User:Victuallers/LastArchive

hi
Hmm, sounds ambitious. I might just join you. And rew D alby 20:18, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

I had a fiddle, not sure it's quite right Mrjohncummings (talk) 21:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Translated to Spanish. We'll also need the banner itself translated. --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 10:47, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

catalan banner
here u have. I added my contact. Will start participating asap ;)

wikimeeting was very nice. Sorry I haven't written to you yet, I've been busy! I hope everythings ok, gibraltarpedia looks good. About BBC... wow!! :)

Cheers--Arnaugir (talk) 11:08, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Thanks for the translation
Thanks, thought I might as well give Gibraltarpedia a mention! Still need to acquire a pic of the entrance to Vanguard Cave on its own and hopefully of some archaeologists on site too... --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 20:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank YOU! You know that you have FULL SUPPORT of the Catalan Army in the Gibraltarpedia project. Gibraltar is a very special place for us. Do you know that there is a place called Catalan Bay? ;) Keep in touch and ask as many translations or help as you need. :)--Kippelboy (talk) 09:01, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Bulgarian - Is this what it should look like?
BulgarianLlanita (talk to me) 11:17, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I can add my contact details in the banner. I could in theory post it on a Bulgarian page but which one do you mean? The main Wikipedia page? Please link to it as I am a bit of a noob. You coming to Gib soon? Would be cool to meet again (I was present at one of the sessions in the John Mackintosh Hall) :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BulgarianLlanita (talk • contribs) 11:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

French
Now posted in Latin and French. And rew D alby 11:41, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hindi translation of GibraltarpediA project template

 * Roger, check it out and tell me when to post it at the local VP. I did modify the message a bit as word-to-word translation from English to Hindi is almost impossible. undefined — Bill william compton  Talk   14:47, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Posted hi:विकिपीडिया:चौपाल. undefined — Bill william compton  Talk   18:07, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Vanguard Cave DYK
Hello! Your submission of Vanguard Cave at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Hi, nice article, it was an interesting read! :) I did have an issue regarding the article's map and/or its captioning. As I indicated in my review, regardless of the map issue, I'm content to pass the nomination as it satisfies the DYK criteria, but if you could address that map issue, that would be even better.

