on the page include ones that have been signed by major or smaller labels (but still potent) like Epic, Capitol, and Matador records. Floater however remains absent from the wiki page when the independent music scene is spoken of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.220.115.10 (talk) 22:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict--reply written before IP editor added more to his/her post) That's better. I may be old, but I like all kinds of music. I won't get into my old-school punk rock cred, but I have seen Floater a couple times and they're pretty good (if not my favorite genre). And I'm from Eugene and I'm all for Eugene bands being sucessful. I've noticed that Floater's fanbase has enthusiastically added a great deal of content to Wikipedia and that's great. However, some of these additions look to me like they run afoul of our guidelines about advertising and spam. I support the efforts of the grassroots, but be sure you're following Wikipedia policy and guidelines so your edits don't get reverted. This template is a good place to start: welcome. Now, as for your edits, there are two problems with this statement. One, the word "probably" is what is known as a weasel word--one that is used when someone can't cite a reliable source for his or her statement. Two, the statement seems to be based on pure opinion, or what is known here as original research. I might be able to be convinced that Floater should be mentioned in the article's lead, especially since they are "truly" indie, but I'd like to see a reliable source that they are in a league with the other bands mentioned. And yes I know some of those bands have sort of sold out. By the way did you notice that Floater was already mentioned in the Eugene section and that I put a note on the Floater entry in the Portland list pointing this out? Cheers. (P.S. Please read the "Read Me" box at the top of this page about signing posts. Thanks.) Katr67 (talk) 23:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I make edits when I can, and signing in is sometimes a problem when on the run. I'll work on that. Floater originated in Eugene, but has been in Portland for far longer as a band, and they should be included there. I can see how you would think those previous inclusions appear to be based on pure opinion, but having been a follower of the band and immersed in the culture surrounding the band for since 1997, I know it's not opinion. What is needed for you to do some research on Floater since you are the one so quick to edit them out of the wiki. You're right, the words need some cleaning up to be sure though. "Probably" is not a good word to use like you said. How do you find sources on a band that gets shunted left and right, has little to no media exposure, bet yet persists for over 16 years and 10 albums? There are some pretty good listings in the Willamette Weekly (the tour diary of Floater) for reference, but none that show critical data showing that they are still independent. No one is writing peer review articles on Floater, I'm sorry! But you're almost right; most, not some, of the bands listed in the wiki (at the point of entry for my submission )are not indie or independent. "Indie" or "independent" (from which the word indie is derived) is an ephemereal word to be sure, but with Floater that word has no ambiguity. It's plain as day with Floater. They are unsigned, have thousands of fans, sell out medium sized venues in Portland, yet remain absent. As for your suggestions that the Floater wiki page is making adverts or spam, I'm not sure how you mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.228.186.185 (talk) 03:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi- as an uninvolved party, two things for you. First, please sign your posts by inserting four tildes at the end, like this: ~


 * Second, read the policy at WP:NOR, which talks about "no original research". In other words, find reliable sources for edits on Floater before adding the information. Wikipedia isn't a fansite, the burden of proof is on YOU to source the additions, not on Katr67. Peer reviewed articles aren't necessary, but if they are a notable musical group, some reliable source somewhere has written about them. There's plenty of Myspace bands that don't meet the bar. Keep the article to the Wikipedia standards and you should have no problem. Read WP:V, which states "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." And keep coming back here, Katr67 is smart and good at sorting through these things! Cheers, tedder (talk) 04:42, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict--written before Tedder chimed in) Please don't call me "Kat"--you can call me Katr. Actually, by "signing posts" I meant please put the four tildes--> ~ which gives a time and datestamp to your post so the bot doesn't have to do it instead. But if you do already have an account, by all means please remember sign in.
 * Re: "What is needed for you to do". Actually, I don't need to do anything, because the burden of proof in Wikipedia is on the folks who want to include the material in an article. You can try to convince me that Floater is bigger than Jesus but for Wikipedia purposes, all you need to do to is provide a citation to a reliable source that shows whatever it is you want to say. For example, in the lead of the Music of Oregon article you might type something like:
 * Floater is the most important Portland indie rock band not signed to any label (major or minor), according to Independent Music Publication That is a Reliable Source. Despite not being on a major independent label, they have gained national attention for...etc., etc....and influenced bands such as...etc., etc....


 * Do you see? It probably sounds really stupid, but we simply can't take your word that Floater is notable enough to mention in the lead of an article that is a general overview about the history of music in Oregon. Please click on the blue links I've made in my replies because I think that will help you understand what I'm talking about. Personally, I can tell you all about the popularity of the Cherry Poppin' Daddies in their early days in Eugene, what happened at their shows, etc., but I can't put any of that in a Wikipedia article because no one gives a rat's ass about my opinion on those matters. I'm just not a reliable source as far as Wikipedia is concerned.
 * So no, I am not asking for peer-reviewed journals, just reliable sources. Willamette Week would be a fine source. I'm sorry that Floater hasn't gotten more press, but I don't make the rules on Wikipedia, I just try to explain them. There are folks who would say the fact that they haven't received much press in fact makes them non-notable, but I think you just need to work a bit harder finding references is all. Read the blue links and it should be clearer. Another good thing to read is WP:BAND.
 * I did not say that the article for Floater (band) is spam or an advertisement, what I'm saying is that I've noticed that Floater fans (not you, I'm sure) seem to like to insert mention of the band in articles wherever they think it makes sense, almost to the point of acting like spammers, and sometimes these aren't very helpful edits. Your insertion of info about Floater into the lead of Music of Oregon looked something like that, especially considering the language issues already discussed. (Note that if you are logged in it helps you not look so much like a spammer.) Again, it seems like an excellent way to be loyal to one's favorite band, but that kind of thing can border on promotion, and one of the things Wikipedia is not is a place to promote a cause, company, favorite band, etc. It might even be something of a conflict of interest. So though I have no problem with the band Floater, the actions of a few overzealous fans can sometimes make Floater end up looking bad, which I'm sure is not their intention.
 * Please take some time to read and absorb the links I've provided. I'd suggest that after you read up, take a stab at putting in a well-sourced sentence or two in the article, and seek out a third opinion--WikiProject Oregon, WikiProject Music or The Village Pump are good places to start. Unfortunately, I've found these sort of back and forth conversations about bands don't seem to go anywhere, so I think I've said all I have to say on the matter. Please do consult with some other editors. Good luck! Katr67 (talk) 06:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Added Floater to the music page, and I even logged in to do it! Got a lot of work done, and "took a stab" at adding Floater to the main paragraphs in Music of Oregon. Complete with two references (one a tv spot, and the other from the Willamette Week). So, I think what I have should stick now. Hope I got it right this time.Leitmotiv (talk) 03:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leitmotiv (talk • contribs) 03:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I don't want this paragraph to come off the wrong way, but that's probably unavoidable as usually I find people take my stuff the wrong way anyhoo. So with that said... Now after seeing the leading paragraphs for the Music of Oregon page, and seein' my inclusion of Floater complete with two references, I feel a little betrayed. Here are these wonderful references of Floater and wthout them Floater would be eliminated from the page. Yet I can't quite escape the fact that they are the only references in the whole first few paragraphs! Everything else is pretty much heresay, or links to other wikipedia pages, which is really just claiming itself as a source. Why was Floater taken off the page before, when nothing else was? I mean, nothing in the first paragraph has sources! So why pick on Floater? Ok. So maybe I'm beating a dead horse, but I feel my point has merit. I understand the page is a work in progress with a long way to go, but, I still can't help but feel scorned just a little. Or at least, like Floater was scorned. Maybe I'm missing something. I hope I am. Leitmotiv (talk) 07:51, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

