User:Velella/Archives/Archive 16

Merry Christmas!

 * Thank you. That is very kind. Nadolig llawen a blwyddyn newydd dda!  Velella  Velella Talk 22:38, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of Duplicate
Hello Vella

COIN
I agree with your report at COIN. It's tough to prove though.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:34, 24 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I appreciate that. I will try and see what else I can find in support, but it is tough without seeming to be vindictive. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 16:44, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:H. H. Holmes
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:H. H. Holmes. Peaceray (talk) 07:55, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Recent Edits to Odessa Page
Dear Reviewer,

Happy New Year!

With all due respect, the updates were based on facts for e.g. For a Page on Odessa, winning Miss Odessa by someone who is a native of Odessa seems to be a valid update.

Having said that, maybe I could have done so with a little less glorification of achievements. I will make the necessary edits and resubmit for review. Hopefully, it will be acceptable to you and the community.

This is my first update to WikiPedia and if I have violated any norms, it is clearly because its the first time. My apologies.

Hoping for a favorable review on re-submission.

Biografer
Hello! We met back when you brought Biografer to COIN. Weird end to that story: he or she was just blocked for evading a ban for three years. S/he used to be editor Mishae. All of Biografer's articles are now eligible to be deleted via G5 if they have not had significant edits by others. See the SPI and Biografer's talk page.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:22, 13 January 2020 (UTC)


 * - Thanks for the heads up! I have long thought that this user(s) was(were) a paid editor and this outcome hasn't dissuaded me of that view, except for a recent event when the subject objected the the page that had been created and requested deletion. Not the obvious trade-mark of a paid editor, but weirder things happen on Wikipedia. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 06:59, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Navigation popups
Hi Velella, I'm not sure if you're using navigation popups. Personally, I find popups to be useful for scanning an editor's level of experience, which helps me communicate with them. Popups display an editor's registration date, most recent edit date, and number of edits when you hover over their username. If you've never tried using popups and you'd like to give them a try, I hope you find them useful. —  Newslinger  talk   07:12, 13 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. I have them enabled but clearly wasn't using them. I find that these days I am forgetting more than I can learn - but these do sound useful so I will persevere. Regards.  Velella  Velella Talk 07:25, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Kanthi D Suresh
Hello Velella, any idea if this new version has anything better then the previous version that you nominated for deletion? I notice it was deleted at Kanthi Suresh as well. GSS &#x202F;&#128172; 13:41, 21 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Regrettably I don't recall the previous article's content. However, this latest incarnation has no notability - all interviews by her or with her, nothing that speaks to notability. I strongly suspect that the subject is very keen to get a Wikipedia article and may be using different editors to achieve her aims. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 20:46, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

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Deprodding of Kennard F. Bubier
I have removed the tag from Kennard F. Bubier, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! JaneciaTaylor (talk) 00:22, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Double post on User:The Peterson Brothers
Howdy,

I think you may have missed the username COI message on the talkpage, but I would reccomend removing that from their user page.

Best, TJH2018 talk  22:16, 11 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, wrong place and wrong message - my bad. Thanks for letting me know. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 22:58, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Tom Piggott
Why was my article deleted there was nothing wrong with it and had plenty of good references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Random Pig1 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 18 March 2020 (UTC)


 * - It is always disappointing to see an article you have worked on being deleted. Wikipedia is unlike most other web-sites in that it operates under very specific rules of notability as can be found at WP:GNG. These rules and guidelines specifically exclude social media content as sources of notability. For the record, I didn't delete the article,. I proposed it for deletion and the consensus was for deletion. I don't have the power or authority to delete articles. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 19:36, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Dadasaheb Phalke International Film Festival re-created
This article has shown up again; it was under Dadasaheb Phalke International Film Festival Awards but it doesn't make sense to have an awards stub without the film festival itself. Since you were involved with Articles for deletion/Dadasaheb Phalke International Film Festival, can you check whether the same content was reinstated and whether it qualifies for CSD? You can look at created on 19 March. Also do you think any of the editors need SPI? AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)


 * This has turned into an AFD. Articles for deletion/Dadasaheb Phalke International Film Festival (2nd nomination) AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:27, 23 March 2020 (UTC)


 * thanks for the update. I have added my penny's worth at the AfD. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 22:59, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Kodak Ektra
Hi, you removed content I added to the Kodak Ektra page, including a high resolution image of the camera, plus a link to a relevant article about the camera in External Links. I don't understand what was wrong with this, but it was removed for being used as a "soapbox". -Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike Eckman (talk • contribs) 02:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Answered on your own talk page. The reason for reverting your edits is that they included a reference to your own web-site which appeared to be promoting your publication. Please see fuller response on your user talk page. Thanks  Velella  Velella Talk 02:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Concerning the vaporwave edit
WHy did you remove my edit?, I figured that a community with around 900 members and Ive seen a lot of influential artists that is currently in the vaporwave community is an important piece of history for the genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeleteSystem32 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 4 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Nope. A primary source, not a reliable source, so no  Velella  Velella Talk 09:25, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Link spamming
hello sir, i am not promiting my content, i am just share imformation or knowledge or actual fact on that topic. i dont need any money from my website. just sharing knowledge to other.

