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MMR and autism--genetics argument

 * I have no desire to violate WP:CIVIL, so I'm going to be as polite as I possibly can when I say that the only person with his or her head in the sand is you. Believe whatever nonsense you want, but making idiotic arguments about the medical profession, in addition to being highly inappropriate, is no way to defend an obviously unnecessary category. This level of categorization is completely unnecessary. In the context of encyclopedic content and categorization, whether or not one's child is autistic is completely irrelevant; it's already mentioned in the related articles. Is autism serious? Absolutely. Is autism a genetic disorder? Absolutely. Do doctors cause autism through vaccination? Only a complete and utter moron would subscribe to such an obviously asinine theory. Heads in the sand you say? I'd have to agree. Soltak | Talk 17:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * "At this point, it is believed that about 10% of cases of autism can be accounted for genetically."--B.J. Freeman, Ph.D. Professor of Medical Psychology, Dept. of Psychiatry and Biobehavioral Sciences' UCLA School of Medicine. Even the medical boys admit the increase can't be down to genetics, as they stated at one of their meetings reviewed by Dr Blaylock MD--"Several of the participants tried to imply that autism was a genetic disorder and therefore could have nothing to do with vaccines. Dr. Weil put that to rest with this comment, "We don't see that kind of genetic change in 30 years." In other words, how can we suddenly see a 300% increase in a genetically related disorder over such a short period?"  That meeting was  the "Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information." This conference, held on June 7-8, 2000 at Simpsonwood Retreat Center, Norcross, Georgia, assembled 51 scientists and physicians of which five represented vaccine manufacturers. These included Smith Kline Beecham, Merck, Wyeth, North American Vaccine and Aventis Pasteur . Also Michael J. Goldberg, M.D., F.A.A.P. explained how it was impossible to have an epidemic based solely on genetics. . So that is your genetic theory out of the window, from your own side.  And I'll take the opinion of autism expert Dr Rimland Ph.D. when he says vaccination causes autism (not to mention thousands of parents and other doctors), if that is what you call a moron, then maybe we need to insert another definition in Wiki, or add it to the ad hominem terminology alongside 'quack' 'crank' etc. john 22:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

medical monopoly

 * Hey, John? Have you bothered reading these articles you use to support your arguments? Because, you see, they don't actually do that. The Allopathic Medicine article clearly and repeatedly states it was a term founded by homeopaths and NOT used by practitioners of conventional medicine. The article basically says it IS a term that is fringe and not generally used. (ps: whoops, forgot to sign.) Michael Ralston 14:35, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, but who wrote that article? Allopaths, or medical people who write most of the medicine articles here. I know allopaths don't like the term probably as it was coined by a homeopath who said they only treat symptoms.  I know conventional/orthodox, what I call allopath MDs don't use the term, or like it, and I figure the other main reason is because they don't want to be put on a level playing field with other type of doctors, or MDs.  They want to believe, and everyone else to believe, their medicine is top dog due to science not politics. If they can avoid being labelled then it keeps the public in the dark, as labelling reveals certain, hidden in this case, truths. john 15:42, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay ... and this quiet conspiracy includes HOW MANY people? Michael Ralston 00:50, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Resorting to conspiracy talk is a retreat into ad hominem, by the way. We have a medical monopoly, but not many medical people know that in my experience, as who would want to know that if they were a medico, the medical Pandora's box is the box of all boxes . Bit like the army, at the top some (eg Butler ) know wars are fought for oil and gold , but all the foot soldiers haven't a clue, although this last war is breaking down the mind control on that. john 09:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there anything that isn't a conspiracy or a hoax? How would you know that anti-vaccinationists aren't involved in a hoax as well?  Especially when they could be engaging in mind control?  Yes I agree with John that allopathic medicine has been granted a monopoly by the government over health care, at least in terms of medications and devices, reimbursement by insurance companies, etc., but at least this recognizes that allopathic medicine uses the most rigorous scientific methodology.  Andrew73 12:32, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Follow the money is the test that usually applies. I wish I could make some money out of it. Your 'scientific methodology' isn't true when you look into it, otherwise we would be using Vitamin C to cure infections, heart disease etc, and prevent cot-death, as Linus Pauling said, most discovered 50 years ago. I document the whole sorry story  . john 13:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)