(unindent) Possibly: See WP:DEADHORSE. But, hey my friend, you're entitled to feel however you want. For my part, I've taken Music of Oregon off by watchlist. Be BOLD! Delete the entire lede except the Floater stuff if you want to. I won't have any input on any Floater-related content anymore. If you need help, check in with WikiProject Oregon. Good luck and have a great day! Katr67 (talk) 23:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

blue ribbon schools
I thought you'd appreciate this list, yet another way to slice and dice Oregon's schools:
 * User:Tedder/List of Blue Ribbon Schools in Oregon

It's autogenerated, so it certainly needs dabbing. Comments? tedder (talk) 03:55, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm proud to say I attended one of those schools during the year it was awarded the blue ribbon. It's what makes me such a fine Wikipedia editor today! ;) Good thing they never looked into the underbelly of the place though!
 * But seriously, I think if you want to take the list live, I'd leave off linking the middle schools and definitely the elementary schools (or of course you can link to the school district--it would be incentive to complete a few redlinked school districts.). Even with the Blue Ribbon designation, as I'm sure you know, it takes a lot for anything lower than high school to be notable. For that matter, is the Blue Ribbon School award notable? Oh, I see--it's a national award, so yes, I suppose it is! I haven't given the subject much thought since 1984.
 * Other than that, make it into a sortable table, and I think you have a winner. Maybe add a lede paragraph about Blue Ribbon Schools in Oregon if there's anything out there on that. Katr67 (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

awkward talk page wording
this comment: "and I'm saying that it is". Did you mean "and I'm not saying that it is"? tedder (talk) 17:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, it's a typo. Busy, I'll fix it later. Katr67 (talk) 17:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

And another...
... just like this one. — Cactus Writer |   needles  23:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Portmanteaus‎
Do you have enlightenment to share at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics? —EncMstr (talk) 19:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiCookie for you!



 * Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 14:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Yachats
I'd be glad to take a look. I might not have time for a close reading until Sunday. Saturday is pretty well booked. Finetooth (talk) 02:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought I'd try to tackle the citation problems today, which keep leaping up at me. If you get time to move the sections around, that would be great. The text sandwich at the top needs fixing, and moving the climate section down might solve the sandwich problem or at least make it less dramatic. Probably the page has one too many images to squeeze into the available space; if Crankelwitz adds more text, the space problem probably goes away. Finetooth (talk) 17:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Blah blah blah, Oregon COTW
Hello to members of the WikiProject o' Oregon. Once again it is time for the Collaboration Of The Week. A thank you to everyone who participated in the Semi-annual Great Oregon Picture Drive, we added a lot of pictures. For this edition we have by request Mr. Maurice Lucas of the Blazers, and a maintenance type project with the Dab Patrol. For the later, pick any Oregon disambiguation page (mainly common city names) and use the "What links here" feature to find any stray incoming links and direct them to the correct article. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Peace out! Aboutmovies (talk) 07:21, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Yachats Bridge
It looks like you may know the location of the the North Fork Yachats River Covered Bridge! I looked for a source back when I was "coordinating" List of Oregon covered bridges but couldn't find one. Do you know if it is here? Yep, it's just a bunch of treetops, but zoom out, etc. to see if that's where you were. Flip to topomap mode to see why that's my guess. —EncMstr (talk) 01:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. It is a bunch of treetops, isn't it. And it was. Oh...but where it says in huge letters "Covered Bridge"? LOL I think that's it. I'll go ask if he knows for sure--he was navigating. Katr67 (talk) 04:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * EncMstr is right on the money! Went back and checked my GPS track from that day, and that's the spot! — Twisted86 - Talk - at 05:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I figured you might still have that data. Have you hugged your GPS today? Katr67 (talk) 05:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, thanks! —EncMstr (talk) 05:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Redland
Okay, you are right, of course :-) It still looks awkward, though. What about changing it so it reads "The post office in Redland was established"? Seeing "Redland post office" just looks like it needs to be corrected to "Redland's post office", even though that's incorrect. (and yes, I'm a geek, so I put punctuation outside of quotes) tedder (talk) 06:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * EncMstr sometimes changes these too. The fact of the matter is, the post offices are named separately from the locales they serve, as are the old railroad stations. I'm sure you saw the convoluted history of the names of things at Oak Grove, Oregon--back in the day the post office wasn't always in the same location--it might not even be inside the town with the same name. All throughout OGN the sentences are phrased "Foo post office was established". I can see how it looks wrong grammatically, but if you think about it in terms of a "post office named Foo" instead of "The post office in Foo", in other words, an entity and not an actual building, it makes more sense. It's not worth edit warring over but note that I've written the phrasing similarly in 100s of community articles so if it bothers you, you have a lot of work to do! And no, I am not encouraging you to change them all--that would make me seriously grumpy. And "The post office in Redland..." is a bit wordy compared to the way I (and OGN) write it.
 * I punctuate with quotes however I get paid (or "paid") to. On Wikipedia, we do it British style--outside! Long live the Queen! Katr67 (talk) 15:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Aha, I get it now. I'm a little slow, but I see what you mean about the post office being its own topic, not just "a post office", but "the post office named Redland". I'm with you, finally :-) tedder (talk) 16:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * See? Piece of cake! Saint Benedict, Oregon is a great example of this sort of thing. Now if only I could figure out how to explain how a locale could be a railroad station but not be a "place"--I'm not sure I quite grasp that one yet. Katr67 (talk) 22:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Cannabis
From one WikiProject Oregon member to another, I thought I would send you this invitation. I am not sure if you worked on the Cannabis in Oregon article only for being related to Oregon, or if you are interested in cannabis-related material too, but I wanted to let you know about this new WikiProject just in case. The purpose of this new group is to improve articles relating to cannabis, including drug policy, cultural aspects, legislation, activists, strains, organizations, medical benefits, decriminalization, effects, etc.

