User:Vanished user 9j34rnfjemnrjnasj4/GA redacted content

Newsletter
I have done a draft for a newsletter. Can you guys have a look. Cheers --  NickGibson3900 Talk 04:13, 7 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm going to say "maybe" to that design. I was thinking of going somewhere along the lines of the this. But maybe the older design would be more suited for what we need.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 12:52, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I like Nick's design, but the green background is too dark, making it difficult to read. Please lighten.  Also, could we wait to publish it until after we've gotten everything else set up?  I'm working on the Scoring section today. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 14:19, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think before we do ANYTHING, all the pages for the GA Cup (scoring, home page (the proposal page shouldn't not be this), etc) must be set up and finalized.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 14:43, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, maybe we could use the "tabs" to help with navigation? I've added them to the main page for an example.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 14:52, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I like the tabs, since it parallels the design at the GA page. I've completed the scoring page, and have linked it to the appropriate tab. Also, I made some changes to Nick's newsletter draft; if you guys like it, we can go ahead and publish/disseminate it.  Didya notice that we haven't even started things yet, and we already have two participants?  Woo-hoo! ;)
 * I'm rethinking how we should set up the Submission section. I mean, we're not going to be nearly as extensive as the other competitions, so perhaps we should set it up in sections like the Stub Contest.  So yes, I've changed my mind; let's go with a Entries section. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the third point under the general rules section. I left a question that should be addressed.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 01:34, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I saved before I should have. Thanks for the catch, I fixed it. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 02:08, 8 September 2014 (UTC)::::
 * Just to clear things up. Are you three actually competing of just running the competition?  NickGibson3900 Talk 05:37, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Not me. I'm not sure I'll even be a "judge". I really have to focus on my last year of high school.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 11:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * And Figureskatingfan, the change you made to the third point is a repetition of the last point. The third point says that a review must be done ONLY by you. So what happens if I ask for a SECOND OPINION?-- Dom497 ( talk ) 11:29, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Indent: Duh, sorry I guess I wasn't thinking when I wrote it, but I've corrected the oversight and moved the point up in the list. I think it's clear now: if your review needs a second opinion, it still counts, if it's complete. Nick, I don't think that judges should compete, and Dom, I totally understand if you're too busy. I appreciate your input, anyway. We really should clarify, though: who's willing to serve as a judge? I am, since I'm the fool who came up with the idea. Q, are you in? And Nick, are you interested?

I think we're close to beginning the contest, but I still have a few more issues. Dom, thanks for constructing the tabs. Go to the individual talk pages for my questions. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't know exactly if I can be a judge. like Dom, the school year has just began and things are just settling in. I've got a very busy life for the next few days. I might me more available then.  ΤheQ Editor   Talk? 00:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Here's what. I'll be a judge...and I'll try to do as much as I can.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 02:01, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Great, Dom. I'll tell you more: I'll be the "main" judge and you guys can assist as needed.  I'm willing to do a lot of the work, but I'm not willing to do it alone. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 02:06, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * As I live in Australia, my school year is coming to an end and over most of the competition I'll be on holidays. I reckon I could work beside Christine as a helper/secondary judge. Also I guess that means I'll have to take my name off the participation list.  NickGibson3900 Talk 05:34, 9 September 2014 (UTC)g


