User:Who/Discussion log/July 2005

Thanks Canderson
Thanks for being the first user to congratulate me. I appreciate it! --Canderson7 17:14, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

User:Steven
with User:StevenL
 * Hi, I am assuming this was your old userpage? I just want to be sure its not vandalism. Thanks.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  03:10, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, that last edit pretty much answers that question :) You could use #REDIRECT User:Steven instead.  Also you could have actually moved it to your new username, but you already created that page.  Cheers.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  03:13, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes, sir; I have a new user page for several reasons. So it ain't vandalism. Thanks for your inquiry as I continue to spread wikilove! --StevenL 03:14, 31 July 2005 (UTC) P.S.  Thanks for serving our country and have fun.

Categories for deletion
with PatGallacher
 * Hi, I see you still haven't added the category, so I added it for you. Just in case you didn't understand Samuel Wantman response, here is a detailed how to.  First you find todays date (UTC time) on the Cfd page, click the edit link to the right of that section, much like editing a section of any other article.  For JUL 30 the section is here.  To add a new category, you can just follow the format that others are using. For this particular entry, it would look like this:

===July 30=== ====Category:Women rulers==== Your reasons for nomination; deletion, merge, renaming. ~

You add new entries just below the current date, above all the other entries. I hope that helps in the future. Feel free to ask if you have any further questions. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 11:09, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Test templates
with Viriditas
 * Hi, please do not take this the wrong way, I understand the reason why you reverted the changes, but every other user at least made an attempt to discuss it on one of the talk pages involved. If you used the templates by themselves w/o the header you added, ie test2, you would not have formatting issues. Many of the users use them in that manner, and you can even check the "what links here" to see how many of them are jumbled together because they don't have headers.  I only ask that you at least take the time to look and/or comment on the discussion pages, to see if anyone gave any reasoning for the changes or proposed changes.  I don't mean to seem rude, and I hope you didn't take it that way. I was just trying to improve the usage of the templates for the entire community.  Thanks for your time.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  06:53, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I have looked at the discussion pages and there doesn't seem to be a consensus or support for headings. I understand that you are trying to improve the template, but there are a number of factors to take into account; automating subject lines might not be the best solution. You could still implement the same idea in a number of other ways, including the use of bold text, or an image. Out of curiousity, why aren't you using second-level subject headings like Template:Welcome2 and Template:edit summary? --Viriditas | Talk 07:18, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the reply. Yea, on this particular occasion I decided to do a live demo, rather than wait a week. I spoke with everyone who either liked them or disliked them and made improvements.  When I seen no further consensus to keep or change, I left them be.  I didn't think of the secondary sub-headings until I did the hr, and told everyone I wasn't going to change them any further.  Thanks for the suggestion though.  I figured if anyone wanted to improve on what I started they would either add it (some did) or mention it on the talk page.  Most everyone responded in one way or another. I just wanted to at least talk with you directly since you didn't leave a message before or after the change.  I have learned from recent experience that the edit summaries aren't the best communication.  I still hope I wasn't too offensive with my wording.  For now, I think I'll just leave it be, until I have a chance to setup a non-live proposal.  Thanks again for your understanding and the reply.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  07:20, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Oops, I misunderstood what you meant by second level, thanks for the clarification. Acutally I did, and that was a bad mistake :) Two users immediately and accidentally edited the template instead of the user talk page they were using it on, because they clicked the header edit link. So I switched to  the hard line.  I was considering the third level === this ===, but didn't get that far.  Thanks again.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  07:24, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

test3
with Mike
 * Hi, thanks for trying to improve the template. However ~ saves as your signature and datestamp, and would put your name and date on the pages that the template was used. I rv'd your addition.  Thanks.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  04:58, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I must have accidentally changed the template! Thanks for catching that. I had some recollection that it looked like I changed the template instead of adding my signature after the use of it on a vandal user talk page, but then forgot about it. Mike 01:23, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, yea, it's actually me that should appologize to you. I had just added the sub-header to seperate the different usages, and when you clicked on edit, it took you to the template.  As such, I removed the header and replaced it with a hard line.  Sorry for the misunderstanding. Thanks.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  07:09, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

test warning templates
with Joyous
 * I was actually sad to see that the template titles weren't something like "polite warning," "slightly less polite warning," "gettin' cranky warning," and "Red-hot irate warning." But I don't think that would pass muster with most Wikipedians. Joyous  (talk) 22:43, July 29, 2005 (UTC)


 * Yea, I tried, I figured Polite warning and Discontinue warning were alright, but I guess not. I gave it my best efforts. No harm done. Thanks for your note.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  04:46, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Blated Congrats
with Essjay Congrats on hitting 10,000. Have a glass of champagne! -- Essjay ·  Talk 21:36, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks barnstar
with Kbdank71 for helping tirelessly with CfD cleanup. We'd be backlogged for sure if you weren't on top of things. --Kbdank71 19:39, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. Wish I could do more.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  19:41, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the barnstar. I also feel bad about your page again, you should put a banner up top "Kdbank71's Public Cfd forum" :) So I thought I would give you a relaxing view of the beach. Enjoy.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  21:32, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

User:Scottfisher
with 67.188.198.54
 * Hi, I assume that you are User:Scottfisher, since you are editing the userpage. You are not required to login, but its encouraged to do so, this way we know that someone is not vandalizing your userpage. Also, your edits will be attributed to your username.  Please consider logging in.  Thanks for your understanding.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  04:01, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks who [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:67.188.198.54 I'm a newbie...Still learning...]

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Who"

Disruptions
with 216.180.114.204
 * Many people are disrupting my efforts. Please explain this. 216.180.114.204 07:02, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I looked at your rv edits by contributions, and it seems you haven't done much to be disrupted. I simply removed your comment, which looked like a test or vandalism from User:Rowan Moore's userpage. If you wish to talk to them, you should use the discussion page. As far as your other edits, here are some helpful links that will help you with the style and layout of Wikipedia. You may wish to review the welcome page, tutorial, and stylebook, as well as the avoiding common mistakes and Wikipedia is not pages.

Here are some helpful links:
 * Merge, for information about merging, renaming and moving pages.
 * Wikipedia directory is also quite useful.
 * Meet other new users You may want to add yourself to the Wikipedia new user log.

Currently, you are editing anonymously. You can continue to do so. You are not required to log in to Wikipedia to read and write articles, but not doing so will result in a username being shown instead of your IP address (yours is ). There are many benefits for logging in to Wikipedia.

Thank you. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 08:04, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Test
with Golbez
 * Perhaps it would just be best to include (first warning) in the template. But yeah, using the header will only cause trouble. Good idea though. --Golbez 05:48, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my User page
with Tobycat Just wanted to thank you for reverting the vandalism to my user page. That was very thoughtful. It's happened twice now and both times another wikipedian has found it and fixed it before I even saw it. That really makes me feel good about this community and what we are trying to accomplish here together. It's proof that this whole thing works! Thanks again. Tobycat 05:24, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Hello.
with 216.180.114.204
 * Hello. I was attempting to communicate with Rowan Moore. You have removed my communication. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.180.114.204 (talk • contribs) 05:05, 29 July 2005

Hi, discussion goes on the talk page, if you wish to communicate with them do it here. User talk:Rowan Moore. Thanks. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 05:09, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, Who. 216.180.114.204 05:10, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

200.30.79.126
with Sasquatch&#08242;
 * Thanks for the Rv. ;-)  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  04:14, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

No problem! And I temp banned the user... grrr, darn trolls. Sasquatch&#08242;&#08596;T&#08596;C 04:15, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Cfd
with User:12.73.195.132
 * Hi, we are trying to decide the cinema vs. film dispute as a whole. It is going to be part of the Category titles discussion being held. The problem is that, after this consensus, you took it upon yourself to remove the articles and have the cat speedy deleted.  This was against the community consensus.  We have tried to explain this to you on the cfd's, and yet you still remove cfd tags, and place d tags on the categories you disagree with.  You also continue to say that I am biased, however, I am the one who submitted the first Cfr to change Category:Cinema by country &rarr; Category:Film by country.  When the community could not reach a decision, we left it at that, to be discussed further.  Removal of this category should not have taken place.

Also, you continue to insinuate that you are not the same user, but you are using IP's within the same range, and making contributions in the exact same manner as the other IPs. This is considered a form of sockpuppetry and is not tolerated. You should not remove comments from Cfd or other discussions, only make comments on them. I reversed my original rv, and noted that you were voting twice, via sockpuppetry on the related cinema/movie/film items.

Please consider waiting for these issues to be decided as a whole before continuing to similar categories to the Cfd and making any more non-consensus changes. Thank you. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 02:12, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

User:Humblefool
with Humblefool
 * Thanks for rvting my userpage a few days ago. You were so fast I didn't even notice until now! humblefool&reg; 02:25, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

My pleasure, glad to be of help. RickK did the same for me awhile back, I didn't have my userpage on my watchlist, didn't see a reason too at the time. :) Salut. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  02:46, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

rv summary on CFD page
with Rick Block
 * Hi - No big deal, but I'm user:Rick Block, not user:Steve block (no relation as far as I know). -- Rick Block (talk) 01:26, July 29, 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, I dearly appologize, I was in a hurry and looking at all the history, I just remembered "Block", I don't have the rollback :( . Thanks for the note and understanding.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  01:29, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Re no rollback - you're not alone. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:46, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Admin thanks
with Redux
 * Congrats, sorry I didn't have a cupcake to give ya :) .  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  23:19, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi Who. Thank you again for your support in my RfA, and thank you for the congratulatory message. Don't worry about the cupcake, I'm actually watching my figure after all those sweets Sango gave me. ;) Thanks again.  After that thingy blows over, I'll nominate you myself for Adminship &mdash; unless someone else beats me to it, in which case I'll have to settle for supporting you.  At your disposal for anything, Redux 00:58, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Sandbox gnome
with Jondel
 * Hello Who,

Congrats on your adminship!!

Could I ask your advice?

This may or may not refer to wikipedia but your metaphorical home as well.

Let us say a kid wants to play in sandbox but is polite and does not break any rules. I expect the kid to grow up eventually in the mean time, he spends his time in almost entirely in the Sandbox.

However he went to far and accidentally destroyed part of it. He doesn't contribute anything though and so the anti-fun bullies (trolls) totally ban him forever from the premises. Is this Ok? Could I ask your comment?

Best regards,

--Jondel 00:48, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I did not make it this time around, but thank you for the sentiment.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?


 * I don't believe in the permanent ban of anyone. Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia and can be fixed, even if it takes awhile to catch it all. This is the same for my home, as items are just that items, and its only ones feelings that get hurt, which heal over time too. I offer the chance to anyone to "grow up" or change their views or actions.  However, even politeness doesn't mean one may not mean harm to their environment, they should be viewed by both their tempermant and actions.  As far as contributions, each persons contributions differ in many ways.  I am not very good at creating a nice looking article, but can add to it functionally, so my contributions may not meet a visual standard, but it does in a technical. I look at everything a person has done in a specific environment and evaluate them based on that.  Thanks for asking.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  01:05, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with who. Besides, I don't think permabans are appropreate unless in extreme cases. By the way, is this the guy who was adding humungous images to the sandbox? After a look on the guy's talk page I think a short-term ban could be appropreate (like giving a small child a timeout). &mdash; Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;   (T&alpha;l&kappa;) '' 01:14, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

(To Who:)You thanked me and I assumed you won. Anyway, Zoidberg is blocked and I'm concerned. Thanks anyway.--Jondel 01:10, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yea, i wanted to thank you for your vote reguardless of the outcome. Hmm, DrZoidberg is definately blocked indefinately, but by David Gerard, who is not only an admin but a checkuser.  So if he did it, I'm not sure what to do about it, but contact him directly and ask, or do an WP:RFC if his response is not to your liking.  Sorry I couldn't help further.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  01:20, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