Also, this brand new project is in need of expert assistance. If you are familiar with upgrading WikiProjects to include assessments, Collaborations of the Week, Recent Talk/Changes pages, DYK and Awards sections, templates/infoboxes, etc., feel free to offer any help you can!

If you are not interested, no problem--keep up the great work at WikiProject Oregon, and best wishes! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Agness
I'll add this to my to-do list. You were very brave to tackle the whole pile of unincorporated communities, and I decided quite a while ago that you were the expert on this subject. I've wondered if any collection of houses in the woods counts as an unincorporated community. There seem to be many small clusters of buildings along remote streams. Could I call Marial, Oregon, which used to have a post office but which now may have only a lodge, an unincorporated community? By the way, I just nominated Illahe, Oregon, for a DYK. Having been flummoxed a couple of times by the instructions, I haven't been diligent about DYK noms. I used the boat-mule angle for a hook. Maybe this one will work. Finetooth (talk) 18:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've been slacking lately but check this out. I can't take credit for all the improvements, obviously, but we've made quite a bit of progress since I first stumbled upon that list in '06.
 * This is what I do--I check GNIS. Anything that is listed as a "populated place" I count as an unincorporated community. If it is listed as a "locale", I call it such, but I put it in Category:Unincorporated communities in Oregon for want of a better place (and it seems unnecessary to complicate matters further). A "locale" probably should only get an article if it's redlinked in several places, like all those highway interchanges: Santiam Junction, Oregon, etc. If a "locale" also had a post office at one time, or if a "populated place" is designated "historical" then it may or may not be a "former unincorporated community", "considered a ghost town" or some other wording. I try to be objective about these things but I admit that often its a judgement call. How's that for vague? And I have to tread carefully about the "ghost town" thing--residents of supposed ghost towns insist that they aren't ghosts! And rightly so.
 * I'll look forward to seeing the DYK. I usually don't write articles that are long enough to qualify. Cirt and Aboutmovies and a couple other folks are DYK experts so if they know about an article they can help with the nomination process. Katr67 (talk) 19:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow! You've worked through an enormous fraction of the list. Your explanation of how to decide what is what sounds good to me. I'm going to copy it and hang onto it for future reference. Aboutmovies has encouraged me to pursue the DYKs and has nominated a couple of things I worked on. Like you, he is amazing. Finetooth (talk) 20:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

tidy and locmapin
What's the reasoning for removing "locmapin = Oregon" and just leaving it as "locmapin ="? It's hard to tell with an editsummary of 'tidy'? I'm sure it's correct, I'm just curious. tedder (talk) 04:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Because if there's a photo, we don't need the map. The map is mostly just a placeholder when there isn't a photo, and we have coords to click on for folks who want to see the location on a map. Infoboxes with both photo and map look tacky. Crappy even. Especially on stub articles. Katr67 (talk) 05:03, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "tacky. Crappy even." I'll remember that :-) Hope you are having a good evening. tedder (talk) 05:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If drinking a cup of coffee after a period of abstinence and being compelled to obsessively tidy NRHP articles instead of dealing with other stuff is good, well, then, yes. :) Katr67 (talk) 05:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Kite Man Says beware of powerlines
Hello to those who participate in WikiProject Oregon. Once again it is time for the Collaboration Of The Week. A thank you to everyone who participated in the Dab Patrol and improvements to Maurice Lucas. For this week we have Oregon company FLIR Systems, and a maintenance type project with the FA Update Drive. For the later, pick any Oregon FA class article and read through it to make sure it is still up-to-date. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. I like frogs. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Welcomestudent
I have adpoted your template into Welcomestudent. Comments appreciated! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 21:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow! Looks awesome! Katr67 (talk) 22:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

CCS Future
Do you have opinions on Columbia Christian Schools? I removed some of it, it was added back. There are no reliable sources to back it up. It's interesting, but seems borderline encyclopedic. I won't complain if it remains, but I wanted a third set of eyes to look at it. tedder (talk) 11:48, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Going back to this, I disagree with you on the redlink for Padden, and I'd like to add it back unless you have a strong objection. It's already redlinked elsewhere on Wikipedia, and certainly has enough sources to establish WP:N, if I didn't have such a problem with writing articles for a city I strongly dislike. tedder (talk) 18:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, I didn't see this post. OK, no worries. My knowledge of Vancouver is limited to bicycling there from NW PDX to Clark College and back (putting my life in peril), the impression that there's no "there there" and ongoing resentment that they tore down the old Lucky brewery. Katr67 (talk) 18:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you and me both. I'll share stories over beer, not on Wiki :-) I don't mind editing, but I'm not in love with it like I am with Oregon. tedder (talk) 18:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

And another one- coords for Wellsprings Friends School. Do you know if this is it? tedder (talk) 15:07, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll check on Wellsprings. FYI, I'm declaring a potential conflict-of-interest, a friend is thinking about running for the school's board. Katr67 (talk) 17:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it's actually here: 44.04006°N, -123.14586°W. The building nearest the SE corner next to the building in your coords is Valley Covenant Church and its address is 3636 18th St NE, so the Street View "approximate" address is indeed thus. I could do some field research in a couple of weeks to make sure. Katr67 (talk) 17:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. I'm asking some Eugene-based scum to verify the location for me. We'll probably have an answer today, unless someone needs to ride past to verify. tedder (talk) 18:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent. I did some work on the CCS page. The siting issues seem notable enough if sourced. I think the anon may be motivated to find refs, which should be easy to acquire, but if not referenced soon maybe move the info to the talk page for discussion. I agree though, that some of it is interesting but perhaps not notable--everyone has a brick campaign--I wonder if any independent sources have covered the fundraiser. Katr67 (talk) 18:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I agree on the siting, though it'll probably be borderline. The brick thing is certainly weak. We'll see. tedder (talk) 18:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * FWIW, my scum friends replied and gave confirmation that your coords are correct. I'll add it. tedder (talk) 18:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Ione
Thanks. I took this one as well as others in Baker City, Prairie City, and other places out that way last summer. When I travel, I always take my (fairly) trusty camera and its (sometimes) trusty operator. Finetooth (talk) 19:44, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

