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Section retitled: Cwm Rhondda
I show a posting below that I received last night on my talk page, together with my reply, and the user's response:

Bread of Heaven

I enjoyed your collection of flags at the top of this page.

I know (the English version of) the hymn that includes the line "bread of heaven". In fact, it is right up at the top of my favorites. But please tell me what is the specific connection between Welsh rugby and "bread of heaven".

Thanks, Wanderer57 (talk) 22:35, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Cwm Rhondda is a very well known Welsh hymn tune. First performed in 1907.  Cwm Rhondda translates as "the Rondda Valley" in English, and more often than not, sung to the words: Guide me, O thou great Redeemer.  Wales rugby union supporters adopted it years ago, although the reason is not understood, apart from the fact that it is an inspiring song which everyone knew (Sundays in chapel) and could keep repeating, and repeating... I think it splendid.


 * It was sung at the funerals of both Princess Diana and the Queen Mother, and at the wedding of Prince William and Catherine Middleton.


 * Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 23:25, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * It is indeed splendid, both tune and words.  The version I learned (in the United Church of Canada) began Guide me, O thou great Jehovah.


 * The part of the story I did not know was its adoption by the Rugby union. A great anthem, known to everyone in Wales.  I guess it is a natural.  Wanderer57 (talk) 03:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)



I am wondering if you would be kind enough to add below any knowledge you may have on this topic.

Many thanks for your time.

With kindest regards,

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk)


 * Hello Victuallers.
 * Thank you for getting straight back to me. I saw your message just after you posted it, but I had to rush out then.  Thank you, too, for your advice.  Kindest regards,  Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

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Helen Barry
Thanks for the message. I've done what I could for her. To confirm the 1990s info, you need to do more newspaper searching. Happy editing. -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

MonmouthpediA assessment
I have corrected a number of your recent assessments in MonmouthpediA from Importance=med to Importance=mid. The former just gets parsed as no assessment. welsh (talk) 19:43, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Helen Barry
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Hallaton Helmet
Hi Victuallers, I know it's a bit late for National Helmet Week (!) but I thought you might be interested in seeing the new Hallaton Helmet article that I've written. I had the opportunity last weekend to see the helmet itself on its first week of public display, so we now have some nice pictures for the Commons. Prioryman (talk) 22:17, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
For the hard work you do for WM-UK.

LauraHale (talk) 08:19, 9 February 2012 (UTC) 

Gui vs Kang Hou Gui
I reverted your links as the Gui (vessel) article is about guis in general, and the A History of the World in 100 Objects gui is one very specific, historically significant gui. I feel strongly that the links for AHOW objects should be to an article about the specific object in question, not to a related article about the type of object it is. I have written a draft article for the specific object, Kang Hou Gui, but never finished it because of conflicting information about where it was found in different sources (3 different possibilities). I will try to finish it off so that we can have a specific article to link to for Object #23 (but will be away over 1/2 term next week, so won't be for a couple of weeks). BabelStone (talk) 13:01, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Just a quick note to say thanks for the barnstar, and also for identifying an already existing photo at User:Russavia/Required_photos. Appreciated. Cheers, Russavia ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) 16:15, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Pre-Raphaelite adventures
You might be interested in my latest Pre-Raph adventures. I've listed all six of the pictures in Leyland's drawing room at DYK (under Feb. 9). Actually it's only 3 that qualify for DYK - but the others need to tag along IMHO. Also 2 Pre-Raph DYKs on Feb. 14. If you need a late Valentine's Day card, try Love's Messenger

All the best,

Smallbones (talk) 21:57, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Unique Identifiers
I have created WikiProject Unique Identifiers for discussion and coordination of all UID related matters. Please join! Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview
Dear Victuallers,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and

Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's

Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we

teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community,

and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what

you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community

[[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_82#Learn_to_be_a_Wikipedia_Administrator_-

_New_class_at_MSU|HERE]], where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my

students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training,

motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one

of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:
 * Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
 * Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of

communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
 * All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will

never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
 * All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an

interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
 * The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics

review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have

been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak

with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I

will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your

name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be

more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

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Association of Applied Biologists
Darwin was born quite some time before the Association was borne. But like I said, it was one of the first for Applied Biology. There's a reference from 1938 here http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1744-7348.1939.tb06964.x/pdf. I will look at this when I have more time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.171.163 (talk) 16:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Monmouth Cemetery
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Galleries of Justice
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St David's Day DYK
Hi, just to let you know, Nikkimaria appears to have a few close paraphrasing issues with the Monmouth cap DYK nomination. If this can be addressed quickly this hook still can go through for St David's Day. (Unfortunately I'm going offline in a few minutes so won't be able to look at this myself, but if there are still issues later on tonight/tomorrow I'll have a go at fixing them then.) Don't forget to mark it with a DYK?again for a re-review. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 18:50, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Monmouth Cap
Hi Victuallers. I think you're confusing Monmouth Cap with my review of Monmouth Cemetery (which went through on the intended day). I had nothing to do with the Monmouth Cap nom. I think you're supposed to talk to User:Nikkimaria. Best of luck. Manxruler (talk) 09:55, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * What's the deadline for the article? I'm only logged in for my lunch break, so I don't have a lot of time. Nikkimaria would know what to look for, and could probably remedy the situation quicker. Manxruler (talk) 10:11, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

trial
Very interesting. I'd really like to help, but between now and 15 March I'm very busy in what you might loosely call the real world (i.e. travelling to Oregon where I am to give 3 lectures). After that, I'm relatively free, but you probably need work doing right now ... Let me know anyway. And rew D alby 13:34, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for St Peter's Church, Dixton
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Information
Hello to you. I realise this may not be the exact page to request this information but do you know anything about this upcoming meeting in Monmouth? Is it going ahead and where are people supposed to meet? I have always been interested in attending one of these get-togethers but I am not sure whether this is correct for me since I only edit Wikipedia and have nothing to do with Wikimedia or any other sibling organisation. You on the other hand are an editor for both projects. Is this meeting extended to Wikipedia users too? If so, how should I sign the page given I have no "Wikimedia" article? Thanks Victaullers. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 05:24, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Monmouth Cap
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DYK for Monmouth Cemetery
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San Pablito
Thanks for the DYK nomination! Actually I stopped self nominating because I found the new process (from a number of months ago) entirely too confusing.Thelmadatter (talk) 16:01, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Vauxhall Fields, Monmouth
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Arthur Keily
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Rolls Picture
I'm working at the Nelson museum and the curator just told me that it was in London not Vauxhall fields since any Hot air ballooning was done in May Hill since the Gas works were there. Rmcurran (talk) 09:55, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Rolls Picture
I'm currently trying to find some pictures or just more info about Vauxhall fields but I definitely know there are some pictures of Rolls ballooning and once I start uploading I'll try and add a few. He was already quite worried about there being wrong information so I don't think I'll mention it. Rmcurran (talk) 10:17, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: MonmouthpediA
Thanks for the coffee! I am trying my best :). Hopefully it will be a successful project! --Istvánka (talk) 18:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of St. James' School, Dudley
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P. P. Carp image copyright
Hi. A quick note: I just want to point out that this more simply qualifies as PD-Art, since the author died more than 70 years ago. In 1931, more precisely. Btw, we are going to get the original image back, once this runs on mainpage, right? Dahn (talk) 20:46, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for San Pablito, Puebla
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Llanrothal, Henry Milbourne
Thanks, although I was considering a hook which would include Cwm, Llanrothal too and also crediting Rosiestep.♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Added, no probs. Rosie lives in Nevada or California. I live in the Vale of Glamorgan.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:27, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I think its a great idea and its nice to see a collaborative project and more likely to encourage you to work on it. Is it just the town of Monmouth or Monmouthshire as a whole?♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:51, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Another one. I'm happy to focus on Monmouthshire for a bit and create as many articles as you want.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Well I'm quite happy to keep nominating the articles! I shall be staying in the [] tomorrow night looking at the 50 or QRpedia codes we have there. 1,000 by April 21! There is a list of articles still required on the Monmouthpedia pages if we can feed your habit. :-) Victuallers (talk) 17:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Does John Arnold of Monmouthshire qualify? I'm afraid he was rather an unpleasant figure though!♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:10, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

No worries about the nom, Victuallers! So a {{MonmouthpediA]] party... sounds like a great time! As I'm 1000s of miles away, just nudge me with the webstream link when you can. Thanks, --Rosiestep (talk) 01:54, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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Image galleries in Monmouthpedia
You may want to contribute to the discussion at User talk:Stemonitis. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:05, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

The Challenge will run until ...
Someone was asking this on one of the project talk pages. I answered "19th April" because that's what I see on the banner: OK? You may have to decide what time on that day -- I seem to remember it mattered last time!

I am now free of other work and am wondering whether to join up as a competitor. If you would prefer me to help in some other way (I probably shouldn't wear both hats at the same time) let me know. And rew D alby 15:11, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Supplementary question: is it relevance and a link to Monmouth? Or living/dying/lying within about 4 miles of Monmouth? Or was there a different criterion which I've overlooked? And rew D alby 15:18, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
undefined — Bill william compton Talk   01:29, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

John Harfield Tredgold
Hello, I gather you are the original contributor of the article on Tredgold, which I have enjoyed reading. I had not realised that his wife also featured in the painting that documented the Anti-Slavery Convention. I have collated information on Richard Miles (I happen to live in the area where Miles laboured - and happen also to be a descendant of Tredgold). All good wishes and greetings from South Africa. Blarcrean (talk) 20:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Photography and UK museums
A little background:- in order to upload an image to Commons it needs to have a free licence. List pages demand images with free licences. Normally items in museums are old enough to be tagged as but there are a few legal twiddly bits- not a problem. What a is a problem is the photography conditions imposed by the museums themselves. I now enter a museum- buy a ticket and ask immediately what the photography policy is and experience shows that many museums are demanding a signature saying you will use the photos for your personal use only. This must be signed- but it totally scuppers use on Commons.

I have a folder on the laptop containing folders of Wikipedia intended images that I can't upload. For example MOSI Manchester, Queen Street Mill, Derby Silk Museum. We were welcomed at Derby and got enough material to do the job- we are totally frustrated in neighbouring counties.

So I am looking for a strategy. I am looking for best practice. Should we leave it to GLAM to draw up an agreement with the LGA Lbraries and Museums group to draw up an agreement that can be implemented in each council in the UK? Do we have a 'Approaching Museums kit' containing standard letters/ emails and restrictions we are prepared to make? Do we have a centrally maintained list of helpful/restrictive establishment? Has any of this been addressed?

I know this is a big one- but if you don't ask....--ClemRutter (talk) 09:54, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the British Museum policy, in the small print, is the same, but in practice they don't mind. Such restrictions do not I think affect whether the image can be validly used on Commons. Legally I'm told taking photos where you are not supposed to at all is a matter of trespass, & the most they can do is ask you to leave (and sue you ha ha ....). It does not affect the copyright position. Of course there are ethical issues, and you as photographer may be in breach of your implied or actual contract with the museum.  Changing official policies is typically a time-consuming & difficult business as lawyers have to be consulted, Trustees have to approve etc. Hope this helps. Johnbod (talk) 14:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Good answer John. Actually we are talking at a European level and to parliamentary enquiries, but I wouldnt hold my breath. The law is such a mess that you just need to find some prgamatism members with a bit of pragmatism. If this interests you then Wikimedia UK would like you to progress this as we do get asked about this by UKGOV. Victuallers (talk) 15:15, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Ganarew
Another one for Mpedia?♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Nono, but I have a big range of interests on a global scale and I go through phases of wanting to edit articles on local and British history and villages and sometimes I more interested in rather more exotic locations. Is there a deadline for the articles you want? Oh I see, the Charles Rolls Challenge...♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:41, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, if you've got an old evil bald mask and scar and grey Nehru suit lying around somewhere LOL! ♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:54, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Mmmmmwoooahahahaaa!! Blofeld is the master of disguise.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:05, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Add King Arthur's Cave to that.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:50, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Cwm, Llanrothal
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DYK for Llanrothal
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DYK for Henry Milbourne
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Cradle of Henry V DYK nomination
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Wow!
I've only just discovered this - brilliant! Who devised it? Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:46, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Challenge
Here's a challenge, then. See if you can get a DYK out of Ipomedon! And rew D alby 12:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, there's a link to Monmouth all right. Also a potential hook. But a bit rude :) And rew D alby  14:03, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Domesday
Thanks for the nudge. I had to go via Google to find the project page -- there were no links to it! -- so I've now added one at Talk:Domesday Book. Also added myself as a member. And rew D alby 14:22, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Chepstow
Have you seen this? Apparently someone called RB has been asked to "carry a positive message back for creating a Chepstowpedia". But the group don't seem to be doing anything about it. I'll pass this link on to MrJC as well. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:20, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. Let me know what I can do.  I'm meeting the Chepstow Society tomorrow so can report any progress to them.  You can email me if you like.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Slight misunderstanding I think. The people I'm seeing tomorrow are not the people on the marketing group, but rather they are the people in the local amenity society (most of whom are over 70 and have little idea of what WP is, let alone a QR code! - well meaning though).  I can gee people up, but I need a direction, which is probably best done by me speaking to JC, and thence to Mon CC, as well as to the museum and the marketing group people here.  (I have no involvement in the marketing group, they haven't contacted me, and I only caught up with their minutes by chance tonight.)  The danger is that everyone is expecting the initiative to come from someone else.  Bits of your message on my talk page seem not to be aimed at me - am I missing something?  Slightly confused @ Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The minutes were of the marketing group, but the people I'm seeing today are the amenity society - quite different people. If I can get hold of John today, for more info, I'll see if I can get something moving.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 06:57, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Update: The amenity group (inc the Chepstow mayor, fwiw) are keen - it may be raised at the town council, but there may be an issue in the short term because of local govt election purdah. Will pursue next week if I can.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:45, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Osbaston, Monmouth
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Harassment of editors and Arbcom transparency
Hi,

At a recent RFC/U concerning User:Fae you endorsed a summary written by me, which basically recognised that Fae was being subjected to harassment by Delicious Carbuncle; harassment at best -- homophobic harassment at worst.

