User:Wikiencyc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations
I have added this on the list of external links:


 * A group forum website suggesting that there was a religious motive behind the moon hoax

There are various links showing but nothing about religion being a factor for the hoax. Surely this is important and probably the core motive for the hoax.

--Wikiencyc 22:19, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I had today added the following point to the Motive part:

"Religion - Western civilization historically has a religious basis. This past or present religious background of the people and countries that have led in space exploration has some similarity. Religion provides support for people personally but also binds people in other sectors for example in politics, entertainment, and media. There is historical evidence of links, alliances, and common agendas between Western government secret service agencies and Western religious bodies."

Not putting Religion here would be sheer ignorance.

--Wikiencyc 19:55, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't understand what you're getting at. That there was a religious motive to fake the landings? Or that there is a religious motive to believe they were faked? It seems like you might be trying to hint around about something to avoid offending someone. That's a noble goal, but I think you did your work too well.Tom harrison 20:52, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * "That there was a religious motive to fake the landings." The context of the other motives is also the same and this follows the same system. --Wikiencyc 19:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I read through some of the messages on the linked site as well. I'm not against including the link, but I'm still missing the point.Tom harrison 20:52, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The site was not linked to the motive, the site was in another section. --Wikiencyc 19:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * "Religion provides support for people personally but also binds people in other sectors for example in politics, entertainment, and media." I think this is probably true, but irrelevant. We might do better to leave this out. Tom harrison 20:52, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * This was in support of the point. If you like, I can add links - Politics & George W Bush, Entertainment & Mel Gibson, and Media & Christian Science Monitor. --Wikiencyc 19:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * This user has added this information before but it was removed by previous authors - and they were correct to do so in my opinion. This is completely unreferenced and a very general assertion - and a link to a Google discussion group does not count as a reference. I strongly believe this addition should be reverted.  --PhilipO 03:01, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I am sorry but I cannot understand when you say I have added this information on Wikipedia before and it was removed. This is not a factual or accurate comment.  Thus your opinion on that basis is also void.  I will put some references to show the links between Western secret service agencies and Western religious bodies - this will show you as the possible link to the moon hoax.  You would not have a NPOV if you reject these references that show that religion can also be a motive for the hoax.--Wikiencyc 19:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * It certainly is a factual statement. Look at the edit history for this article here --PhilipO 21:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I have looked at it and there is nothing factual about it - perhaps if you continue to insist you can copy and paste and detail the point in a nice way here. --Wikiencyc 23:02, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * So do you deny that you added the Google groups link on a previous occasion as the edit history shows above? Perhaps someone has hacked into your account! :-) --PhilipO 23:02, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Your point and was I added a particular item that was removed by someone else and you put a link to it - now you are changing your story about your accusation dishonestly. Obviously I put the Google Groups link, you can see that in this topic above.--Wikiencyc 23:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Fair enough - but my point was that you had put a reference to this motive before in the article (a link is a reference) and it was removed by other editors. Apologies if my originial assertion was unclear. --PhilipO 23:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I answered this but it disappeared without being put here. I tried to say that I am continuously saying to you and I am not going to repeat this that the Google Groups linked was not removed by editors.--Wikiencyc 00:45, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I concur. Joshuaschroeder 05:15, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I understand your opposition to the moon hoax and I see this from the article page with lengthy rebuttals to short / precis points. I should actually complain as to why the length of the rebuttal is more than point.  This is not fair from a math point of view - the quantity of the point and rebuttal should be the same for a NPOV.--Wikiencyc 19:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * So, what's stopping you? Delete it and tell its author to re-write in such a way that it actually makes a point of some kind. Wahkeenah 05:28, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I see that it has been deleted. I will put forward something else for you to agree with though I understand that things are not balanced.--Wikiencyc 19:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

--Wikiencyc 23:41, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Religion – Amongst the contemporary reported global themes in the media of Globalization, Global Empire, World Citizen, Global Civilization, Superpower, and Global Village, there are sensitive less reported global themes in the media of Religious Conversion, Religious Wars, and evidence of developing common agendas and operations between CIA, The Pentagon, Vatican and Opus Dei as published in  Mother Jones  and Rick Ross raises the question and suspicion  of religion being a possible motive for the moon hoax also causing the concept of Securalism and the separation of Church and State in the United States being challenged.  This paradoxical relationship is evident in the interesting  quote about the Christian Science Monitor, “The Monitor (or "CSM" as it is known in the intelligence community) is widely read by CIA and other intelligence agency analysts because of the newspaper's attention to accuracy and global perspective.”