new theory
I think the article on SEHS would be shorter if we listed who isn't notable. tedder (talk) 19:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ::snort:: Cool, then you can list me! :) Katr67 (talk) 20:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh. tedder (talk) 20:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Boz rates the day a Perfect Ten
Greetings and salutations to members of WikiProject Oregon. We hear bye announce another Collaboration Of The Week. Thanks to anyone who participated in updating any FA articles and for the improvements on FLIR Systems. This week we have two requests: former Blazer Sidney Wicks, and a key historical event with Oregon land fraud scandal. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

HS grad rates
If I standardize some text and come up with a list, will you help me edit all the HS pages to add the graduation rates that were released? tedder (talk) 01:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If you didn't see, I got excited and did it myself. It turns out that the script was the hart part, the rest was just copy and paste, with some exceptions. tedder (talk) 06:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Interstate Bridge reply
I've replied in my Talk page. Thanks. BTW, no heat or anything in this, I just like the maps feature. - Denimadept (talk) 17:12, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Glendale Jr/Sr
First, thanks for cleaning up after me, especially when I left cities out. And the way you fixed Jewell and Knappa is perfect- I couldn't figure out how to resolve the mailing vs city issue. Curse that OCD!

Okay, on to Glendale Jr/Sr High School. While it serves 7-12, NCES and ODE call it "Glendale High", so I think we should go with that. I didn't want to change it before talking with you, though. tedder (talk) 01:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! I'm glad my solution wasn't too clunky. Re:Glendale--hmph, grumble. They call themselves Glendale Jr/Sr: http://www.glendale.k12.or.us/hs_home.php so I would tend to go with that. But the "JR/SR" bit does seem to be kind of an afterthought. I haven't looked at the ODE list lately but I see it was updated in June--they seem to be the most accurate source. You might ask these folks: http://www.glendalealumni.com/ Do you see that whatever the school is called, its architecture features a pirate ship?! That's pretty awesome. Katr67 (talk) 21:44, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems like ODE would be one of the best sources, though yeah, it's annoying the school and ODE don't agree. Pirate ship? That is awesome. I emailed them just to see what they have to say about the name, but I doubt it'll meet our standards (and especially these standards). this might help on the pirate ship thing, it certainly deserves to be in the article if we can find any hints about it. And now I really want a good photo of it! Besides the wrecks on the coast, the only 'local' pirate ship I know about is on the Roloff Farm; I was invited to his property ~13 years ago and got to see it. tedder (talk) 23:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

All wiki talk, all the time
Congrats on your new radio station article. Too bad it's not at 670 AM... --Esprqii (talk) 16:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh golly, here I thought I was the first one to spot it, and I see you've already been all over it. I shoulda known... --Esprqii (talk) 16:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Coincidence? I think not! Actually, my favorite station is WTMI! Your Way Too Much Information station! Or maybe WINO. Katr67 (talk) 21:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

photo cleaning
Can you look at Svensen, Oregon and Brownsmead, Oregon, and remove one or two photos? I took them, it's harder to choose :-) tedder (talk) 05:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're getting quite a collection of grange photos! Hopefully tomorrow I can snap a pic of the one in Elmira. With Svensen, I'd lose the fire station, and the high school doesn't actually look old to me, in which case I don't find it particularly interesting. It's hard to choose with Brownsmead--I like the front facade shot of the grange better aesthetically so I think that is the one I would choose over the 3/4 view, which might be better from a journalistic standpoint. And the RR station just rocks. I want to know more about it. Happy trails! Katr67 (talk) 06:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * More to do: Columbia City, Oregon. Just added a bunch. I need to finish up so I can go to bed, have a LONG weekend of working hard ahead of me. So I'm doing the bare minimum on wikipedia to get my stuff up and looking semi-decent. tedder (talk) 06:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Happy vacationing!
Enjoy your wikibreak, and I hope you get some good two-wheeled time in the big blue room! -Pete (talk) 20:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What he said- hope OCF went well. tedder (talk) 20:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Hope you have intense fun.  —EncMstr (talk) 20:11, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Enjoy the old buildings too. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Bad Katr! Go stand in the corner of the big blue room until you are sorry for what you did. This hurts me more than it does you. And just because all your friends do it too is no excuse, since if all your friends jumped off a bridge would you jump off it too? I'm very disappointed in you. Yadda, yadda, yadda, [insert other parental condemnations here]. You're grounded! Aboutmovies (talk) 07:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

It's business, not pleasure, I'm afraid. :( AM--for an authentic experience, you need to also need to say inaccurate and negative things about me behind my back. ;) Evil Katr67 (talk) 23:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Signpost interview
Greetings! I will be conducting a group interview with WikiProject Oregon members for the Signpost. Peteforsyth suggested that you might be interested in participating. The interview will be taking place here. Instructions can be found on the interview talk page. Hope you can participate! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 15:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Hot outside, so stay inside working on the Oregon COTW!
Hello to WikiProject Oregon folks, and get ready for another Collaboration Of The Week. Thank you to those who worked on the land fraud scandal and Mr. Wicks. This week we have one by request, Central Oregon, and a gnomish task, the Great Infobox Drive of '09. For the infobox drive, just find some articles without infoboxes and add one. People and companies are two prime areas as many do not have infoboxes, yet infoboxes exist for those areas. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Why Did You...
Remove my News Register sources from the Wheatland Ferry page? And if they aren't sourced, why should the accompanying statements (I made) remain? diff

206.212.233.176 (talk) 19:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you ? diff Don't forget to log in. I removed the News-Register links because of "link rot" per the edit summary. Unfortunately, there was no other accompanying information about the citations, otherwise the citations could have stayed. But a broken link doesn't do us much good. See WikiProject Oregon/O-vanish for more information about link rot, paid newspaper archives and importance of always using full citations.