If you refer to my talk page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Russavia#Comment_from_AGK), you will see that an Arb threatened to block me for harassment of Fae, and it has now started from here. It may surprise you that the Committee was aware of this harassment occurring, and they failed to act.

I am now pushing Arbs to be transparent with what occurred on their list, and essentially get to the bottom of why they neglected to act. I have posted very simple questions requiring very simple answers to each Arbs talk page, and am collating their answers together, in order to help attain this goal of both ensuring they are transparent, and to get to the bottom of this.

I am letting you as a courtesy to let you know that this is occurring, and you may want to keep an eye on discussions, and chime in if you deem you need to do so.

Cheers Russavia ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) 21:22, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Russavia, I must admit to being very biased in this case because of my high regard for Fae so I have been avoiding getting involved in detail although obviously I feel that the process needs fixing when "the good guys" get picked on for silly reasons whilst its obvious who the time wasters are. Sadly we could do with arbitrary justice but its worrying as to who we would let lose with such currupting power. Thanks for the heads up Victuallers (talk) 21:38, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Agincourt Square, Monmouth
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Monmouth Heritage Trail
Hey The Heritage Trail page is looking great, the new additions to the table are really good, only suggestion would be to swap the description and coordinate rows round but that's a personal choice and sounds like a lot of fiddling. Is there a way of having a smaller version of the map that pops out to bigger version if you want it? It breaks on en.mobile.wikipedia.org even on a computer. It's a super looking thing otherwise, I swapped the picture out for the Nelson Garden to something more representative of the place as a whole, change it back if you think otherwise.

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DYK for Cradle of Henry V
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DYK nomination of Ghulam Jilani Khan and Chand Bagh School
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Template:Rolls yr Hendre, Family Tree
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DYK for Lady Llangattock
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Gasworks
Do you have a source for the Monmouth Gasworks being a grade II listed building? I can find no record of that online. Deor (talk) 22:29, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Monmouth
Thanks for the reminder. I do intend to go to Monmouth but I have never attended a Wikipedia meeting before. Is there anything I need or is there somehow I need to prepare myself? Also, I haven't been to Monmouth many times, the last time was Autumn 2010 - had a drink in Coffee#1 in the town centre. Where are the members meeting, and to whom does one have to report? What then happens? Also, I will not be able to stay late because I work in Midsomer Norton, close to where I live in Wiltshire; I am due to start work 1800 which means I have to leave 1630 at the latest. Until then I am happy to join everyone but from what time do we all meet? If you like, you can anser these on my published e-mail address: evlekis@hotmail.co.uk. Many thanks. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 17:25, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, wikimeets could not be more relaxed. You turn up and there are 4 to 40 people in the corner of a pub somewhere and you drink beer and chat. Some may bring a lap top... some may want to explain a new plan or project. You should just meet a lot of like minded people. There is a board meeting on the same day so you could barge your way into that (we are very open) or you can help with persuading businesses to put up QR codes or .... so, don't stress, its very very relaxing I think. Oh and I love your bit about the dangers of letting macedonia into the eu! :-) Victuallers (talk) 17:53, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Good, a relaxed mood, I like it. Given that I only contribute to Wikipedia and have no dealings on Wikimedia nor do I have knowledge on businesses and codes, etc., I'm worried my participation will appear weak. BTW, my entire userpage largely lampoons the look of articles themselves. Both my parents were born in Macedonia and most of my family live there, as you'll gather, everything is WRONG; the parody presents Macedonia in a "Switzerland"-style guise, something spectalular, too good for the club its population frown upon. In reality it is the other way round, "let me in! let me in! I'll be your best friend Mr. Le Prisident!", anyhow, you know which pub in Monmouth? Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 18:22, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Prod you :-)
Hello, could you repair map on fr:Monmouth Heritage Trail? I don't know why copy-and-past from wp:en didn't work. --El Caro (talk) 08:47, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Doward
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Re: MonmouthpediA
Thanks for your kind words! I will try to keep up the pace in these last days before the end of the competition and add some more new articles in Hungarian about Monmouth. I've updated the points page as you've requested. I think I wont’t be able to join in on Skype as in the weekend I will be out of town, and foreseably I won't have any internet connection, but thanks anyway for the invitation. If you plan a second phase of the writing challenge, count me in, as I appreciate what GLAM projects are doing for wikipedia. Nice job. --Istvánka (talk) 19:27, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for The Doward
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fr:Monmouth Town Football Club
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DYK for Osbaston, Monmouth
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Barnstar
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MonmouthpediA - Charles Rolls Competition
Hi Victuallers! I have seen yr msg on my userpage. The template has also been translated into Bahasa Indonesia. I did watch the video in direct and I was pleased to know I won 4th place (though I didn't understand everything). I am longing to know what will be the next competition. Any tips? --89.224.174.28 (talk) 16:57, 27 April 2012 (UTC) (Dominik)

RFC/N discussion of the username "MonmouthMuseumWales"
A request for comment has been filed concerning the username of. You are invited to comment on the discussion here. 7 03:53, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * And I've seen enough ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 12:41, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think its now resolved Victuallers (talk) 12:51, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Once you undo your horrific action it will. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 12:57, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You seem to very angry about something. I noticed that you were a bit uncivil on Jimmy's page. If you remember your original view was that there was no need for an RFC and then you have escalated my view that the policy should be improved. Can I suggest that we just leave this for a while? Victuallers (talk) 13:06, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's the deal: you re-implement the block as it was correct according to policy as it stands now. You then work on overhauling the related username policies - or at least trying to gain consensus for your interpretation, and I'll work with you.  7 acted 100% according to the policies as written, and it is disgusting to see someone in a position of "power" ignore consensus and policy like that.  This way, I don't have to WP:WHEEL, and policy gets changed appropriately. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 13:09, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Victuallers, can I please ask you to pledge not to use your admin tools in a situation where you clearly possess a COI, as in this one? This is not to say I think the decision you made was correct or incorrect - it's simply not a decision you should be making. Ironholds (talk) 14:28, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Oliver, I hadnt thought of that angle. My only thought was to protect a newbie, oh and not to offend a partner. I should have reffered it to anorther admin, luckily user 7 seems to have suggested a good compromise. Victuallers (talk) 15:36, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I will be preparing an WP:RFC/ADMIN for the use of tools in this specific massive COI situation, and the incredible lack of understanding the policies you promised to uphold. You change the rules when it suited you and your pet project.  You have even stated flat out that you will break the same policy later by creating another WP:ROLE account.  This is behaviour unsuitable for an admin ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 15:45, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Your free to do that obviously. However I dispute that I changed the rules as I don't believe that blocking is a gentle way of resolving problems about usernames chosen in good faith. As I havn't created a role account, I cannot create another role account. The account in question is not intended as a role account and I did not create it. If you think I have said that, then I have not stated myself clearly enough, or you have misunderstood. Victuallers (talk) 16:03, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * There are different types of blocks, and different types of messages attached. Have you ever read softerblock?  Did you look at its design background, and usage?  Did you note that it's in the "Good faith" category?  The template basically says "hey, your username does't match our policy ... although you can't edit with this one, please go ahead and create another - no questions asked".  By unblocking, you're acting against that.  Perhaps you misunderstand the block, or indeed your role? ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 16:13, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No Ive never looked at its design background or usage in detail, I judged it by its appearance and effect. The effect of this was to remove the important history of this user (most important bit is on commons) and for her to feel that she had done something wrong. I'm pleased to see that the solution offered by 7 retains this history. Victuallers (talk) 16:29, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Victuallers, your response to my request wasn't really a response. Please pledge that you'll not use your admin tools in situations involving WMUK, its projects or its partner organisations. Ironholds (talk) 17:17, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see the same. Everyone makes mistakes, but I think this warrants some assurance that you will be careful in the future about acting as an administrator in situations where your involvement precludes it (as it definitely did here).  Equazcion  ( talk )  17:30, 28 Apr 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you explain "oh and not to offend a partner"? I'd like to know what you mean by that.  That seems to fly in the face of WP:NPOV.--v/r - TP 17:35, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

I think the advice of Equazcion definitely applies to all the admins here. Bwilkins "7", in good faith, but in error against policy, blocked the editor. Victuallers, whether for COI reasons or not, set things back on a policy footing, but at the same time broke the behavioral guideline (and admin 'lead by example' standard) to avoid conflicts of interest. At this point however, we just need civility and people willing to ALL say they will do better, and move on. There's an excuse for mistakes, but there is no excuse for blowing up and making threats at this point. Settle down, admit that you're human, and move on, and be more careful in the future. -- Avanu (talk) 18:48, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * When did I block the editor? (of course, I would have, as per policy). BTW Avanu, you're doing an excellent job of showing why Jimbo is a genius for not granting you the tools when you asked recently :-)  ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 18:55, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. My mistake. I just see you as the loudest voice clamoring in this. :) I've fixed that and this should be a perfect opportunity for me to eat a little crow, only fair since I've been asking the same from others. Still aside from my naming the wrong guy (oops), I think the point about civility still stands. -- Avanu (talk) 19:04, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks all - nice to hear some calm voices. I have admitted a COI error. I was focussed on the idea that we had a substantive volunteer who was blocked. If you want me to reaffirm my commitment to be an admin then that seems a bit unnecessary but I'm quite willing to restate, reaffirm, pledge, to that effect as that is the default position for admins.Victuallers (talk) 19:25, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you be a bit (lot) more specific? What is the nature of your consulting business? To whom do you plan to market your services, and to what degree will your services involve epxertise with/editing of English Wikipedia and sister projects which impact en:wiki? A milk-and-biscuits "reaffirm my commitment to be an admin" doesn't seem enough here, on its face you have engaged in blatant influence-peddling (using admin tools to benefit an organization from which you hope to obtain, or are currently obtaining, a financial benefit). Unless you have much more to say, the prudent course here seems to be that you resign adminship altogether to avoid any future COI problems with that role. Franamax (talk) 20:54, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Is this about Victuallers somehow embarassing the 'admin class' with an act of compassion? Please don't forget that the original block was against policy, and while Victuallers broke a behavioral guideline (possibly 2), it isn't a policy and it wasn't like it was a *big* deal? I don't understand why admins won't acknowledge when they make a mistake and I damn sure don't understand why they seem to howl so loudly when people question their judgement. Victuallers actually seems like one of the nicer ones in this entire conflict and rather than focus on the admin who actually violated policy, you focus on the one being nice. It is completely out of line with civility, which by the way, is yet another policy -- Avanu (talk) 22:18, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No one has addressed Victuallers in an uncivil way here. The problem is not embarrassment or any such thing. It's that admins are given their tools based on the prerequisite that they won't use them inappropriately, and will show restraint especially when their own vested interests are involved. You clearly don't think this is important, Avanu, but to most of us it is perhaps the most important aspect of being an admin. Victuallers' generic response that he's "willing to restate, reaffirm, pledge" as this is the "default" sounds to me like "yeah, whatever admins are supposed to do, I'll do that". It does not show acceptance of responsibility nor repair the confidence he should be required to restore following a judgment error this blatant.  Equazcion  ( talk )  22:30, 28 Apr 2012 (UTC)
 * What I personally find uncivil is the idea that a person must give up their tools for such a minor mistake. I hardly see how the COI guideline trumps what essentially was a policy violation. No one is accused of taking any action that actually harmed the integrity of the content in Wikipedia. More than you realize, I believe in restraint on admin tool use, not only when a COI is present, but in all situations. Perhaps you have a different perspective, but many times I have seen admins rain blows on the average editor, realize a mistake was made, and then mumble something about how it didn't matter THAT much because they were trying to do the right thing. I find this unacceptable. Yet, here we have a moment where an admin broke policy, another kindly set things right, and neglected to think about the conflict of interest. Now that same admin has apologized, but the admin who actually broke policy has not. Yet the one who broke a guideline is the one you feel should 'hang it up' and quit being an admin. I'm a big believer in rule of law and equal justice under those laws, so I wonder why this same standard isn't being applied to the first guy. But at the same time, I'm a person of compassion and mercy, and as I said above, its far past the time to put this entire issue to bed. But it would be nice if more admins could follow the example of Victuallers, who humbly admitted a mistake, and graciously agreed to work harder to do the right thing. It is disappointing to me that such a worthy response recieves such a poor reception from some. -- Avanu (talk) 22:43, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm dropping in after an IRC conversation earlier today with Ironholds. For those that don't know, I'm the Chairman of Wikimedia UK (but writing here as a Wikipedia admin) and I can confirm that I'm not getting any money from anyone and have nothing planned along these lines either. I confess to a bias as Victuallers is my fellow trustee and a close friend, though I have not discussed the matter with Victuallers and he has not asked me to write here, he may even think I'm being foolish to do so.
 * I'm not sure that a "pledge" is all that useful (are we a frat house now?) and Ironholds' suggestion above seemed unrealisticly wide to me. On IRC he kindly asked me for an alternative suggestion, so that's why I'm here. Victuallers recognizes above that he made a human blunder in good faith trying to help a newbie that he will not repeat, and a simple trout slap would probably have been sufficient, rather than all this emotional handbag throwing. Asking Victuallers to avoid admin tools on all WMUK related projects is far too wide for a trustee of WMUK so involved in all our GLAM programmes. He may want to explain that he intends to avoid using the tools on Wikipedia in activities where he is directly receiving remuneration for his time, which would seem a pragmatic interpretation of Involved admins; my understanding is that this would only be relevant to the MonmouthpediA project (follow the link, it's a great project).
 * I can clarify that Monmouth Council or the Museum is not paying WMUK any money and Victuallers is not being paid any money by WMUK.
 * As for asking Victuallers for the ins and outs of his contract and his plans for future marketing of his business, that is something probably better done by email rather than spell out his commercial plans on his public Wikipedia user page. I have asked him these questions when the prospect of some work for him first arose, and I can confirm that there is nothing dubious or manipulative about his activities and the project is to the direct benefit of our open knowledge movement.
 * To suggest that someone with Victuallers' brilliant track record of contributions and work as a Wikipedia admin needs to put away the mop because they are receiving some money to pay for their outreach project management work (not as a paid editor) is bizarre, especially when we require no such act from WMF paid staff who could be said to have COI for anything they might touch on Wikipedia when not taking direct office actions.
 * Now, let's try and avoid the paid editor paranoia floating about, turning this into a damaging witch-hunt. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 22:30, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Steven Kanumba
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:06, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