—Lowellian (reply) 21:24, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

RE: Semi-retired?
Yup, drastically cut down on editing activities. I need to balance things given my involvement in offline activities as well, hence may not be able to help as much, though Iv signed up :-) Cheers,  Around The Globe  सत्यमेव जयते 05:06, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Roy Stanbrook
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltar Harbour
I've run into a problem that I've never had before. I started my draft of Gibraltar Harbour on July 27th and many of the small articles that I have written in order to have a comprehensive article then link to my main harbour article. Someone has gone ahead and written a tiny stub for the harbour even though it would have been obvious to anyone writing an article that I already had one in the can. What do I do? Anne (talk) 02:49, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltar national dress
Ooh, love that cape! Cartridge pleats on the hood, by the look of it. Probably ossified from the18th century - do you know how far back this stuff can be traced? Not much to say on the records without a source, but maybe I can find one. Nice stuff, anyway. - PKM (talk) 06:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Belarusian
--Чаховіч Уладзіслаў (talk) 09:37, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Ukrainian
Biathlon (talk) 19:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, we made contact via the FB page. I've started looking through the list of new articles to see if any style/spelling corrections are needed, and to thank the contributors. In the case of the "stub" articles, would it be appropriate to ask them to add more information? Ijbenady (talk) 11:16, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Finnish too
The text above has been posted in our Village pump, fi:Wikipedia:Kahvihuone_(sekalaista), and there is a discussion going on. I posted related questions to Wikipedia talk:GLAM/GibraltarpediA/Gibraltar Challenge/Points, was that the wrong place ? I also translated the "WikiProject GibraltarpediA" -template for talk pages. Look, team Finland is twice as large as in Derby; if we can count our points together we'll take the leading position; also the fi:Gibraltar-page is developing fast and will probably be GA before end of challenge. (S I wonder if there are anypoints available for such improvement; if so it it should be for all team. Cheers, --Tappinen (talk) 11:39, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
undefined — Bill william compton Talk   17:18, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Re:Front Page News
Thanks a lot! - Al Lemos (talk) 00:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for HMS Calpe (L71)
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Vanguard Cave
Orlady (talk) 00:01, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guyana/Assessment
I have been working hard on WikiProject Guyana, but the Guyana articles by quality and importance table never seems to get updated. I sent an email to the Admins for toolserver.org asking for updating, but no reply and no updating. User:Pigsonthewing suggested that I ask you about it. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:43, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Amastrianum
Hello Victuallers I changed the hook at Template:Did you know nominations/Amastrianum. I would be glad to hear your feedback. Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 12:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Great Siege Tunnels
Thanks for copyedit - more of that is welcome. If you want to nominate DYK now, go ahead - I think it is long enough now. I found still another source about the 2WW tunnels but I assume that is not in the scope of this article. --Tappinen (talk) 14:47, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Belarusan
BTW, Victuallers, NFC at this template links to a disambiguation page in English wiki. --Renessaince (talk) 22:47, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Evacuation of the Gibraltarian civilian population during World War II
Hello! Your submission of Evacuation of the Gibraltarian civilian population during World War II at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:16, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Amanda Carreras
Hello, username penkku at tennisforum.com said, that I can use his images of Amanda Carreras on Wikipedia. Btw I don't know how do I upload them to Commons. Do I have to use OTRS? I have never used it before. Thanks. --Stryn (talk) 19:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I asked if he can do account and upload the pictures. --Stryn (talk) 19:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Request for your assistance for The Wikipedia Library
Hi! You signed up to be a helper at the Highbeam project page. As The Wikipedia Library expands, I am seeking some assistants who can collaborate on project administration by spending a few hours now and then working on a variety of tasks.

Right now I am looking for help on the Questia round 1 signups, reviewing editors' applications to check for edit count (1000), account history (1 year), and current blocks. Note, there is no subjective judgment required, just a factual criteria-check. Here's what you can do:
 * 1) Sign up for a section of 50 applications at this page
 * 2) The first check involves using Popups (enabled in Special:Preferences -> click "Gadgets", check the box to enable Popups, then click save).
 * 3) By hovering over a username on the applications list, Popups will show the edit count, age of account, and whether the editor is blocked on English Wikipedia
 * 4) If an editor is blocked, list their name at this page
 * 5) If an editor does not meet the 1-year/1000 editor check using Popups, open their user talk page in a new tab in your browser.
 * 6) Then, you then need to check if the editor meets the criteria on another Wikipedia language project.
 * 7) To check global contributions use the Global Contributions surveyor] on toolserver.
 * 8) Toolserver is a bit slow so I find it helpful to have 3 tabs running simultaneously.
 * 9) Scroll down to the bottom of the toolserver results to see if 1000 edits or 1-year age of accounted are met at another project.  You can also see if the editor is blocked on another project.
 * 10) If neither Popups nor the Global Contribution Surveyor met the criteria, then list their name at [less than 1000 edits, or less than 1 year old account|this page]
 * 11) Mark your section ✅ at this page

Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks so much! -- User:Ocaasi 19:50, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Evacuation of the Gibraltarian civilian population during World War II
Yngvadottir (talk) 08:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Georgina Cassar
Yngvadottir (talk) 08:03, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltarpedia and nl.wiki
Hi. I'm optimizing Gibraltarpedia templates on some WPs to categorize article created (e.g. on ar.wiki, on zh.wiki) and to connect to WikiAfrica/Share Your Knowlegde project. Thanks --M.casanova (talk) 14:09, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a problem with the template on nl.wiki (cancelled here). Any suggestion to resolve this problem?
 * Is there a list of all WP versions involved? This page seems to be outdated.