 * I left the statements because, well, I assumed good faith that they were true. At the same time, I added the refimprove tag for the overall article. I could have fact tagged each individual statement that you added, but there are several other facts in the article that were also unsourced. Would you prefer I delete all unsourced info in the article, because I can do that. Some editors do so and they are well within their rights to do that. I tend to take a more moderate approach to things that obviously aren't vandalism. It seems you added several other statements that also aren't cited, so I'm a bit confused about your concern.


 * If you have the title, date, and author of the News-Register sources, feel free to restore the citations. If fact, please do. Sometimes this info can be gleaned from archives. This will help in case someone wants to check the source article for accuracy and for our readers who might like to do further research. I hope this helps. Katr67 (talk) 20:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's what the article will look like with all unsourced info removed. Katr67 (talk) 20:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Please advice
We have modified the content as per WikiPedia norms. The required references proving site's authenticity has also been integrated. May we now remove following header from the page? coi

Please advice.

Digital Techno (talk) 09:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

minor nitpick (with myself)
School colors. Is it "Royal Blue and Gold", or is it "Royal blue and gold", or (the compromise) "Royal blue and Gold"? I'm not a language geek. (it's for CGHS) tedder (talk) 05:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Door number two. Thanks for playing! Katr67 (talk) 13:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Another one for you. I somewhat like the edits, but it's a muddy paragraph. I'm the first to admit my wordsmith skills aren't the best. tedder (talk) 04:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Blech. I find this less compelling than untangling the Bull Run Watershed article, but I'll see what I can do. This job might require chocolate... Katr67 (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Authors of Oregon page
Do you think we should start a page regarding Oregon's resident authors? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.228.168.208 (talk) 05:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Dayton nitpick?
Can you look over this edit? I'm not 100% sure how to handle the conflicting infoboxes- for instance, I removed the addr and coords from the NHRP infobox. tedder (talk) 17:46, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Supposedly there's a way to nest infoboxes with the NRHP one (poke around the WPNRHP template pages), but I couldn't get it to work. That would be what I would do (nest them), besides remove the dupe info like you did. Let me know if you figure it out! Katr67 (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh, okay. Looks like consensus might be to add NHRP designation to the other templates- i.e., infobox school should have fields for NHRP so the second infobox is left behind. I don't think I'll worry about it, since it's the only one in the state (so far). tedder (talk) 03:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiBacon bot results
Hey Katr67, I've been developing a bot to show collaboration and initial edits between two Wikipedians (i.e., how did we first cross paths?). Here are some initial results involving you: User:TedderBot/Bacon_Results. Please let me know what you think on my talk page: User talk:Tedder. tedder (talk) 01:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Jean Baptiste Charbonneau
Hey Katr! So, I just was wondering why you removed the information I put on the Jean Baptiste page about Colin Sargent's fiction book that is based on fact about his life. I've read the book, and I know that even though it is fiction it does provide a great insight into his life. I would like to be able to keep that post up on that page to help people that enjoy reading fiction works on people's lives. Thanks so much, Mtwomey08 (talk) 14:09, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Because your edit was exactly like, and too close after this COI edit and because you also seem to be a vandal. Feel free to argue for the book's inclusion on the article's talk page, bearing in mind the principles of "just because someone else's book is listed in the article doesn't mean yours should be" and Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a random collection of information (nor is it a place to promote your book). Good luck. Katr67 (talk) 17:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't intend to come across as a vandal in that Limington comment, it is just a "Limington" thing that people everywhere know about. And, I didn't realize that someone else had already placed that book on there and it had been removed; I just had read it and felt that it should be added to the page. Thanks again, Mtwomey08 (talk) 17:12, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Mulino, Oregon - Howard's Grist Mill or Mulino Flour Mill
I have several photos of The Flour Mill or "The Mill" as we like to call it. Both inside and out. The Mill is currently for sale by owner. All pictures are mine, I took them myself so there would not be any copy right problems - I, as well as Smiley_12_91, live in The Mill. We have a lot a historical information that was provided to us the the time of purchase. If you have any questions that I might be able to answer please feel free to ask. I might be able to scan some old photos we have, but I am not sure if there would be any copy right problems with that - the photo came from the historical society. My email address is lizzyvickie ***at*** aol.com. Thank You Smileys_Mamasan.71.117.171.4 (talk) 20:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

King Estate Winery
Katr67, thank you for providing oversight on this article and your efforts to insure that the article complies with Wikipedia's guidelines which I am still learning.

I apologize for your having to correct the capitalization on the King Estate Winery article multiple times. I am new to editing wikipedia and obviously have made a few mistakes while getting acclimated. Why is it that you capitalize "Pinot" but not "Gris" or "Noir" that doesn't make sense to me, either Pinot Gris is a proper noun or it isn't but it can't be half a proper noun. As far as I know there is no actual authoritative guidelines on whether or not Pinot Gris or Pinot Noir should be capitalized in that fashion or not, it is typically considered a matter of preference, but I've never seen "Pinot gris" used due to the inconsistency (except as the beginning of a new sentence when someone is choosing to go lowercase).

I notice that you or someone has noted that the article has a "major contributor with a conflict of interest". Can you help me out and explain what needs to be done in order to assuage those concerns? Almost every single sentence in the article is cited with a highly credible source. In most cases the leading journalists in the wine industry are being cited. These sources are widely accepted as authorities on the matter.

Thank you again for your input, and thanks in advance for any guidance you are able to provide.

SK (talk) 22:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Fun stuff
If you are looking for a good DYK opportunity, see Frenchglen Hotel State Heritage Site. I added an article from the Oregonian which describes some interesting use of dynamite that would make a good hook. That source and the state database and the UO library one should give you enough sourcing for a 5X expansion. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * another Oregon name theory and a citation for Oregon as the 20th state (they go by order after the first 13). Aboutmovies (talk) 07:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

disambigs
FYI, prompted by your comments at Talk:Phillips House, i've asked for some wider feedback at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation. I do think there's some room for improvement in the NRHP dab page format that i've been applying. I'd welcome your general or specific comments in that forum. doncram (talk) 08:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Digital Trends
Hi,

We have updated the headline. Please help me with a little detail on the remark "rm unnecessary cats and els" that you've shared out with my article titled 'Digital Trends'

Your suggestion will help me to make this article better. Also please suggest me the way to move this article to main article page.

Thank you.

Digital Techno (talk) 11:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I simply removed some things that don't belong on a talk page, which has nothing to do with how the article would look in main space. I also didn't look at the rest of the suggested edits in terms of whether or not they fit our guidelines. I've restored your suggested edits to the talk page and I'm inviting other editors to come help you out. I'll check in later, I'm very busy right now.