dont worry my site did not harm you

thank you for reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suraj sorthiya5860 (talk • contribs) 11:30, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * All your edits were link spam. I note that you have re-inserted the spam links and that another editor has reverted them - again. Please stop doing this or you may find that you are blocked form Wikipedia.  Velella  Velella Talk 20:02, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Chhonkar Jat
Please don't delete 'Chhonkar Jat' page Please sir Pkschhonkar (talk) 12:37, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I haven't deleted it, but I can see no encyclopaedic value in the article and have re-proposed it for deletion. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 12:39, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Why sir Why r u want to delete this page Pkschhonkar (talk) 12:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Please see the deletion page for details, but critically it does not meet the general notability standards.  Velella  Velella Talk 12:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok sir Delete this Pkschhonkar (talk) 12:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Caernarfon Food Festival
Many thanks for your comments on Caernarfon Food Festival, this is a contribution to WikiProject Festivals. and is a food project to document the major food festivals of Wales as part of the documenting of Welsh social and economic history. Welsh food is a collecting area of the Museum of Welsh Life and is considered an area of study. On the basis of festival selection, the notability criteria are: they are in a list on Wikipedia, they have a significant number of visitors, they are a significant event in the town in which they are held, they have a defined social purpose, and preferably they are seen as notable by meriting public funding through Welsh Government. See also List of food festivals in the United Kingdom which adds the further criterion as follows

"As a criterion, established festivals should all have a devoted website to which they are linked."

I trust the above assists.

User:Vouliagmeni

Dovetail Joints
Hello Velella,

I'm Cam, Red Brewer's content manager, and I want to first thank you for bringing the spam links to our attention. I'd also like to understand what the issue is. Please clarify, are the edits considered promotional because we included a brand name in an entry? Or is it because there are affiliate links on the page our entry links to? Because while there are a few affiliate links on the pages, I believe the pages themselves include useful information relevant to the topics and that is what I'd like to pass on to Wikipedia readers.

I understand completely that there are probably a ton of people trying to spam on here, but I can assure you that is not our intent. We would like to rectify this as soon as possible.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

Kind regards,

--Redbrewer12 (talk) 15:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Cam Russo

Content Manager thebestscrollsaw.com


 * - thanks for coming back to me. There are a number of issues here. First of all you have a conflict of interest on Wikipedia. Wikipedia strongly deprecates editors writing about themselves, their business, their employers and anything where there judgment might be swayed by their affiliation or payment. Secondly, what you(?) added to several Wikipedia articles is link-spam - embedding commercial links into an apparently innocuous piece of text as a reference. This is unacceptable, and, as you have experienced, it is rapidly removed. Persistently adding link-spam is likely to get the editor blocked. Thirdly, you are probably quite right that some advertising spam has crept into some articles. Regrettably there is only a finite amount of resource available and we are all volunteers. However, as you will have experienced, I delete as much as I can and I would invite you, as a Wikipedia editor, to do the same. As long as you don't post any link-spam, deleting spam from your competitors, or anyone else, is not only acceptable but welcomed. Fourthly, I have a little concern that your Wikipedia username is not being exclusively used by yourself. The wording above suggests that more than one person may have edited under this user-name. Where user-names are found to be used by more than a single person, that user-name will be blocked permanently. Perhaps you could give me some re-assurance on this point. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 17:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Velella,
 * Yes, the account is under Mr. Brewer's name, but I (Cam) was the one tasked with making the edits. Thank you for clearing this up. Going forward, if any further edits are made, we will do so according to the editorial guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redbrewer12 (talk • contribs) 23:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

G5
WP:G5 is only available when the article was created after the master account was blocked. was blocked 15:24, 25 May 2020 and the article was created at 09:02, 25 May 2020. Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 06:12, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * - My reason was that user:Pkschhonkar, who was the ultimate master (see here, was blocked on 14th May. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 07:49, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Deleted. There was nothing in either of their blocks (which point to each other), their talk pages, or your G5 pointing to Pkschhonkar. Cabayi (talk) 08:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I had assumed that all the SPI reports had been concatenated into a single archive, but perhaps not. It is always difficult to know whether to use the most recent puppet-master's name or to use the true puppet-master's name. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 12:21, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Always use the master's name. Template:Db-g5 will then link to the SPI page, and to the categories listing the master's confirmed and suspected puppets.
 * I'm now doubting the deletion... I think I read 's comment "they are blocked as socks of each other" out of context & only &  were confirmed, not . Cabayi (talk) 16:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I read that as indicating CU had confirmed that they were socks of  but that significant doubt existed as to whether  Pkschhonkar was the master or whether there was a bigger picture with an older master lurking somewhere - which is what I suspect. But, that is just my interpretation and the basis for the CSD tag. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk  16:38, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The two accounts were confirmed to each other. I found no connection to that "master" account; evidence that they are socks of Pkschhonkar will have to come from either deeper CU-digging or behavioral evidence. It seemed to me, by the way, that the behavioral link was clear, but I wasn't looking for that. Drmies (talk) 20:10, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Dissapointed

 * Please leave any comments on the article for deletion page here. The decision whether to delete or not is not mine, I am not an Administrator. Thanks  Velella  Velella Talk 21:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Vella: I am finding your comments very disrespectful and subject to report, as you probably haven't checked the sources to notice the newspapers or awards can't be offered to the artist by the artist but by recognition of the festival or the authors! Joyab (talk) 01:00, 30 May 2020 (UTC)Joyab

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a request
I recently came across Articles for deletion/Karen McGrane. The way you phrased your nomination strongly suggested you did not try to comply with WP:BEFORE.