MonmouthpediA
I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, so I didn't learn about Monmouthpedia until shortly before it ended. I contributed what I could in that short period of time, and then it was over. Do we have enough DYK articles for MonmouthpediA day? If not, I could try to come up with some articles before then. I had been working primarily on aces, war monuments, and their sculptors before then, but I switched to help out with Monmouthpedia. John Browning was listed under the MonmouthpediA project, for what was a somewhat peripheral connection to Monmouth, through his third wife. That's how I got involved currently in articles related to Spencer, Browning & Rust. I'd be happy to switch back to Monmouth articles if you need it. Anne (talk) 19:29, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Anne, nice to see your interest! I've been impressed by the variety of articles you have already chosen. I think there are a few streets mentioned on Monmouthpedia that have no article but in general I think most see the 120 or so geo tagged articles in English as complete for Monmouth. I've been trying to complete articles for the museum and I know there are other artists who feature in the museum, are notable, but who have no article. When we discussed this last weekend at the WMUK wikimeet and board meeting we were thrilled to see the 450 new articles. (Thats over 100 a month!). John and I have to decide the next phase of competition. Current discussion is to have another challenge. I must plead guilty of putting John Browning up. I was trying to find "the limits" so I searched the Oxford Dictionary of Biography for any reference to Monmouth. I think you need to find out ones with a strong link. I gave up when I had just done the "B"s. Roison is working in the museum. I will ask her if she could suggest some people who will get a QRpedia code and have no article. I'm not sure where you live but there is a big celebration on May 19 when the news will break and the Wikipedia signage and wiki trails will be unveiled. Victuallers (talk) 19:51, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll definitely be willing to help out if there's another challenge. I just wanted to make sure that DYK was OK for MonmouthpediA day. I live in the suburbs of Chicago, Illinois. I've been following the coverage of MonmouthpediA both in Wikipedia and on the internet. Anne (talk) 15:22, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Sometimes I think you are a silly person, but also a lovely one. Here is a kitten to make you smile.

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MonmouthMuseumWales
I have reinstated a soft block on this account. The username is obviously a blatant violation of our username policy and they already have another account with a non-infringing name, so there is no need for a prolonged discussion, they can simply use the other account. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:15, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for telling me. At least we have shown that are more sensible views so your action should not do too much damage IMO. I'm sure a helpful admin will find a compromise that retains the editor and renames the account after unblocking it obviously. I do hope no one is going to wheel war over this. Our actions here are not a good advert for the Wiki process. Victuallers (talk) 11:57, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Just FYI
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Monmouthpedia
Hello! I was wandering when will the winners be announced for the Charles Rolls Challenge? Thank you--Istvánka (talk) 18:57, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for missing the webcast, I was trying to connect but as I was outside good mobile coverage, it was meant to be. Thanks.--Istvánka (talk) 19:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Bees for Development
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Want some help?

 * Hi! Still working on Mary Ellen, but I noticed the conversation about Bees for Development. Would you like me to go ahead and tidy up some references? It seemed to be an issue. Also, I agree with you that it seems a good article for someone new to Wikipedia. Anne (talk) 23:56, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

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Ghulam Jilani Khan and Chand Bagh School
Carabinieri left a note about two weeks ago to say he was taking this nomination off his watch list, which seems to leave you as the only reviewer it has. In the mean time, I have stopped contributing to DYK. Moonraker (talk) 23:24, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
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Map done
Hello, fr:Monmouth Heritage Trail map is OK! --El Caro (talk) 18:03, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations
... rather late in the day, but (as sometimes happens) I have been preoccupied with another world. Not the real world -- I'm still not sure whether there is one -- but the academic conference world. Anyway, congratulations on the success of MonmouthpediA challenge no. 1. Onward and upward. I have signed up for stage two. I am thinking that articles about Geoffrey of Monmouth characters should qualify. Would you agree with that? Assuming that they are notable, but a considerable number of them will be. A strike against them, of course, is that they will not earn QR codes on the streets of Monmouth. And rew D alby 12:47, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

MonmouthpediA
I'm wondering whether Monmouth Regimental Museum should be moved back to its original space in the queue. It hasn't been reviewed yet and I'm worried that no one is noticing it where it is in the holding area. Also, I just noted above something about stage two for MonmouthpediA. Is there a new challenge? I'd like to sign up. And, just letting you know that our article on Mary Ellen and your original redlinking of the Clifton Antiquarian Club inspired me to write a fairly comprehensive article on the society. I worked on Bees for Development, but haven't seen much going on there the last few days. I'm going to add a Telegraph source. Thanks. Anne (talk) 16:37, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Another MonmouthpediA question. Mary Ellen Bagnall-Oakeley is listed under MonmouthpediA. Can we use it for the Monmouthpedia contest or did we finish it before the new challenge started? Anne (talk) 16:08, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Another question about Mary Ellen. I just noticed that someone passed her DYK nomination yesterday. That person also wanted know when MonmouthpediA day was. When I tried to respond at the nomination, which I've tried to do more than once, I received the message that there is no DYK nomination of that name. I also tried it under the slightly modified name, but no luck. Do you know what happened to the nomination? Thanks Anne (talk) 23:17, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I happen to watch this talk page so I thought I'd check for you. I have found the nomination: it is at Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Ellen Bagnall Oakeley. Presumably, a direct edit to that page will show up on the screen at the DYK page and all will be well, even though, for some reason, the template cannot be accessed via the DYK page. No idea what's gone wrong. And rew D alby  09:18, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was able to find that as well. However, when you go into the nom to make a comment, the page indicates that no nomination of that name exists. I don't understand what's happened. I know that Victuallers made a minor change to the title of the article. Would that somehow affect access to the nomination? I was going to thank the reviewer and mention the date of MonmouthpediA day, but I was never able to get back into the nomination, so then I got sidetracked with the nomination problem itself. I'm concerned not only for this nomination, but also because another article that I submitted a few days ago Monmouth Town Walls and Defenses just had its name changed to Monmouth Town Walls and Defences and I don't want to get shut out of that nomination, too.Anne (talk) 11:54, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * And for the original reason that I accessed this page this morning: Thank you Victuallers for changing Monmouth Town Walls and Defenses to British English. Anne (talk) 11:56, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops I think this is related to the titles of the articles that have changed. Can someone assist with some redirects pls Victuallers (talk) 14:14, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mary Ellen Bagnall Oakeley
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Photos
I rewrote much of Monmouth Regimental Museum today and had the opportunity to include more photos. I just realized that two of them were yours: the Colonel uniform and the baby gas mask. Thank you! I was hoping that the article would appear for DYK on MonmouthpediA day but it got sidelined the day before, as luck would have it! Hopefully, all of today's hard work will do the trick. Anne (talk) 03:24, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Big Welcome to the Childrens Chapel
Welcome to the Children's Chapel in Sydney which is using QRpedia. However there is only an English version. Any polyglot love available? Victuallers (talk) 08:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Suggestions on Monmouthpedia
Hello Victuallers. I've just realised it was you who replied to my comments on Mrjohncumming's talk page. Please see my further comments there. I'm also watching this page now, so feel free to reply here if you wish. I look forward to receiving your own comments and would also be interested is hearing John's reactions if he wishes to comment. - Ipigott (talk) 12:28, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Bees for Development
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DYK nomination of Geoff Charles
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Philip Nicholas
Hi Victuallers, I've just knocked up an article on Welsh rugby player Philip Nicholas. It turns out he was born in Monmouth and educated at Monmouth School. Monmouth RFC state he played for them (but I think they have the dates wrong), and the 1881 census has him living with his family at St James St in the town. His dad is recorded as "Proprietor Of Chemical Works Employing 20 Men J.P. For Borgh Mon". I know this is a horrific longshot, but do you know what firm that may be? Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 21:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

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Monmouth Portal
Hi Roger, and thanks for the 25 DYK medal. I've created this Portal:Monmouth, but for the "Topics" section, I don't know what else to add. Any suggestions? undefined — Bill william compton  Talk   12:38, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

25 Did you knows
Thank you for the medal and thanks for nice words about my work. I promise I will not forget there is a 50 DYK medal waiting for me.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:59, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Lower Hael Wood
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MonmouthpediA
Hi! I have a quick question about the MonmouthpediA challenge. I've been listing my articles as I complete them, putting a 5 next to each article. Then, when an article appears on DYK, I change the 5 to a 7. But other contributors to the challenge are adding the 7 for DYK, such that, for example, a new short article gets 5 + 7, or 12 points. Am I doing this incorrectly? Should I be adding the points, too? Thank you. Anne. Anne (talk) 00:06, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think 12 is whats intended. I went to Monmouth today (2-3 hour drive) to discuss progress and took some new images of Glendower Street Victuallers (talk) 19:31, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