DYK for Diego de Salinas
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Royal Gilbraltar Yacht Club and other DYK nominations
Given that you are so close to the subject, even noting that it is part of your project, do you think it is appropriate for you to be reviewing these nominations? Your conflict of interest may blind you to errors, as it did in the nomination linked above. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 14:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC) - Not sure Victuallers (talk) 07:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Similarly, I am 99.9% sure that this is against DYK rules. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 23:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC) My error Victuallers (talk) 07:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: August 2012
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Gibraltarpedia and plant articles
Hey Victuallers. So I'm unclear on this, does it have to have a bluelink to Gibraltar? The List of plants in the Gibraltar Botanic Gardens contain plants that are not actually native to Gibraltar, but are nonetheless included in the Gibraltar Botanic Gardens. As such, there would be no way to mention Gibraltar naturally in the article text. Does this mean I should only create articles for plants native to Gibraltar in order for the article to qualify? -- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  06:39, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy with a gib botanic gardens link... does that solve the problem? Oh and welcme aboard. We plan to launch a sub competition for flora and fauna - do you think there would be a wider appeal. Ding flowers fulfils our "bridge to africa" as many will be on both sides of the water Victuallers (talk) 07:16, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly, no it doesn't solve the problem. As I understand the primary aim of filling in the list is to add QR codes to the Gibraltar Botanic Gardens collection, but a large majority of those plants in the list are present in virtually every major botanical garden worldwide (Royal Botanic Gardens Kew, Missouri Botanical Garden, Royal Botanic Gardens Sydney, etc.). It'd be WP:UNDUE to mention the Gibraltar Botanic Gardens (or any botanic garden at all). Anyway, I don't know how appealing a subcompetition would be, as there are comparatively few editors focusing on flora and fauna on Wikipedia, but sure, it sounds like a good way to fill in missing plant and animal articles. (Oh and I'm in this purely for the spirit, ;) rather than the prizes)-- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  07:56, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * OK I understand your position and its a reasonable one - we'll have a think about it. I think there are solutions Victuallers (talk) 08:49, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Whata I have done in fi-wiki is to expand the Gibraltapedia-template at talk page of plant articles like this fi:Keskustelu:Mesiherttalehti so thet the talk page (not the plant article itself) has a link to Gibraltar Botanical garden. Then the talk page of botanical garden has a few sentences about the coming QRpedia campaign. --Tappinen (talk) 18:51, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

GibraltarpediA project and DYK
FYI Victuallers, a discussion that is related to you is ongoing here. Perhaps you'd like to take a look. Cheers. Yazan (talk) 19:06, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

GibraltarpediA in Esperanto
--88.170.224.51 (talk) 13:48, 17 September 2012 (UTC) (Dominik)

Gibraltarpedia article errors
Roger, regarding the errors that you say are in the Gibraltarpedia article, could you drop me an email to explain what they are? I'd like to have a crack at fixing them. Prioryman (talk) 17:25, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Contract
Roger, on this page you say that you signed a contract with the Government of Gibraltar. Are we allowed to know what the contract was for, i.e. what was to be delivered? Thanks Hestiaea (talk) 21:13, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. And I appreciate you asking. The main thrust of the contract is the creation of QRpedia plaques to go around Gibraltar and for training sessions. Do ask if you want more information. The idea that we are developing a contract across not just national but continental borders is very cool. Victuallers (talk) 22:06, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Shucks, so you can't get me in somewhere in a half-built time-share in Marbella (last two weeks in May) after all, then. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the humour Martin, its appreciated. We are however hoping to offer subsidies to those who might want to visit. We aere still working out the details but it is a distinct possibility. You will see that you can get a free trip to Gibraltar if you win the Gibraltar Prize (oops, I mean - see here) Victuallers (talk) 22:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Never in all my sordid and sardonic dealings with the-strange-animal-that-is-the-bingo-card-that-anyone-can-edit, have I ever felt that truth is so much stranger that fiction. But hang on... now, where did I put that oversized raffle-ticket stub !!?? But I don't mean to sound carping and scornful. I would never wish to question your integrity in business dealings, and I wish you every success. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Gibpediavote
Hi there Victuallers! I just noticed Gibpediavote, and despite the template text I couldn't for the life of me figure out what it was for. Could you give me any more details about the program that uses this text? We may well be able to find a more efficient way of doing things than the way they are set up now. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 14:37, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Portuguese
Unfortunately (for me), I prohibited myself from editing in the Portuguese Wikipedia - except for one day out of the year. This day is far away... - Al Lemos (talk) 23:39, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