If you are not familiar with it, BEFORE says those considering calling for the deletion of weak articles are supposed to make a meaningful effort to conduct their own search for RS that wrote about the topic. When a topic has inherent notability - based on ALL the available references - policy calls on us to try to improve the article, not delete it. A nominator can't determine if an article's topic has inherent notability, without performing their own meaningful web searches. A weak article might be weak because it was written by inexperienced contributors, or because a vandal or POV-pusher had gutted it, and no one noticed, or new better references may have been published since it was last worked on.

Now maybe you did comply with BEFORE, and did actually perform meaningful web searches? That would be great! My request to you, in that case, if you ever nominate another article for deletion, could you please check to see if your nomination implies you skipped researching the article's underlying topic?

Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 18:25, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I am baffled. Nothing in my nomination could be interpreted as implying that I did not do searches before nominating. The reality was very different. I assumed that I was missing some claim to notability that wasn't obvious but that was so obvious to others that it did not seem worth mentioning. So I did indeed do searches and still found very little. I also noted your comments to the author of the article making the same but rather more veiled comments but I chose not to respond there. Your thesis, I infer, suggests an unwillingness to assume good faith. I have been on Wikipedia more than a few days and understand the working practices. If you had yourself found RSs, I am sure that you would have added them to the article to save it from deletion. Making comments like this, after the event, is neither helpful nor in the spirit of collegiate cooperation.  Velella  Velella Talk 20:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Follow Up to your nomination deletion
Hello,hope you are doing fine,l am writing to you in order to update you that l have made all the necessary corrections on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NazzKing (kindly check the edit history).l have also added more supporting non-blogosphere source links to back up the awards.Thanks, l am looking forward for your reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramsey555 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the efforts that you are making. However, I nearly always stay away from AfD discussions that I have started unless there is clearly a major change in notability. On this occasions and despite your good works, I still don't believe there is a case for notability. Sorry about that.  Velella  Velella Talk 08:20, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

The Bahman Tavoosi situation
I’ve been looking at the page's sourcing and I’m starting to wonder if there’s any notability in this at all. In fact looking back at the edit history the article was created by User:FarrahAb, who has been paying User:Mexi-Kiwi Mike to make these edits in the past few days. It also has been edited since creation by User:Joyab, who Mike has appeared to imply is linked to this with his last message on the article’s talk page. What do you advise on this? SK2242 (talk) 19:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I tend to agree. The sources are weak and, in one case, a dead-link. It looks a lot like self promotion of a film-maker with no great claim to notability. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk  19:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I haven't been paid yet, but they have stated they will pay me half to file a request edit, and chase down decent sources for his 3 director credits. So I'm waiting. Good times... Mexi-Kiwi Mike (talk) 20:53, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Well I guess you need to be quick the AfD is underway. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 21:08, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * A spot check of other directors in the same category shows that this article is in line with similar directors, with three or fewer films. Any many are less substantiated. The non-subscription sources recommended do not list his work (mainly due to geographic bias towards USA institutions).Mexi-Kiwi Mike (talk) 21:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , you may want to acquaint yourself with the essay WP:Other stuff exists. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:53, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

W. Stanley Moss
Hi I was trying to undo a redirect and have clearly made a mistake of some sort! Now you have marked for speedy deletion. Please would correct this for me as I dont know how to it. see my correspondence with Necrothesp (talk) Huguº  17:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


 * - All now sorted. The original move appeared to be a cut and paste move that would have obliterated the article history. The simple, and correct way, is simply to move the article which also moves the history. So all sorted and no lasting damage. What I am curious about is where the discussion for this article name change is? Articles like this are generally only moved when there is consensus amongst editors for a name change. I can't see that discussion. If you could point me to it, that would be great. Thanks  Velella  Velella Talk 20:36, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no actual need for an RM discussion if the move appears to be uncontroversial, as it appeared to me it was, given the name I moved it to is the name used in his biography. But as I said, I had no objection to it being moved back if there was strenuous opposition. -- Necrothesp (talk) 21:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Personally I would like to move it back to W. Stanley Moss but I don't know how to do it properly. So may be one of you could to it for me? Huguº  21:49, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks v much Huguº  16:14, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

River Severn
Hi Velella

I was in the midst of fixing those links when you became involved but we both got affected by some vandalism by an IP - my edits were only partially saved. We can check back to see what may still need fixing. For what should be an important article, it left a lot to be desired. I may yet have a go at the geology/geography section. thanks Geopersona (talk) 13:55, 14 June 2020 (UTC)