‎Possible Queue 6 late substitution or addition
You an administrator who is listed at WP:DYK as willing to help, so I wanted to call your attention to a particularly timely hook for the next queue Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know. You may want to make a late addition or substitution since the Tony Awards are tonight.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:10, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Hilston Park
Hi, this was a Monmouthpedia article which I got to GA level,, you might want to list it on you project page. But badly needs photos. From what I recall you don't live in Monmouth but if you could alert somebody who lives very close to the park that the article badly needs photographs of the grounds and close ups of exterior and even interior of house if possible.♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:29, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Dr.B, One place to ask might be the Monmouthpedia page on Facebook or by tweeting to @Monmouthpedia. I tried to find some on pictures on Flickr but you have to beg them. It would be really cool to get some pictures for the article. I'm not there this week (first time for about 10 weeks!) Victuallers (talk) 11:02, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK Awards
Hi, I just made a subpage listing all my DYKs. I've never received any awards at the 25- or 50-DYK levels. How do I get them? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 12:53, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yoninah, you got 50 now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:10, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Estonian Sports Museum
Hello! Your submission of Estonian Sports Museum at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Pumpkin Sky  talk  12:12, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Event at Cardiff Central Library 30.6.12
Hi Roger, Thanks for cross-posting information about the editathon (or Golythathon as we've baptised it!) on en:wiki and meta, and also for Wikimedia UK's support for the Welsh language wiki. You've possibly seen it, but in case you've been lucky enough to miss it, there was a bit of a hoo-ha on the talk page on meta. Sadly, the Welsh language (and its very existense) is a subject that gets some people in Wales very animated. I'm wondering if it would be wiser if the event is not adveritsed as a 'meet-up' across the English language wiki (and possibly not at all)? I know this might be going against the open spirit of Wikipedia, but 1.) I was a bit upset/annoyed at having to justify having an event being in Welsh, and 2.) it might also be worth saving the name 'Cardiff Meet-up 1' for the first actual meet-up in Cardiff (which I can't believe hasn't been arranged yet). If you agree, do you know how to remove the reference to the event appearing at the header of every page - I can't figure out how? --Rhyswynne (talk) 08:20, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please don't get me wrong, all I wanted to make clear was that the main language of open discussions will most likely be in Welsh and I certainly wouldn't discourage (or ban) anyone use of English! And yes, I would/do/did want it advertised on en:wiki, because as you say, it may be of interest to editors there(here) who speak Welsh but do'n tcurrently edit cy:wiki for whatever reason. The trouble is, two of the three who said they were coming to the event following ads on en:wiki thought it was an event in English and about the en:wiki (one was cool about it, other accused it of being nationalistic, political, contreversial and against the rules of Wikimedia among other things). I've contact the third person in case he was under same impression.
 * In an ideal world there shouldn't be a problem, but Wales is far from an ideal place! Misunderstandings like this makes Welsh speaking communities want to 'hide' (for want of a better word) their activities, but its obviously counterproductive as it only marginalises itself further.
 * I'll contact user:Mike Peel re banner, cheers.
 * Re Argentina, not necessarily for this event, as it's purley for a physcal meeting, but should we intorduce WikiProjects to cy:wiki (something which I'd like), one for Y Wladfa would be my first choice, and for that I'd like to know how best way to advertise on the Argentian geo-part of the Spanish wikipedia. As it happens, following the mailshot that Robin arranged through Wikimedia UK, I've been contacted by a member of this interesting organisation/charity, with the view of future collaboration.
 * Sorry for the long post, and thanks for your advice.--Rhyswynne (talk) 12:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh Crikey, seems already had the idea of taking down the geonotice... --Rhyswynne (talk) 14:23, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Authority Control Integration
Hi, I've been researching the intersection of Wikipedia and Authority Control, and have just recently made a Village Pump Proposal to create a bot to expand the usage of a template. I've identified you as someone in the sphere of interest to this project and would appreciate your input at the Village Pump. Thanks, Maximiliankleinoclc (talk) 18:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Estonian Sports Museum
Yngvadottir (talk) 08:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Giovanni Battista Lusieri
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltar
Hi there. Here's the Gibraltar Museum article I'm working on. Please also check out other Gibraltar-related works in progress in my sandbox. Cheers, --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 16:42, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the copyedit. Sure, sounds good! I still want to add to it, hence the empty sections but material online is limited. I need to ask Stewart to point out some publications to reference... --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 22:27, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: some questions
Hi Roger. I'm afraid the short answer to your questions is no. I used to do some translation and proof-reading over at es.wiki when I first started editing back in 06/07 but I've never been involved with Wikimedia. I've done a quick search and it seems that Wikimedia Morocco is still only a proposed chapter. Sorry for being useless! :( --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 11:23, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Trustee Code of Conduct
Roger, sorry to pester you on your talk page, but if you're reading this, you're logged into the Wiki and hopefully have a few moments spare! Could you go to here and add your signature at the bottom? Thanks! The Cavalry (Message me) 15:57, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Roger! The Cavalry (Message me) 11:28, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: hmm
Not an island! You've had that stuck in your head hahaha :) --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 08:16, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for your review of The Royal Oak, Monmouth. Anne (talk) 14:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK
Hi Roger. I should have a couple of articles ready to release into mainspace this week and was wondering if you knew whether I can pick the dates for the corresponding DYK hooks to appear on the main page? Thanks, --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 21:37, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've done it in the past just wasn't sure if we could choose the day for it to appear on the main page. Cool, I'll sort them out during the course of this week then and advise you once they're up. Thanks, --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 22:18, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Its tight we need to get then in to the queue before the 6th or so Victuallers (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Roger, please keep an eye out for the articles I'll be releaseing during the course of the day together with the DYK hooks. Thanks, --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 23:00, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I already posted them at T:TDYK, check my contribs... --<span style="margin:0;text-align:left;color:#FF7F00;font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;padding:0.2em 0.4em">Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 21:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems only John Mackintosh (philanthropist) made it to the DYK section for 12 July. Is there any way we can still push Clive Finlayson, Gibraltar Museum and Capital punishment in Gibraltar through? Cheers, --<span style="margin:0;text-align:left;color:#FF7F00;font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;padding:0.2em 0.4em">Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 16:34, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your posting at my talk page. I am a german and my english is not very good so I have to concentrate on the german Wikipedia. --ChristianSW (talk) 16:47, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for your DYK review of John Rolls of The Hendre. Anne (talk) 13:00, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Geoff Charles
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:20, 4 July 2012 (UTC) 08:04, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: June 2012
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One more
Check out the new article on the Siege of Gibraltar (1309). --<span style="margin:0;text-align:left;color:#FF7F00;font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;padding:0.2em 0.4em">Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 16:36, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Saw your comment in the RC talk
I just scanned that page for the first time. What a train wreck. Whole thing is just line after line about how to drop templates on people. Nothing about real art or creation. Or rapport.

In terms of your question...it is a thoughtful one.

My advice is to try to keep your kids away from the patrollers. The easiest thing is DON'T have them start a fricking new article. That is just asking for trouble. It is really hard to meet the standards on that sort of thing.

Instead...maybe make a few canned exercises:


 * add a picture.
 * copyedit
 * add a reference to a BLP
 * use the help desk
 * etc.

Also, maybe think about subject. There are articles that are "easier" to work on (animals, especially lesser known ones for instance). Keep them away from GA+ articles. Keep them away from controversial stuff. ETc.

Good luck.

TCO (talk) 03:41, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: Gibraltarpedia
I'll see what I can do with Jebel Musa (Morocco) and think of an article across the border to start soon. I've asked Gibraltarpedia's author to add more inline citations so we can nominate it for DYK - I'll try to stay away because of COI. I noticed the blog's Arab translation which is great and I can't wait to hear all about your "wow" plans! --<span style="margin:0;text-align:left;color:#FF7F00;font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;padding:0.2em 0.4em">Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 18:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

QRpedia script
Hi Roger,

I'd like to suggest some changes to th doceumentation in User:Victuallers/QRcode.js; specifically, that it be edited to refer to QRpedia. I've taken the liberty of making a sandbox version, at User:Victuallers/QRcode.js/sandbox (you'll need to view source to see it properly). What do you think? 10:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Fine by me .... make it so :-) Victuallers (talk) 23:16, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but user-script pages are protected; I can't edit it. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:17, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltar coordinates
FYI: User talk:The Anome, which relates to the use of Coord missing with a value of "Gibraltar". Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

User:Stefanwfa
Just noticed you've been messaging this user on his userpage and not on his talk page :) --09:50, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for your review of Gibraltar South Mole Lighthouse. Anne (talk) 13:46, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: July 2012
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DYK for Schleswig horse
Yngvadottir (talk) 08:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for your review of South Mole, Gibraltar Harbour. Anne (talk) 13:10, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Detached Mole, Gibraltar Harbour
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Jebel Musa (Morocco)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Answers!
Hi, how are you doing? :-) I just got back from vacation in France. On august 26 we will have the annual meetup of ca-wiki in Sabadell (close to Barcelona), check ca:Viquiprojecte:Viquitrobada 2012 (if you need translation just ask), maybe it could be a good opportunity to meet us... otherwise we can organize a different meeting, even altogether with es-wiki if you feel like.

I will ask in es-wiki if there is anyone from Ceuta or anyone interested in collaborating, if it's the case they shall write back to you.


 * -)--Arnaugir (talk) 20:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, I just saw the message you left on the wiki-meeting page on the Catalan Wikipedia. As far as I'm concerned, you're more than welcome to join us. Don't hesitate to ask (preferably on my Catalan Wikipedia talk page) if you have any questions regarding how to get to Sabadell or anything else. Cheers.--Leptictidium (mt) 15:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Tangier photos
Hi Roger, Here is 3 pictures taken in Tangier :)

Mohamed Amarochan (talk) 02:30, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much Mohamed. I have used some already! Do tell me if there is any news or you have thoughts about Tangier. I'd be happy to chat about this and WMF Victuallers (talk) 08:57, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

"Pulp-pedia"
Hello Victuallers

I wasn't sure which bit of Wikimedia to contact regarding this, so thought I'd try you - you did originally welcome me to the project after all! Anyway my question is this: I'm assuming that Wikimedia is aware of this? I stumbled upon it by accident when looking for sources for an article. Originally I thought it was a rather tasteless spoof, but the content is right up to date with current Wikipedia articles, so I thought then it was a kind of bastardised mirror site. Although the address of the site is "lohere.net", further inspection made me wonder if its software is somehow attached to the genuine Wikipedia, possibly lurking in the interwiki somewhere - all the interwikis on the "Pulp-pedia" page take you to the genuine versions, and if you type the name of an article into the "Pulp-pedia" search bar, it takes you to the appropriate article in the Hungarian Wiki. Any thoughts/comments? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:53, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Further thinking on this leads me to believe it can't be connected in the way I feared it might be - it doesn't seem possible to connect to "Pulp-pedia" from Wikipedia, it's just that the creators of "Pulp-pedia" have engineered their site so that all the links on their pages link to genuine Wikipedia ones. I imagine I'm not alerting Wikimedia to anything they don't already know about, it's just I hadn't come across this site before. I'm old enough not to be surprised by the things that some people spend their time doing, but even so I do find myself thinking "why?" PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:44, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

RE: Plaques
No news yet, I'm afraid. I will push Clive today and I'd be grateful if you could do the same. --<span style="margin:0;text-align:left;color:#FF7F00;font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;padding:0.2em 0.4em">Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 06:22, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

RE: 25 Did you knows
Much Delayed Thank you! I was on a wikibreak, hence replying now. Cheers, Around The Globe  सत्यमेव जयते 16:52, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Magdalla Battery
Hi Victuallers, I am interested in fortifications. Generally speaking, I write on fortifications I have visited that have little on them on Wikipedia. I recently did some work on the Guernsey loophole towers after a walking holiday there. That led to improvements on the extant and related article on Jersey Round Towers. The Magdala Battery article was an outgrowth from work I did on Fort Rinella after visiting it in Malta. Unfortunately, I have no plans to visit Gibraltar, though I would like to at some point. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 13:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Although the idea is attractive, and very kind, I live some distance away from Europe. I mostly get my fortification visiting done when I go to conferences and tack on a day or two after the conference. The Guernsey walk was a bit of an aberration. (For some unfathomable reason, my wife does not find visiting fortifications compelling. We couldn't miss the Guernsey towers because we kept passing them as we walked.) Unfortunately, I am not aware of any conferences in my field scheduled for Gibraltar, which my wife and I visited back in 1996, before I got active on wikipedia. A secondary issue is that I would be loath to compromise my anonymity, given that I suspect my colleagues would look askance at my wikipedia hobbies. On a more positive note, should I add HMS Calpe, and particularly HMS Calpe (1800), to the category History of Gibraltar? There may be other vessels RN vessels with ties to the Rock. Also, should I put some of the Gibraltar project links on the relevant pages? What do you think? Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 18:19, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I wish I could Finnish the HMS Calpe (L71) article as there is none in English. Unfortunately... Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 20:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Siege of Gibraltar (1727)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for the nomination of Queensway Quay Marina, Gibraltar. I started to create a nomination for the article this morning and had a pleasant surprise. Not only had you done a nomination, the article had already been reviewed! Anne (talk) 16:13, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

stay
I will ask, maybe someone can host you (but seems difficult...) anyway I will try my best. Let's keep in contact by mail--Arnaugir (talk) 13:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Marina Bay, Gibraltar
Yngvadottir (talk) 00:04, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm staying there during my October visit. :-) Prioryman (talk) 22:51, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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Some Little Additions
Dear Victuallers, I hope my small changes to HMS Calpe meet with your approval. You have put together a fine page for the Calpe. Best regards, AmesJussellR (talk) 21:14, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Queensway Quay Marina, Gibraltar
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Re: G Cassar
I've copied over Georgina Cassar to the mainspace. I think it needs a little more work before we can nominate for DYK. As for Fortifications of Gibraltar I personally think we should hold out until it's a little more populated and write a preamble to the list... --<span style="margin:0;text-align:left;color:#FF7F00;font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;padding:0.2em 0.4em">Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 22:57, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Parson's Lodge Battery
Orlady (talk) 00:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK issue
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catalan banner
here u have. I added my contact. Will start participating asap ;)

wikimeeting was very nice. Sorry I haven't written to you yet, I've been busy! I hope everythings ok, gibraltarpedia looks good. About BBC... wow!! :)

Cheers--Arnaugir (talk) 11:08, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Thanks for the translation
Thanks, thought I might as well give Gibraltarpedia a mention! Still need to acquire a pic of the entrance to Vanguard Cave on its own and hopefully of some archaeologists on site too... --<span style="margin:0;text-align:left;color:#FF7F00;font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;padding:0.2em 0.4em">Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 20:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank YOU! You know that you have FULL SUPPORT of the Catalan Army in the Gibraltarpedia project. Gibraltar is a very special place for us. Do you know that there is a place called Catalan Bay? ;) Keep in touch and ask as many translations or help as you need. :)--Kippelboy (talk) 09:01, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Bulgarian - Is this what it should look like?
BulgarianLlanita (talk to me) 11:17, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I can add my contact details in the banner. I could in theory post it on a Bulgarian page but which one do you mean? The main Wikipedia page? Please link to it as I am a bit of a noob. You coming to Gib soon? Would be cool to meet again (I was present at one of the sessions in the John Mackintosh Hall) :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BulgarianLlanita (talk • contribs) 11:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

French
Now posted in Latin and French. And rew D alby 11:41, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hindi translation of GibraltarpediA project template

 * Roger, check it out and tell me when to post it at the local VP. I did modify the message a bit as word-to-word translation from English to Hindi is almost impossible. undefined — Bill william compton  Talk   14:47, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Posted hi:विकिपीडिया:चौपाल. undefined — Bill william compton  Talk   18:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Vanguard Cave DYK
Hello! Your submission of Vanguard Cave at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Hi, nice article, it was an interesting read! :) I did have an issue regarding the article's map and/or its captioning. As I indicated in my review, regardless of the map issue, I'm content to pass the nomination as it satisfies the DYK criteria, but if you could address that map issue, that would be even better.