 * Good idea, I guess I'll just be a minor judge. I'll help however I can.  ΤheQ Editor   Talk? 12:59, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I have made some changes to the newsletter so take another look. Also, I think I'm done "developing" the pages so I guess we could send out the newsletter within the next day or two and start advertising the Cup.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 00:57, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Nice!!! I think it is ready for delivery. BTW which list are we using for recipients?  NickGibson3900 Talk 01:31, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm going to use the WikiProject list for the first newsletter and then whoever wants to continue receiving GA Cup newsletters can add their names to the page linked in the newsletter.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 18:49, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Signpost
So after looking into it, it appears as if we can have a full blown report on WikiProject Good Articles if we want (similar to this one) all before the GA Cup would start (perfect timing actually....it would be in the Sept. 24th Signpost). Anyone up for that? That will surely attract attention.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 22:57, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that would be great. I will participate if it's set up.  Is there any way we can have them ask questions about the long backlog, since that's the main reason we're conducting a competition?  I think that the focus should be on the backlog and the steps we're trying to take to solve the problem. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 02:04, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll get going on the request.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 02:11, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * So I got us a report on the 24th (we can go on the 31st if we want but I think that's a bit late). This is more for Figureskatingfan, but you can ask the questions to yourself here! For everyone else, are you interested in being part of the report?-- Dom497 ( talk ) 19:02, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Forgive my denseness, but does that mean that we can go and write our own questions? If so, I should be able to get to it by tomorrow night.  Do we want to talk about what questions we want here first? Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 00:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think we should draft some questions here first. I think that we can all answer a few questions and at least two should answer per question. Also I think, Christine, if she wants to, should be the main answerer as she will be main judge and, Dom and I can answer the questions we think we are the most knowledgable. One more point: I think we should make it so the answers to the questions are saying exactly the sam thing as this is boring for the reader.  NickGibson3900  Talk 05:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC) BTW if everyone is "watching" this page, pings are know longer needed.

About the newsletter: I think it should be sent out ASAP to all users on the WP:WPGA newsletter list. I think before the signpost if possible.  NickGibson3900 Talk 05:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think we need to wait a bit longer before we send out the newsletter. I'm still making changes to the pages (creating new ones, re-organizing, etc) so the GA Cup pages are not finished yet. Also, did you forget to put "not" in this sentence or you mean what you wrote, "I think we should make it so the answers to the questions are [not] saying exactly the sam thing as this is boring for the reader."-- Dom497 ( talk ) 18:40, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did forget to put not, whoops thats changes the meaning of the sentence doesn't it.  NickGibson3900 Talk 05:46, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, but how about we set a deadline? We need to give ourselves plenty of time to get the word out.  Dom, when do you think you'd be able to finish everything?  End of the weekend (9/14)?  Also, I think that when Dom decides we're ready, regardless of the time, that's when the newsletter should go out.  Sooner rather than later, though. ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:35, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Questions

 * What motivated you to join WikiProject Good Articles? Do you review featured articles as well?

We all answer this one.


 * The Good Article nomination process has been known to have a large backlog. Why is this?


 * What exactly is the GA Cup and its purpose?


 * Why did you decide to create the GA Cup?


 * What ever happened to the Backlog Elimination Drives?

I don't know if this is a good one. I'm just making a list of all the possible questions.


 * Is there anything else you'd like to add?

Per all WikiProject reports.


 * What are the project's most urgent needs? How can a new contributor help today?

Again, per WikiProject reports, I think we have to include this one.

-- Dom497 ( talk ) 19:56, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

's comments on 's questions
--  NickGibson3900 Talk 05:46, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * What motivated you to join WikiProject Good Articles? Do you review featured articles as well? - Good
 * The Good Article nomination process has been known to have a large backlog. Why is this? - Good
 * What exactly is the GA Cup and its purpose? or * Why did you decide to create the GA Cup? - They are to similar in meaning to have both. I'd say the first one.
 * What ever happened to the Backlog Elimination Drives? - I'd say no but thats just my thinking
 * Is there anything else you'd like to add? - Good
 * What are the project's most urgent needs? How can a new contributor help today? - Good


 * I have pasted a bunch of questions that we can answer here.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 20:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Questions and comments by Coin945

 * 1) The GAC backlog is severe as is. Do we have the resources to cope with a massive influx?--Coin945 (talk) 18:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Influx of what? Participates or nominations?-- Dom497 ( talk ) 19:46, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I meant an influx of nominations. But it appears there is no focus on bringing articles up to GA for review. Only reviews. So this is moot.--Coin945 (talk) 20:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