...and Galician
The Galicians don't seem to care much about international challenges, but I'm doing my part... - Al Lemos (talk) 23:51, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Username
As you may know, your username is being discussed over on Jimbo's talk page. I consider it a blatant violation of WP:ORGNAME, as it gives the impression you are editing on behalf of Victuallers Ltd. and, as far as policy is concerned, the fact that you chose to employ your username as the name of your company is entirely immaterial. I'd like to invite you to file a request to have your username changed, because, rebus sic stantibus, it does not comply with our username policy. I'm sorry. Salvio Let's talk about it! 13:44, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Re:Hey Gallacian
Hi Vic! You are doing a great job, and I would like to suggest that you could get more official photos of the MPs from Gibraltar. After all, all they are or were ministers at a time or another... - Al Lemos (talk) 23:17, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Great Siege Tunnels
Hello! Your submission of Great Siege Tunnels at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:13, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Controversy section
Hi. I thought you should know that, following discussion on the talk page, I put together a "controversy" section on the Gibraltarpedia page. I have long respected your work and don't know whether the allegations are valid or not, but now that the story has spread widely in the mainstream media, a discussion of the controversy was needed. Since you are the subject of those allegations, I thought you should be aware so that you can comment. Cbl62 (talk) 15:37, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not even going to look at that page. I may see something I don't like and I wouldn't be able to change it. I do hope you have made a fair section and not just listed speculations - that would be very poor. Victuallers (talk) 16:52, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have tried to identify the major media outlets covering the controversy. So far, the coverage has been quite negative and is picking up momentum in sources across the world.  I did include a statement from you that was on the Wikimedia UK page.  Absent a press statement by you or the government of Gibraltar, the coverage will likely continue to be quite negative.  You may want to consider making a statement.  Alternately, if you can identify sources that would provide better balance, many editors (myself included) would be happy to consider adding them.  Cbl62 (talk) 18:17, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi
I'll take up your offer. Although links to things not happening are tricky to find.
 * 1) What exactly am I being accused of? Paid Editting? I have not been paid to edit an article for money or create a slant in an article. I have been on Wikipedia for 5 years. I know what happens to MPs who peacock their own pages or institutions who pay someone else to do it.
 * 2) Creating a competition where people create articles. They can get two extra points for getting a DYK. This is because this is a measure of quality. similar points are offered by the wiki-cup and wiki loves monuments. Has anyone noticed that lots of the articles that are allowed in the contest are not allowed on the English DYK ..... because they are not in English. Why would encourage edits in Gallacian if the object was publicity?

'''There is a comment from the Government of Gibraltar in the Gib Chronicle tomorrow morning which includes a supportive statement from Wikimedia UK Victuallers (talk) 18:55, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

We can confirm that Roger Bamkin, an ex-Director of Wikimedia UK, is one of two individuals who continue to provide advice on the production of the QR codes and training for volunteer contributors to Gibraltar's Wikipedia site. These two individuals were also involved in Monmouth's Wikipedia project. The final agreement with them is being finalised and does not include them being paid to write or edit articles on Wikipedia. A letter of intent between all parties was signed in June. Doug Taylor, Vice-Chair of Wikimedia UK said "WMUK have been keen to be involved with this project ever since it was announced at Wikimania. The agreement that the Gibraltar Government has with the Wikimedia Foundation ensures that there is a clear legal basis for this collaboration. Roger Bamkin and John Cummings remain as the Wikimedia UK members who managed to get the accolade of "World's coolest project" for their last project in Wales. I wish them similar success as they aim to "bridge Europe and Africa". Sorry that it has taken most of the day to provide the above. Regards, Stuart SI GREEN Press Office HM Government of Gibraltar No 6 Convent Place Gibraltar'''
 * Once the statement is picked up in a reliable media source (or published on the Gibraltar web site), this statement should be referenced in the controversy section. Cbl62 (talk) 19:22, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thats OK, I won't be doing that Victuallers (talk) 19:34, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