—Lowellian (reply) 21:24, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

RE: Semi-retired?
Yup, drastically cut down on editing activities. I need to balance things given my involvement in offline activities as well, hence may not be able to help as much, though Iv signed up :-) Cheers,  Around The Globe  सत्यमेव जयते 05:06, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Roy Stanbrook
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltar Harbour
I've run into a problem that I've never had before. I started my draft of Gibraltar Harbour on July 27th and many of the small articles that I have written in order to have a comprehensive article then link to my main harbour article. Someone has gone ahead and written a tiny stub for the harbour even though it would have been obvious to anyone writing an article that I already had one in the can. What do I do? Anne (talk) 02:49, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltar national dress
Ooh, love that cape! Cartridge pleats on the hood, by the look of it. Probably ossified from the18th century - do you know how far back this stuff can be traced? Not much to say on the records without a source, but maybe I can find one. Nice stuff, anyway. - PKM (talk) 06:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Belarusian
--Чаховіч Уладзіслаў (talk) 09:37, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Ukrainian
Biathlon (talk) 19:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, we made contact via the FB page. I've started looking through the list of new articles to see if any style/spelling corrections are needed, and to thank the contributors. In the case of the "stub" articles, would it be appropriate to ask them to add more information? Ijbenady (talk) 11:16, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Finnish too
The text above has been posted in our Village pump, fi:Wikipedia:Kahvihuone_(sekalaista), and there is a discussion going on. I posted related questions to Wikipedia talk:GLAM/GibraltarpediA/Gibraltar Challenge/Points, was that the wrong place ? I also translated the "WikiProject GibraltarpediA" -template for talk pages. Look, team Finland is twice as large as in Derby; if we can count our points together we'll take the leading position; also the fi:Gibraltar-page is developing fast and will probably be GA before end of challenge. (S I wonder if there are anypoints available for such improvement; if so it it should be for all team. Cheers, --Tappinen (talk) 11:39, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
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Re:Front Page News
Thanks a lot! - Al Lemos (talk) 00:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for HMS Calpe (L71)
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Vanguard Cave
Orlady (talk) 00:01, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guyana/Assessment
I have been working hard on WikiProject Guyana, but the Guyana articles by quality and importance table never seems to get updated. I sent an email to the Admins for toolserver.org asking for updating, but no reply and no updating. User:Pigsonthewing suggested that I ask you about it. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:43, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Amastrianum
Hello Victuallers I changed the hook at Template:Did you know nominations/Amastrianum. I would be glad to hear your feedback. Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 12:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Great Siege Tunnels
Thanks for copyedit - more of that is welcome. If you want to nominate DYK now, go ahead - I think it is long enough now. I found still another source about the 2WW tunnels but I assume that is not in the scope of this article. --Tappinen (talk) 14:47, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Belarusan
BTW, Victuallers, NFC at this template links to a disambiguation page in English wiki. --Renessaince (talk) 22:47, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Evacuation of the Gibraltarian civilian population during World War II
Hello! Your submission of Evacuation of the Gibraltarian civilian population during World War II at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:16, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Amanda Carreras
Hello, username penkku at tennisforum.com said, that I can use his images of Amanda Carreras on Wikipedia. Btw I don't know how do I upload them to Commons. Do I have to use OTRS? I have never used it before. Thanks. --Stryn (talk) 19:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I asked if he can do account and upload the pictures. --Stryn (talk) 19:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Request for your assistance for The Wikipedia Library
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 * 2) The first check involves using Popups (enabled in Special:Preferences -> click "Gadgets", check the box to enable Popups, then click save).
 * 3) By hovering over a username on the applications list, Popups will show the edit count, age of account, and whether the editor is blocked on English Wikipedia
 * 4) If an editor is blocked, list their name at this page
 * 5) If an editor does not meet the 1-year/1000 editor check using Popups, open their user talk page in a new tab in your browser.
 * 6) Then, you then need to check if the editor meets the criteria on another Wikipedia language project.
 * 7) To check global contributions use the Global Contributions surveyor] on toolserver.
 * 8) Toolserver is a bit slow so I find it helpful to have 3 tabs running simultaneously.
 * 9) Scroll down to the bottom of the toolserver results to see if 1000 edits or 1-year age of accounted are met at another project.  You can also see if the editor is blocked on another project.
 * 10) If neither Popups nor the Global Contribution Surveyor met the criteria, then list their name at [less than 1000 edits, or less than 1 year old account|this page]
 * 11) Mark your section ✅ at this page

Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks so much! -- User:Ocaasi 19:50, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Evacuation of the Gibraltarian civilian population during World War II
Yngvadottir (talk) 08:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Georgina Cassar
Yngvadottir (talk) 08:03, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltarpedia and nl.wiki
Hi. I'm optimizing Gibraltarpedia templates on some WPs to categorize article created (e.g. on ar.wiki, on zh.wiki) and to connect to WikiAfrica/Share Your Knowlegde project. Thanks --M.casanova (talk) 14:09, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a problem with the template on nl.wiki (cancelled here). Any suggestion to resolve this problem?
 * Is there a list of all WP versions involved? This page seems to be outdated.

DYK for Diego de Salinas
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Royal Gilbraltar Yacht Club and other DYK nominations
Given that you are so close to the subject, even noting that it is part of your project, do you think it is appropriate for you to be reviewing these nominations? Your conflict of interest may blind you to errors, as it did in the nomination linked above. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 14:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC) - Not sure Victuallers (talk) 07:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Similarly, I am 99.9% sure that this is against DYK rules. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 23:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC) My error Victuallers (talk) 07:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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Gibraltarpedia and plant articles
Hey Victuallers. So I'm unclear on this, does it have to have a bluelink to Gibraltar? The List of plants in the Gibraltar Botanic Gardens contain plants that are not actually native to Gibraltar, but are nonetheless included in the Gibraltar Botanic Gardens. As such, there would be no way to mention Gibraltar naturally in the article text. Does this mean I should only create articles for plants native to Gibraltar in order for the article to qualify? -- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  06:39, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy with a gib botanic gardens link... does that solve the problem? Oh and welcme aboard. We plan to launch a sub competition for flora and fauna - do you think there would be a wider appeal. Ding flowers fulfils our "bridge to africa" as many will be on both sides of the water Victuallers (talk) 07:16, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly, no it doesn't solve the problem. As I understand the primary aim of filling in the list is to add QR codes to the Gibraltar Botanic Gardens collection, but a large majority of those plants in the list are present in virtually every major botanical garden worldwide (Royal Botanic Gardens Kew, Missouri Botanical Garden, Royal Botanic Gardens Sydney, etc.). It'd be WP:UNDUE to mention the Gibraltar Botanic Gardens (or any botanic garden at all). Anyway, I don't know how appealing a subcompetition would be, as there are comparatively few editors focusing on flora and fauna on Wikipedia, but sure, it sounds like a good way to fill in missing plant and animal articles. (Oh and I'm in this purely for the spirit, ;) rather than the prizes)-- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  07:56, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * OK I understand your position and its a reasonable one - we'll have a think about it. I think there are solutions Victuallers (talk) 08:49, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Whata I have done in fi-wiki is to expand the Gibraltapedia-template at talk page of plant articles like this fi:Keskustelu:Mesiherttalehti so thet the talk page (not the plant article itself) has a link to Gibraltar Botanical garden. Then the talk page of botanical garden has a few sentences about the coming QRpedia campaign. --Tappinen (talk) 18:51, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

GibraltarpediA project and DYK
FYI Victuallers, a discussion that is related to you is ongoing here. Perhaps you'd like to take a look. Cheers. Yazan (talk) 19:06, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

GibraltarpediA in Esperanto
--88.170.224.51 (talk) 13:48, 17 September 2012 (UTC) (Dominik)

Gibraltarpedia article errors
Roger, regarding the errors that you say are in the Gibraltarpedia article, could you drop me an email to explain what they are? I'd like to have a crack at fixing them. Prioryman (talk) 17:25, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Contract
Roger, on this page you say that you signed a contract with the Government of Gibraltar. Are we allowed to know what the contract was for, i.e. what was to be delivered? Thanks Hestiaea (talk) 21:13, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. And I appreciate you asking. The main thrust of the contract is the creation of QRpedia plaques to go around Gibraltar and for training sessions. Do ask if you want more information. The idea that we are developing a contract across not just national but continental borders is very cool. Victuallers (talk) 22:06, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Shucks, so you can't get me in somewhere in a half-built time-share in Marbella (last two weeks in May) after all, then. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the humour Martin, its appreciated. We are however hoping to offer subsidies to those who might want to visit. We aere still working out the details but it is a distinct possibility. You will see that you can get a free trip to Gibraltar if you win the Gibraltar Prize (oops, I mean - see here) Victuallers (talk) 22:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Never in all my sordid and sardonic dealings with the-strange-animal-that-is-the-bingo-card-that-anyone-can-edit, have I ever felt that truth is so much stranger that fiction. But hang on... now, where did I put that oversized raffle-ticket stub !!?? But I don't mean to sound carping and scornful. I would never wish to question your integrity in business dealings, and I wish you every success. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Gibpediavote
Hi there Victuallers! I just noticed Gibpediavote, and despite the template text I couldn't for the life of me figure out what it was for. Could you give me any more details about the program that uses this text? We may well be able to find a more efficient way of doing things than the way they are set up now. Best regards — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 14:37, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Portuguese
Unfortunately (for me), I prohibited myself from editing in the Portuguese Wikipedia - except for one day out of the year. This day is far away... - Al Lemos (talk) 23:39, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

...and Galician
The Galicians don't seem to care much about international challenges, but I'm doing my part... - Al Lemos (talk) 23:51, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Username
As you may know, your username is being discussed over on Jimbo's talk page. I consider it a blatant violation of WP:ORGNAME, as it gives the impression you are editing on behalf of Victuallers Ltd. and, as far as policy is concerned, the fact that you chose to employ your username as the name of your company is entirely immaterial. I'd like to invite you to file a request to have your username changed, because, rebus sic stantibus, it does not comply with our username policy. I'm sorry. Salvio Let's talk about it! 13:44, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Re:Hey Gallacian
Hi Vic! You are doing a great job, and I would like to suggest that you could get more official photos of the MPs from Gibraltar. After all, all they are or were ministers at a time or another... - Al Lemos (talk) 23:17, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Great Siege Tunnels
Hello! Your submission of Great Siege Tunnels at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:13, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Controversy section
Hi. I thought you should know that, following discussion on the talk page, I put together a "controversy" section on the Gibraltarpedia page. I have long respected your work and don't know whether the allegations are valid or not, but now that the story has spread widely in the mainstream media, a discussion of the controversy was needed. Since you are the subject of those allegations, I thought you should be aware so that you can comment. Cbl62 (talk) 15:37, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not even going to look at that page. I may see something I don't like and I wouldn't be able to change it. I do hope you have made a fair section and not just listed speculations - that would be very poor. Victuallers (talk) 16:52, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have tried to identify the major media outlets covering the controversy. So far, the coverage has been quite negative and is picking up momentum in sources across the world.  I did include a statement from you that was on the Wikimedia UK page.  Absent a press statement by you or the government of Gibraltar, the coverage will likely continue to be quite negative.  You may want to consider making a statement.  Alternately, if you can identify sources that would provide better balance, many editors (myself included) would be happy to consider adding them.  Cbl62 (talk) 18:17, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi
I'll take up your offer. Although links to things not happening are tricky to find.
 * 1) What exactly am I being accused of? Paid Editting? I have not been paid to edit an article for money or create a slant in an article. I have been on Wikipedia for 5 years. I know what happens to MPs who peacock their own pages or institutions who pay someone else to do it.
 * 2) Creating a competition where people create articles. They can get two extra points for getting a DYK. This is because this is a measure of quality. similar points are offered by the wiki-cup and wiki loves monuments. Has anyone noticed that lots of the articles that are allowed in the contest are not allowed on the English DYK ..... because they are not in English. Why would encourage edits in Gallacian if the object was publicity?