User:I love PENIS lots lots lots
with Redwolf24
 * Just letting you know I blocked that fellow. Your friend, Redwolf24 00:01, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I actually saw it but have been on the phone arguing with dell all day, hadn't had a chance to comment.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  00:39, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Haha, Dell drives me insane at times... Redwolf24 00:45, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Ooh, if there were only a word to describe how I fealt about them today.. Ugh. They've had my new system on hold for close to a month, all errors on their part ofc.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  00:48, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * x.x get a different system then. The only good thing about Dell is their price really. Go Gateway! Redwolf24 00:53, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually I prefer to build my own, built every system I have ever used except for the Gateway that I have now, purchased for me. This Dell I get an awesome govt discount on and couldn't build the same system for anywhere near the price, very large system. Oh well, As long as they ship it by the end of the week, I won't have to deal with them ever again, yay. :)   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  01:11, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah until it busts... Redwolf24 01:13, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Eh, I'll fix it then :) If not, I'm a retired IT everything guy, so I know how to deal with tech support to get pieces replaced.    &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  02:36, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh. Then build your own!!!! Redwolf24 02:43, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * (<- lots of colons) I'm saving about $1100 doing it this way, 2gb ram 1TB HD array, and the new Pentium D processor, are all expensive. This way I get my govt discount.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  02:58, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * What's the govt discount for anyway?? Redwolf24 02:59, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * 100% disabled vet, so I have retired military status. Dell offers discounts to military thru AAFES (exchange stores).  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  03:54, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah. Were you in Vietnam or Iraq I or Iraq II? Redwolf24 03:57, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Iraq I (desert storm). I was blown off an aircraft carrier by an F-14 and injured by back. Later on I got mercury poisoning which caused ALL kinds of fun fun problems.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  08:48, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Category:Cinema by country
with fvw, Splash
 * I think it should only be noted on the talk page. That user created the other cat after the Cfd had decided not to, and then populated it. Since then has vandalised the Cfd page, removed the Cfd tag on Category:Film by country and then put that one up for speedy with that comment.  I left notes on the talk page about this. This category should have NOT been deleted in the first place, and the consensus as of now, is to revert the unauthorized pages.  I understand your point about having it there for admins, so they dont' speedy it, but it leaves a false impression about the history of the cat, since it shouldn't have been deleted (retired) in the first place.  I appologize if I am seeming rash, but this anon is just creating categories and moving articles around going against the consensus of the Cfd.  Thanks for your understanding, I will leave the note, but adjust it to be more neutral.  Thanks.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  07:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, any note works for me. It's just my experience that empty categories have a tendency to get deleted, whether they're CSDs or not. --fvw *  07:42, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thats understandable, and thanks for the consideration. I left the note there, just ammended it. Thanks for replying.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  07:45, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I was left this message on my talk. It seems there is a good chance it's Rich Wannen operating under multiple IPs. He tends to get very upset very quickly and has had more than one lengthy discussion over related issues without really getting anywhere. -Splash 14:46, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for the note about this note :). I left a comment on Kbdank71's page, I'm going to make a  log of their activities, and get more people involved, Radiant most likely.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  19:40, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Revert on CfD
Hi there. Your reasoning for that revert is perfectly sound. However, I think you might undo your revert. It is more usual (eg in VfD) to merely tag an anon IP in some fasion. You know the kind of thing: "users's first/second/third edit", and admins routinely discount them anyway. As for the personal attack, well, per WP:RPA (a guideline) you would have some backing for removing the offensive parts of the comment. Reverts upset people, especially the easily upset. -Splash 00:15, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comment on the Cfd rv, I was originally doing it to remove the personal attack, but figured might as well do the sockuppet votes. I'll mark them instead. Thanks again.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  00:20, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Policy question
with Radiant!
 * Hey, I hope you didn't mind my little note about my 10k barrier, not that I look at my edit count often, but when I did, I was surprised to see it was up to 10k, and wanted to share. Anyhoo, I know you do a lot of policy work, and wondered if you could help me on this one.  What is the policy, on editing an "official policy" page.  I know usually you have to submit a proposal for a policy change, but what about "minor" word changes, that might affect the interpretation of the policy?  See policy diff.  I only ask because this user is on a "vendetta" to change a whole line of categories, even after consensus was not to change, and vandalised the Cfd page to "vent" frustration, I guess.  Any thoughts?  Thanks.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  02:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Most policy pages consist of a short bit of policy and a lengthy explanation and examples etc. The former should not generally be modified, the latter can be edited fairly, especially to clarify, detypoify, or make better examples. However, anything that substantially changes the meaning of policy is likely a bad idea; if you disagree with it, it is probably a good idea to revert it and ask for discussion (moreso if, as in this case, it was not done by an established user). We have very few policy pages and can afford to be strict on them. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 17:34, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks renata3
with Renata3
 * For reverting vandalism on my user page. Very kind of you! Renata3 17:48, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

You're very welcome, glad to be of any help ;) Salut.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  17:53, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

10,000 ones
with Redux Hey, Who! Congrats on your 10 grand! How about a beer?! Those ducks looked like they've been partying all night! ;) I would also like to take the opportunity to thank you for your support in my RfA.  I'm very sorry to find that your RfA didn't succeed.  I wanted to vote for you, in fact, I updated your tally, but got distracted and didn't vote, then, when I realized what I had done (or didn't do), your RfA had already closed. :-/  But just give it a month or two, I'm positive you'll get it then!  In the meantime, party on!  Congrats, Redux 17:02, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Congrats, Who! --Ryan 18:26, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. It's quite an accomplishment. I hereby add you to my list of Wiki Role Models. --Ryan 01:24, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

User:Gong Bank
with hydnjo
 * Thanks for looking after my talkspace. For the record I have no problem with you or others rving inappropriate edits to my talk page. hydnjo talk 02:48, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Not a prob, I just feel bad for the users that still have like 10 posts on their page that weren't removed, makes for a long pointless talkpage. I did check to make sure that someone like UninvitedCompany previously rv'd a BoW post before doing it, I hate rv'n a users talk page, but figured this type of vandalism warranted it. Salut. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 06:02, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

User:Cj.23
with Cj.23
 * Thanks ever so much for the message. Because I don't have a static iP address I really should get in the habit of logging in; I have been editing articles on shows I worked upon, and trying to create entries to remove some of the red underlining.  I am now off to read the article on the Ojibwa as I am fascinated by such things!  It's geat to meet you and thank you for such a warm welcome to the community.

cj (Cj.23)

(added welcome note) Your very welcome. Here are some helpful links that you may or may not know about. Feel free to contact me for any questions you may have, and thanks for your message. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 13:36, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

your welcome note
with Jtkiefer
 * I was wondering if you'd mind if I used a variation of your welcome template to welcome new users. Jtkiefer  T - 03:59, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

please respond on my talk page as I will most likely not be monitoring yours

I'm always up for change, and trying to improve it. Any specific suggestions? &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 04:00, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Nothing specifically, I'm gonna fool around with it in my personal sandbox right now and I'll drop you a note when I'm done, maybe you should think about modifying it for overall use {i.e. removing specific links to your userpage and replacing them with variables or insertable segments} and using it for a welcome3 template. I know I'm gonna start using my variation of this instead of the standard welcome template. Jtkiefer  T - 04:04, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Yea the only specific user link I use is for tracking really, nothing there. Since I use subst now, for this page User:Who/W. But you mentioned welcome3, were you talking about my regular welcome or the welcomeip I use? Which you are welcome to edit mine. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 04:11, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I didn't realize that there already was a welcome3, I was just using it as an example to the idea that maybe you should turn this into a general use template though that would require generalizing it and possibly changing some of the design around to allow for general use. Jtkiefer  T - 04:14, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean. Yea, I looked at all the ones on Welcoming committee awhile back, and really didn't like them. I made a modified version of User:Neutrality/Welcome's page. I wouldn't mind this one being made into a standarized version, I don't get as many "Thank you"'s for using it, but I think it has more helpful links on it than most of the others. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 04:24, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

k, I have a slight variation that I am using now, it can be found at user:Jtkiefer/welcome Jtkiefer  T - 07:07, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

That looks good, like the accent color, prompted me to want to change mine :) . I also like the welcome centered, so if you don't mind terribly, i'm going to use that too. Maybe at some point someone can recommend it to be templatized, but there are so many user variations, everyone seems to have their own. I made a list of a bunch of them at one point. I kind of liked your wording on the first line better, but didnt' want to steal all of your improvements ;-). Salut. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 09:28, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Your welcome to use as much of it as you'd like, it is your original design after all, after template:welcomeip I have also made my own IP welcome template which can be found at user:Jtkiefer/ipwelcome. Jtkiefer T - 09:33, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Yea I saw your welcomeip, from your welcomed page :) Looks good too. Defiantely better than the standard template.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  09:37, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh, btw, if you use Firefox, you can use this extension to sign with right click. It holds very long strings of characters, and you can add as many "signatures" as you want. I have tons of templates and my welcome pages stored in it. Example, I store ~ for my welcome note. Makes it so much easier. Assuming you use Firefox or another Mozilla browser. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 09:50, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, yeah I use Mozilla Firefox, there's no way in hell I'm going back to using IE. Jtkiefer  T - 09:55, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Worldperks
with Vegaswikian
 * Actually the TfD vote was to use the already existing Category and not to create a list. In any case, the list you created is not a list, but rather the description of the program that should be placed at Worldperks, currently a redirect because of the loot it had created.  Could you cut and past the other articles data there?  A move would not work since the target is exists. Then your new list can be speedy deleted by your request.  Since you did the only edit, there is no edit history that would need to be maintained if you did the cut and paste.  Vegaswikian 17:01, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Yea, I seen it was under "categorify", but it had listify next to it, I previewed the log, and it had some listify votes, I figured the admin who moved it just stuck in in the wrong section. Either way, I dont mind it being deleted, the list, I just wanted it moved out of the "holding cell". Ok, are you wanting me to cut & paste the new page, or have it speedied to do a move? &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 17:06, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes to cut and past. Vegaswikian 17:10, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Which article do you want me to cut & paste from? Or to. (article A) -> (article B). Thanks. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  17:13, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


 * From the newly created List of Worldperks members and partners to Worldperks. If you are an admin, then maybe it would be easier to speedy the Worldperks redirect which is on RfD and then just do a move.  Don't know if an admin can do a speedy in that case, but since the result would be the right thing maybe it is OK.  Vegaswikian 17:17, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Done, now I'll go update all the See also links I created before speedy request.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  17:25, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll do America West. Vegaswikian 17:28, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks candserson7
with Canderson
 * Thanks for reverting that vandalism to my user page. I appreciate it! --Canderson7 20:24, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * And again, thanks. --Canderson7 20:33, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Not a prob, glad to help!! &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 20:29, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Yep, I was just about to report him on VIP, but bad weather = bad connection :( so you beat me to it :) &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  20:36, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I Award Your Kindness With a Barn... Well, a Barn.
with Essjay Thanks for your offer of assistance, i'd award you a Barn Star, but since i'm kind of in the dark as to what the deal is with those things, I figured I might as well award you an entire barn! Hey, that can be the first thing you assist me with -- telling me what the deal is with those things! Karmafist 00:44, 23 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Hehe, are you going to store your vandals in there? ;-o  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  22:36, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't know; do you think there's enough space in there for mine and Red's both? -- Essjay ·  Talk 22:41, July 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmm, well probably, I wouldnt be concerned with their comfort, they are vandals.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  22:43, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I'm going to put them in User:Essjay/Barn. -- Essjay ·  Talk 22:47, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

question
with HoneyBee
 * how do you answer user's question who doesn't have a talk page? i'm also trying to edit the image to copyright, how do i do that? thanks... (HoneyBee)


 * It's just like starting a new page, if you click on their user page link, then choose discussion at the top, and choose edit, it will create the discussion page. So if you wanted to reply to 80.178.180.107, then you just goto their talk page and edit and save it.


 * To edit an image, just goto the image (Watcher.jpg) page, hit edit and add the relevant copyright tag in the description. Example  fairuse

&infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 19:00, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

thanks for supporting me
with Garrett
 * Hello, just a quick note to express my gratitude for your support of my RfA. I'm sure I'll become a familiar face on places like the Administrator's Noticeboard and Requests for Adminship, as well as the murkier parts of my new job. "From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." (Luke 12:48, NIV) Never was a truer word spoken. I feel empowered, yes, but not in the "oooh cool delete button!" way I was kind of expecting. Already I feel the weight of the responsibility I have now been entrusted with, a weight that will no doubt reduce given time. Thank you for believing in me. :) GarrettTalk 10:06, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Your quite welcome, I'm sure you'll do a great job, despite that shiney new delete button ;) (btw, I wouldn't follow that one ) &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  19:04, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Database groveling
with Noel
 * Hi, I tried doing the wget | gunzip | grep thing again, and it blew out again, at close to the same point (might have been the exact spot; I didn't keep the other copy to be sure). So I'm not sure what's going on - I'm wondering if the dump file has a bit error in it.