 * - Apologies. I should have checked the history before editing. The links just looked so weird that I though they needed urgent rectification. I'll treat more carefully in future. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 15:48, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Dim problem/no problem - they were weird and did need swiftly attending to! thanks Geopersona (talk) 16:07, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Fogging (photography)
Hello Velella! Nice to see someone who's been on WP for so long still editing! I've noticed recently, quite a few names I recognise, and have worked with have been banned. Sockpuppetry etc! Anyhow, I was editing Underground nuclear weapons testing, where it mentions photo film fogging from radiation created by the Trinity test of the first atomic bomb.
 * " … fallout was discovered after the Trinity test, the first ever atomic bomb test, in 1945. Photographic film manufacturers later reported 'fogged' films; this was traced to packaging materials sourced from Indiana crops, contaminated by Trinity and later tests at the Nevada Test Site, over 1,000 miles (≈600 kilometres) away.  "

I linked the fogging reference to the page you created, and noted that on 'your' page there is no mention of film fogging from 'radiation'. Like X-rays and nuclear fallout. If you don't feel like doing it, I should be able to find suitable sources. Like The Causes Of Fog In Radiographic Film. Just came to mind, this is in fact a very significant thing. IIRC, the fogging of photographic film plates is how radioactivity was discovered! See Henri Becquerel, or Radioactive decay. I was actually thinking Marie Curie was the one, but no. 'Your' fogging page says:
 * "Fogging in photography is the deterioration in the quality of the image caused either by extraneous light or the effects of a processing chemical."

I think (Edits in bold)
 * " … extraneous visible light, forms of invisible electromagnetic radiation, or the effects of …"

or similar needs to be sourced and added in. Just FYI. 😊 Regards, 220  of  Borg 18:43, 15 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Many thanks, I totally agree. If radiation didn't affect photographic material we would not have had X-rays in medicine. As my own darkroom experience can attest, using Uranium toner (it used to be legal!) too close to undeveloped material produces unwanted fogging. I can certainly look at upgrading the article, but please feel free to add well sourced text if you have it to hand. Some of my best source material was actually written before Marie Curie published her work on radiation and this source of fogging doesn't get a mention! Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 18:51, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

A goat for you!
Not that photoshopped, just contrast enhancement, but I think you think you own the title

Erturac SAU20 (talk) 20:43, 16 June 2020 (UTC) 


 * No,it was just very ill suited to the Roe deer article. If I owned it, I might have made rather more edits to it than I did. I am however curious as to why you posted this message here. Were you thinking perhaps it would persuade me that your addition was, after all, worth keeping? Was that likely ?  Velella  Velella Talk  21:17, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

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Copyright (Gimmeldal)
Hello Velella, Thank you, your impression is partially correct, but since I am an only owner of the Copyright of the text you mentioned, there are no conflicts. I am herewith confirming my 100% copyright-ownership. Please let me know if I need other kinds of confirmations to provide; otherwise, as a scholar, maybe of "old kind", I am not only quoting properly, but also checking plagiate-programms for my own stuff before the publishing, in order to make sure that the quoted second-sources are not perhaps "third"-sources etc. Thank you again for pointing out the potential Copyright issue; this one is I am aware of, but there are certainly many rules, I still need to learn when editing something for Wikipedia :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gimmeldal (talk • contribs) 06:24, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

About Removal of my Website's link
Hey!! Just wanted to know why was website link removed from reference and what was the reason for it. Also wanted you to mentor me for further help in editing.


 * Is that your website? I didn't know. The reason for deletion is that it is not considered a reliable source - it is essentially a blog . Also, in one case, you removed better quality references to insert your poorer quality source here. All of this is not permitted on Wikipedia and continuing to add such links could lead to your being blocked. If over the next few days and weeks you can demonstrate a willingness to make constructive and useful edits to Wikipedia articles, I might consider mentoring, but you would probably find me a tough mentor - I work to the rules and am intolerant of editors pushing the boundaries. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 12:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Bahman Tavoosi
Hello Velella. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Bahman Tavoosi, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: There's more information about newer films he's made, and more sources. That addresses issues around notability. COI isn't really assessible in CSD, but it's a different editor to last time. Needs to go back to AfD if necessary. Thank you. Ged UK  15:31, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Wrong deletion
Hello Venella! I saw that you are involved in discussion on erasing the page “Natali Thanou” and i wanted to provide reliable sources to explain her career in music industry in Greece and Serbia (her name is everywhere from Apple music, Amazon ,Google play, Spotify,Deezer) released 6 albums, have been interviewed in talk shows in Greece and Serbia as a been on the cover pages at more than 10 magazine like “Madamme Figaro” and “Maxim”. She won awards in festivals and crowned at the Greek beauty pageant 2007. So please reach out - since the page is deleted wrongly after your conversation. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveWins30 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The page as it stood lacked notability and searches didn't demonstrate any other sources that demonstrated notability. You can always start a new Draft page at Draft: Natali Thanou and submit it for review when it is complete, but it will need several much more reliable sources to pass the notability threshold. You will also need to reveal that you are writing an autobiography and have a conflict of interest. I also note that you have been canvassing several other editors on the same topic. This is, at best, unhelpful. Canvassing to promote an article is deprecated on Wikipedia and should be avoided. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk  21:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello Velella. This is part of a cross-wiki canvassing operation. User LoveWins30 has also appeared @ el/WP asking the user who had created the Greek article on Natali Thanou (actually, a translation of the one in English) to visit en/WP and have the deleted English article recreated . Regards. ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 04:54, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. This editor has also admitted that she is the subject of the article. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 07:41, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy of not templating a regular
I am going to do you the courtesy of not placing a template on your talk page. However you are edit warring in the notability template. I have addressed the item. I have invited you to discuss on talk page. And if you claim notability is not established you can place an AfD on the article. Presently the article has 14 references. Many news sources. Please enjoy your weekend and do not edit war. Lightburst (talk) 22:43, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Velella, I am not sure if I understand your comments on Bahman Tavoosi's page. Please advise. I am solely interested in films and trying to do my best to support artists in any way ( in my community or outside of my community) I can and not getting paid to edit or write for anyone. I do it on my free days ( have plenty since I am retired ).Inception 111 (talk) 00:29, 14 July 2020 (UTC)inception 111