 * Can folks who watch this page work with this good faith (and yes COI) editor and try to help him/her out with the article? (Note that I have made no assessment of the notability of this entity) Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I started to fix the last batch of changes, but it was too much work. It seemed better to go back until before them, so I reverted.  Some of the new content is probably salvageable, but needs citations—a lot of work.  —EncMstr (talk) 22:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)  That's strange.  It must have been a different article.  —EncMstr (talk) 22:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey Enc, I think you were thinking about the Skipper's article... Gotta run. Katr67 (talk) 23:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

I have updated the main article page while affirming the reference of content with a popular electronic product review website (www.digitaltrends.com). In addition, I've also did some minor copy editing to make the article stand in terms with wikipedia rules.

Please suggest.

Digital Techno (talk) 06:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Why don't you leave a note at WikiProject Oregon. Folks may be slow to reply over the weekend, since hopefully everyone will be outside enjoying the nice weather. :) I probably won't be on here much for a few days. Cheers, Katr67 (talk) 07:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Sterlingville and Copper
Should either of these be on this template? Sterlingville is nonexistent and Copper is beneath 100 feet of water... If you had a reason, that's great, I'm just wondering. Thanks,  Little Mountain  5   20:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, why not? I like having all the settlements in one place, even if they're gone now. But I'll leave it to to make the call, as he maintains all those templates. If it were me, I'd add a new section for ghost towns, but I don't want to do that without discussing it with him first. (I was going to add Golden too, for a trifecta of metal-themed towns, but it's in Josephine County. I'm hoping you're planning to write an article on it! Because I've been too lazy to do it. Or are you strictly a Jackson County person?) Katr67 (talk) 21:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. I'll look into Golden sometime, too. I just like to write about things I know about, have been to, etc. Thanks,  Little Mountain  5   21:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Golden's a blue link now! Feel free to fix it up, I usually leave something out. :)  Little Mountain  5   16:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome! I'll take a look. Katr67 (talk) 18:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

My comments on Talk:Chaba River
Hey Katr67, sorry about my comments that clearly went over the line on Chaba River & especially Talk:Chaba River. I guess I shouldn't let my temper get the best of me. As for that Insert Insult Here thing I posted, that was extremely inflammatory & should never have been posted. I will take full responsibility for it.

There was a reason behind my angry rants though. I was getting really pissed off at the fact that that page seemed to be a party house for any IP users looking to vandalize Wikipedia. The comment that "this page seems to attract a lot of REALLY STUPID PEOPLE" was referring to the numerous IP's that were trying to make a mockery of the page & Wikipedia in general; especially that identifying information redacted like you said "he should find something better to do than vandalize Wikipedia."

Anyhow, my second approach is going to be a little less attacking. Why don't we put a lock on the page? Locks are put on pages that are constantly vandalized. If we put a lock on it, all the vandalism will disappear. What do you think of that? Cheers AndrewEnns (talk) 18:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep, sorry to say, your actions weren't much more mature than the vandal's. It would be best if you took the advice here. Page protection isn't necessary, he's not that prolific a vandal and all the vandalization of that page is likely the same person. Since Wikipedia is the "encyclopedia anyone can edit", page protection should be used only sparingly. It's not really worth discussing further, since in the grand scheme of things it's only a minor annoyance. But thanks for your concern. Keep the page on your watchlist and revert when necessary. That's all you need to do. Take care, Katr67 (talk) 18:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. It would be nice if you removed the personal attack from your userpage, even if you didn't mean it that way. More specifically, the slight on other people's usernames doesn't belong there. Katr67 (talk) 18:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * So how are my actions just like that of a vandals? I was the one trying to stop the vandalism & if you look at my past, I have had very few problem with personal attacks & that sort of thing so I wouldn't be acting as though I'm a total idiot here.  The only time I do those types of things is when I'm really annoyed about something & looking at that page's history, I think I was justified to be more than a little bit annoyed.  The entire history is filled with IP users' vandalism.  I'm just trying to make Wikipedia a better place; my comments were rude but my intentions were good.  I actually really get a lot of enjoyment out of busting vandals so I wouldn't act as though I'm a totally immature person.  Immature comments were made for sure but in general I'm not that way (whether it be on Wikipedia or not).  So if you would not dismiss what I don't believe is an anything-but-a-constructive idea I would appreciate that & I would also rather if you weren't quite so quick to call me an immature person.


 * Once again, sorry for the comments but I didn't post them for no reason. I know I'm taking the sorry but route however, like I said, I put them there for a reason.  If you leave out the comments like "your actions weren't much more mature than the vandal's" I think that would be better; I find comments like those inflammatory.  They also came right after I took the time to apologize for something I did, (something many people would not take the time to do) so for you to say that is quite downgrading to my apology.  I'm sorry if I come across as a jerk however I have very strong feelings about what is going on on that page so that is why my comments are slightly aggressive (most of the time I'm not like this, trust me). AndrewEnns (talk) 19:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I never said you weren't acting good faith. I didn't say you were immature, I said your actions were. But now methinks thou doth protest too much. How about you don't post on my page anymore and I won't bother you again. Keep up the good work. Katr67 (talk) 19:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * So now a constructive conversation is too much protest eh? Good idea, I'm not going to post on your page anymore; you don't seem to be someone who I want to be talking to based on the dismissive replies I've gotten from you. I'm done trying to make you understand me.  Go ahead, tell everyone how much of a jerk I am, hold a huge bias against me, I don't care.  Just remember this: I was the one who took time out of my own day to apologize to you about something I did.  I was the one trying to be constructive, something that probably can't be said about the other party here.