Anyway - you said you got like 80% of the way through, doing the gunzip | grep on your machine? If you still have the output file from that, or if you're willing to run it again, it would be interesting to try my program on it, to see if it works OK, and see what the data looks like. (My program gobbles up the 55MB file I have in about 2 seconds!) Let me know... Noel (talk) 09:58, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Yea, I think I was wrong about how far it got, the output is only 25mb, I had too many complaints about the lag during its run (host lots of sites), so I couldn't crunch it again. I dont' have my local linux server running here, was gonna run it on my pc, just have to get it setup to do so. I see you may have got further on the talk page. Sorry I couldn't help further, atm. If you still aren't getting anywhere, let me know, as I will be trying to get it done on my local pc, just have to re-d/l the dump, I deleted it off my local pc. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 19:19, 22 July 2005 (UTC)


 * When you say "reload the dump", do you mean all the way from download.wikimedia? If so, don't worry about it - I'll either get a copy myself, or get access to run my thing directly there, or something. If you do still have the dump, I'm not sure what to do - the new version of my thingy uses more fields from the dump (e.g. timestamp), but I suppose we could do a modified grep to pull them in too. Noel (talk) 19:49, 22 July 2005 (UTC)


 * yea I deleted the dump, so I would have to re-download it. I still have it on my server, but cant re-grep it. It's no biggy to re-d/l it though, I got it in like 2 hours I think. Granted I wont be here the rest of the night, but it can d/l in the background.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  20:06, 22 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Let me make sure I understand you. You downloaded the full dump to your server, and still have it there? And to do any actual processing on it, you'd have to copy it to another machine you have, on which you used to have a copy, but from which you have now deleted it? Noel (talk) 13:22, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Yea, d/l the full dump both to server and local pc, the server couldn't handle the grep's because of how much work goes on for the websites, not sure if my friend del'd the dump on server yet. And yes, to do any further work on it, I would re download it to my pc, find the right tools (windows on pc, linux on server), to work on it. I have grep, but not sure I like how it works, and would have to write a program to parse the rest of the data, which isnt really that difficult anyway. I wasn't sure how much you had completed, so I didn't re-download the dump again. Which I can still do. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 17:47, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Got it. My program now completely bypasses the grep stage; it feeds off the raw database. (Since grep is very general, it's probably less efficient at filtering out the entries we have any use for, so I'll bet my thing runs a lot faster.) I'm emailing Brion/etc to see if I can get shell access to download.wikimedia.org. (I checked, and the machine at MIT I'm working on doesn't have enough space to hold the complete dump - the dump is 22GB and the machine only has 15GB free.) So since I had so little success with the wget | gunzip pipe, it's either them, or someone who has a copy of the entire database. My program is pretty much complete - see Wikipedia talk:List of Wikipedians by number of edits for some sample output. Noel (talk) 20:39, 23 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, I can't get shell access to a Wikimedia machine (grr), but I have discovered what was causing things not to work when using the output of a pipe, so now I can just use the copy at download.wikimedia.org; downloading a copy of the database less the entries now. See Wikipedia talk:List of Wikipedians by number of edits. Noel (talk) 08:05, 24 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Do you still have that database dump copy on your server? I've hit a block I don't think I can work around. Running the "wget | gunzip | filter_out_text " pipeline, I'm getting the following error message from gunzip: "gunzip: stdin: unexpected end of file" - and it occured in the exact same place on two consecutive runs. In other words, it's not a random network error causing it. Either there's a TCP bug, or wget has a problem, or something. If you still have a copy of the full XML dump on your machine, I can provide the simple filter program (it just uses stdio, so it will run on anything) to filter out the database entries I need; that will be a much smaller file, which I can then copy on over. Noel (talk) 16:17, 24 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Yea I believe I still have it or can get it fairly quickly. I can run your prog on mine if you want. Sorry took awhile to get back been gone all day.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  20:59, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Ah, great, thanks, that would be really useful. Here's my program to strip out the entries:

http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tmp/wkf.c

Like I said, it only uses stdio, so it should be trivial to get running on your machine (and it's short enough you can quickly scan it to make sure there are no hidden lurking ugly bits :-). You would run it by saying something like:

gunzip -c -d -f full_db.xml.gz | wkf -o stripped_db.xml

If you want it to print a nice little star every so many lines, add an "-fp", like this:

gunzip -c -d -f full_db.xml.gz | wkf -fp -o stripped_db.xml

If you want to run it as a pure filter (i.e. to run the output straight into gzip, although you don't really need to bother - it throws away about 99.9% of the data, making the output much smaller than the input, even with compression), you can do that too:

gunzip -c -d -f | wkf -np 15 | gzip

(The "-np 15" does nothing here, without the -fp flag; it's there simply because with no arguments at all, the program spits out a list of commands and exits. Since I didn't code it to print the '*'s on stderr, you can't do -fp, and also have output on stdout, all at the same time.)

Anyway, thanks ever so much, and let me know what I can do to help. Noel (talk) 21:31, 24 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Will have it again in about 1hr, 55% d/l done. Compiled your prog on my laptop, its a bit stronger than my pc. Will let you know the outcome in a few arns.    &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  22:33, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Now I am getting this error: unexpected char '=' in '== Speculative non-fiction books about artificial intelligence == '

I'm sure its just an extra characther in front of =, so I'm gonna decompress the structure and fix the error. If that doesnt work, I'll just edit your prog to look for it and recompile it. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 00:18, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Nope its an error in the dump file, I'm going with the full page dump of 16JUL right now.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  00:56, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, same error, I think same spot on new dump. I think the prob is with gzip, I just found a patch on their page discussion long files. Have to compile a new version and try again.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  04:28, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


 * That didn't work either. Seems the real error is either no EOF on the dumps or the progs are failing. I tried 2 versions of gzip, rar, and winzip, they all error'd out. I finally got it unzipped, so I think this is a full parsed file, using your program. http://questdesign.net/db.xml  I  parsed another copy of the dump and got the same size file 683k, http://questdesign.net/output.xml.gz is the output, 169mb uncompressed.  So I'm guessing even with the error, it may be all of it?    &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  06:23, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Klmjordan
with Klmjordan Hi Who,

I need your help! I recently created two accounts. (I know I shouldn't have had but I really never knew at the time and for which I was banned for a few days). I need to know what one I really should forget about. My first ever account was "Jordan999" and (now my latest) account is "Klmjordan". All I need to know is what one I should use from now on.

Also, (I don't know if the above of what I have just said has anything to do with it): I was trying to upload a photo and it says that I must be logged in, so I logged in and it is as though I am not logged in becuase it keeps on saying that I have still not logged in.

Thank you very, very much for your time and dedication,

Klmjordan 20 July 2005 -- 16:10 (UTC)

Unfortunately, even though you meant well, this account was blocked on 8 Jul, for sockpuppetry and vandalism. You may consider either explaining the situation to the admin who blocked you, or on adminstrator notice board. If you get it resolved, I would choose the account name you are more happy with. For the time being Jordan999 is not blocked, and you can use that account, if you need to post to the admin board. Best of wishes. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 20:25, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
with Essjay Thanks for voting in my RfA; I promise I'll wield my sacred mop with care. If you ever need me for anything, you know where to find me. Thanks again! -- Essjay ·  Talk 15:19, July 20, 2005 (UTC)


 * Your welcome and congrats.. Btw, cleanup on aisle 9 ;-p  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  05:44, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Continued discussion
with Lifeisunfair
 * As you're well aware, I posted precisely one reply to another user on this page. You requested that I refrain from doing so, and I've complied (even when Kbdank71 posted a reply to me here).  Therefore, I don't know why you claimed that I have been "continuing to reply to other users on [your] discussion page."

Were you attempting to discredit me by deliberately conveying false information? If not, why haven't you issued a retraction?

And out of curiosity, why was it perfectly okay for Kbdank71 to reply to another user on this page?

(For the record, this is the first time that I've ever addressed you via a talk page message that wasn't a direct reply to a message that you posted on my talk page.) &mdash;Lifeisunfair 21:55, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * As you're well aware, I posted precisely one reply to another user on this page. You requested that I refrain from doing so, and I've complied (even when Kbdank71 posted a reply to me here). Therefore, I don't know why you claimed that I have been "continuing to reply to other users on [your] discussion page."


 * First, I am not sure, are you stating this from what Pavel Vozenilek had posted on my talk page? I merely thanked him for voting on my Rfa, his comments were his own and not spurred by anything I said. If not, the only other remarks I made about you continuing to reply, was I believe about your responses to me responding directly to other users on my Rfa.  I have not further  continued to discuss anything with you or anyone else, so I am curious at why you bring this up again.


 * Were you attempting to discredit me by deliberately conveying false information? If not, why haven't you issued a retraction?


 * I was not trying to discredit anyone, I stated what a summary of what occurred, and gave each user involved the opportunity to preview everything for themselves. I have the right to respond to users comments, concerns or questions on my Rfa.


 * And out of curiosity, why was it perfectly okay for Kbdank71 to reply to another user on this page?


 * I also said in our discussion, that I didn't necessarily mind the further discussion on my page, what I did not appreciate was you continually to defend/offend/etc. the 3RR with other users on my discussion page. So I kindly asked you to take your conversation to their page, as you had already made your point clear to me, and I no longer wished to continue to discuss it with you.


 * (For the record, this is the first time that I've ever addressed you via a talk page message that wasn't a direct reply to a message that you posted on my talk page.) —Lifeisunfair 21:55, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I did not reply to you on my Rfa when I addressed a users comment, I replied to them, whether or not your name or other users names were mentioned, did not mean I was addressing you, only answering a concern to the user who asked it. So therefore you did reply when not directly responded to. As it is, I have been attempting to move on from the situation and again have not even discussed you with other users if they mentioned it.  I am attempting to continue with my daily routine. I am sorry if this does not address your concerns or questions fully, but I feel I have nothing else to discuss with  you on this topic.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  22:15, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * "First, I am not sure, are you stating this from what Pavel Vozenilek had posted on my talk page? I merely thanked him for voting on my Rfa, his comments were his own and not spurred by anything I said."


 * I directly quoted you. What would give you the idea that this pertained to Pavel Vozenilek in any way?


 * "If not, the only other remarks I made about you continuing to reply, was I believe about your responses to me responding directly to other users on my Rfa. I have not further  continued to discuss anything with you or anyone else, so I am curious at why you bring this up again."


 * In your reply to Idont Havaname (posted 22:23, 18 July 2005), you claimed that I have been "continuing to reply to other users on [your] discussion page." I noted that this is entirely false, and I've patiently awaited your retraction.  You haven't issued one, so I'm replying to you here.


 * "I was not trying to discredit anyone, I stated what a summary of what occurred, and gave each user involved the opportunity to preview everything for themselves. I have the right to respond to users comments, concerns or questions on my Rfa."


 * Of course you do, but you should do so in an honest, factual manner. Your "summary of what occurred" contains a patent falsehood.  (I'm trying very hard to assume good faith, by not referring to it as an "outright lie.")


 * "I also said in our discussion, that I didn't necessarily mind the further discussion on my page, what I did not appreciate was you continually to defend/offend/etc. the 3RR with other users on my discussion page. So I kindly asked you to take your conversation to their page, as you had already made your point clear to me, and I no longer wished to continue to discuss it with you. "


 * Kbdank71 discussed the very same topic with another user (id est, me) on your page. Evidently, you're willing to tolerate this infraction when the offending party happens to agree with you.


 * "I did not reply to you on my Rfa when I addressed a users comment, I replied to them, whether or not your name or other users names were mentioned, did not mean I was addressing you, only answering a concern to the user who asked it. So therefore you did reply when not directly responded to."


 * I explicitly said, "via a talk page message," so why are you citing a project page message?


 * My point was that almost every message that I've posted on your talk page has been a direct reply to a message that you've posted on my talk page. The two exceptions are my reply to Splash and my post from earlier today.


 * "As it is, I have been attempting to move on from the situation and again have not even discussed you with other users if they mentioned it. I am attempting to continue with my daily routine. I am sorry if this does not address your concerns or questions fully, but I feel I have nothing else to discuss with  you on this topic."


 * I merely ask that you retract the aforementioned defamatory claim. &mdash;Lifeisunfair 23:26, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * At this point, it is hard to describe to you, I am not the type of person that jumps to conclusions, or argumentative. If you disagree, I understand, and wish not to argue over any differing point of views, I am just offering this to you in good faith. We have both written very long and topic wild discussions, and keeping precise track of mis-wording issues is sometimes difficult. I did not understand why you did reply to any of the comments, it was not until your last reply on my discussion page, that you worded it in such a matter, and we were not discussing many other issues, that you mererly wanted a retraction from what you fealt was a demeaning comment towards you.  This is the reason I stated in the first lines, that I am not that type of person.  Even if you or someone had "pissed me off", to be blunt, I would not resort to demeaning a user.  I am sorry you fealt that way, as I was truely only trying to summarize. My wording could have been chosen better, but that states nothing about my character.  I attempted to clarify the reply to Idont Havaname, to better represent the discussion and quotes I left on your page.  As far as the other users commenting on the same situation, I did not respond to them about any of the issues, as to not encourage further discussion, I fealt it better not to respond to anyone in this reguard. I explained this better on the modified Rfa page. I am replying to these comments, only because you approached me in good faith, not to say the other times were not, but during the heat of a discussion, all things can have a skewed view, as  some of the reasoning for my request to end the discussion.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  03:00, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you for addressing my concern. My initial belief was that your incorrect statement probably was unintentional, but the fact that you hadn't amended it (after I originally brought it to your attention) was beginning to generate some doubt on my part.  Thanks also for recognizing that my replies to you were good faith efforts to communicate (for the purpose of resolving the issue), and not attempts to fuel a petty feud.