article
Hi, I have an article that has not been reviewed yet. This is the article link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ahmed_Saady Ali.jamal3 (talk) 15:53, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


 * That is true. It isn't marked to be reviewed yet. Is that what you want ?  Velella  Velella Talk 16:31, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I would like the article to be reviewed. Ali.jamal3 (talk) 11:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Done. Submitted for review. Review may take several weeks to happen. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 12:20, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Ali.jamal3 (talk) 12:30, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Bahman Tavoosi and UPE?
I notice you tagged this as possible UPE. has asked the reason at WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk, and for it to be removed. Fiddle  Faddle  17:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Modification Request
Alvinkallicharran7 (talk) 23:17, 16 August 2020 (UTC) Hi, I am representative of the article Alvin Kallicharran, Trying to help with the putting more valid and current information Under his personal information - Remove relations Replace with his website. (https://alvinkallicharran.com/ ) which is currently Active

These are some of the source links https://www.newindianexpress.com/sport/cricket/2019/mar/27/chennai-batsmans-success-story-in-thirteen-chapters-1956324.html http://www.saibaba.ws/articles/whentheyplayed.htm https://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2018/12/31/gcb-extends-warmest-felicitations-to-batting-maestro-alvin-kallicharran/ https://www.standard.co.uk/news/alvin-kallicharran-signs-up-to-join-the-london-ambassadors-at-olympics-6529662.html

Please let us know How Can we do this Thanks Alvinkallicharran7 (talk) 23:17, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * You seemed to have already had a reasoned reply at user talk:Marchjuly, but I will emphasise that a Wikipedia article belongs to nobody. Even the subject of an article (possibly yourself?) is bound by the same rules as everyone else (see WP:OWN). You have already received advice about conflict of interest on your own talk page. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk  08:42, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

August 23, 2020
Question - why did you remove my page? It says I "hijacked" the link, but that's not what I did at all. All I did was update the discography page for NTWICM because no Wikipedia editor felt like doing it for 5 years.

Trevortnidesserped (talk) 17:52, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * No. It was a redirect link to a UK compilation, You already had a draft for the USA compilation awaiting a review. The two things are different and separate. It was not, in any case "your" article, any article is "owned", if that is the correct concept, by the combined editing population of Wikipedia. Regards.  Velella  Velella Talk 19:33, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Emergency call without SIM
All mobile phones that use SIM cards are required to provide the ability to place an emergency call (to 112, 911, 999, etc.) via any available network without a SIM installed. There are many sources that state this, but I have yet to find one definitive source that will address every country, phone and network. I have also yet to find any source that states that one cannot.  General Ization Talk  22:13, 5 September 2020 (UTC)


 * - Yes, I was aware of a number of sources, yet I knew from my personal experience working in an emergency response organisation that the capability in the UK had been withdrawn for many years, yet it still apparently remains a capability in many other countries. Finding a reputable source for that is difficult, and identifying where it is and where it is not applicable is even trickier. I thought it safer not to have the unsourced sentence which I know to be untrue rather than have incorrect info in the article. I have no problem in it being restored provided that it is clear that the availability of this service varies from country to country and is not available in the UK. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 22:59, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Yerevan Park
I'm confused why by page and refer was removed I tried to delete the draft page and use the reg page as the official page. DJddog5 (talk) 14:49, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * The page you put into main-space was wholly inadequately sourced for an article. Nothing demonstrated notability. Sources were neither reliable nor independent.  Velella  Velella Talk 14:52, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * What would be considered a reliable source then? I cited the parks Facebook aswell as website the News Articles available are outdated on the project. DJddog5 (talk) 14:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:GNG which provides relevant advice. For the record, social media such as Facebook, is never acceptable as a reference. Please do not try to create articles without first familarising youreself with the basic principles of Wikipedia, its policies and guidelines. It will only lead to frustration and dissapointment. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 15:03, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

My last edit.
Hello

Rusty Rita is a common nickname for the Angel of the North.

https://jillslawit.wordpress.com/2018/12/10/rusty-rita/

If I knew how to put that citation in - I would. Please can you update it for me?