'''There is a comment from the Government of Gibraltar in the Gib Chronicle tomorrow morning which includes a supportive statement from Wikimedia UK Victuallers (talk) 18:55, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

We can confirm that Roger Bamkin, an ex-Director of Wikimedia UK, is one of two individuals who continue to provide advice on the production of the QR codes and training for volunteer contributors to Gibraltar's Wikipedia site. These two individuals were also involved in Monmouth's Wikipedia project. The final agreement with them is being finalised and does not include them being paid to write or edit articles on Wikipedia. A letter of intent between all parties was signed in June. Doug Taylor, Vice-Chair of Wikimedia UK said "WMUK have been keen to be involved with this project ever since it was announced at Wikimania. The agreement that the Gibraltar Government has with the Wikimedia Foundation ensures that there is a clear legal basis for this collaboration. Roger Bamkin and John Cummings remain as the Wikimedia UK members who managed to get the accolade of "World's coolest project" for their last project in Wales. I wish them similar success as they aim to "bridge Europe and Africa". Sorry that it has taken most of the day to provide the above. Regards, Stuart SI GREEN Press Office HM Government of Gibraltar No 6 Convent Place Gibraltar'''
 * Once the statement is picked up in a reliable media source (or published on the Gibraltar web site), this statement should be referenced in the controversy section. Cbl62 (talk) 19:22, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thats OK, I won't be doing that Victuallers (talk) 19:34, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

COI
The main way to avoid COI is to extend the scope of the articles that are included as COI. I have not pushed the Gibraltar article, or the Monmouth article. In fact most of wikitown projects' activity is not on the English Wikipedia. I do not intend to make any main space edits on the English Wikipedia concerning articles about Gibraltar or things based in Gibraltar. I'm not paid to do this as you can see above. I'm not paid to edit Wikipedia and I have never been. No one is trying to create a positive spin for Gibraltar. We are trying to create the second wiki-town, we are trying to extend the success of Wikipedia in European languages and in Europe. Victuallers (talk) 07:42, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a reasonable first step, but why limit this to English language Wikipedia? The appearance of impropriety is the same regardless of which language you contribute in. Cbl62 (talk) 14:30, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, it seems that the same restriction should also apply to others who have directly or indirectly received money from Gibraltar for training, advice, consulting, or otherwise. Have other Gibraltarpedia editors received any money? Cbl62 (talk) 14:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I read your reply below. I'm still not sure why you would want to make main space edits about Gibraltar in other languages.  If the goal is simply to assist others, that could be done easily by commenting on the talk page of the user needing assistance.  Commenting in main space of a Gibraltar article (regardless of language) would continue to create an appearance of COI.  Also, I'm not sure you answered my question about whether other Gibraltarpedia editors have directly or indirectly received money from the Government of Gibraltar.  For example, what about project coordinator Tyson Lee Holmes?  And others?  If these persons have received money directly or indirectly from the government or Tourist Board, it seems to me that should be operating under the same restriction you proposed for yourself.  What do you think? Cbl62 (talk) 01:23, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Review of hooks loaded to main page

 * Hi Cbl62, Ive been thinking .... I know it wasnt me who loaded these gibraltarpedia articles to the main page. Other people may not realise that its a many step process involving at least three different people with one of them being an admin. I'm going to look back and see who it was who moved the gibpedia articles to prep (which I think is the key move). Care to join me? Oh don't mean to avoid your question. The contract is with me and John Cummings. I exclude other language wikipedia because they have there own rules. I'm also a monoglot so managing to assist someone in another language is a victory in itself. I think they would just be glad of the help. You may notice that there is no fuss about the Gibraltarpedia DYKs on the Hindi Wikipedia - the focus is entirely anglocentric - which our project isnt! Victuallers (talk) 15:49, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) First one in September was Gibraltar Cruise Terminal written by Anne approved by Viotet Riga and promoted by Cisco - is this the POV where we tell visitors about the explosion near the cruise termina?
 * 2) HMS Calpe was written be me, approved by SGCM and promoted by Crisco. If the object is PR then why choose HMS Calpe? Why not mention Gibraltar in the hook? Why not choose HMS Gibraltar Prize which hadnt been written yet?
 * 3) Vanguard Cave written by me and approved by Lowellian and promoted by Crisco - This cave is not open to the public. The Gibraltarpedia pic was not my idea but was the only free picture of the cave. (Both pictures are from the same photo). I created the simpler photo to avoid putting the Gibraltarpedia pic on the front page.
 * 4) Profield Contractors written by Anne. POV? includes that there was a terrorist at the company. Approved by SChmidt and promoted by Crisco
 * 5) Evacuation of the Gibraltarian civilian population during World War II nominally by Ecemnal but fixed by me and GibMetal77 - approved by BrownHairedGirl and promoted by Allen3 (Who answered my request to have it loaded to the main page as my COI prevented me acting)
 * 6) Georgina Cassar - written by Gibmetal77 nominited by me and loaded by Allen3
 * 7) That's interesting Royal Navel Hospital, Gibraltar was written by Anne and promoted by Panyd on 8th Sept
 * 8) Diego de Salinas written by Al Lemos and approved by Anne and promoted by Panyd on 8th Sept - Two loaded on the same day.
 * 9) Jews' Gate Cemetery written by Anne, approved by Maile66 and promoted by Panyd
 * 10) Next three are all by Anne and not approved or promoted by me

AGF comment

 * One can only AGF for so long Victuallers. Doesn't it strike you as odd, for example, that at least 7 or 8 hooks were reviewed by the same editors involved in that very project? and that several of these reviews were erroneous (not counting your mistake in reviewing a hook you nominated) and had to be called upon by other reviewers on DYK?
 * House of glass and all that! Yazan (talk) 16:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You have obviously looked at more of these hooks than me to work out the pattern. Actually I'd expect that the first review is done by someone who knows something about the subject. Members of the same project frequently approve fellow project members hooks. We even have hooks (usually Maths) where we need to find a relevant expert to read the DYK article. House of Glass? I intend to be transparent! Moving hooks however to the main page is a clear COI problem. Victuallers (talk) 16:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I did look at many of them, yes. I don't see a pattern (in a sinister way), but I do see a group of editors who cooperate a lot, and perhaps like to help each other with a quick review. That is a COI problem. Many of them are fresh editors, so it can be understandable, but you're a very experienced editor and you know that reviewing the works of people you regularly cooperate with (especially at such a sensitive distance from the main page) is discouraged, at best. The articles on Gibraltar (by their nature) have nothing exceptionally complex about them that they would need an expert in the field. At any rate, I just wanted to bring that to your attention since you are reviewing the articles anyway. Yazan (talk) 16:47, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Yazan. I would like to feel good about the fact that we have new editors here. Actually I think Al Lemos has a lot of experience on the Catalan Wikipedia. Anne is a newish editor and look at the quality of her articles! I shall be surprised if this new idea to review the articles finds any real POV or COI. Will that restore some of your AGF? Victuallers (talk) 16:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * There are two different issues at hand right now: a) the local one at DYK which I think can be easily resolved through increased scrutiny on those articles relating to Gibraltar. In this one, yes I do think that a transparent review (one that is less POINTY --with regards to Panyd for example, whose concerns weren't out of thin air) would go a long way in restoring the AGF to many people including myself, and more importantly restore AGF in the volunteer editors who find themselves stranded in a shitstorm. b) The other, more serious and larger issue, is the sense (or appearance, if you will) of impropriety that has surrounded the officialdom side of this affair (WMUK, yourself and Gov of Gibraltar). This is something that is for the community at large to discuss and scrutinize further. Yazan (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Yazan, I have removed some of the pointyness. Actually I was pleased to see that you noticed that were moving fairly inexperienced editors to DYK. Training is what I'm being paid for - albeit in Gib. The appearance was always an issue so I had offered to resign from the board twice. It has now been accepted but it should have been done earlier (20 20 hindsight). What I wanted to show above was that I was not promoting Gibpedia articles or moving them from prep to the main queue. These are IMO the key steps. This loading of DYKs has unfortunately been the subject of some media stories. Just because they are numerous doesnt mean its one person doing it. (Actually there are a lot more suspicious numbers of Gibralarpedia articles appearing on the Catalan Wikipedia - we have agreed this with them).


 * I was pleased to find that there were some important and experienced editors involved like BrownHairedGirl, Allen3 and others. There is no doubt that the appearance could be handled better - (which just goes to prove I am not the PR expert that some allege). Hearing you reconsider gives me an expectation of a fair hearing. It does concern me that some are saying "Look! Ive discovered a COI!" forgetting to mention that they found the information on a public wiki where I had declared it. This project was based on Monmouthpedia, everyone at Wikimania was given a guide as to how a wiki town project worked, it was said that you needed external funding. We then show a video that reveals that the Minister of Tourism is involved. The Gibraltar government sign a deal to use the Wikipedia logo. Now, months later I get the impression that people are saying "we weren't told" Victuallers (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Mr. Bamkin - Were you training people to focus on "did you know?" Were you telling them it was a good thing? If so, why? Were you suggesting that the point of writing a new article was getting on "did you know?" Etc...Bali ultimate (talk) 17:52, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The guy I remember training last week was a Slovak who had moved to Gibraltar to learn Spanish. Very bright guy with good IT skills. We worked together for maybe 45 minutes on his PC. At the end of that time we had a one line referenced, iboxed and imaged article is Slovak on Gibraltar Airport. He might be able to improve it unsupervised but I believe he will need more support to go solo. You understand I believe how tricky it is to get an article through DYK. Its also tricky to train people in languages that are not English which can be the case. There was 1 active Wikipedian in Gibraltar and he WAS the Gibraltar project. I don't know anyone who can train a newbie to write DYK articles by themselves. So the answer is not "No" but "It would only confuse them". We are trying to create more wikipedians and a better coverage of Gibraltar, Southern Spain, Ceuta and Northern Morocco. Hope that helps. Please call me Roger Victuallers (talk) 11:34, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to interject as factual context for the question that it's long been practice in the Wikipedia Education Program to encourage students to submit to DYK the articles they have been creating or expanding in their course. Although there are differences of opinion about how central this should be to a course, the reasons for focus on DYK should be obvious: submitting to any kind of review process is good, and DYK is the most accessible & relevant review for a new user working on a new article. A lot of the motivation for students to write well comes from the fact that on Wikipedia it will be read not just by their tutor but by a large public audience, and DYK is a way to bring this about. So I hope that when Roger trains people in improving articles, he tells them that DYK is a good thing: this would be in line with the Wikipedia training that's given in many universities. Given that the Gilbraltarpedia project is being continuously documented on the public web, I expect it's easy to confirm whether the point of the project is to create DYKs or' to make reliable, comprehensive information about the topic area freely available to the world through Wikipedia, with DYK as a step in that process. MartinPoulter (talk) 17:47, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that the DYK is a useful check of a competent article. If you can write a successful DYK then you are no longer a trainee. DYK could be seen as a certifcate. When you complete a DYK then you are a competent Wikipedian. Victuallers (talk) 19:28, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Bristol Hotel
Hi, can somebody in Gibraltar please photograph Bristol Hotel, Gibraltar in daylight and also try to enter its lobby and restaurant or whatever and take some photos. Badly needs photographs.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I'll contact John or Tyson. The Bristol Hotel is just be the museum so it should be easy. Its not a very showy building from the outside Victuallers (talk) 10:52, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Flat Bastion Road also. You should organize a geograph type project within Gibraltarpedia for images. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  08:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

A possible DYK
Hey Vic! What do you think about Anthony Dudley for DYK? - Al Lemos (talk) 23:12, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) VERY Nice to hear from you Al, at the moment is only 700 characters as the rules don't include the text that has bullet points. There is a fuss on the English wikipedia about Gibraltar DYKs. The reason is that I'm being paid to organise the QRpedia codes and training. It might be wise to avoid it - but its your call. Victuallers (talk) 09:29, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh... someday we'll try it again ;) - Al Lemos (talk) 14:20, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh and we'll give you the missing 2 points!!

Birth of GibraltarpediA

 * Firstly see MonmouthpediA and read about the "coolest project". I had to stand down as Chair of Wikimedia UK to work for money on this project. It was worth it.