 * Not to nit-pick, but you haven't corrected the wording to which I object the most. The phrase "continuing to reply" conveys that I did so more than once ("continuing" after you asked me not to).  If you could please change this to "replying", I would sincerely appreciate it.  Thanks again!  &mdash;Lifeisunfair 03:20, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Hate to butt in again, but here I go anyway. Hindsight being perfect and all, I suppose I should not have replied to Lifeisunfair here. I really didn't mean to stir anything up. I think Who will be a great admin, if not now, whenever this blows over (and it will), and Lifeisunfair likes They Might Be Giants, nuff said. Anyway, well, I'm not really sure where I was going with this, as I haven't had my coffee yet this morning. Oh, yeah, sorry for my part in this. --Kbdank71 13:06, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Firefox extension
with Essjay
 * Hi, I seen you posted this:

''Didn't you tell me you use Firefox? Get this extension. It lets you set predefined signatures (no character limit), and then insert them by right clicking (it adds a signature menu to your right click)''

on Redwolf24s page. I've been using Firefox for awhile, and have a ton of extensions, this one is the most useful so far, as far as Wiki. I'm glad you posted it. Thanks. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 03:31, 19 July 2005 (UTC)




 * Btw, see your awards page.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  17:08, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the award; I shall endeavor to maintain the integrity and reputation of the Order. ; - ) -- Essjay ·  Talk 18:20, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


 * I knew there was something else I meant to say: Yeah, I love that extension, and the "OCD" extension. I use the sig ext for all my RC patrol work, as well as welcoming, and I can welcome twenty five new users in under a minute using it. And again, thanks for the award. -- Essjay ·  Talk 19:45, July 19, 2005 (UTC)



User advice
with Theresa knott
 * Hi, I appologize for bringing this up to you, however, I am not quite sure what other avenue to take. After the initial edit war & 3RR discussions, Lifeisunfair, still continues to "stalk" (I do not mean this demeaningly) me and any discussion that seems to relate to my RFA. I agree and understand that I am "fair game" during the RFA, especially if I were an admin.  He continues to argue with me over the 3RR, and was replying to other users on my discussion page, if he saw RFA in the edit summary.  I feel I have a right to respond to users who comment on my RFA page, and he continually adds his comments to my responses.  I feel he has made his points very clear, to me, and with his original vote on my RFA.  I should be able to address other users questions, without him commenting on every single issue.  I asked him politely, to no longer respond to other users on my user page, and he used this against me in every possible way.  I was only trying to be polite, and it is interfering with my ability to do any other actual work on Wiki, or have legititmate discussions with other users, with out the worry that he will come and add  in his comments.  I am not quite sure if this is a type of trolling, but it is sure not "constructive criticism" he tries to imply. I have not approached or discussed him with any other user, nor have I brought the arguments in any other discussion arena, as to say I am not going around commenting negatively about him or his actions.  If I am being too sensitive on this matter, or something else, I would welcome any suggestions or comments.  Otherwise, I am not sure what to do.  Thank you.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  02:54, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Just to let you know I replied on my talk page. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 15:46, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * To be honest. I think you're being a bit sensitive here. When your'e up for adminship you have to expect negative comments sometimes, and just roll with the punches. He's stated that he wont reply to others on your talk paga again. I think you should let the matter drop there. Remember in a vfA situation his vote counts for one. Take a deep breath before you engage with him again. I'll keep an eye on things for a few days. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 15:38, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for replying and the advice. I don't mind the attention from the Rfa, just got a bit stressed over his continued comments on it. I'm pretty much staying away from it, unless a user has a particular question, and getting back to what I've been doing all along. Thanks again.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  16:33, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Celebrating
with Redux Hi! I've just crossed a symbolic milestone. Three thousand edits! I feel like celebrating. Have a cigar! Don't worry, I don't smoke them either, but it's all good :)! Cheers, Redux 15:07, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Congrats, thanks for the cigar, it'll make a good fertilizer for my plants :) &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  16:38, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the balloons! I appreciate it. :)  Redux 17:51, 19 July 2005 (UTC)



Adminship
with Radiant!
 * Since you asked - what I believe you should do about your RFA is take the high road and withdraw the nomination. Then wait for three or four weeks, then get nominated again. The reason I'm saying this is simply because your good actions are overshadowed by one recent mistake. Once that is a bit more in the past, people will be more inclined to look at the larger picture; for instance see Ta Bu Shi Da Yu's two recent nominations, of which the first suffered under a similar incident. Yours, Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 08:46, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Yea, I've been considering this. I was willing to wait another day, to see if anyone would take the time to read through what has happened, but it has been pain-stakenly hard, mainly because of the constant comments. I have been just bascially trying to ignore it, but feel I should reply to those users that have a legitimate question. I value your opinion on the matter, especially since it seems my RFA is "wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole" area of the page. My main concern is the same thing happening if/when I become nominated, when users read the past comments, as has happened for some other candidates.

Btw, I moved the template to "to be deleted", I just didnt' want to touch it anymore until you, or another admin fixed the situation. Working on the rest now. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 08:53, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Previous GNAA Vfd discussion
with Ta bu shi da yu
 * Hi, I hadn't had a chance to follow up with you after our discussion on VfD talk:GNAA, and then the Vfd that you personally orchestrated. I hope there are no mixed feelings from our discussions, as I only wanted to discuss future avenues.  I feel you did a great job on the last Vfd, and spoke with several users about what you were trying to accomplish.  Best reguards.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  05:18, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

GNAA again again :-)
Yeah, sorry things got heated between the two of us! I don't, in fact, terribly like the GNAA, but saw what you meant when you pointed out the voting problems in the previous VfDs.

Gawsh... I'm so sick of the GNAA! Or rather, not the GNAA itself, but the amount of stuff that spun off from it on this site. - Ta bu shi da yu 05:22, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Bias
with 64.109.253.204
 * I have no bias. But I would also like to thank you for your help and for also telling Calton to be civil, although I don't think he he listened. 64.109.253.204 04:45, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

It is hard to tell that from the range of Vfd & Cfd's you have entered. I read your reasoning, but listing so many that fit a certain set of racial profiles, does suggest bias. If that is not your intentions, then I do appologize. Some of these articles, do have very high significant value, and that segregated parts of history have to be documented to avoid future mistakes. As for Calton, I was going to leave a message on his page, but it seemed he was paying quite a bit of attention to yours. You may want to consider creating an account for the future. Thaks for replying. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 04:49, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * The black gangsters category is something I feel really should be delted. As for the African-American Congressmen, someone pointed it out to me, and it seem to fit the reasons for deleting my Irish-American Mayors more, so I decided it should have a consideration for deletion. There is less connection between African-Americans and Congressmen than between Irish-Americans and mayors. I think both should be acceptable to stay, but with the reasons given for Irish-American Mayors fitting the African-American congressmen page better, I had to put it up for consideration. 64.109.253.204 04:54, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I was almost in agreement with this one, but decided not to vote. I looked at the cat, and how we distinguish between 1920's - 1950's gangsters and recent gangsters is odd, but set. I wasn't sure what else to call the "black gangsters" cat, as they are only very notable gangsters, or they wouldnt have an article. As for the rest of them, I haven't had the time to review all of the discussion and reasoning behind all the rest. The main concern was all the other Vfd's I seen after that one, just fit that pattern, but as you said, it has nothing to do with race, and I am assuming good faith on your part. If I can answer any more questions, feel free to ask. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 05:01, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Firefox extension
with Essjay
 * Hi, I seen you posted this:

''Didn't you tell me you use Firefox? Get this extension. It lets you set predefined signatures (no character limit), and then insert them by right clicking (it adds a signature menu to your right click)''

on Redwolf24s page. I've been using Firefox for awhile, and have a ton of extensions, this one is the most useful so far, as far as Wiki. I'm glad you posted it. Thanks. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 03:31, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

User advice
with Theresa knott
 * Hi, I appologize for bringing this up to you, however, I am not quite sure what other avenue to take. After the initial edit war & 3RR discussions, Lifeisunfair, still continues to "stalk" (I do not mean this demeaningly) me and any discussion that seems to relate to my RFA. I agree and understand that I am "fair game" during the RFA, especially if I were an admin.  He continues to argue with me over the 3RR, and was replying to other users on my discussion page, if he saw RFA in the edit summary.  I feel I have a right to respond to users who comment on my RFA page, and he continually adds his comments to my responses.  I feel he has made his points very clear, to me, and with his original vote on my RFA.  I should be able to address other users questions, without him commenting on every single issue.  I asked him politely, to no longer respond to other users on my user page, and he used this against me in every possible way.  I was only trying to be polite, and it is interfering with my ability to do any other actual work on Wiki, or have legititmate discussions with other users, with out the worry that he will come and add  in his comments.  I am not quite sure if this is a type of trolling, but it is sure not "constructive criticism" he tries to imply. I have not approached or discussed him with any other user, nor have I brought the arguments in any other discussion arena, as to say I am not going around commenting negatively about him or his actions.  If I am being too sensitive on this matter, or something else, I would welcome any suggestions or comments.  Otherwise, I am not sure what to do.  Thank you.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  02:54, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Tfd directors
with Radiant!
 * Hi, I see that you placed Template:Kubrick, Template:Alfred Hitchcock's films, Template:Steven Spielberg's films in the holding cell on 10:06, 18 July 2005. I started to to maintenance on the templates listed there, as I usually skip right to that section, and was accused of not waiting on consensus.  I was confused as why this was, and as such The JPS voted oppose on my RFA, just for this matter.  The actual discussion was not closed (with code), but was over on the 17th.  If I had realized it wasn't "closed", I would have not started the maintenance.  I added a "disputed" section on the Holding Cell until it can be resolved, however I'm not really sure what to do about the ever surmounting negative comments on my RFA.  Any suggestions?  Thanks.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  01:41, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi there! I'm afraid I forgot to remove the TFD discussions from the main page when I closed them (even if I had copied them to the log folder) so it would appear that they were already open. Sorry for the confusion, I've cleaned up my mistake for now. And thanks for working on it; I've asked JPS to reconsider his vote on your RFA too, since the mistake was mine rather than yours. Keep up the good work! Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 07:52, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Btw I'm not sure which templates you categorified or deprecated; please move those down to the 'to delete' section if you're done with them. Yours, Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 08:36, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Please visit Categorization/By_country. I've contacted those people from the discussion at KBdank's page now; if everyone agrees on the setup, we can post public notices at WP:RFC and attract attention all over the Wiki. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 08:04, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for responding. I figured you just forgot, and didnt want to sound brash. I wasn't bothered that it wasn't "closed", I figured it could have been anyone that started to do the maintenance. It was just my luck to do it and have someone contend the formal closing ;) Ce la vi. Thanks for taking the time to leave a note with JPS, I'm sure you seen my messages.


 * I copied some of my discussion over from Kbdank71's talk page, to your WP:Cat page. Good idea, I'm not sure if you seen my recent post on WikiProject Categorization, but I think something similiar on their would be helpful to those of us dedicated to category structures. Thanks again.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  08:37, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

directors TFD
with The JPS
 * Hi, I'm rather confused on your comment on my RFA. I only started one TFD, and recommended to the community that the 3 templates be combined.  After the Tfd was closed, I followed the consensus and started removing the template and categorizing.  I am not really sure what you mean otherwise.  Thanks.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  00:40, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, me again. Here is the link to the TFD holding cell. The directors templates are listed there for categorization. I was just doing maintenance.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  00:43, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I see where your concern stems, the actual discussion itself, was not "closed" with code. I skip directly to the holding cell, to see what maintenance needs to be performed. The directors templates were placed there 10:06, 18 July 2005, and the discussion should have been "closed" at that time.  I have no bias towards the actual templates, and was merely performing required maintenance.  I have since added a "Disputed" section in the holding cell, until the discussion is "closed". As the actual discussion was over on the 17th.  If I had known it wasn't "closed", I would have not started maintenance.  I replied to your comments on Tfd and on my RFA.  Thank you for your understanding.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  01:52, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hello. I would like to comment on this... I closed that TFD vote, simply because it had been listed for seven days. I'm the present cleaner-upper for TFD (for no particular reason other than having enough free time for it) and I close all discussions after seven days, which is the required period. So I would state that Who is acting in good faith here. As am I, but if you think something else should be done with the TFD I'd be happy to discuss it. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 07:44, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Investigating further, I notice that I did list the templates under the 'deprecate' section, and put the discussion in the log folder, but I omitted removing the discussion from the TFD main page. My mistake, I've fixed it now. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 07:50, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, I appologize for bothering you with this again, I assume you have just been busy, or otherwise. I know I sent quite a few messages up above concerning what you thought were bad faith and misguided removals of the template. I was just wondering if you have had a chance to take a look at what happened. I only ask because you did make specific comments about it, and I wanted a chance to hear from you after my responses.  If you choose not to change your vote on my RFA, that is quite ok too, only ask that you consider ammending the reason for oppose.  Thank you for your understanding.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  02:24, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

''I've deleted my relevant comments on your RFA. Have you seen ? I'm not going to nominate it, but I think it should be deleted for consistency. The JPS 15:44, 22 July 2005 (UTC)''


 * Hi, thanks for striking those comments. I went ahead and  nominated Quentin Tarantino films, thanks for letting me know about it. That was a little incomplete anyways.  Salut.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  18:48, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the heads up on Stanley Kubrick, its gone now. Thanks again.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  22:43, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Emily Browning
with Hall Monitor
 * Hi thanks for the fix on Emily Browning. I couldn't really tell if it was a new entry, a test or vandalism. I usually fix and research such things, but was in a hurry and to be safe rv'd.  Thanks  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  22:56, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, too, for reverting vandalism on my user page. Unfortunately, my page has become a recent target as a result of spotting and cleaning vandalism on other pages. Hall Monitor 23:00, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, that wasn't me this time, Y0u, did that. But I have now added your page to my watchlist, so if it happens in the future, I will try to catch it.  Salut.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  23:05, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Emma Watson
with 68.82.169.142
 * Hi, thanks for the fix on Emma Watson, I must have saved the article at the same time the user saved and missed some of the vandalism. Thanks again.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  22:51, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Category:LGBT actors
with Cleduc
 * Hi, I noticed you are working on the category structures of this cat, as well as one's mentioned above. At this time, there are not enough articles to warrant having sepearte categories for each of the sub cats you have created.  This is the reason the category was named Category:LGBT actors. The TOC breaks up the articles in groups of 200, and this is a standard practice.  This may come up in Cfd, and I just wanted to discuss it with you first.  Thanks.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  22:48, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the fair warning. When are you planning on submitting it? I would like an opportunity to make my case before it is pushed through (as the deletion of all LGBT* subcategories was just six weeks ago, then quickly reversed). Cleduc 03:09, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, when I first seen the cat, I was, but I like to do research and find the reasoning. As I seen you had done some cat work, and had some good reasoning, I thought it better to discuss it with you. The only problem I see, is a short time ago there was a dispute over the "Lesbian gay ..." cat, sorry I dont have the precise name or a link, and it ended up being the LGBT it is now.  I am on Cfd quite a bit, and just know its common practice not to sub-cat until we have to.  I am not necessarily saying we shouldn't, but there are not that many to split up either.  It may be brought up on Cfd by someone else, so I wanted to discuss it with you first.  I would normally recommend joining WikiProject Categories, but we have a ways to go before it is functionally useful.  I am glad you replied, but am not sure of the future of the sub-cats, until someone does submit it. We dont  have a good forum for categories other than Cfd.  You may want to, if you have not already, start a discussion on the LGBT talk page, so there is some reference to your work. Salut  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  03:16, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Who's RFA thank you notes
'with'' Pavel Vozenilek, Bratsche, Sango123, Y0u, Kbdank71, Radiant!, Microtonal, Hall Monitor, Sasquatch, Ilyanep
 * Thank you for your vote of support on my RFA.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  19:38, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