COI
The main way to avoid COI is to extend the scope of the articles that are included as COI. I have not pushed the Gibraltar article, or the Monmouth article. In fact most of wikitown projects' activity is not on the English Wikipedia. I do not intend to make any main space edits on the English Wikipedia concerning articles about Gibraltar or things based in Gibraltar. I'm not paid to do this as you can see above. I'm not paid to edit Wikipedia and I have never been. No one is trying to create a positive spin for Gibraltar. We are trying to create the second wiki-town, we are trying to extend the success of Wikipedia in European languages and in Europe. Victuallers (talk) 07:42, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a reasonable first step, but why limit this to English language Wikipedia? The appearance of impropriety is the same regardless of which language you contribute in. Cbl62 (talk) 14:30, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, it seems that the same restriction should also apply to others who have directly or indirectly received money from Gibraltar for training, advice, consulting, or otherwise. Have other Gibraltarpedia editors received any money? Cbl62 (talk) 14:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I read your reply below. I'm still not sure why you would want to make main space edits about Gibraltar in other languages.  If the goal is simply to assist others, that could be done easily by commenting on the talk page of the user needing assistance.  Commenting in main space of a Gibraltar article (regardless of language) would continue to create an appearance of COI.  Also, I'm not sure you answered my question about whether other Gibraltarpedia editors have directly or indirectly received money from the Government of Gibraltar.  For example, what about project coordinator Tyson Lee Holmes?  And others?  If these persons have received money directly or indirectly from the government or Tourist Board, it seems to me that should be operating under the same restriction you proposed for yourself.  What do you think? Cbl62 (talk) 01:23, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Review of hooks loaded to main page

 * Hi Cbl62, Ive been thinking .... I know it wasnt me who loaded these gibraltarpedia articles to the main page. Other people may not realise that its a many step process involving at least three different people with one of them being an admin. I'm going to look back and see who it was who moved the gibpedia articles to prep (which I think is the key move). Care to join me? Oh don't mean to avoid your question. The contract is with me and John Cummings. I exclude other language wikipedia because they have there own rules. I'm also a monoglot so managing to assist someone in another language is a victory in itself. I think they would just be glad of the help. You may notice that there is no fuss about the Gibraltarpedia DYKs on the Hindi Wikipedia - the focus is entirely anglocentric - which our project isnt! Victuallers (talk) 15:49, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) First one in September was Gibraltar Cruise Terminal written by Anne approved by Viotet Riga and promoted by Cisco - is this the POV where we tell visitors about the explosion near the cruise termina?
 * 2) HMS Calpe was written be me, approved by SGCM and promoted by Crisco. If the object is PR then why choose HMS Calpe? Why not mention Gibraltar in the hook? Why not choose HMS Gibraltar Prize which hadnt been written yet?
 * 3) Vanguard Cave written by me and approved by Lowellian and promoted by Crisco - This cave is not open to the public. The Gibraltarpedia pic was not my idea but was the only free picture of the cave. (Both pictures are from the same photo). I created the simpler photo to avoid putting the Gibraltarpedia pic on the front page.
 * 4) Profield Contractors written by Anne. POV? includes that there was a terrorist at the company. Approved by SChmidt and promoted by Crisco
 * 5) Evacuation of the Gibraltarian civilian population during World War II nominally by Ecemnal but fixed by me and GibMetal77 - approved by BrownHairedGirl and promoted by Allen3 (Who answered my request to have it loaded to the main page as my COI prevented me acting)
 * 6) Georgina Cassar - written by Gibmetal77 nominited by me and loaded by Allen3
 * 7) That's interesting Royal Navel Hospital, Gibraltar was written by Anne and promoted by Panyd on 8th Sept
 * 8) Diego de Salinas written by Al Lemos and approved by Anne and promoted by Panyd on 8th Sept - Two loaded on the same day.
 * 9) Jews' Gate Cemetery written by Anne, approved by Maile66 and promoted by Panyd
 * 10) Next three are all by Anne and not approved or promoted by me