 * 12th May 2012 - re-elected as director of WMUK where my statement makes it clear that I am being paid "for Monmouth Museum.... well a whole town". I also talk about the continuing COI with QRpedia and the difficulty of handling this in reply to questions. Despite this public declaration I am elected.
 * 30th? May - Phone call from Gibraltar and then email on 31st May "me and colleague" invited. (John Cummings and I had lots of offers from New York down).
 * 3rd July - I sent note saying "maybe" after consulting John Cummings
 * 19th - 22nd July in Gibraltar - sign deal as "John Cummings and Roger Bamkin" on 22nd as they wanted "the guys who did MonmouthpediA" - Gibraltar Government were aware that we were not signing on behalf of WMUK. No mention of editing - (its silly to buy advocacy). The work is to install QRpedia and support a GibraltarpediA project. This was a clone/improvement of Monmouthpedia.
 * 30 June Wikimedia UK Board meeting-debriefed the contract in camera (and who was involved). Offered resignation for 2nd time.
 * 11th July - Gov. of Gib and WMF sign MOU. WMUK and me/John are not involved or consulted.(I was surprised by this)
 * Wikimania starts and every delegate is given a guide which explains the wiki town project (including the need for money, logo permission and QRpedia). This document was written by me, John Cummings, WMUK staff and volunteers. A video (that we shot and directed and paid for) makes it clear that John and I are involved in reply to an invitation from the Minister of Tourism - The video does NOT identify me as a WMUK director. WMUK are said to be "supportive" as agreed (ie WMUK are not at that time committed and their logo is not used). The purpose is to build a bridge to Africa.
 * 12th July - announcement in Washington and Gibraltar in Spanish, Arabic and English. (I wasn't there as my daughter was getting married on the 14th in the UK.)
 * 21st July update COI on public Wiki for any people who had missed the Wikimania announcement - (note no one reacted - it was public info) (it had already been declared on the confidential board wiki.)
 * Since then the project has taken off on Facebook and Twitter and on Wiki. Hundreds of articles written. A minority of the articles are in English. Six public training sessions in Gibraltar. Met many leading gibraltar groups & three ministers. Talking about free wi-fi and we have a mention on the BBC web site. By September we had agreed support from Catalan Wikipedia, Morocco volunteers, Wiki Africa and an MOU had been drafted with WMUK. Victuallers (talk) 20:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Roger, you have been the focus of this because of your position with WMUK and the inevitable confusion between your roles as consultant, WMUK Trustee, and Wikipedia editor. I don't think I have seen anyone express any concerns about John Cummings here on Wikipedia. I believe the fact that you tried to resign from the board on three separate occasions shows that you recognized that there was a conflict of interest. It is a shame that the board did not accept your resignation when you first offered it, as it would have saved you from the recent press reports. One thing that troubles me is that you stood down as Chair when you became a paid consultant to Monmouth City Council but remained a Trustee - how is it possible for one to have a conflict of interest that prevents one from being Chair of a charity but allows one to continue being a Trustee? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:06, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Roger, that isn't a rhetorical question - I really do not understand how one can have a conflict of interest that prevents one from being Chair but allows one to be a Trustee. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 11:44, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * A Chair can have executive powers and the ability to decide what is discussed and what is not. The chair should be ensuring that COI concerns are managed. This makes it clear I think that there is an important difference in responsibility. I don't believe Ting Chen has an imterest in Wikipedia related technologies - this would make the Chair's job much easier to manage. Victuallers (talk) 14:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Village Pump proposal for a means of pre-approving collaborations
See WP:VPR. Your comments are welcome. Please note that I have said, and believe, that I am sure you thought you were doing a good thing for Wikipedia with this project, but enough problems are emerging to make it desirable to have some means of advance discussion of any further projects of this kind before they are committed. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Email
Dear Roger, I've emailed you on a Signpost matter, using your Commons email facility. Thanks. Tony  (talk)  13:49, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltar-related deletion discussions
As you're a member of WikiProject GibraltarpediA, I thought you might wish to know that there are a number of deletion requests currently ongoing relating to articles and assets involving Gibraltar. They are:


 * Articles for deletion/Flat Bastion Road
 * Articles for deletion/Bristol Hotel, Gibraltar
 * Templates for discussion/Log/2012 September 25

If you have any views on these deletion requests, please feel free to comment on the relevant pages. Prioryman (talk) 22:31, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi and thanks
Hi, I'm now (eventually) coming back to Wikipedia after starting a new job. Can I say thank you for all your help while I've been editing, especially when I was having personal issues. Now I have a little more income, I'll be joining WMUK, I do hope to see you there - you have been a great influence on the English Wikipedia for me, thank you! With all that's been going on, keep up your work. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 18:11, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I was just about to blank my page Victuallers (talk) 21:43, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltarpedia deletion proposal
Dear Gibraltarpedia contributor,

A proposal has been made to delete Gibraltarpedia. If you have a view on this, please feel free to comment at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:GLAM/GibraltarpediA. Prioryman (talk) 09:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Wow
Hadn't looked at en:wiki for ten days or so, having got depressed by the dragging on of the most minor possible dispute ... And meanwhile over here ... Well, it'll fade away, you know. All the best And rew D alby  12:53, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

New essay on Gibraltarpedia
You might be interested in an essay that I've written on the issue of Gibraltarpedia's supposed ability to produce commercial benefits for Gibraltar; see User:Prioryman/Gibraltarpedia, monetisation and myths. Prioryman (talk) 23:02, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Re:A 100!
Hi Vic! Oh, well, I was the first... but now, I'm not the only one ;) - Al Lemos (talk) 12:29, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Emily McInerny
Do you feel like nominating a DYK article for me? See: Emily McInerny.

That.... In the Australian Women's National Basketball League, Emily McInerny was awarded the Robyn Maher Defensive Player of the Year at total of nine times?

The DYK rules and process are a little complicated for me. Cheers, Spy007au (talk) 04:54, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Webcasted board meetings
Hi Roger, regarding your userpage statement, I was interested in your assertion that WMUK has webcasted its board meetings, and I went to the WMUK Water cooler to find out more. See Water_cooler. The answers provided so far do not provide evidence to support your statement as written. If the UK board has not systematically been providing webcasts, and especially if they have not provided webcasts of anything regarding Gibraltarpedia, then I request that you make those points clear in your statement or revise it so that it does not lead the reader to make incorrect assumptions. John Vandenberg (chat) 05:03, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi John, its true that the UK board has not webcast every meeting or that even 100% of every meeting has been, but it did webcast its meetings . This was an important example of our intention to be open. My recall is that the first meeting we webcast was in November 2011 when the meeting was held at the British Library and a number of key Foundation staff also attended at least one day of the meeting. This would not have been the first meeting where we had non-board members present for most of the meeting. For instance Ting Chen witnessed this when he attended the important part of our board meeting in August 2011 which is where he saw the first museum in Derby that was fully installed with QRpedia codes. Hope that helps Victuallers (talk) 07:41, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Having non-board observers at board meetings is great. WMAU has done the same at various points in its history, but unfortunately we've never been graced with WMF staff or board. ;-)
 * Having webcasted board meetings is bloody fantastic, and it is appropriate that you mention it as evidence that the intention of WMUK is to be open.
 * But these good things dont change the fact that your statement as written is misleading. Only minor changes are need to mention the good things but also qualify them so that they dont mislead the reader. John Vandenberg (chat) 08:08, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you - to be honest they have only been twice to my knowledge but there is an open invitation (or was). I have added an extra word. If you think you can finesse it further then feel free. Victuallers (talk) 09:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Changing it to "They have web cast their board meetings." does not lessen the problem as that is still parsed in the English language to be an assertion without any qualification. You have weakened the strength of the assertion, but done nothing to qualify it so that it isnt misunderstood.  And I am not going to start copy-editing your statement for clarity.  If you are not going to take this seriously, the most I would do is slap a tag on the sentence or page, and I dont want to do that. John Vandenberg (chat) 10:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry John, but the accusation that I am not taking this seriously is not showing good faith. YOu are maybe seeing a nuance of meaning that I cannot see. I have little idea what "an assertion without any qualification" means. I have offered to let you change the words (or even if you like suggest the words). What do you want me to do? Victuallers (talk) 10:47, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I have difficulty believing that you dont know what "an assertion without any qualification" means. Be that as it may be, if I was in your position I would be more informative and add that none of the meetings about Gibraltarpedia were webcast.  Were there any observers at any of the sessions regarding Gibraltarpedia?  If not, I would mention that too.  Those additions are called qualifications (see third meaning), but not surprisingly you will find Oxford more helpful as it grounds that meaning in logic. John Vandenberg (chat) 12:21, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * A you noted above, the web cast is evidence of openness. Its not evidence of perfection in communication. Stuff about Gibraltar was not distributed because it was a "surprise" for Wikimania.... and at that point neither WMUK or the Foundation had committed to the project. When the WMF did then I think you will find it mentioned in each meeting in my reports to the board.... and in my declaration of interests. These are valid points but I'm not sure that they are linked to the assertion or lack of it of webcasting in my mind. Victuallers (talk) 13:03, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Would love to chat
Hi Victuallers,

I have been working on a multi-part Signpost interview series called Does Wikipedia Pay?. It's an in depth forum to discuss issues, principles, and practices with the people who work intimately in the COI area. I don't know if the timing is right for you or not, but I would love to have a conversation with you exploring your work with WMUK and Gibraltarpedia, to try and tease out what happened from your point of view, what went well and what didn't, what we can learn from the experience, and what the implications are for future partnerships and relationships. Please feel free to reply here or on my talk page, or email me directly at wikiocaasi@yahoo.com. Cheers, Ocaasit &#124; c 14:44, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * THanks for the offer Ocaasi but I'm not interested in money only in the mission. Have a think about the phrase you used "work ... in the COI area" and maybe you haven't quite understood whats going on. Actually that one phrase is quite offensive and makes me wonder if you have quite grasped what is going on. Victuallers (talk) 15:25, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry for any confusion Victuallers. The scope of the discussions has been quite broad including Wikipedia editors who work with COI users, Public Relations representatives, and for-profit Wikipedia consultants.  Please take a look at prior interviews to get a sense of their focus and tone; I hope you'll see that they're not witch-hunts and they don't try to pigeonhole people.  If you focus on the mission and not the money, then the interview would be a great opportunity to explain that and address any misconceptions about your work.  Anytime you're interested, the offer is open. Ocaasit &#124; c 17:44, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, I don't mean to bug you, but I was wondering if since things have calmed down a bit, if you would be interested in talking. I care deeply about the ability of Wikipedians to partner with organizations and do their work, yet I think COI concerns are something that need to be dealt with head on to ensure that can continue.  I have no intention of painting you with any brush, but I would want to give you an opportunity to respond to questions and share your story.  Do you think we could talk this week?  The interviews are very informal and you would have time to craft responses over email at your leisure.  I hope you're well, Ocaasit &#124; c 12:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Monmouthpedia MOU
WMUK staff member User:Stevie Benton uploaded File:Signing_of_memorandum_of_understanding.ogv with the following description:"This video shows Roger Bamkin, Trustee of Wikimedia UK, introducing the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding between Wikimedia UK and Monmouthshire County Council. The signing took place in Monmouth's Shire Hall on 19 May 2012, the Monmouthpedia celebration day. See Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediA for more information about the project."

Note that you are identified as "Trustee of Wikimedia UK" and refer to yourself similarly in your speech. This is after you stepped down as WMUK Chair, so I assume you were at that point acting as a paid consultant to the Monmouth County Council. In the video, you, John Cummings, Ashley van Haeften (then Chair of WMUK), and a member of the MCC are shown signing a document. I have been discussing WMUK MOUs related to Monmouthpedia and Gibraltarpedia with John Byrne on Jimbo's talk page, but he seems to be having trouble answering even the simplest questions, so it may be quicker to ask you. When signing the MOU shown in the video, how were you identified (i.e., as a consultant or as a trustee of WMUK or both)? Is that MOU available anywhere to the public or to members of WMUK? Thanks in advance for your help. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:29, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, I had a declared Conflict of Interest at that point. I was a trustee and I was working for Monmouthshire County Council. That was made clear when I stepped down as Chair. I was identified as a member of the steering committee I believe Victuallers (talk) 17:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Roger. Is the MOU available anywhere? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:10, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

"a campaign to delete articles on the English Wikipedia."
You claim that there is "a campaign to delete articles on the English Wikipedia" wrt GibraltarpediA. Are you just referring to the 2 articles I nominated for deletion, or are there (or have there been) more articles up for deletion that I am not aware of? If you are just referring to those two; that's hardly a campaign, it's one person seeing two problematic articles, one of which turned out to be barely notable after all, and one which is really a disgrace for Wikipedia (and if you want to give GibraltarpediA the responsibility for the article, a disgrace for GibraltarpediA as well). The behaviour of multiple editors in the AfD for that article (and in editing that artile) has been really very poor, either through incompetence or through deliberate misrepresentation of sources to make it appear a lot more notable and important than it actually is. Anyone whois really concerned with Wikipedia and who has the best interests of Wikipedia at heart should take a long look at that article and the edits of many involved in it, instead of inventing a "campaign". Fram (talk) 09:02, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Nominating two articles isn't a campaign I agree but without being pedantic is that all that took place or have you devoted a lot of time to these AfDs? If its just two Afds then I'm happy to change the word. Victuallers (talk) 13:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I have devoted a lot of time to the Flat Bastion Road AFD, not a lot on the other one. The Flat Bastion Road AfD is now at DRV. Fram (talk) 13:56, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry i ve been travelling. Pleased to see the template delete has also timed out. You do have a case with Flat Bastion Road for modification and I thinks it in progress. As usual the deletion process works out well for notable articles eventually it does consume some good will though. (However it isnt a finite resource!) Victuallers (talk) 11:20, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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Sanko's death
Hi, victuallers, I feel very sad about Sanko's death, which I was unaware of. --88.170.224.51 (talk) 12:48, 10 October 2012 (UTC) Dominik

Better News
Last month Prague, this month Yan Pei-Ming's exhibition opens with QRpedia codes in Qatar. Victuallers (talk) 15:15, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Islamic Gibraltar
Take a look at User:Prioryman/Islamic Gibraltar - any thoughts before I put it into article space?