It's not vandalism. It's relevant to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.100.234 (talk) 21:45, 23 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry but Jill's blog is not a reliable source  Velella  Velella Talk 21:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Template:National nature reserves in Wales
No problem at all I'm just glad to see that it works, I had never created a template before and to be honest I was having some difficulty inserting it into a page. Thanks a lot. Sionptomos (talk) 09:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Carson Tueller
Hello Velella, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Carson Tueller, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:08, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Wood Nymph
"A wood nymph named Mrs Butters appeared in the Fifteenth Season of the television series, Supernatural in 2020" Your response: Undo the edit with the reason hardly important/relavent

Why ? Supernatural is a relatively known show and as such used a mythical creature in their latest episode. I added use of said mythical creature to its list of depiction in popular culture. Is it not relavent because you think supernatural is less popular and as such its depictions of creatures don't belong I think it should be re-added. Wikipedia doesn't exist on the basis of what you think is relavent or not. It exists to provide information. I dont see why adding this would do any harm. Hpdh4 (talk) 21:03, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

A heads-up
Your nomination of Day Pitney inspired me to expand When complying with BEFORE is not straighforward. Geo Swan (talk) 03:04, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Your addition is pure conjecture and not based in fact. Had you discussed it with me first I could have disabused you of the notion, but, hey-ho, AGF goes out of the window. History does not equal notability.  Velella  Velella Talk 10:52, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Clarification please...
 * Are you saying you did perform meaningful web searches on the firm's earlier names, as and I suggested in the AFD?  Okay...
 * Please don't resent people taking what you wrote at face value. If I read something a respondent wrote, and I suspect they meant something other than what they wrote, I seek clarification.  I have no intention of capitalizing when a respondent mis-spoke, and said something other than what they really meant.
 * As for your assertion "History does not equal notability," could you clarify that? If you were asserting that "Oral history does not equal notability," I'd agree 100 percent.  But RS writing about a topic - ie history - is precisely what we use to determine notability.  You do know the root meaning of history, versus pre-history, don't you?  We study prehistory through studying the oral or pictorial record of events before anyone started writing anything down, or by studying the bones and artifacts left behind.  History begins, by definition, when people start writing down what happened.  Geo Swan (talk) 21:50, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * .....and they continue to write it down, on blogs, on twitter on their own Wordpress sites on social media and so much more, all of which we ignore. History equals notability ONLY when presented by an RS, not otherwise. I neither "mispoke" (which appears to be an Americanism for "lied"), nor did I fail to do before searches, nor do I respond well to overt patronising comments. Further discussion by you on this talk page is unwelcome.  Velella  Velella Talk  08:03, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Appriciating the Guidance
Hi Velella, Much thanks for theGuidance. A.R.V.Ravi

Deletion of Duplicate
Hi Velella, If a page has been created in duplicate, then the same can be moved. A.R.V. Ravi


 * Please, when writing on any talk page, please sign your posts with four tilde " ~" . Wikipedia does not support duplicate pages. If there is an attempt to move a page with the same title over an existing page, the process will abort. So a duplicate page cannot be moved. In the case of the article that you have created, there would be little point in moving it as  it it still some way from demonstrating notability.  Velella  Velella Talk  09:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Raspberry Pi 400
Hi Velella, I was wondering why u reverted my changes to the raspberry pi page. I fact checked everything and made sure I wasn't providing false information. From, Feet the yeet (talk) 17:37, 4 November 2020 (UTC) -edit: I saw your comment and just added a row to the pi 4 section — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feet the yeet (talk • contribs) 17:48, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

AfD for CyberSEO (plugin)
Hi! I saw that you tagged CyberSEO (plugin) for deletion, but it seems like the AfD page was never created. The main contributor, User:Andrewsix then left the following message on the empty AfD page: Since the AfD page was never actually created I will delete the AfD page so you can re-nominate it properly if you wish. Best/ Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 09:31, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ". You said the description format is not suitable for Wikipedia. Could you please explain what exactly is wrong with it and how it differs to the descriptions of other WordPress plugins (e.g. Yoast SEO) or content aggregators (e.g.Cooliris (plugin))? Should I fix something in my article? Thank you in advance."


 * Thanks for letting me know. Twinkle sometimes seems to do this - half a job but misses the final stanza. Usually, I spot it but obviously not in this case. I will re-do it manually. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 09:33, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you reviewed
Hello, Velella

Thank you for creating CyberSEO (plugin).

User:Barkeep49, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with. Please remember to sign your reply with ~.