The sad fact is that the RFA process prefers people who do not engage controversial or contested topics, leaving these to vandals and trolls. I am glad that some people still do the tedious and unrewarded work like cleaning up categories. Thanks. Pavel Vozenilek 19:49, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Who's RFA thank you with RFA candidates
with Howabout1, Stevey7788
 * Thank you for your vote of support on my RFA. I would normally support your RFA, but do not personally believe in voting while a user has an open RFA, (note I voted for Essjay before I was on RFA). Keep up the good work, and good luck.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  19:56, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

I really think that just because you are a current RfA candidate, you can't vote. RedWolf24 and Essjay supported each other, even though they are BOTH candidates on the RfA. So feel free to oppose (or support) me my nomination, and hopefully you can block me in the future. :) &mdash; Stevey7788 (talk) 20:48, 18 July 2005 (UTC)''

Your blocked for 10 nano-seconds :). It's just a personal preference, it just seems like its cross-promoting, or campaigning for votes. (If you vote for me, then I'll vote for you) type thing. It's only a personal preference, don't really mind if others do it.  Thanks for replying.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  21:35, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

You don't vote while you have an on-going RfA? Why? Howabout1 Talk to me! 21:31, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

It's just a personal preference, it just seems like its cross-promoting, or campaigning for votes. (If you vote for me, then I'll vote for you) type thing. It's only a personal preference, don't really mind if others do it. I feel that the rest of the community will voice their opinion, but if it came down to it, and I really liked the candidate, I would vote to break a dead-lock. Thanks for replying. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 21:37, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Would it work if you voted in the day after your nomination? I don't mean to sound desperate, just asking. Howabout1 Talk to me! 21:40, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Hehe.. Yea that'd be acceptable, and I don't think its desperate at all. Watching the RFA can be stressful for sure, especially since you have been through it before. You can count on my vote in the near future. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 21:45, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Non promblem mon ami. =) Sasquatch&#08242;&#08596;Talk&#08596;Contributions 02:31, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Tony Gatlif
with Dvyost Hi, I see you are creating alternate spellings to Tony Gatlif, and then redirecting them to a non-existant page. It's not a good practice to create several articles, just to redirect them. The wiki search will find close matches. Although redirects are cheap, its good to at least have an article to actually point to. Are you plan on making this article, or are your redirects wrong? Thanks. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 05:38, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, the article's going up in about five minutes; I found a list of alternate spellings on IMDB and wanted to put in the redirects before I forgot them. My own experience with the wiki search engine is that it's not very spell-savvy, which causes me constant problems in finding names transliterated from other languages (the West African history pages are a real nightmare for this), so I'm trying to address this as I go.  Sorry for the trouble, and thanks for checking before deleting, --Dvyost 05:50, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * No trouble :) I was more concerned about the red-links than the mutiple redirects, I have made some myself. For a second, it just looked like a bunch of reserved name spaces :). Thanks for replying.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  05:52, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Template:Reqimage
with Netoholic
 * Hi, did you by chance read the discussion on the layout at Template locations discussion. As we were discussing its change, and that users should discuss such changes before making them.  Thanks.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  08:03, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

''why accept big and ugly when there is consensus that it's trash. tweak it later''


 * Please be WP:Civil. The reasoning is that it is still in discussion. Part of that discussion is layout and design.  If each person drastically changed each template, then there would be a revert war.  As there already was, hence the reason for the discussion.  I proposed its change for quite some time before changing the template. I have no problem chaning the template, but drastically changing it to a version that is not on the discussion, just means that it will be edited again later.  Will you revert back to your version because you dont like the proposed version that had consensus? This is the only reason I reverted the change. I left a kind note on why I did, along with where the discussion is being held. These kind of things can be avoided with communication, which you did not do before chaning the template. Until we actually close the discussion, it would be nice to actually participate in the discusion before chaning the template.  I am reverting it back, not out of spite, but only because it is currently in discussion.  Thank you.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  08:16, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

User:Lifeisunfair
If you took a moment to read all of the comments and discussion I had left on User talk:Netoholic, you would see I was plainly trying to avoid a revert war. This template is still in discussion, and the reason for the discussion was becuase users were just changing and removing templates without any discussion. I proposed the redesign of the template, as well as proposed going back to the old version Wikipedia_talk:Template_locations. He had not even responded to any of the comments I made. I am only attempting to let the community decide. This is not an ownership issue, as I plainly stated. The point is, the template will be edited again to conform to template standarization, and my last RV was to that original proposed version, currently the template does not conform. I do not appreciate the comments he made, and was polite and consise with my reasoning. The fact that I am not an admin should not effect waiting for a consensus and reverting back to his version. I have followed all the policies and am now being punished for it? Please review the history and the links I provided. Thank you &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  08:42, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * You were trying to avoid a revert war by reverting the template four times in less than seven hours (in violation of the three-revert rule)?


 * That's why I reverted to Netoholic's design. No matter which of you is correct, you violated a policy (and in a rather hypocritical fashion).


 * Indeed, the fact that aren't an admin (yet) has no bearing on the issue. Who claimed otherwise?


 * And FYI, not only did I read your comments on Netoholic's talk page, but that's how I learned of this dispute. &mdash;Lifeisunfair 09:18, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * As I commented on 3RR, I was not in violation. The first edit, I just listed as a RV, as it had nothing to do with the template or design, but in order to fix a link.  If you do not believe me, you can make a copy and test the version I fixed, and you will see it did not work. It was merely a fix.  Also, the version I reverted to last (3rd) was to a version that is actually in proposal, you reverted to a version that is not part of the Template standarisation, my proposed version was different because I had proposed it, I did not make the change drastically.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  09:22, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * The first edit was a revert, as is clearly indicated here.


 * It doesn't matter why you reverted, or to which version you reverted. You made four reverts to a single page in less than seven hours, and that's a violation.  &mdash;Lifeisunfair 09:29, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

An old CfD
with Kbdank71
 * Hi, Kbdank71. You closed the CfD on Category:People by race/ethnicity and all subcategories as a no consensus, when the voting was 9d-2k. That seems like a pretty clear consensus to delete &mdash; what happened? -Splash 07:11, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Although you may reply directly to Splash, I figured I would make a comment. I think you made the no consensus determination due to the fact that some of us voted delete, with a move to RFC comment.  Which made it clear that it might need to be further discussed before we delete the category and start a debate.  I was kind of wondering who would bring it to RFC and how.  If that wasn't the case, well just me and move on :)   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  07:19, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Category:American musical performers
with TUF-KAT
 * Hi, you recently created Category:American musical performers, I see that you are working with WikiProject World music, and figured it may have had something to do with one of those templates. We have a current category structure that may better fit some of these templates. Please visit the current CFD on this category, so we may further understand the reasoning, as this may help both our categorisation and your project.  Thank you.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  06:45, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Category:Rap merge
with MakeRocketGoNow
 * Hi, you placed a merge template on Category:Rap but did not start a discussion as to why you fealt it should be merged. It is now listed on CFR, I invite you to come share your opinion on the matter.  Thanks.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  06:32, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Who's RfA
with Splash
 * Hi, thanks for the support. I noticed in the discussion, that you were not an admin.  I need to check the admin list more often, thats twice I've made that misconception.  I would nominate you, but have personal reservations about not being an admin and nominations, and discussing it beforehand.  However, I would gladly vote for your support when the time comes (note, not because of your vote, but due to your contribs that I have seen, as if you didn't know that :) ).  I mainly replied to your comment, incase any other users had any reservations about the nomination, I figured since you did vote support, you were voting for me and not the nomination.  Thanks again.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  06:15, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

You are, of course, welcome to my support vote. I was a little surprised at how upset the replies to my comment were; if I hadn't said it, someone else would have done. It seems from the conversation on Redwolf24's page that you had the same concern yourself. I'm not really sure why I find the multiple nominations off-colour...I suppose I fear it could be used for vote-buying (which it clearly isn't in this case). Thanks for the kind comments about a hypothetical RfA...my first edit, though, was only on 2nd June so I think we can pretty sure I'd not make it on that point alone; I also think I share your other reservations. Good luck, and congratulations in advance! -Splash 06:29, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey, hang in there, Redwolf24 and Who. The process lasts a week, and you've collected some heavyweight support so far. As Kbdank71 says, there are times and users where conflict avoidance is impossible, it's just unfortunate it had to be now. Your support is already in the majority, and I note that your opposers are not frequenters of RfA. That leaves all the more usual participants yet to come out and vote. You've got everything to play for. Just steer clear of one or two users for 6 more days...-Splash 05:56, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the note. Yea today was my first official wiki-break day. :o I had some other stuff to do, so figured I would just let everyone have their discussions, I had made my point, and fealt it was pointless to argue further. Thanks for the note, and continued support.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  06:01, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Who's discussion page

 * "As Kbdank71 says, there are times and users where conflict avoidance is impossible, it's just unfortunate it had to be now."


 * Edit warring is unavoidable? Three-revert rule violations are unavoidable?


 * "Just steer clear of one or two users for 6 more days..."


 * ...and then resume edit warring? I'd like to think that a potential admin's ordinary participation would be sufficiently upstanding (without the need for special effort to be on his/her best behavior until it's too late for people to change their votes).  &mdash;Lifeisunfair 06:15, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I appreciate your concern over my current RFA. However, if you have comments you wish to make to users, please do so on their discussion page. I monitor other users pages to revert vandalism, and do not think it polite to constantly hound someone on an issue that is past. If you have further concerns, please take it up with those particular users or at RFC. Thank you. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 06:21, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * "Hi, I appreciate your concern over my current RFA. However, if you have comments you wish to make to users, please do so on their discussion page."


 * I was replying to a message on your talk page. For the sake of context, that's where I posted.  (I also left a pointer on Splash's talk page.)  This is a wiki, and that generally isn't considered inappropriate.


 * "I monitor other users pages to revert vandalism,"


 * Your point being...?


 * <font style="color:#00A651;">"and do not think it polite to constantly hound someone on an issue that is past."


 * "Hound"? You accepted a nomination for adminship, and then proceeded to violate a Wikipedia policy.  This is highly relevant to the RfA.  If you can't stand the heat...


 * And as you noticed, I was replying to Splash, whom you thanked for raising the issue. Evidently, you only welcome agreement.  &mdash;Lifeisunfair 06:47, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I indeed notice you were replying to Splash on my talk page. I just ask that you please, reply to other users on their talk page, as our conversation is ours. If you wish to have a conversation with that user, please do so on their talk page, whether or not it pertains to me is irrelevant. Thanks. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 06:53, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I will avoid replying to others on your talk page in the future (now that I'm aware that you object to this), but that isn't all that you wrote. You accused me of "constantly hound[ing]" you, simply because I discussed your misdeeds.  No offense, that level of sensitivity to constructive criticism is not an admin-like trait.  &mdash;Lifeisunfair 07:04, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I appologize that I was not clear on the reasoning. You asked what my point was about monitoring users pages. If you were not monitoring my discussion page, you would have not known that he had left me a message, although it is Wiki and everything is open, your response was to Splash. The only reasoning, I could see atm, for you to leave it on my page, is to continue to state your concern over my RFA, on my discussion page.  I feel you have conveyed that to me quite effectively, and to further to state those concerns on my talk page, in response to another users comments, does not solve anything. So I kindly asked you to voice your concerns to them, as I need not be a party to your conversations, as I feel a personal note I left for Splash and vice/versa, other Wikipedians need not to be involved.  If those notes had pertained to some type of vandalism or wrong doing, then I would have welcomed other users involvement.  I hope this explains my reasoning.  If you wish to discuss other matters with me, that is quite acceptable, but the issue of that particular revert war is past.  Thank you.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  07:13, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I always check the "Watch this page" box when posting to a talk page, in case I receive a reply there. I noticed the "RfA" subject on my watchlist, and read the discussion (because it pertains to a topic that interests me).  I replied to Splash on your talk page because:


 * 1. I felt that this was the most contextual, least confusing method.


 * 2. I felt that it would be rude to reply to a message addressed to you behind your back.


 * 3. As I said, I didn't realize that you objected to this.