I'd really like to include a picture of the Moorish baths at the Gibraltar Museum but I'm afraid the pictures we have currently aren't up to scratch. Is there any chance that the museum might be able to provide a decent photo? Prioryman (talk) 10:52, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

FA in front page in Finland
Gibraltar is our newest featured article and hence represented this week on fi:Wikipedia:Etusivu. See if you want to get a screenshot. Cheers, --Tappinen (talk) 18:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, while "being quiet" I've made some botanical sub-stubs, and collaboration with my buddies, such as the FA. So nothing to collect points for. --Tappinen (talk) 18:25, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 20 points for an FA!! - Never thought we'd make the front page. Well done ! Victuallers (talk) 19:06, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no points for this FA because it was a team effort, not one editor job. --Tappinen (talk) 20:40, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * What a pity. Ive just finished one of my contributions for Ada Lovelace Day and fittingly shes Finnish/Swedish - Marianne Alopaeus Victuallers (talk) 20:44, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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Discussion about Monmouthpedia MOU
I've mentioned our previous MOU discussions at Talk:Jimbo Wales. You may wish to comment. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 11:33, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

List of female Fellows of the Royal Society
Hi there. Are those images okay for use under WP:NFLISTS? -- KTC (talk) 10:36, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Wasnt aware of that policy ... I'll look... Victuallers (talk) 10:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Template:QR code
Part of this template code appears to rely on an external site (namely Google), Would it be possible to look into replacing the google usage with an internally generated QR Code generator which could be implemented as a mediawiki extension? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't know where to start coding this, but surely PERL or PHP has an interface for doing this ?

The reason I suggested this was because amongst other things, it would be good not to have to rely on an external vendor that might start charging, or restrict access. The vendor in question also has agnostic relationship with 'free' software. ;) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:47, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

So good idea, but ..., I also wonder whether it should be called QRpedia as at the moment you cannot get a simple qR code so maybe two templates are required. Victuallers (talk) 11:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm - Thanks for looking into this :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:59, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

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Finnish names
Hello, saw you question about whether fi:John Mackintoshin aukio has a translated name, and I do not understand the question. Do you mean if we have a redirect from the English name ? The subject itself is in English (engl.) "John Mackintosh Square") as you see from interwiki link and the intro of the article itself. Second question: do you want in your table all the languages which have that article, or just one example per article, and what about those which do not exist in English (yet) ? --Tappinen (talk) 04:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Coordinates
Yes, I thought this would be useful. Thanks for adding to it but I may refine them as I started it as my suggestions for the rough location of each plaque (i.e. rather than have it point to the centre of Catalan Bay, have it point to where I think the plaque will be best placed). Of course, this is just a guide and I guess the building owner will have the last word.

I'll do my best to get someone to start more stubs in Spanish. I tried User:Ecemaml, but it seems he won't be editing for much longer for whatever reason. It's a real shame as we used to work very well together... --<span style="margin:0;text-align:left;color:#FF7F00;font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;padding:0.2em 0.4em">Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 11:30, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea! --<span style="margin:0;text-align:left;color:#FF7F00;font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;padding:0.2em 0.4em">Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 11:40, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thanks!

By the way, have you seen this? Blundering idiocity seems to be putting it kindly. Fortunately he seems to be mostly irrelevant these days (cf. flagged revisions and the lack thereof). Prioryman (talk) 23:37, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh but he does get media attention - I have written as you suggested as I think this may be a good move as we discussd. However its very important not to "shoot from the hip". Victuallers (talk) 15:37, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that, would like to see the Gibraltar project scaled to Spain and Morocco of course.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  11:00, 25 October 2012 (UTC) Me too. If only I had your ambitions for world supremacy! ... joking aside. These is the start of an article on Ceuta Cathedral in my sandbox and more importantly a wodge of pictures on Wiki and literally hundreds more with free licences on Flickr (search in Spanish!). Ceuta is certainly in scope and its a very notable subject. Cannot believe Marrakech didnt have an article! Blimey it has a song! and place in evry ex hippies heart - if only you had one :-) Victuallers (talk) 15:37, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Gib Award
I don't know about all this Gibraltar nonsense. Give it back to the Moors, I say. But I was feeling a bit grumpy about some DYK nit-picking, and your barnstar picked up my mood and put a smile on my face. Thanks, and congratulations, Aymatth2 (talk) 23:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As for mine, I don't deserve it! I know what you're playing at: you want to make me feel guilty about not writing any Gibraltar pages yet. Been a bit busy, but I haven't forgotten. Watch this space Andrew Dalby 08:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

"But I was feeling a bit grumpy about some DYK nit-picking" Mmm you're not alone, Marrakech was rejected as a DYK check its history!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  11:01, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

A threat?
I don't know how to categorise this. A threat? I'll be prohibited of create articles in Spanish linked to Gibraltarpedia? Is the ultimate menace from Cookie Monster? - Al Lemos (talk) 23:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Al, I have been trying to chat about this - it could be that people have just read the wiki drama. Victuallers (talk) 11:45, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

No, it isn't. The wikidrama exists and does not provide a good image. However, it's the lack of respect to local regulations and the mockery to people the main problems. Of course, you can choose to blame on the other guys and not acknowledging that Al has been uncivil and has refused to understand the reasons why a 600x327 image is not allowed as a wikiproject stamp in the Spanish Wikipedia (regardless of coming from Gibraltarpedia or from the Pope in Rome). Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 16:18, 25 October 2012 (UTC) PS: see es:Wikipedia:Plantillas de wikiproyectos


 * I don't know the rules of the Spanish Wikipedia and I'm not an admin there. I would expect that we would comply with local rules. Is'nt it a bit unusual to discuss this here? I do agree about the wikidrama. I don't think I can help unless Ive missed something Victuallers (talk) 18:47, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, a little bit unusual, but I cannot discuss in any other place (which actually means that my opinions are not really much representative). Anyway, my 2 cents. Nothing prevents anyone from translating articles in the English Wikipedia into the Spanish Wikipedia (obviously). Mentions to Gibraltarpedia will be deleted unless a proper Gibraltarpedia Wikiproject is created in the Spanish Wikipedia. The policies to do it are described in en:WP:PR. Mind that it's needed a formal application is needed. It can be done only by an autoconfirmed user that must be one-month old and have at least 200 editions. 4 additional persons are needed to approve the creation of a wikiproject. Additionally, it would be good to introduce the project in the Spanish Wikipedia Village Pump (a user fluent in Spanish would be needed) being ready to ask many uncomfortable questions. That's all. Hope it helps --Ecemaml (talk) 21:33, 25 October 2012 (UTC) PS: on the other hand, there's a general lack of source information in many of your uploads to commons. Without such information is difficult to assert whether a work is in the public domain. PS2: if you don't mind, I'd like to share my views on the "wikidrama" you mention. I don't know whether you are a PR guy or not, it doesn't matter. The fact is that you're being paid by the Gibraltar Government (some of their officials stated that they wished a positive treatment of Gibraltar in wikipedia and that's clearly a purpose not compatible with Wikipedia's mission). That's not a problem with me, but I won't cooperate with a funded effort while at the same time I'm not paid. I assume that you, as a business, have a value proposition to Gibraltar. I don't want to know it, but I do know that the Gibraltar Government is not interested at all in the free knowledge (otherwise they'd put the archives from the Garrison Library, the Gibraltar Museum and the Gibraltar Archives in commons with an appropriate license). Instead, they're asking for cheap public relationships through wikipedia. And that's, more than your specific post in the project, what makes the initiative really out of scope (of course, that's my opinion)
 * I was aware of that each wiki has different rules and I remember reading about the rown that Jimmy and the Spanish had early in wiki history. I'm not sure what PR guy you are talking of. I have been erroneously called a PR person but surely its obvious thats not true! The Gib newspapers seem to believe that you can make money from getting a DYK to mention your name - I can see where they might have got that idea but I know from prev. estimates that this has no financial value. I'm surprised you say that about the GOG because that is what we are talking to them about - and they have not said No..... yet? GOG are paying us to help them with QR[edia plaques, licensing, teaching, 3d modelling - we don't do 2cheap public relationships". You may be right in the end I guess but I'm willing to be optimistic.

I have updated all the picture records on commons as you can always improve but I was confused by some of your calls but hopefully you are now reassured. Victuallers (talk) 23:06, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Spanish Wikipedia
I don't think I can help here (I'm banned from editing in there, so that I can't be helpful). However, there are simple and sensible behaviours that rule for every wikipedia. For example, being respectful for the local regulations of each wikipedia. The Spanish wikipedia is quite conservative in the way wikiprojects are handled and definitely including a template as the one Al Lemos included is not allowed. Nodoby will complain too much (besides the logical removal of the huge image) as everybody can understand that it was done in good faith. Instead, Al Lemos a) reverted an edition by another editor here; b) answered with mockery on the user nickname (I've just noticed he's done the same in the message previous to this); c) pretended to be the subject of sort of persecution with uncivil remarks (rough translation: ''More articles... and less small talk. That's my only policy. If you think that Gibraltarpedia is a "scandal", why don't you block me? That kind of attacks to people contributing to the building of a universal free encyclopedia is revolting. Some time ago I was a great editor in the Portuguese Wikipedia; but I do think the ones in there are pretty much the same as those in here. Fortunatelly, I'm a frequent contributor to the English, Galician and Catalan Wikipedias. If you don't like Brazilian people writing in the Spanish Wikipedia just let me know. I'll try in Occitan'')

To a) it's very clear, WP:BRD also applies there. b) and c) are easily handled with some manners. But you know that manners are taught at home and at the school. Wikipedia cannot teach that. Finally, respect to local regulations and, if you're not a member of the community, just understanding that and trying to assume good faith and be humble, as being a foreigner you don't know how the local community works and regulates (something that's not easy for people as Al Lemos, as he's proven). BTW, the local regulations in Spanish Wikipedia state that wikiprojects must be authorized first, and rule the way a wikiproject takes care of a given article (by a given template that does not include links to other projects). Also that articles are not signed. Instead of acknowledging that, Al Lemos started a horror story that only exist in their imagination and is mainly the direct effect of his lack of tack and understanding.

On the other hand, it's pretty obvious that little can be done to enhance the image of your project. You're being paid for promoting the image of a customer in Wikipedia and that's cannot be changed so that I don't think Gibraltarpedia, as such, will be easily accepted in the Spanish Wikipedia. Of course that noone will object to individual translations provided they don't promote Gibraltarpedia. There I cannot help. Sorry if I haven't been much helpful. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 08:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * True, manners are taught at home and at the school. Now, treachery and betrayal are in the nature of certain people; are entrenched in their DNA. Very clever «manoeuvre» (or not?), my dear Spaniard. It's a trap!, cried out Admiral Ackbar, but it was too late. Go ahead, win the competition (if you can) - and «promotes the Spanish language» writing articles about Gibraltarpedia in your native tongue. You can't do that? You was blocked for good by his amigos? What kind of horrible crime you committed?! I feel sorry for you :D - Al Lemos (talk) 23:54, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S.: oh, and don't translate gran contribuyente by great editor. It's uncivil. Great editors are the ones like you, who think that articles have owners. I was just a big contributor - more than 2.000 articles created only in Portuguese. But differently from you, I can edit in my home wiki anytime ;) - Al Lemos (talk) 23:54, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S.S.: a cookie if you guess who blocked «para siempre» our mellifluous friend at the Spanish Wiki (Gor Blimey! It's another dirty mockery!). - Al Lemos (talk) 00:10, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want to play here then please be nice?? Victuallers (talk) 00:26, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait until tomorrow (Sunday, 28 October). I will make an important statement at the project's talk page. Stay tuned. - Al Lemos (talk) 12:13, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

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A good move...
...this. Hopefully anything that happens from now on in Monmouthshire will take a similar non-pointscoring approach. :-) Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:51, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Images
Thank you! I've neglected my Calpe Hunt/Royal Calpe Hunt the last month, so I decided it was time to finish it this weekend. I resumed work on it late last night and added a couple of photos. This morning, I started working on text again and, about an hour ago, late this morning, I suddenly realized that you'd put all sorts of photos for the Hunt on Commons. Fantastic. I just added six more photos to the article. (And I'll probably add more after I finish the text today!) Anne (talk) 17:34, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks
for THIS... but my number is actually 82. I do enjoy bringing readers to new or expanded articles through interesting hooks.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:41, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
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Political development in modern Gibraltar
No I'm not in Gibraltar, I actually wrote that about a year ago but had some issues with other editors reverting my work. At one time there were a group of Spanish editors determined the Gibraltar article would reflect Franco's little red book. Sadly arbcom backed them up. I've been unable to publish a whole series of articles for nearly a year. You could call that my swansong for wikipedia, I've had it to be honest. Wee Curry Monster talk 12:17, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination of Runelight for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Runelight is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Runelight until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. SudoGhost 21:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)