(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

Barkeep49 (talk) 13:15, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm Barkeep49. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, CyberSEO (plugin), and have marked it as unpatrolled. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

Barkeep49 (talk) 13:15, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * - that is absolutely fine.I had tagged it for AfD but Twinkle failed to complete properly and left the AFD report undone but nevertheless marked it as reviewed. It is my intention to revisit and re-assess for AfD and process it manually if needed. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 13:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Actually it's worse
was just the first of what is now also refspam. I undid the whole lot and warned the editor. DMacks (talk) 17:40, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Somehow that doesn't surprise me.... Many thanks for all the reverts. In my experience a single warning often isn't enough so I will be keep an eye on this one's contributions. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 17:43, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

BabuH007
Dear Velella,

We are sorry that you judged negative our scientific work but we are a recognized non profit foundation (BabuHawaii Foundation) and MDPI International peer-reviewed Journal advised us to published in Wikipedia to let the community know about our findings.

Just let us know how we can reference our work on the related pages regarding micro plastics and microorganism identification. Looking forward to hear from you soon.

Best Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by BaBuH007 (talk • contribs) 04:23, 7 November 2020 (UTC)


 * It is most inappropriate for MDPI to advise you to published references to your work on Wikipedia. There are many reasons for this. Firstly Wikipedia looks to secondary or tertiary sources to support assertions made in articles. Only rarely are primary sources acceptable and then only where there is no secondary source and the matter being referenced is of some significance. Secondly, posting the same reference across many articles is regarded as link-spam, not an attempt to improve Wikipedia but an attempt to get more notice for your publication. Wikipedia is not there for the promotion of your reputation, the reputation of the journal or publisher or the reputation of the body you represent - for more on this please see WP:FORUM .  Velella  Velella Talk 20:03, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

ANI notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Blocked editor Abbas Kwarbai threatening Velella. Thank you. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  09:02, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

NSTEP Article
I have published NSTEP Article. But it was send to Drat. Again I have Submited it for AfC. But it was renamed as NSTEP 2. Changing the Topic without giving any chance to me as NSTEP2 from NSTEP is not appriciatable. User:Vellella shown his or her Experience. i'm not disappointed as you said. Time is the Teacher. Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.R.V. Ravi (talk • contribs) 18:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)


 * - The title is not an issue. If you are able to demonstrate that the subject is notable using multiple reliable and independent sources, then it is very simple to move it to the correct title. I believe that it is at the current title because of a pre-existing draft article using the same name. If it can be made notable, name change will be no problem. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 21:30, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Distilled Water page
Please could you elaborate further what was inaccurate about my addition? To the best of my knowledge I added purely factual information, based on my own knowledge and research. Rickitplus (talk) 22:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Reference link removed
We meet quickly again! Please could you explain why this reference link was removed. I agree that placement could have been better but it was an article which I found useful and thought it was very relevant. Rickitplus (talk) 22:16, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * OK. Let us deal with both queries with one answer. Before that, however, it is a normal courtesy on Wikipedia to link the problematical edit with a diff like this or, at least by quoting the relevant article (but with a leading colon inside the square braces) such as Distilled water. Without links, it means your interlocutor has to take time to find the edits amongst, perhaps, many hundreds of others.


 * Regarding the distilled water edit (linked above) the text you added had no reliable and independent source. It also did not relate specifically to distilled water and would more properly have been included in Properties of water as indicated in my edit summary. It also used the words "....is about 373 kelvin". Readers don't want to know what the approximate temperature is, they want to know what it is precisely. So I reverted it as unsourced, inappropriate in this article and inaccurate. One reason would have been enough.


 * In Commercial credit reporting here you add a link to a website which is overtly advertising its products and contains nothing of any encyclopaedic value. The mere fact that it was a blog would have been sufficient reason to reject it. The commercial nature of the site only compounded the issue. Embedding an advert link in a wodge of text is called link-spamming and is always rejected on sight and, if repeated, can lead to the editor being blocked from editing.   Velella  Velella Talk  23:39, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * 1. Okay [distilled water] is “water” that has been purified and therefore the monocular structure is much closer to H2O then non purified water. Distilled water boiling point at 1 atm (14 PSI) is 373.15 Kelvin (see ). Rickitplus (talk) 11:55, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * 2. Re Commercial Credit Reporting link, I didn't notice any reference to selling products there wasn't even internal link to any other page. I could potentially copy the information from the page and cite it? I did also notice that the second refence link is to a website home page that is directly promoting credit referencing. This link definitely has no value. Rickitplus (talk) 11:55, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:WhiteHat Jr
Hi, I've updated the article and removed text that violated the copyrights of the sources, now most of the refs are about the recent lawsuits and data breach. Is the article acceptable now? -- Eatcha 21:39, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I would prefer to let other editors make that call. That avoids any suggestion that one particular editor has a grudge against an article or its creator. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 22:57, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. -- Eatcha 05:57, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

New Page Patrol December Newsletter
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 * Year in review

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen McGrane
Just so you're aware. If it can be improved, that's fantastic but it's always trouble when the article subject gets involved. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 01:05, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Pee Pee Island
Hi,

I saw that Pee Pee Creek had a sentence about the internet popularity, so I added one to Pee Pee Island as well. If that doesn’t belong on Wikipedia I wanted to tell you that. JayPlaysStuff (talk) 15:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Already sorted  Velella  Velella Talk 15:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