AGF comment

 * One can only AGF for so long Victuallers. Doesn't it strike you as odd, for example, that at least 7 or 8 hooks were reviewed by the same editors involved in that very project? and that several of these reviews were erroneous (not counting your mistake in reviewing a hook you nominated) and had to be called upon by other reviewers on DYK?
 * House of glass and all that! Yazan (talk) 16:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You have obviously looked at more of these hooks than me to work out the pattern. Actually I'd expect that the first review is done by someone who knows something about the subject. Members of the same project frequently approve fellow project members hooks. We even have hooks (usually Maths) where we need to find a relevant expert to read the DYK article. House of Glass? I intend to be transparent! Moving hooks however to the main page is a clear COI problem. Victuallers (talk) 16:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I did look at many of them, yes. I don't see a pattern (in a sinister way), but I do see a group of editors who cooperate a lot, and perhaps like to help each other with a quick review. That is a COI problem. Many of them are fresh editors, so it can be understandable, but you're a very experienced editor and you know that reviewing the works of people you regularly cooperate with (especially at such a sensitive distance from the main page) is discouraged, at best. The articles on Gibraltar (by their nature) have nothing exceptionally complex about them that they would need an expert in the field. At any rate, I just wanted to bring that to your attention since you are reviewing the articles anyway. Yazan (talk) 16:47, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Yazan. I would like to feel good about the fact that we have new editors here. Actually I think Al Lemos has a lot of experience on the Catalan Wikipedia. Anne is a newish editor and look at the quality of her articles! I shall be surprised if this new idea to review the articles finds any real POV or COI. Will that restore some of your AGF? Victuallers (talk) 16:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * There are two different issues at hand right now: a) the local one at DYK which I think can be easily resolved through increased scrutiny on those articles relating to Gibraltar. In this one, yes I do think that a transparent review (one that is less POINTY --with regards to Panyd for example, whose concerns weren't out of thin air) would go a long way in restoring the AGF to many people including myself, and more importantly restore AGF in the volunteer editors who find themselves stranded in a shitstorm. b) The other, more serious and larger issue, is the sense (or appearance, if you will) of impropriety that has surrounded the officialdom side of this affair (WMUK, yourself and Gov of Gibraltar). This is something that is for the community at large to discuss and scrutinize further. Yazan (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Yazan, I have removed some of the pointyness. Actually I was pleased to see that you noticed that were moving fairly inexperienced editors to DYK. Training is what I'm being paid for - albeit in Gib. The appearance was always an issue so I had offered to resign from the board twice. It has now been accepted but it should have been done earlier (20 20 hindsight). What I wanted to show above was that I was not promoting Gibpedia articles or moving them from prep to the main queue. These are IMO the key steps. This loading of DYKs has unfortunately been the subject of some media stories. Just because they are numerous doesnt mean its one person doing it. (Actually there are a lot more suspicious numbers of Gibralarpedia articles appearing on the Catalan Wikipedia - we have agreed this with them).


