User:WikiSceptic/Of Sects & Cults

Of Sects & Cults
Dear Sir, - It is with great pleasure that I saw your edits to the "Church of the Holy Family in Malibu" page, which, minor though they are, have entire rationalized it (as of now) and removed from it the sweet savor' of Wikipedian imbecility, malice and mendacity that has been insistently conferred upon it, nay, even had motivated its very creation.

I had been planning to write on this entry, in a similar vein as my Diary note, "Dr. Goebbels, I presume?" in reaction to the Naga (people) page. For the moment, until inevitably another precocious denizen of the jungles of Wikisylvania returns it to being the propaganda piece for imbecility, malice and mendacity that it was (these three being some of the very many of the united flavors of Wikipedia), I could consider that I have no need to, hopefully, write out the thoughts that have been agitating me over this entry.

However, as I have already remarked, it is a question, not of if, but of when, before aforesaid precocious faunoid(s) returns said article to its "original flavor and savor", so that I would like to set out these thoughts of mine.

I had occasion, in my previous Wikipedian avatar, too, to object to this article, and had finally changed it to remove the lies and slanders that it is constructed to "'verify'", but I had noticed that it had, as a matter of course, Amen!, been reverted to being the same generous dispensary of humbug for which it was designed.

And that is that this community of "Sedevacantists", somehow or the other, constitutes, horror of horrors, a "sect".

I am willing to wager a judicious bet that the initiator(s) of the aforesaid piece of delight would be a NewCon Katlick, one of that immense horde, which, like in Australia, falls all over itself to procure the services of Mel Gibson, producer of NewCon-dom's fave icon, the The Passion of the Christ flick and purported main protagonist of this fabulous "sect" in order to strengthen Australian NewCon-dom, yet is also more than eager to slander, without the slightest shred of justification, Mr. Gibson as a heresiarch and sectarian!

NewCon is motivated by little more than an overpowering malice and labors diligently to slander and misrepresent the Catholic, or as we are otherwise called, "Sedevacantists"!

[I note that, although you are one who confesses submission to the Darwinist-Roman Modernist Fr. Ratzinger, you do not exhibit symptoms of suffering from NewConism; this is very commendable. ]

When I had raised an objection in my previous avatar, I had pointed out that aforesaid "indicted" community of Malibu had never articulated the ambition of constituting itself an independent community, but saw itself as (somewhat akin to a "parish) belonging within the much larger community of "Sedevacantists" (a misnomer, for there are several exclusive schools, and Mel Gibson's father, along with his associates Gary Giuffe, Jim Condit, etc., constitute the "Sirianist" faction, which can meet the definition of a sect); and that, if this particular community distinguished in its identity, not by so much an opposition of belief as separated by geography from fellow-members (of the larger "Sedevacantist" community), meets the definition of constituting a sect, then so does each and every other particular community of "Sedevacantists", a long list of which is to be found in Fr. Morrison's Directory (Traditio.com).

This should have underlined the absurdity of the claims and notions upon which the very creation and existence of an entry Holy Family sect was / is premised, if only all of the kind gentlemen and ladies involved in the question of creating and sustaining it possessed even a modicum of honesty. But it was not to be so, and the entry continues to exist, although its name has been changed.

In my email exchanges with one of the many worthies that grace Wikipedia, I had pointed out much of the above and had also pointed out that no one of the very many Wikipedians had been moved to record the existence of a real and existent sect, the Spiritus Christi of Rochester, N.Y., U.S.A. presided over by Fr. James Callan, Mrs. Fr. Mary Rammerman, etc.

You will be delighted to note that despite the passage of quite a long time since I had pointed out this generous duplicity, there still did not exist even a ghost of a whisper on Wikipedia of any such thing as a Callanist sect or of a Spiritus Christi sect that could educate an uninformed public or that could counterbalance the entry on the mythical Holy Family sect, until I myself created the page on April 25, 2005! What a thunderous contrast this is; positively curdling the milk of human charity!

[Another wonderful page alleged the existence of a Militia Christi sect; after I took a hand in editing that page, that nonsense is also now thankfully over!]

Another of the later editors of the entry had inserted into it the qualification over the number of its members, as if number of members is relevant as a factor deciding whether or not a group of people constitute a sect or not!

To my mind, it is only the explicit, and sometimes, the too obvious implicit, intention of constituting oneselves into a separate, distinct and autocephalous group that truly constitutes the criteria by which a group can be said to be a sect. Size and number of members has nothing to do with it, but only have a bearing on its noteworthyness.

But enough of this subject. I have noted that you have made many valuable edits to entries, but that you yet remain anonymous. I would suggest that you register yourself as a user.

However, I would also suggest that you register, if you will, under the user name under which your edits presently appear, that is, 82.72.242.204, so that you get credit for your edits, and then, if you wish to, request the assistance of some admin in order to obtain a change of name to one more to your liking.

Thanking you, I am,

Yours truly,

WikiSceptic 05:19, 29 November 2005 (UTC) Detoxified Goan, a Goan patriot and a post-Sedevacantist or "Conclavist".

Answer
I was just trying to make Wikipedia a well-balanced encyclopedia concerning these articles. It is unfair to incriminate and insult one community, like the sedevacantists. I am myself a traditionalist Roman Catholic close to the SSPX, though attending an independent church staffed with - mostly - sedevacantist Lefebvre line priests. I think Neo-Conservative Catholics like the one who created this slander and calumny propaganda pamphlet article against sedevacantism, are irreasonable and themselves highly cultish in knocking down criticism not by sound arguments, but by slander, calumny and insults.

Yours faithfully, 82.72.242.204 19:34, 2 December 2005 (UTC)