AirVuz website
Hi! You recently deleted all links to a website called AirVuz. The links are highly relevant - I was adding External Links to pages on subjects where AirVuz has a high quality drone video of the location/subject or where AirVuz has a curated collection of drone videos on the subject. There is no copyright violation here; people who upload their videos to AirVuz give us the right under the site license agreement to do this. Moreover, the linked pages have original descriptions on them written by our site editors. If you look at (for example) the collection page that I had linked under "Wales", what you will see is a curated collection of high quality videos, with appropriate descriptions, of pretty much any location in Wales that anyone cares about. From a single page, you can see what Wales looks like in a way that is unique from any web page in the universe. This page couldn't even been uploaded to Wiki Media as it's a page not an individual piece of media. THe linked site doesn't even have any ads on it; this alone I think qualifies it as being something other than spam. In any event, there is nothing spam like about it, all of the links were entirely relevant, and I just don't understand why you would want to deny the Wikipedia user base the right to see this resource - it makes no sense. I would urge you to look at 3-4 of the links you deleted; if you can give me a cogent argument about why you think these links need to be removed I will go away but I need to understand your logic. THank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Misrael2710 (talk • contribs) 15:59, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , what is your relationship with AirVuz? 174.212.222.125 (talk) 16:57, 21 December 2020 (UTC)


 * - It is worth noting that it is not only me that has been reverting your additions but also users, ,  and  , all of whom in their own way believed the content that you added was inappropriate. I objected to your link additions because of of the very obvious advertising nature of the web-site to which the link directed you. Once there the content was not freely licenced in a compatible share and share alike licence and in fact your site states "You agree to not distribute in any medium any part of the Service or the Content without AirVūz’s prior written authorization.....". Thirdly you have a very clear conflict of interest in promoting this site. Fourthly the content does not have any obvious encyclopaedic content. Images and videos in Wikipedia are intended to assist the reader in understanding the encyclopaedic point being made. These drone videos are simple eye-candy which, although often very pretty, do not add any understanding. On a purely personal point,  I greatly resent the insect like and insistent noise of drone in the wild and open spaces of the world. I routinely ask to see valid authorisations of people operating drones and have yet to have been shown any valid permission. I will continue to argue here based on Wikipedia's rules and guidance but please don't expect any special dispensation from me - it won't be forthcoming.  Velella  Velella Talk  17:08, 21 December 2020 (UTC).


 * For what it's worth, I removed a load of links on pages; they clearly fit our definition of SPAM. Ask yourself a simple question, Misrael2710: if your links are valid to have on all these pages, then what else is?  Youtube channels, facebook groups, postage stamp websites, and on and on and on and on we go.  What do we end up with?  External link sections on prominent articles with tens or hundreds of links.  Is that appropriate?  No, of course it isn't.  Hence the spam guidelines I link to above, hence why we deal with external links the way we do.  Wikipedia is not a web directory.  Please don't re-add them. SFC9394 (talk) 17:26, 21 December 2020 (UTC)


 * "I just don't understand why you would want to deny the Wikipedia user base the right to see this resource" - No one is doing so. WP is Not a collection of links, nor is it for advertising (neither free nor paid). There are many other websites for those purposes.Shajure (talk) 20:19, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for Suggestions
User talk:Velella, made sugesstions on Conflict of interest, as per Wikipedia norms. It is noted. My Articles will be made without any conflict of interest. Thank you for your experienced words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.R.V. Ravi (talk • contribs) 09:54, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for Suggestions
User talk:Velella, made sugesstions on Conflict of interest, as per Wikipedia norms. It is noted. My Articles will be made without any conflict of interest. Thank you for your experienced words.--A.R.V. Ravi (talk) 10:16, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Just deleted that section
Hi. Thanks. I just deleted that entire section, anything from lat-long.com. Thanks for your comment.Wil1andar (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:49, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Reversion on English personal pronouns
Would you mind quoting the part that says singular they is only possible in reference to persons? Also the ungrammatical sentences was intentionally ungrammatical and marked as such (that's what the * means). It was there to exemplify the point.--Brett (talk) 18:35, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The issue was already adequately explained in the text immediately above it. There is also a full article dealing with the topic and your additions were wholly unsourced.  Velella  Velella Talk 20:46, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia
Thanks for identifying the source of the material in your edit.

This type of edit does get picked up by Copy Patrol and a good edit summary helps to make sure we don't accidentally revert it. However, for future use, would you note the best practices wording as outlined at Copying_within_Wikipedia? In particular, adding the phrase "see that page's history for attribution" helps ensure that proper attribution is preserved.

I've noticed that this guideline is not very well known, even among editors with tens of thousands of edits, so it isn't surprising that I point this out to some veteran editors, but there are some t's that you need to be crossed. S Philbrick  (Talk)  15:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Not a problem. The whole interface between the two articles Eutrophication and Nutrient pollution is very unclear and teasing out what belongs where will take some days to resolve. The edits are very much a work in progress, but I will ensure that as the dust settles that proper attribution is made.   Velella  Velella Talk  16:08, 12 February 2021 (UTC)