 * I was pleased to find that there were some important and experienced editors involved like BrownHairedGirl, Allen3 and others. There is no doubt that the appearance could be handled better - (which just goes to prove I am not the PR expert that some allege). Hearing you reconsider gives me an expectation of a fair hearing. It does concern me that some are saying "Look! Ive discovered a COI!" forgetting to mention that they found the information on a public wiki where I had declared it. This project was based on Monmouthpedia, everyone at Wikimania was given a guide as to how a wiki town project worked, it was said that you needed external funding. We then show a video that reveals that the Minister of Tourism is involved. The Gibraltar government sign a deal to use the Wikipedia logo. Now, months later I get the impression that people are saying "we weren't told" Victuallers (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Mr. Bamkin - Were you training people to focus on "did you know?" Were you telling them it was a good thing? If so, why? Were you suggesting that the point of writing a new article was getting on "did you know?" Etc...Bali ultimate (talk) 17:52, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The guy I remember training last week was a Slovak who had moved to Gibraltar to learn Spanish. Very bright guy with good IT skills. We worked together for maybe 45 minutes on his PC. At the end of that time we had a one line referenced, iboxed and imaged article is Slovak on Gibraltar Airport. He might be able to improve it unsupervised but I believe he will need more support to go solo. You understand I believe how tricky it is to get an article through DYK. Its also tricky to train people in languages that are not English which can be the case. There was 1 active Wikipedian in Gibraltar and he WAS the Gibraltar project. I don't know anyone who can train a newbie to write DYK articles by themselves. So the answer is not "No" but "It would only confuse them". We are trying to create more wikipedians and a better coverage of Gibraltar, Southern Spain, Ceuta and Northern Morocco. Hope that helps. Please call me Roger Victuallers (talk) 11:34, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to interject as factual context for the question that it's long been practice in the Wikipedia Education Program to encourage students to submit to DYK the articles they have been creating or expanding in their course. Although there are differences of opinion about how central this should be to a course, the reasons for focus on DYK should be obvious: submitting to any kind of review process is good, and DYK is the most accessible & relevant review for a new user working on a new article. A lot of the motivation for students to write well comes from the fact that on Wikipedia it will be read not just by their tutor but by a large public audience, and DYK is a way to bring this about. So I hope that when Roger trains people in improving articles, he tells them that DYK is a good thing: this would be in line with the Wikipedia training that's given in many universities. Given that the Gilbraltarpedia project is being continuously documented on the public web, I expect it's easy to confirm whether the point of the project is to create DYKs or' to make reliable, comprehensive information about the topic area freely available to the world through Wikipedia, with DYK as a step in that process. MartinPoulter (talk) 17:47, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that the DYK is a useful check of a competent article. If you can write a successful DYK then you are no longer a trainee. DYK could be seen as a certifcate. When you complete a DYK then you are a competent Wikipedian. Victuallers (talk) 19:28, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Bristol Hotel
Hi, can somebody in Gibraltar please photograph Bristol Hotel, Gibraltar in daylight and also try to enter its lobby and restaurant or whatever and take some photos. Badly needs photographs.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I'll contact John or Tyson. The Bristol Hotel is just be the museum so it should be easy. Its not a very showy building from the outside Victuallers (talk) 10:52, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Flat Bastion Road also. You should organize a geograph type project within Gibraltarpedia for images. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  08:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

A possible DYK
Hey Vic! What do you think about Anthony Dudley for DYK? - Al Lemos (talk) 23:12, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) VERY Nice to hear from you Al, at the moment is only 700 characters as the rules don't include the text that has bullet points. There is a fuss on the English wikipedia about Gibraltar DYKs. The reason is that I'm being paid to organise the QRpedia codes and training. It might be wise to avoid it - but its your call. Victuallers (talk) 09:29, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh... someday we'll try it again ;) - Al Lemos (talk) 14:20, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh and we'll give you the missing 2 points!!

Birth of GibraltarpediA

 * Firstly see MonmouthpediA and read about the "coolest project". I had to stand down as Chair of Wikimedia UK to work for money on this project. It was worth it.