You bring up a good point. For the first GA Cup, we will only be focusing on reviews. Depending on what happens, we may introduce writing good articles next year. Also, as far as I know, awards will be barnstars (unless you or someone else wants to donate).-- Dom497 ( talk ) 19:46, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) GA is not like destubbifying or focusing on improving one article within a period of time. This is about creating really good articles.. Multiple times. We'd better have good prizes.--Coin945 (talk) 18:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * People around here seem to be self-motivated so we should be fine. But asking people to bring multiple articles up to GA in the future may cause problems.--Coin945 (talk) 20:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * 1) won't making people rush GAs result in much more shoddy work?--Coin945 (talk) 18:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * We've been working on the details. If you take a look around at some of the pages (which we are still making changes to), we will make sure no one is rushing reviews. They will be disqualified if found to be doing so.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 19:46, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Just playing devil's advocate to ensure all possible negatives are explored. You seem to have things under control.--Coin945 (talk) 20:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * 1) Where are going to find the contestants? Is there anyone willing to take part atm?--Coin945 (talk) 18:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * We got a report going into the Singpost in a few weeks...we're also going to send out a newsletter. If no one wants to participate, oh well. We tried...but we do believe there will be interest...maybe not 100 people interest, but interest for sure.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 19:46, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Just playing devil's advocate to ensure all possible negatives are explored. You seem to have things under control.--Coin945 (talk) 20:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback! I've brought the writing articles "idea" to the attention of the other judges. "Writing" never came across anyone's mind. I just want to see where they stand with it (I rather not having the "writing" component for the first competition). Also, are you planning on participating?-- Dom497 ( talk ) 22:07, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I will add a few things in response to Coin. Personally, I don't think we should ever change the focus of the GA Cup to include writing GAs. That doesn't seem to be a problem here; the issue we're trying to address and hopefully solve is to increase the number of reviews. The pressing issue and problem we're trying to solve with the GA Cup is to decrease the long backlog, the consequence of which will be to increase the number of GAs. In my mind, the more GAs WP has, the more potential FAs it will have, which will mean higher quality articles. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:53, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Question
I've been thinking about this for a while so I just want to see where your heads are at. With the current set-up, we have to check every single review. With a 500 article backlog, and all the other things we are doing, that's a lot of work for us. I think getting a bot to do some of the work is out of the question for this GA Cup (unless one of you know a bot creator willing to make a bot that, for example, updates the "Pool" section with points). So now I ask this question: Is reviewing every single review even feasible? But maybe I'm not understanding something. By "reviewing reviews", do we mean that we will look at a reviews byte size, look at the article byte size, and look up the nomination date (as this is what the points are based off of)? If so, then ignore everything I said, because I believe that is feasible. If we mean literally looking at the entire review and making sure everything is perfect, then we have a problem.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 19:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think that we'll need to be as thorough as you're talking about, Dom. I think that looking at the criteria you list won't take that much time, since they're easily checked.  The only thing that I think might take a little longer is figuring out the reviews byte size.  Is there a bot that can help us with that?  Of course, the initial stages will take more time, but as we get further along, the time required will greatly decrease.  We may have to elicit more judges to spread out the work more. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:58, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think a bot exists. We can use this tool (I have no idea if it works on talk pages) or this tool.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 20:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the response. Easy enough.--Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 20:52, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm. We could ask the bot operator of the bot for the WikiCup as it would probably have a similar code however it's just easier to use the script or tool. Also three competitors signed up before any "press release" is a good sign --  NickGibson3900 Talk 21:02, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Note
Hey guys, this cup is looking great. It seems from the above posts that the GA cup may need help with judging. Would you like me to judge? No is a reasonable answer, and I completely understand. Cheers! Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon!  22:30, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm kind of busy right now, so may you three decide. The user has 4 reviews Talk:Ernest Radcliffe Bond/GA1 Talk:Vaillancourt Fountain/GA1 Talk:Nitro (Adlabs Imagica)/GA1 Talk:Obsessed (2009 film)/GA4. Cheers,  ΤheQ Editor   Talk? 23:02, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * First, thanks for showing initiative and commitment to the GA Cup! For now, I'm going to say stick with being a participant. If something changes, I'll let you know before the competition starts.-- Dom497 ( talk ) 01:55, 13 September 2014 (UTC)