 * Thanks for trying to make me look like an idiot... it kind of sucks when that kind of thing backfires on you! AndrewEnns (talk) 19:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar
Awwww. Thank you! I wasn't fishing for one, honest!!!! Katr67 (talk) 23:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we know you gnomes. Always showing off.. tedder (talk) 04:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

talk page invite
Mind dropping in at Talk:Exotic Magazine? tedder (talk) 16:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm there right now. I'm modest and psychic too... Katr67 (talk) 16:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, thanks. I was going to ask you, and it (re)reminded me when I saw you on the main page. tedder (talk) 16:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Ocean Grove, Oregon?
Any idea where Ocean Grove, Oregon, was or what it became, other than Clatsop County? In 1891 it became a city. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not in OGN or in the accompanying CD, but Charles H. Piggott, built Charles Piggott House, better known as Pigott's Castle: . I wonder if this was a place like Eola--a "build it and they will come" kind of place. But they didn't. George K. Grimes turns up in Seaside: . Could that be it? 1891 was definitely the era of speculation and the boostering of seaside resorts... J. Q. A. Bowlby turns up in several searches too. Mrs. A. H. Morgan and Mrs. C. W. Knowles turn up in some Oregon Pioneer association notes. Sounds like a fun bit of original research that might lead to some reliable sources... Further searching reveals that there is an Ocean Grove plat/addition in Seaside:, , etc.: . I hope that helps! Katr67 (talk) 14:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking. I was hoping OGN had the answer. I think you're right with it now being part of Seaside, but I too haven't found a source saying so. Guess we need a Clatsop County correspondent with a Clatsop County Geographic Names/Dictionary of Clatsop County History book. Or maybe one day a complete online database of all the newspapers. Thanks again. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I wonder how they're coming on that 8th edition of OGN. I should drop the McArthurs a note. Are you done mining the old laws for incorporations? Any other interesting finds? Katr67 (talk) 21:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm done for now. If I find another "journal" in that series I'll scour it for more. Interesting, yes, did you see Winchester? Also, there use to be a north and south Brownsville, and both seem to have been incorporated. Also, it appears almost all the current cities have been "incorporated" several times. Possibly originally as towns, and later as cities. Plus, it looks like all charter changes had to be approved by the legislature back in the day, so there are lots of the "special laws" changing random things in charters. It would be nice to have full dates for each incorporated city, and full dates for incorporation/deincorp for all the former cities (maybe even make tables for the lists to include this along with images and pop). As with the KISS "film", that was before my time, well I was alive but likely still in diapers. As to MOSTEDITS, I saw that a while back and can't believe how many people above us I simply do not respect as editors. Plenty of editors I do respect, but amazing how many bad ones stick around. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Crabtree Christian Church
Hi, I am Dave Nolte, pastor at CCC. Glad to see something on wikipedia; I am just curious about who you are and how you relate to CCC? Thanks, Dave 71.210.23.56 (talk) 14:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Dave. How I relate to CCC? I rode my bike to Crabtree, and took some pictures. :) I love small towns and it's an interesting place. I am an amateur devotee of historic preservation (hoping to go pro someday) and I love old (say, pre 1950) church architecture. Your lovely church has great shingles. Do you know the history of the church? Looks like you just celebrated its centennial! Katr67 (talk) 15:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Crabtree Christian Church website
Hi, I'm Dave Nolte, current preacher at Crabtree Christian Church in Crabtree, Oregon. We now have a web site: http://www.crabtreechurch.com

We just held our 100th anniversary celebration on July 19. Thanks for putting this info up on the web. DN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.210.23.135 (talk) 02:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Dave, thanks for the link. Generally we don't put links to local churches in the external links section of articles, because Wikipedia is not a directory. If you add a history section to the web site, however, I may be able to use it as a citation in the article. Did your celebration get any press coverage? Cheers, Katr67 (talk) 02:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Salem-Keizer School District logo resize
Thanks for resizing that logo! I could make a thumbnail or that size, but haven't quite figured out the images yet. Your help is much appreciated! BellaMaeMe (talk) 16:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

need any photos?

 * User talk:Tedder

I'm going to cover a lot of very small roads in Southwest Oregon (south of Eugene, west of I-5). Have any "high priority" photos you want? Post them to the list above. tedder (talk) 18:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Thrill-Ville USA
Hello Katr67, this is an automated message from SDPatrolBot to inform you the PROD template you added to Thrill-Ville USA has been removed. It was removed by Aboutmovies with the following edit summary ' (rm prod, found 3 sort of 4 sources in The Oregonian, likely the SJ has even more if someone has access (will expand later and add pics)) '. Please consider discussing your concerns with Aboutmovies before pursuing deletion further yourself. If you still think the article should be deleted after communicating with the 'dePRODer,' you may want to send the article to AfD for community discussion. Thank you, SDPatrolBot (talk) 23:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC) (Learn how to opt out of these messages)
 * How dare AM finding out the place was notable after all. Curses! Katr67 (talk) 23:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * First you get deprodded, next think you know you'll be blocked for disruption. tedder (talk) 23:40, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not like its the most notable thing around. But I did find out it is not related to the Enchanted Forest, which I always just assumed it was. And how it looks now, all abandoned, someone should film a teen slasher movie there: Slash-Ville USA! Aboutmovies (talk) 07:19, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Are either of you old enough to remember Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park? Good stuff. Katr67 (talk) 21:55, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

too much work?
Am I creating too much work for you with the school articles, or does it not bother you to clean up things like that?

In any case, I'll be less available until Monday, then out motocamping, so probably no new school articles until I get back near the end of September. Reminder to self: post vacation note. tedder (talk) 02:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, you've saved me a lot of work actually, and given me incentive to continue working on my end of the high school project. Besides, ferreting out potential dabs is a great way to avoid actual responsibility. And since I dabbed a lot of redlinks at one point, I'm the one who ought to straighten everything out, since in many cases it's unclear there are other schools by a certain name.
 * You might, however, if you're feeling spunky, make sure all the new articles you create have all the appropriate cats on them (location, elementary, middle, high, boarding, private, etc.) hint hint :) Man, I wish I got a summer break that long! Enjoy! Katr67 (talk) 02:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The cat thing- cats is one of my weak areas. I need a primer to the proper cats to use, but now probably isn't the best time (since I'll forget before I need them).
 * Break- indeed :-) Looking forward to it, and taking advantage of the semi-free summers while I have the opportunity to do so. tedder (talk) 02:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back, Mr. COTW
Howdy after a long message absence to those of WikiProject Oregon. To answer a common question, no you did not get removed from the COTW notification list, I was just too busy to send out the notification for the last change. So, thank you to all those who helped improve Central Oregon and Mount Jefferson, as well as those who added infoboxes and adopted a governor. For this edition of the COTW, we have partly by request and in honor of the return of college football, Duck football and Beaver football. If you are a fan of neither, maybe go back and work on a governor or add infoboxes this time around. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