 * .....your new addition, there isn't a single reference to Apollo or the Moon in the sources you referenced  so I still don't think they are relevant. They might be references for general conspriracy buffs, but I don't see anything that is particularly related to this article. Am I missing something here? Please show where these sources reference the Apollo program and why they should be included in this article. Cheers --PhilipO 23:34, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * In the Article if you do a search on the CIA, there is mention of their involvement. Take this hypothetical example - you have a train station called 'the CIA,' on his station there is track (#1) called 'CIA involvement in moon hoax' - now in the external links you have mention in Mother Jones and Rick Ross, commonly known sources, mentioning "common agendas" between CIA, The Pentagon and religious bodies - Vatican and Opus Dei.  So you have the track (#2) 'CIA, The Pentagon, Vatican, and Opus Dei.'


 * Please tell me why you cannot have both tracks (#1 and #2) on the CIA station? I am saying because both tracks are not only related to CIA but more importantly because of "common agendas" - anything can go into the agendas including the moon hoax because they are of "broad scope."  You are implying by saying that these "common agendas" are of "narrow scope" and limiting and not extending to the moon hoax - this is not NPOV and is against the evidence seen in Mother Jones and Rick Ross.


 * Thank you if you now understand.--Wikiencyc 00:28, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I have put this external website: Moon Wide Web about religion and moon.

--Wikiencyc 21:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_conspiracy_and_religion
A new page was added into Wikipedia. It has been given a structure with internal and external links. This is NPOV.

There was some lack of NPOV about religion being a factor in the moon landing hoax, by moon landings happened proponents, on the Wikipedia page about the Apollo moon landing hoax accusations, a few weeks ago and this is understandable.

With there being some indication to put religion as factor in a new way by those proponents, I have decided that a separate page is needed so that this important topic can be brought into view rather than being taken down or kept away from public view. Also this is a rather specialist topic and needs it own page. It gives a broad view albeit niche, to the moon landing hoax instead of a narrow view albeit mainstream, that can be argued as engineered, you see at Apollo moon landing hoax accusations. A fair NPOV has been put on this new page with both schools - believers and rejectors of the moon landings having there views being included as to why religion is ignored in the engineered mainstream.

--Wikiencyc 01:53, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Village Pump: News & Assistance pages

Searching new page additions on Wikipedia: A few days ago I added a new page addition on Wikipedia, Moon conspiracy and religion, however when I try to search from the Wikipedia search box on say, moon, moon conspiracy, moon landing, moon hoax; the new page addition does not get listed.

Could you tell me please if there is some time lag in the process between a new page addition on Wikipedia and the Wikipedia search listings?

Thanks

--Wikiencyc 12:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Someone has put the new page addition into the fringe category and they say that it lacks references and they want to merge it with another item - Apollo moon landing hoax accusations where in October 2005 all of my contributions got booted out by the tyrants there. I have added a section on References and cited them and would not like the new page addition to be sidelined, excluded from search results or merged where tyrants can delete the content. --Wikiencyc 15:20, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Added:
 * "There has been mention on Usenet of the linkages between the moon landings conspiracy and the John F. Kennedy assassination and also the move of NASA to it's location in the Bible Belt area of Houston, Texas."


 * Word "Western" added in sentences for clarity, for example before the word "media."

--Wikiencyc 14:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Talk: Apollo moon landing hoax accusations

A few days ago I put a new Wikipedia page Moon conspiracy and religion, today I have a box on the top of the page suggesting that the new page could perhaps be merged with here?

In October 2005, I tried to put the Religious Component into your page. All the contribution got taken down at various times and you can see the discussions in the archives or user pages.

Could you tell me if you want to merge the pages?

--Wikiencyc 15:41, 26 December 2005 (UTC)