 * And no, the issue of the revert war is not past. You're a candidate for adminship, so such incidents remain relevant for significantly longer than a day.  &mdash;Lifeisunfair 07:38, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

I understood your reasoning after you explained it in the last comment, thats why I replied and said "at the moment (atm)". As far as the issue being past, I merely meant, you stating the same thing you stated on the other discussion pages, is not further discussing the issue, I saw no "constructive criticism", just a re-iteration of the topic. I in no way feel that the issue is past with any other Wikipedian that has not yet had a conversation, or even you, as long as its covering new ground. So at this point, I feel our discussion on that topic is past, unless there are other areas you wish to discss that have not already been covered. This is the reason I asked you to respond to the user, rather than my page. It is not necessarily because I completely object to discussions on my user page, it just seemed there was nothing more to discuss with you on that topic, so using my talk page, was in perceived as you hounding me on the subject. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 07:47, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Splash's recommendation that you "just steer clear of one or two users for 6 more days" is new ground. Your apparent proclivity for rushing to judgement is another.  &mdash;Lifeisunfair 08:01, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * And it was already noted to take a reply to the "new ground" to Splash's talk page. So, do you have anything constructive to add regarding the RfA or are you just trolling?  (and yes, the response to this should be to MY talk page, in case you were wondering)  --Kbdank71 11:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

The sad fact is that the RFA process prefers people who do not engage controversial or contested topics, leaving these to vandals and trolls. I am glad that some people still do the tedious and unrewarded work like cleaning up categories. Thanks. Pavel Vozenilek 19:49, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

As you're well aware, I posted precisely one reply to another user on this page. You requested that I refrain from doing so, and I've complied (even when Kbdank71 posted a reply to me here). Therefore, I don't know why you claimed that I have been "continuing to reply to other users on [your] discussion page."

Were you attempting to discredit me by deliberately conveying false information? If not, why haven't you issued a retraction?

And out of curiosity, why was it perfectly okay for Kbdank71 to reply to another user on this page?

(For the record, this is the first time that I've ever addressed you via a talk page message that wasn't a direct reply to a message that you posted on my talk page.) —Lifeisunfair 21:55, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

First, I am not sure, are you stating this from what Pavel Vozenilek had posted on my talk page? I merely thanked him for voting on my Rfa, his comments were his own and not spurred by anything I said. If not, the only other remarks I made about you continuing to reply, was I believe about your responses to me responding directly to other users on my Rfa. I have not further continued to discuss anything with you or anyone else, so I am curious at why you bring this up again.

I was not trying to discredit anyone, I stated what a summary of what occurred, and gave each user involved the opportunity to preview everything for themselves. I have the right to respond to users comments, concerns or questions on my Rfa.

I also said in our discussion, that I didn't necessarily mind the further discussion on my page, what I did not appreciate was you continually to defend/offend/etc. the 3RR with other users on my discussion page. So I kindly asked you to take your conversation to their page, as you had already made your point clear to me, and I no longer wished to continue to discuss it with you.

I did not reply to you on my Rfa when I addressed a users comment, I replied to them, whether or not your name or other users names were mentioned, did not mean I was addressing you, only answering a concern to the user who asked it. So therefore you did reply when not directly responded to. As it is, I have been attempting to move on from the situation and again have not even discussed you with other users if they mentioned it. I am attempting to continue with my daily routine. I am sorry if this does not address your concerns or questions fully, but I feel I have nothing else to discuss with you on this topic. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 22:15, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Who's comments on RFA
with Redwolf24
 * Hi, I just wanted to express to you, personally, that I do not mean any disrespect to you for my comments on your RFA. I just personally feel you could use more time working on more parts of Wiki, than just user talk pages.  I feel this is very commendable, welcoming users, and discussing things, but administration comes with a bit of experience too, and if you do not participate in larger areas, you won't have the necessary experience in those areas. I although, have seen you on some VFD's and work on some other articles. This is just my opinion, and I hope is not offensive.  I also do not think two people should nominate each other, but this is a personal topic, and didn't need mentioning, as there would be a consensus vote anyways.  I wish you good luck with your RFA, and hope you heed some of my suggestions.  Thank you.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  02:20, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah I thought there'd be a backlash about people nominating eachother. But hey, why not. And all I have to say is this, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight tooth and nail for your right to say it." -Voltaire. Happy editing and with respect, Redwolf24 02:23, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for understanding, and if for some reason you don't make it this time, which I doubt you won't (as in you will make it "double negative" :) ); I would be happy to vote for you in the future.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  02:26, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * No problem. You should've seen Romania recently, a user wrote something along the lines of FUCK ROMANIA ROMANIA SUCKS ROMANIA WILL DIE and no one reverted it! I saw it after it was listed under speedy deletion >.< Anyways I reverted it and then the anon called me a cumstain. Ah well. And by the way I replied at the RfA, but I want this part to be amplified I hope you've recovered from that motorcycle accident. With respect, Redwolf24 02:33, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Hold up there...
I always thought you were an admin. I was just searching old admin things when I saw that you didnt have a page there. Now that I see that, I notice theres no reference to being an admin, despite the fact that you have over 7000 edits. Please, allow me to nominate you? Redwolf24 02:59, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Yea, I'm getting there, no more pain killers, so can edit clearly now. I saw your note, sorry I wasn't precise, I did a poor mental tally by scrolling through your contribs, it was pretty close, I even thought about changing the note, but honestly thought I put "half" and not "over half" :).


 * You know, I get that a lot, "I thought you were an admin..". Thank you for the offer, I don't want to hurt yours or Essjay's RFA, so I think it would be better for you both, if you didn't nominate anyone right away.  I'll eventually get noticed, when that time comes, I hopefully will have unaminous (sp) support, although I do have some stressful discsussions with some other users, nothing bad. I have a lot of edits, only because I enjoy organizing, I am not a good article creator either, I'm better at "admin" type stuff, but you dont have to be an admin to do it. Thanks for noticing.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  03:08, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Err, I guess I took too long to respond. :) Thanks for the RFA. I hope it does not effect yours with other users.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  03:12, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Well crap then, you better go turn down my nomination at RfA..
 * Look, I'd rather have you be an admin than I. Sounds like a load of crap there doesn't it? Nah. You would use the tools MUCH better than I. I can NOT believe you haven't been nominated yet. Here's hoping you make it :) Redwolf24 03:15, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Not really sure how that would look for me or you, I think its probably better for me to accept, as you only intended it in good faith. Thanks again. And never doubt yourself as a candidate, you have worked hard on doing the things you have done so far on Wiki.  My comments were merely guidelines, as I did wait for you to have votes, before making them.  Thats why I specifically stated that it was not to be taken negatively.  You will make a good admin, I just hope you take the time to go through more of the facets of Wiki, before you get thrown into them in a conflict.  Thanks again.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  03:22, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * well, what're you waiting for, go accept!! Redwolf24 03:20, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Looking for the right wording, and answers to all the questions first. :)  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  03:29, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * For pronoun's sake, you are a woman right? Essjay referred to you as she so I assume you are a female. I've been stepping over what sex you are by just saying "this user" etc. So which are you, for the sake of pronouns? Redwolf24 03:32, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hehe. I am male. The name, as stated on User:Who, is just reference to my Ojibwa given name, and its funny because its ambigous. I guess I missed Essjays reference.  I have a page I have to show you later on dealing with these blunder issues :)  I placed your banner on my userpage, thanks for asking, but that sort of thing isnt necessarily rude, same with barnstars.  Thanks, working on my temp page for the RFA before I post it.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  03:37, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, you'd better get hopping, because you already have four support votes! (And I am denying any involvement in a mass admin-nomination scheme.) By the way, Hi, Red, I'm here! -- Essjay ·  Talk 03:41, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yea, didn't mean to imply that you were, per say, I just hope no one else see's it that way. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  04:29, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * K, got that settled. yes I stick barnstars on pages often but your page is so organized I didnt wanna stick a banner smack there on the top :-P Your RfA (As well as mine and Essjay's [like we need it ;)]) is in my prayers. Redwolf24 03:43, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Organized?? Heh, I think it needs more structure personally :) &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  04:15, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes you're here and causing me edit conflicts, jerk :-P Redwolf24 03:43, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, go shove it, you know my edits are more important that yours anyway! ; - ) -- Essjay ·  Talk 03:47, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, took some time, but I responded, just had to find all the appropriate links and such. Thanks. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 04:15, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Hello old friend
Essjay nominated me for Admin. Vote me in (or not) Requests for adminship/Redwolf24 Redwolf24 01:54, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Gender benders
Hi, thought I would make a new section, for ease of reading and discussion. Here is the link I told you about. Spivak pronoun, when you get into those gender specific areas, some people, and I stress some, understand these. I often get into that same situation, sometimes I just put a link to their username/userpage in order to work around it :) Hope that helps, or is educational if you already didn't know them.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  04:28, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

List of Veterans Affairs medical facilities
with Everyking
 * Hi, thanks for the extensive disambig work on the article. For some reason, I thought I had them all finished or mostly finished.  Loong list, and lots of edits.  Thanks again.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  23:51, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, no problem, I can only stand to do a bit at the time, though, very tedious...I'll go finish it up now, I think. Everyking 00:02, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

FOX News page protection
with Ilyanep
 * Hi, this article has been blocked for close to a month. I understand the original need for the protection, due to constant revert warring. The editors should reach a consensus on the talk page, and make approprtiate edits based on the their consensus. Since it has been a month, removing protection, and letting them make their own edits seems like a more practical and fair decision. As it is, I have no interest in the page, just need to change the category to Category:United States television networks. However, I personally do not feel a page should be protected for that long. IMHO Thank you.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  23:32, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Categories
with Hiding
 * Sorry to hear you are injured. Hope you get better soon, and when you do you might like to check out WikiProject Categories, which I found whilst cleaning out inactive wikiprojects, and I was surprised you weren't a member since I've seen you do a lot of work on categories, so I figured I'd mention it.  Anyway, all the best. Hiding 07:34, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, just a bit bruised and scratched, asphault isn't the nicest fluffy pillow its laid out to be :)  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?

Wow, I probably would have been a member sooner, if I had known about it, I'm glad you did mention it. I'll be back on in a day or two, and I see there is a long list of categories to be "hammered into shape". Thanks for taking the time to mention it. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 08:12, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Glad to be of service, glad to hear you're okay, and you're welcome. Hiding 08:48, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Accident
with Essjay, Kbdank71, Redwolf24, & 66.32.11.231
 * Horrified to hear you were in an accident, and wishing you a speedy recovery and a rapid return to us. You're in our my prayers. (I forgot my mantra: Do not project your faith onto others. Sorry, all.) -- Essjay ·  Talk 14:51, July 13, 2005 (UTC)


 * Ditto (except the prayer thing). Did the other driver stop?  --Kbdank71 15:06, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the message. I'm mostly fine, scratches, bruises, strained muscles... My bike did a lot in keeping me from getting to banged up. And of course, the Jeep didn't stop, just got over long enough to pass a car, about hit me, and then go back in his lane to make a right turn. Ce la vi. I didn't mind the "religious gesture", I understand it's the underlying concern beneath it; and it wasn't specific with who or whom the prayers were to :).  Thanks again, I'll probably be back in a few days, so wore out from it all, and pain pills dont help in that reguard.  Salut.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  21:56, 13 July 2005 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome; as I told Kbdank71, I'll direct my prayers to Almighty Jimbo who art in Meta... Here's a field of get-well-soon flowers, and I hope you're feeling better soon! -- Essjay ·  Talk 23:24, July 13, 2005 (UTC)


 * Unstrike that, you are in OUR prayers. Redwolf24 04:01, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks, sorry I didn't get back and thank you earlier, been off and on slightlly, pain killers make u see funny things, and not see things you should. Unfortunately, your message was masked by "Bart", ugh. But thanks for the concern, getting lot better, bruised bones, but none broken. Now to get my bike fixed. Salut.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  23:41, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that my biographer was injured. Those disabled veterans on those motorcycles...

I hope that you understand how close you could have came to death, and that it was God's plan that you were not killed. Ergo, had you been killed, that would also have been God's work. I hope that you will take this second chance that you have been given to soften your heart to God's Word. Please, the next time that the Westboro Baptist Church is in your area, ride your motorcycle on down to the picket and hold a sign.

You've fought for this filthy nation - now let's see you fight for God!

With Kindest Regards,

Bart McQueary add real sig 66.32.11.231 &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?