State of Oregon
Is there a reason why you think "State of Oregon" should redirect to Government of Oregon and not to Oregon? Rreagan007 (talk) 21:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not given to doing things on the wiki for no reason :) so yeah, when using proper capitalization, when an article is referring to the capitalized State of Oregon, it is referring to the government of Oregon and not to the physical territory of Oregon. Check "what links here" for examples of how it is used. The first hit on a Google search on "State of Oregon" is Oregon.gov, the official website for the state government of Oregon. If there were some way to make lowercase "state of Oregon" redirect to the physical state, and uppercase "State of Oregon" redirect to Government of Oregon I would be all for that. The most common usage on this wiki, however, is referring to the government, as most articles referring to state itself would simply use "Oregon" or U.S. state of Oregon. Perhaps it could be turned into a disambiguation page. What do you think? Katr67 (talk) 22:03, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm well I can tell from your work on Wikipedia that you're probably more informed about Oregon topics than I am, but I find it strange that "State of Oregon" can only refer to the government of the state and not the state itself. If that's so, then the official state name listed at U.S._state and the state name in the infobox at the main Oregon page would seem to be wrong. Also the Flag of Oregon and Seal of Oregon both have "State of Oregon" on them, and I find it strange that the state flag and state seal would be referring to the state government. And looking at the wikilinks for "State of Oregon", it seems that a lot of them should be pointing to the main state article and not the government article. Lastly, I doubt many people are looking for the state government article when they type "State of Oregon" into the search box. I really think "State of Oregon" should redirect to Oregon, but if you think it's likely there would be people looking for the government article when typing in "State of Oregon" perhaps you could put a hatnote on the main Oregon article. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm a little surprised to learn that several hundred people type in or otherwise arrive at "State of Oregon" in a month, so it's probably worth getting this right. I'm inclined to agree with Katr, but it's always a little tricky getting into the heads of hypothetical users. I don't think there's anything unique about Oregon here; I think it's probably best if this sort of thing is handled consistently among states, though I don't know that there's ever been a discussion. Probably a good idea to bring it up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states. (Another surprising fact: Commonwealth of Massachusetts redirects to Massachusetts, while State of Massachusetts redirects to History of Massachusetts. Whoda thunk! -Pete (talk) 05:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI I've listed "State of Oregon" at Redirects for discussion. Your comments there are welcome. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Opps
Hello Katr,

I hear your concern. I will take action to not be in conflict. If you are willing to read my experience: I have an appreciation for your edits on wikipedia especially when you were able to help me with the Lost Valley article. I have appreciated learning from other editors and observing how they handle conflicts and use wikipedia tools like templates and hatnotes, by example. It is of course good for me to see that you have verbalized a request. Seeing requests on the project page seems less helpful to my learning how to edit wikipedia effectively rather than seeing actions performed by editors, but I see and appreciate your perception, will honor you request, but will not be watching the project page as it doesn't seem to fulfill my goals, (as I understand how project pages function). I thank you for the suggestion and apologize for any perceived rudeness for my part. Peace, rkmlai (talk) 05:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

International School of Beaverton
I saw the comment that you left on my talk page (I'm not sure what to call it - correct me if I use any incorrect terminology). I actually have experience and know about how the school works and about student life. I don't really know how to cite experience, if it is even possible on Wikipedia. Also, do you live in Oregon ? (I saw all of the notes on your talk page while I was trying to figure out how to post a comment). If experience is not citable inform me. However, I think that the page before I changed it also had a few stuff that were not on the website cited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mellivora (talk • contribs) 03:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes, talk page is the correct term and yes, unfortunately, personal experience is considered original research. If the information is notable, sometimes you can find the information by Googling for it. If you can't find it on Google, it's possible it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. For example the facts in this sentence: "Students have lockers that they can put their binders and backpacks in. The lockers are periodically checked in order to make sure that the school environment is safe. Students also have a gym locker, where they can put their gym clothes and gym equipment," are not notable as that is a common feature of all schools. An encyclopedia article should contain information about why the school is unique. I can't quite parse that last sentence in your post, but if you mean there were facts on the page that weren't backed up by the citations used, then you can either remove the information (and citation) or remove the citations and put a fact tag at the end of the sentence. If you mean "there was other uncited information in the article when I edited it," read about other stuff. I hope that helps. Yes I'm from Oregon, and let me know if the "read me" box at the top of the page isn't clear enough about how to post a comment. Cheers! Katr67 (talk) 00:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
For cleaning up the odd edit to my userpage. I'm really glad to see that you are still here and active! Keep up the good work :) Doc   Tropics  00:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Nice to see you too! If that message had any substance, I would have copied it to your talk page, but I figured you'd see that it didn't. I think it's a newbie for whom English is a 2nd language and is also mistaking Wikipedia for facebook. Yep, I'm still plugging away. I'll stop when it's finished. ;) See you around the wiki! Katr67 (talk) 00:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I found the keys to your trophy case lying around
...so I went in there and shuffled some stuff around. Might have left something behind in the process. :) -Pete (talk) 18:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :D Katr67 (talk) 01:05, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Nestucca River
I'll add it to my to-do list. I've been traveling and unable to go on-line for about five days, hence the belated reply. I'm glad you deleted the copied stuff; I think I did a geobox for the Nestucca about 10 days ago, but I didn't carefully review the main text. Finetooth (talk) 22:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Portland Demography
You are invited to add to my comments YBG (talk) 07:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I have worked up four alternative tabular presentations for the Portland, Oregon demography that include the additional information that was reverted. You are invited to have a look and comment here.  YBG (talk) 04:57, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Gates Elementary
Hi Katr. I just posted a photo of what I thought was the Gates Elementary School to the Gates, Oregon, article. However, an embedded link that's in the "Education" section of the article goes to a web site with a photo of the school that looks nothing like mine. I wonder if my shot is of an administration building or an older version of the school. Have you any idea? Finetooth (talk) 17:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey. Great question. (And nice pic--much more interesting than the new building.) I think your guess is correct--that it's the original school, but I haven't been out there (it's quite a long uphill bike ride). I also note that the school looks an awful lot like the grange in Rickreall, the church in Bethel, and the museum in Keizer. Former schools all. Like AM joked one time, they must have all ordered their school from the same Sears Roebuck catalog! I wonder how many of these there are left in the state. This is only two counties worth! Katr67 (talk) 17:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The older schools seem to be two-story and squarish, while newer ones are long, rectangular, and one-story, rather like ranch-style houses. The older ones are much better for kids who like to throw paper airplanes or water-filled balloons out a second-story window when teacher isn't looking. Finetooth (talk) 20:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)