 * 12th May 2012 - re-elected as director of WMUK where my statement makes it clear that I am being paid "for Monmouth Museum.... well a whole town". I also talk about the continuing COI with QRpedia and the difficulty of handling this in reply to questions. Despite this public declaration I am elected.
 * 30th? May - Phone call from Gibraltar and then email on 31st May "me and colleague" invited. (John Cummings and I had lots of offers from New York down).
 * 3rd July - I sent note saying "maybe" after consulting John Cummings
 * 19th - 22nd July in Gibraltar - sign deal as "John Cummings and Roger Bamkin" on 22nd as they wanted "the guys who did MonmouthpediA" - Gibraltar Government were aware that we were not signing on behalf of WMUK. No mention of editing - (its silly to buy advocacy). The work is to install QRpedia and support a GibraltarpediA project. This was a clone/improvement of Monmouthpedia.
 * 30 June Wikimedia UK Board meeting-debriefed the contract in camera (and who was involved). Offered resignation for 2nd time.
 * 11th July - Gov. of Gib and WMF sign MOU. WMUK and me/John are not involved or consulted.(I was surprised by this)
 * Wikimania starts and every delegate is given a guide which explains the wiki town project (including the need for money, logo permission and QRpedia). This document was written by me, John Cummings, WMUK staff and volunteers. A video (that we shot and directed and paid for) makes it clear that John and I are involved in reply to an invitation from the Minister of Tourism - The video does NOT identify me as a WMUK director. WMUK are said to be "supportive" as agreed (ie WMUK are not at that time committed and their logo is not used). The purpose is to build a bridge to Africa.
 * 12th July - announcement in Washington and Gibraltar in Spanish, Arabic and English. (I wasn't there as my daughter was getting married on the 14th in the UK.)
 * 21st July update COI on public Wiki for any people who had missed the Wikimania announcement - (note no one reacted - it was public info) (it had already been declared on the confidential board wiki.)
 * Since then the project has taken off on Facebook and Twitter and on Wiki. Hundreds of articles written. A minority of the articles are in English. Six public training sessions in Gibraltar. Met many leading gibraltar groups & three ministers. Talking about free wi-fi and we have a mention on the BBC web site. By September we had agreed support from Catalan Wikipedia, Morocco volunteers, Wiki Africa and an MOU had been drafted with WMUK. Victuallers (talk) 20:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Roger, you have been the focus of this because of your position with WMUK and the inevitable confusion between your roles as consultant, WMUK Trustee, and Wikipedia editor. I don't think I have seen anyone express any concerns about John Cummings here on Wikipedia. I believe the fact that you tried to resign from the board on three separate occasions shows that you recognized that there was a conflict of interest. It is a shame that the board did not accept your resignation when you first offered it, as it would have saved you from the recent press reports. One thing that troubles me is that you stood down as Chair when you became a paid consultant to Monmouth City Council but remained a Trustee - how is it possible for one to have a conflict of interest that prevents one from being Chair of a charity but allows one to continue being a Trustee? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:06, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Roger, that isn't a rhetorical question - I really do not understand how one can have a conflict of interest that prevents one from being Chair but allows one to be a Trustee. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 11:44, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * A Chair can have executive powers and the ability to decide what is discussed and what is not. The chair should be ensuring that COI concerns are managed. This makes it clear I think that there is an important difference in responsibility. I don't believe Ting Chen has an imterest in Wikipedia related technologies - this would make the Chair's job much easier to manage. Victuallers (talk) 14:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Village Pump proposal for a means of pre-approving collaborations
See WP:VPR. Your comments are welcome. Please note that I have said, and believe, that I am sure you thought you were doing a good thing for Wikipedia with this project, but enough problems are emerging to make it desirable to have some means of advance discussion of any further projects of this kind before they are committed. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Email
Dear Roger, I've emailed you on a Signpost matter, using your Commons email facility. Thanks. Tony  (talk)  13:49, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltar-related deletion discussions
As you're a member of WikiProject GibraltarpediA, I thought you might wish to know that there are a number of deletion requests currently ongoing relating to articles and assets involving Gibraltar. They are:


 * Articles for deletion/Flat Bastion Road
 * Articles for deletion/Bristol Hotel, Gibraltar
 * Templates for discussion/Log/2012 September 25

If you have any views on these deletion requests, please feel free to comment on the relevant pages. Prioryman (talk) 22:31, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi and thanks
Hi, I'm now (eventually) coming back to Wikipedia after starting a new job. Can I say thank you for all your help while I've been editing, especially when I was having personal issues. Now I have a little more income, I'll be joining WMUK, I do hope to see you there - you have been a great influence on the English Wikipedia for me, thank you! With all that's been going on, keep up your work. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 18:11, 26 September 2012 (UTC)