I wasn't the biographer, much less even add anything to the article, just thought it bias to delete on premise of hate. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?
 * Now this was the kind of message that, again is understandable, but definately too forward with religous convictions. I will not remove it, as that would be rude, but please ask that, if you wish to include me in your prayers, not to do so in such a religion specific manner. Anyways, back to bed. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  04:39, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * ''Ugh, I removed this my talk page, but kept here for accurate logging (unsigned). &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  23:44, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

What? You expect me to pray to some fat Asian fag setting on his ass? Or maybe you want me to say a prayer to an old pedophile who started a religion that's idea of Heaven is an adulterous orgy? You ought to be happy that I'm not praying to God Almighty to fling your miserable soul into Hell - which will most likely be the end result anyway. 66.32.11.231

your signature
with Cyberjunkie
 * Hi, I just wanted to let you know that you may want to check your signature in preferences. I think it is missing </ b>, after the last font tag. See WP Req for Admin revision.  All the text after your signature was reduced, including the edit tabs.  Was weird there for a minute, till I figured it out. I tried to recreate the malfunction, but it seemed to only happen every once in awhile. If I can recreate it, I'll send you a screenshot. Salut.  &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  06:10, 13 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Screenshots ;) Image:Cyberjunkie wikipage error1.png & Image:Cyberjunkie wikipage error2.png   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  06:20, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I didn’t notice the tag was incomplete or that it was causing such problems for Wikipedia. I must admit, the example you showed me is quite bizarre – who’d of thunk it!? Anyways, I was growing tired of having a formatted signature (and I’m over the whole flag thing), so I have changed back to a more common “username and talk” version, thus rectifying the problem. Thanks again for taking the time to let me know (and for providing screenshots!). --Cyberjunkie | Talk 06:38, 13 July 2005 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome. I think it only did it in rare circumstances, I had to dig through pages to figure out where it forced the change.  I really did like your sig tho.   &infin; Who ? &iquest; ?  06:43, 13 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I've got it recorded if I ever decide to return to it - I'll be sure to include the final </b> next time.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 06:45, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Vandalizing user_talk pages
with JacksonBrown in reference to WP:ANI
 * I do not appreciate you wiping my user_talk page. I don't do it to you


 * Just to let you know on this, I have blocked him for being disruptive and a nuisance. There is no reason for him to make those edits to his user or talk page. You have my full support in removing/reverting pointless additions like that, wherever they are. Talrias (t | e | c) 10:51, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


 * He was a GNAA troll...No need for you to apologize to him for anything! Thanks for being a diligent and good faith contributor! -- Essjay ·  Talk 10:52, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

editing user page
I do appologize for blanking your userpage, however it seemed very innapropriate, and made portions of the page unusable. I am very adament about editing users pages, and only did so out of extreme. If you wish to take it up with an administrator at a later time, then I encourage you to do so. Thank you. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 10:51, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

User:JacksonBrown
Hi, I responded to your post on WP:ANI, I just wanted to say that I realize blanking the users page, probably was not a good idea, seeings I am not an admin. I thought of a way it could be done, and tested it, was more concerned about wiki being hacked, and wanted to assist. I provided all the info on ANI, I'm sure you have seen it by now. However, if it is deemed fit that I be blocked for inappropriate user page editing, I understand. BTW, he contacted me about it as well. Thanks. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 10:39, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Good point, I actually thought of that, after I hit save.  Mainly because you were the main admin handling it, and sometimes it seems my comments get ignored on ANI (probably just my "paranoia" :) ). I wanted to give a personal heads up I suppose.  Thanks for replying.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  11:04, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Um... I'm not an admin :) That's why I only reported it, otherwise I'd have dealt with it myself and then listed it. But it's the thought that counts... heheheh... :) GarrettTalk 11:10, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

There is absolutely no reason why anything should happen to you over this. That guy was a troll, and I'll testify about it to Almighty Jimbo himself. You were doing the right thing, and frankly, you deserve a barnstar for it; there, you have one. Keep up the good work. (Oh, and if you want one, you can have a vandal whacking stick too.) -- Essjay ·  Talk 11:05, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the barnstar, I hope there isn't a speech. :)  <> Who ? &iquest; ?  11:17, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Don't worry, there's no speech, unless they unblock JacksonBrown, in which case there's likely to be hate speech... -- Essjay ·  Talk 11:16, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

question about image
with HoneyBee
 * hi, how do i make an image appear smaller? or maybe can you help me with this article about the highlander series, thanks...''

When you use the image tag, you can put "thumb" and then the size, like "150px", for example. You can experiment with the number of pixels to make it bigger or smaller. Here is an example of how it would look.

Also, see: Extended image syntax, for other ways to use the image tag.

question about deleting an article
hi, thank for your help about the image size. the help page is pretty confusing, and you made it easier. thanks. i just wanna ask whether people can just delete other people's article...because mine is just been deleted... i tried to do according to the rules and regulations like copyright, images, links and all. but if other people can just delete other articles, that would be a waste of time, right? i don't mind if people editing, their contribution would be appreciate it. but if they just going to delete the whole thing, why bother writing an article? i know you've been in this wikipedia thing a long time than me, is there anything i should know about making an article? thanks. your help has been great. HoneyBee 07:41, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, which article was it? I dont think it will show up in your contribs, if it was deleted. But, NO, any normal user cannot delete your article.  It either got speedy deleted (admin only), or it got put on votes for deletion.  If you give me the name of it, I can look.


 * Also, part of the reason I welcome people, is some of the links provided, have topics on how to create and edit articles. I should probably go through it and make sure all the links are clear and helpful.   I dont mind helping you find any information on article editing/style, I learned mostly by just looking at the code others used, and of course the sandbox.  Get back to me with the name of that other article, and we'll go from there.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  07:48, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: the article is Duncan MacLeod -- it seems they are trying to edit the page, but by erasing the most part... if there is a vote for deletion, will the normal user be notify? because english is my second language, i try to be as careful as possible in making an article. thanks.

Duncan MacLeod
Hi, I looked at its history, and only one other person edited the article, besdies yourself. If you look here, it seems you accidentally deleted a section when you saved. This happens sometimes, jsut becareful, but you can always go back to a previous saved version by using history.

It hasn't been put on Vfd, or you would have seen a large banner (see this Vfd for example) on the top. And, yes, If it does get put on Vfd, all users have the opportunity to vote.

You mentioned English is not your first language? Have you been to the other language sites of Wikipedia? Not that I don't want you here :), just want to make sure you know of the several languages that Wiki is in. I'm going to look at the links I provided at the top in the welcome, and get back with you later with some possible good help topics on editing.  By the way, you can put brackets   , anywhere on wiki, to point to an article on wiki.  Duncan MacLeod.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  08:12, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you from Magic Fan
with MagicFan
 * Hello Who,


 * I only just realised you sent me a message... new to all this. Thanks for that.  I am having problems with one of my new pages.  I put up an article about some magicians I saw in Australia (on TV) and my article is being voted off by all these North Americans who obviously haven't heard of them.  None of them are really offering any constructive criticism, just trying to get my article deleted.  Quite frustrating given that I looked up all the info and had to read a zillion pages on Wikipedia to try and figure out how to make the article.  I have also done quite a few edits to try and appease the masses only to get slagged off again.  Could you please have a look for me and make suggestions to change it?  It is The Magic Dudes.  There are a stack of other Australian magicians I would like to add, but not if I am going to cop all this flack from North of the equator.


 * Cheers,


 * MagicFan

Your welcome note and Vfd
Hi, your welcome, for the "welcome note", I enjoy greeting new users, as it makes most feel welcome, and I provide a good list of links and topics, to try to make it easier to navigate Wikipedia.

As for the VFD (Votes for Deletion) on your article. I am sorry that I have to agree with the its deletion, at this time. I made a note, on my vote, explaining the reasoning.

Copy of comment from Vfd:
 * I reviewed all the info I could find on the subject, unfortunately, it's mostly self-promotion, that I found on the web, links on shopping sites pointing to their "unused" website. If at some time in the future, these guys become syndicated, then it may warrant an article. There is not enough information or content to support an article for a public broadcast channel show. As for the socketpuppets, I kind of feel bad, new user, getting their first article Vfd'd, and asking friends to help. Hard way to learn, but hopefully with more time on Wiki, will learn the rules and develop some good research and editing skills. I remain at delete. 

I hope that explains mine, and others standpoint on the issue. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, as I would be glad to help. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 20:30, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Adding a pic
with Warlock2
 * Hey again, I was thinking of using this pic of Lazlo on the Camp Lazlo article. Can you do it for me, please? Use this one instead of that other pic with the description "Lazlo from Camp Lazlo" in it.

Hi, I added the image you requested. Normally, it is not a good idea to use images from other websites, unless it is clear on the copyright of the image. This one is a screenshot, so is fair use. If you wish to upload images and use them yourself, on the left side of the screen, there is an upload link. It contains all the information you need to upload, use the image tag, and add the appropriate copyright tags. Here is what the code looks like for that image.

Also, it is helpful for you to sign your comments on talk pages. You can do so by using  which would sign your name, or ~, which would put your name and timestamp, like the one at the end of my comments.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 20:45, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. Yeah, I'm new to Wikipedia, so this is my first time around here. Once again, thanks for the help. --Warlock2 21:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen
with Jnc
 * Hi, I wondered why this wansnt showing up on my watchlist. It has been blocked since 20 June. I think some of the dispute has died down, and request you remove the protection. Thanks  <> Who ? &iquest; ?  04:33, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Done. Noel (talk) 18:15, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the unprotection, of course, my luck, the same user went back to blanking the talk page, I already reported it on WP:AIV. Just thought I would let you know, I kinda feel bad now :) .  <> Who ? &iquest; ?  03:21, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I just handed the /24 that did the latest blank a 100-day block. I'll do the same to the other two blocks this person has used (216.76.221.0/24 and 216.76.219.0/24) if they do it from there, too. Noel (talk) 04:09, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, aren't we going abit over board here? I mean, blocking 3x256 IP's from editing the wikipedia for 100 days because the Ashley twins talk-page is being blanked once a week? I can't possibly know the whole story here. Shanes 04:27, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi again, I think you left the message on my page by accident, or you just wanted a duplicate copy. I am not an admin, so I couldn't block someone, the original discussion is here. Thanks.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  04:32, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

User:216.76.220.192
with Shanes
 * (Except for an (accidental?) talk-page blanking, I don't see any recent vandalism here. Your polite warning for the blanking should do for now.)

Thats ok by me, right now. I kind of feel bad, as I was the one that requested the page be unblocked today, as I fealt users may want to add to it. Of course, the same day, same user blanks the talk page. I just hope it doesnt become a revert war again, its sad to have to block pages, or users for that matter. Thanks. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 03:52, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: anon-blanking
I don't think you should feel bad about that. It had been locked for a very long time, and this is a wiki after all. I don't know the whole story on that article, but from what I could see on the talkpage-history, someone is blanking it now and then or something, but also making edits to the article over which there has been disputes. And people are getting upset, which is of course unfortunate. But I don't think locking or range-blocking is the way to go here. A sometimes blanked Aslhley-twins talkpage isn't the end of the world, I must say, and restoring it takes a lot less work than I sense people there are spending getting upset over it. Not that talk-page blanking should be excused, but sometimes just silently reverting and moving on is the prefered thing to do, and really quite a small price to pay for having a wiki.

But if this gets much more ugly and frequent blanking/vandalism/revert-waring from an IP-range makes the article really suffer, a WP:RFC or something like that could be in order. But not now, IMO. Shanes 04:20, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I actually loathe the idea of range blocking, the idea that it may and will block legitimate users from accessing Wiki, bothers me. I have no personal interest in the article, I have worked on it and made proposals for its change, but not necessarily invested in it.  I do think its silly to blank a page, continously, and a talk page really isn't worth a war.  It was really my first chance to actually, attempt ;) to make a difference  by reporting constant vandalism, I just hope that my note, rather than the test4 note, convinces them to stop.  Thanks for replying.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  04:26, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Olsen twins

 * I saw that the anon blanked the page again (clearly some people won't take a hint, even when applied with a clue-by-four). So the rest of the range they were using (216.76.221.0/24 and 216.76.218.0/24) has been included.


 * If you didn't really want to archive the Talk: page (it was only 54K or so, not very large), let me know and I'll move it back (you can't, the replacement now has edit history). Noel (talk) 17:43, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Yea, I really didn't want it archived, still had things in discussion, was just hoping it would actually do some good, seeing this some of the discussion was about him. If you don't mind, you can move it back, now that you have the rest of his ip range blocked. Thanks. &infin; Who ? &iquest; ? 20:49, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, will do. Noel (talk) 20:53, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for doing the category moving/renaming
with Wernher
 * ...of Category:Individual computers  into Category:One-of-a-kind computers. :-) In that regard, I wondered if you could please point me towards the particular wikibot (code) carrying out the traversing of the categorized articles and the category marker replacements? I'm trying to learn wikibot programming (eventually hoping to 'graduate' to a higher level of existence as a Wikipedian), so a concrete example would come in handy. Thanks, --Wernher 03:12, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Not a problem, I have a "thing" for organizing cat's :) <> Who ? &iquest; ?

I actually do not run a bot yet. I have considered it, just have not got around to doing so. See Bots, it is full of resources of bots, code, and the bots that are currently running. Most of the users on there may be able to help you better. Also, see: pywikipediabot, it is the software that most users use. Hope that helps. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 03:17, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Pointed me in the right direction. --Wernher 03:27, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Template:Steven Spielberg's films
with Dragons flight
 * As the result of a dispute over its previous TFD, the template showing Spielberg's films has been folded into a discussion of similar templates and renominated for deletion. I am contacting everyone who voted on the original TFD so that they will have another chance to make sure their opinion is heard.

The new vote is here.

Dragons flight 01:32, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

On first?
with Radiant
 * I'm sure you get this a lot, but please read the recent talk page exchange between me and Howabout1 :) Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 20:56, July 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok. I'll do that in a second. By the way, I knew I've welcomed a few people, but who told you about my welcoming? Howabout1 Talk to me! 20:44, July 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, he did. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 20:48, July 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * What, I asked you who, not if a specific person did. Was it user:Who? Howabout1 Talk to me! 20:51, July 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * Indeed. And what's on second. :) Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 20:54, July 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * I Don't Know's on third.
 * Nope, actually first time on Wiki :) too funny. <> Who ? &iquest; ?  23:54, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Moving pages
with Category
 * Hi, please see Naming conventions before moving any more pages. The pages you are moving have been established for some time.  In addition, you are creating them with all caps and special characters in the name. This is not a standard practice, and should be avoided in general.  Thank you.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  13:43, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

''Sorry, those names are registered trademarks. Category 13:52, 10 July 2005 (UTC)''


 * I understand that, and it is stated on the article. It is just better to keep special characters (&copy;) and all capital titles from title names, as it makes searching and using the article easier.  The articles were actually created some time ago, and have been edited many times. Moving pages can be a big deal, sometimes it is better to mention it on the talk page or list it on Requested moves if you feel it must be renamed/moved.  Thanks for your contributions though.    <> Who ? &iquest; ?  13:58, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Stubs
with Mr. Delayer
 * Hi, thanks for contributing. I just wanted to let you know that there are different stub types, to help categorize the articles that need work properly.  You can see a list of them different types here: WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types.  Thanks again.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  10:30, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Requests
with User talk:172.144.248.31 a reply to Category talk:Wikipedia requested images
 * I would like to request a page showing, in-depth, how to make a request for things, as I cannot figure it out. Move this to wherever is appropriate. 08:30, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * See Requested pictures for a detailed instruction list on requesting pictures. You may also want to look at Category:Wikipedia requests, which shows a number of "Wikpedia requests" of different types. If you would like an article created then see Requested articles.  Hope that helps.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  08:34, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Template talk:Lived
with Docu
 * you just listed it there stating nothing links to it !

I did not mean it in that manner, I meant no articles link to it, as to say it's not in use. To list to identical templates on the talk page, even though one is a redirect, is pointless. Users may end up using Template:Lifespan instead of Template:Lifetime. Rather than have them use a template that redirects to another template, I removed it from the documentation. Even if Template:Lifespan does not get deleted, it really shouldn't be listed as usage if it only redirects to the one listed next to it. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 06:53, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I generally agree with your reasoning (e.g. suggest to use disambig, but not dab which redirects), but as it's a usage with "subst:", it doesn't matter. Obviously, if it ends up being deleted, we can remove it. -- User:Docu

I had already made a note on the talk page, before I realized you replied. I don't think it will get deleted, as i forgot about Redirects are cheap. Maybe using the example you have above, instead of suggesting use of both, would be more appropriate. Thanks. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 07:06, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Major cities in North Dakota
with Alexwcovington
 * :I have to agree with Gene; that statement was dense. A little more background below. --Alexwcovington (talk) 05:00, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Although you recanted your statement, I still had time to read it. As I stated on the CFD, I have not been disruptive, rude or demeaning to anyone on Wiki. My comment was just to lighten the mood on Cfd, as it can be a tedious process when working with so many categorization schemes. It had nothing to do with my vote in general, and I usually always comment on my vote when I feel there is more to be said about the discussion. I realize that it may seem personal to some people, especially if you have any invested interest in the category in question, if I had meant it to be a sly comment, I would have not included the ) smiley.  I did not mean for the vote to not be taken seriously as per the coment I made.  I am now going to read the message you left me earlier and go back through your proposals, I just wanted to get this part over with first.  Thank you.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  06:06, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Please forgive my original comment. I had yet to make a decision how to proceed under the circumstances, and my first instincts were to get defensive. --Alexwcovington (talk) 06:08, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I do not personally hold anything against you for the comment, and understand that it was a defensive gesture, as was the reasoning for its removal. I hope that I did not offend you further by responding to it.

As for the current Cfd, I just added a comment about the reasoning behind my decision. It was more on keeping a standard structure in the current schema of Category:Cities in the United States. The "Major" part is ambiguous, and could lead people to add/remove cities to it in the future, for what the y "feel" is major. I have no objection to the design of the template, and feel it does a good job at dividing the sections. Just don't feel that a sub-cat is warranted at this time, for just large and small cities. I am not an expert, just trying to keep a uniform and disambiguous category structure.

Thank you for your responses and understanding. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 06:26, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I can understand your comment at CFD, but I'd raise issue with the idea that there is no differentiation between city sizes. Most other states also have Towns in [state] and Villages in [state].  North Dakota, however, does not have this luxury, so this is an attempt to get back the same type of differentiation that other states have.  --Alexwcovington (talk) 06:28, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Ahh, I did miss seeing that in Category:Cities in the United States, I had to go back and look, and I do recall a previous Cfr on villages. I see your reasoning in the subdivisions. I would suggest renaming it "Large cities" and will adjust my comments on the Cfr. This way it will accomplish the same thing and get rid of the disambiguaty. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 06:33, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Large cities in North Dakota
I wouldn't mind a rename for the category, as long as something similar can be found acceptable. --Alexwcovington (talk) 06:54, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Quick Question
with Warlock2 In the Camp Lazlo series, is the voice of Raj suppose to be Rob Paulsen or Jeff Bennett? Thanks.
 * (note, user added then removed question, probably accidentally)

Hi, I see you were about to leave me a message, but reverted it. I am not quite sure about Camp Lazlo, but you can find out more at Cartoon Network Camp Lazlo Hope that helps. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 04:52, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Category:Cartoon Cartoons
with User talk:24.30.157.246
 * Please stop moving all the articles out of this category. It has been proposed for renaming, and you should have consulted the Categories for renaming article listed, before creating Category:Shows on Cartoon Cartoons. As such, I am reverting all of your edits to the effected categories.  <> Who ? &iquest; ?  01:09, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Category:Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network Studios cartoons and characters
Please stop moving articles to Category:Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network Studios series and characters as the current category Category:Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network Studios cartoons and characters is up for Cfr. Thank you. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 01:42, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Category:People by surname
with Kbdank71
 * Hi again. I removed the Cfr I placed on Category:Sobieski, as it seemed the consensus was to keep it, as a royalty family, part of one of my original exceptions. I am not sure what to do about Category:Howard, as there was comments on it being nobility and not royality, and no further comments on keep or delete. Any suggestions?  Thanks  <> Who ? &iquest; ?  23:46, 9 July 2005 (UTC)


 * You know, I remembered that this morning. I don't have a problem with leaving Sobieski and Howard, since there were reservations on deleting them.  --Kbdank71 16:16, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * k, I removed the Cfr on Howard. Thanks again.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  23:57, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Bank of Wikipedia Employee7
'with'' Hadal
 * Hi, thanks for the Rv's on my user pages by Bank of Wikipedia Employee7. Salut.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  9 July 2005 08:25 (UTC)

You're quite welcome; seems he's come back already as Bank of Wikipedia Employee9, but he was only able to get one edit through. I hesitated at reverting your talk page, but figured it best to do so considering its misleading content. (I see you keep a log of all convos anyway; that's a good idea.) Cheers, -- Hadal 9 July 2005 08:30 (UTC)

User talk:Who
with Bank of Wikipedia Employee7 Bank of Wikipedia Employee7 9 July 2005 08:16 (UTC)''
 * ''(You have been blocked because you have been judged as role account)

Please refrain from leaving such non-sense on my talk page. Thank you. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 9 July 2005 08:20 (UTC)

Cinema &rarr; Film actors
with RedWolf on CanisRufus talk
 * Hi, thanks for the bot assistance. Is there anyway to have CanisRufus keep the alphabetic name sorting portion.. ie , or do we have to re-edit all of them.  Oh, I just seen you did that particular one.  Thanks for the help again.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  8 July 2005 17:42 (UTC)
 * Yea, I noticed this myself after monitoring the bots changes. There seems to be a bug in the bot code where it doesn't keep the category sort key. I have manually applied the sort key to all the articles the bot changed. I have stopped the bot from making further changes and looks like another bot will need to continue this task due to a technical issue in trying to fix the problem. RedWolf July 8, 2005 18:32 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the earlier assistance though, some is better than none ;).  <> Who ? &iquest; ?  9 July 2005 06:41 (UTC)

User:Michael999
with Mel Etitis
 * Could you supply proper diffs for your 3RR report? You've instead provided links to four versions of the article, which isn't very helpful.  To provide a diff, go into the page history, select the two versions between which the reversion was made, compare them, and record the URL (as, for example: 09:50, 7 July 2005). --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 7 July 2005 20:46 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that, doing it now. Thanks.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  7 July 2005 20:50 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for the heads up, rather than ignoring the malformed request.  <> Who ? &iquest; ?  7 July 2005 20:58 (UTC)

Vandalism
with Michael999
 * Please stop adding POV links on Hayden Christensen and Trevor Blumas. This kind of behaviour is considered disruptive, and you can possibly be banned temporarily. We encourage you to continue to make edits, as long as they are of a neutral point of view and not slanderous. Thank you.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  7 July 2005 12:32 (UTC)

Problem with image copyright
with Linnea
 * Hey, I wonder, could you help me with picture Image:Within Temptation.jpg with is clearly copyrighted. I just tagget it to be copyvio, but then I realized that this may not be the right tag fot this picture. You have here so much tags that it's pain to try find property tag. :) Linnea 7 July 2005 11:40 (UTC)


 * Hi, not a problem, for copyrighted images, you will find them at copyright violations. I have updated the tag for you, you were close, instead of , for images you would use  .  Then you add a note to the users talk page, directions for this are listed on the copyright page I mentioned above.  Hope that is helpful.  <> Who ? &iquest; ?  7 July 2005 11:52 (UTC)

Images
with Copperchair
 * I just provided the licensing information. Thanks for the heads-up. Copperchair 7 July 2005 05:02
 * Image:Emperor Palpatine DVD Empire Strikes Back.jpg does not have any information on its page about the source of the image. Copperchair 7 July 2005 05:00 (UTC)
 * It looks as though it was a screenshot, I think the same is about Image:The Emperor.JPG. Not a problem, just wanted to let you know about proper tagging. Thanks for the response.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  7 July 2005 05:10 (UTC)

Editing users talk pages
Hi again. Its not really appropriate to remove content from other users talk pages. If you wish to clear yours, that is your decision. You are more than welcome to add a discussion, or to edit typo's in your previous discussions, as long as you do not remove it. Thanks. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 7 July 2005 05:17 (UTC)


 * My mistake. Sorry! Copperchair 7 July 2005 05:19 (UTC)

Image contributions
with PetSounds
 * Hi, thanks for all of your helpful image contributions. Please see Image copyright tags, for how to properly tag your images with a copyright tag.  I have added  to some of your recent uploads.  You can use that tag and  for albums and DVDs, respectively.  Thanks again.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  7 July 2005 02:41 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I'm new here and I'm still learning my way around.... Cheers. PetSounds 7 July 2005 02:51 (UTC)


 * Glad to help.  <> Who ? &iquest; ?  7 July 2005 02:53 (UTC)

Welcoming
with Radiant
 * Hi there! Since this seems to be a frequently asked question, would you mind adding a link to Merge to your welcoming template? Yours, Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; July 5, 2005 12:09 (UTC)

I don't mind at all, how does this version look User:Who/W1? I wasn't sure about the wording. <> Who ? &iquest; ? 5 July 2005 18:32 (UTC)


 * Sounds good! I've also fixed welcome. Would you know of any others (possibly in userspace)? Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; July 6, 2005 11:38 (UTC)

<> Who ? &iquest; ? 6 July 2005 18:24 (UTC)
 * Here's a few that I have found, of course theres the standard ones other than welcome like welcome2, welcome3, etc.. listed on the welcome committee page.
 * User:Neutrality/Welcome (borrowed mine from here)
 * Template:Sj-welcome (although this one should be userfied)
 * User:Alphax/Welcome
 * User:Imaglang/Welcome
 * Template:CJwelcome (another that should probably be userfied)
 * User:Howabout1/welcome
 * User:Plato/Welcome
 * User:Defunkt/WelcomeMessage
 * User:Jfdwolff/Welcome
 * User:Andrevan/welcome
 * Template:LDSWelcome (Latter Day Saints welcome message)
 * User:Rdsmith4/Boilerplate (not sure if they copy/paste this or just example)
 * User:Sam Spade/Welcome

VP gallery example
with Dunc
 * Hi, I am very adamant about not changing other peoples edits, so I wanted to inform you that I made a slight change to your example, just to make the page easier to read. Gallery example on VP.  I hope you don't mind, as I also left a note to rv if it was not liked.  Thanks.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  4 July 2005 02:28 (UTC)

What does cfd mean ????
with MutterErde
 * Hi ,


 * 04:24, 1 July 2005 Who rmv Category:Big-bust models and performers as per Cfd

Just curious.MutterErde 1 July 2005 12:20 (UTC)

btw.: when Angela Melini has no big bust, no woman has a ( natural ) big bust.:-)


 * Hi, Cfd is Categories for deletion, its where categories are discussed, and decided to be, kept, deleted, renamed, etc.. This particular categories Cfd, can be found here.  I hope that answers all of you questions.  Feel free to ask if you have any more.   <> Who ? &iquest; ?  1 July 2005 17:50 (UTC)


 * OK. Thank you.:-) Greetings from Berlin MutterErde 1 July 2005 18:11 (UTC)


 * Your quite welcome.  <> Who ? &iquest; ?  4 July 2005 22:31 (UTC)