User:Wildhartlivie/Sandbox

Please see Requests for checkuser/Case/Nyannrunning and these sock accounts of that editor, who has shown an interest in relatively obscure articles that are tangentially related in one way or another to the JFK assassination conspiracy theories and articles related to ''What's My Line?:





He also posted from the following IPs, many of which are connected to library connections in the greater Los Angeles area, including UCLA library, the Los Angeles public library and various satellite branches and the airport. How interesting that he would think to mention that aspect here too:



§ Dorothy Kilgallen: 8/186

This editor is fond of making very long, involved edit summaries. See here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.

Please note the use of the term "user-driven web site" or "user-driven source"   which he frequently uses and was picked up from a dispute mediation case involving him as Dooyar and Pinkadelica and me and the use of citations to pages posted by John McAdams. He also tends to refer to articles as "our article" and uses the pronoun "we". Also citing WP:DUCK, when a person has interacted with this sock master long enough, one recognizes his writing style, even when he attempts to disguise it. His post to Talk:Laraine Newman used a familiar style of address: "Hello. How do people feel about adding..." His post to Talk:Corey Haim references a book by Julia Phillips that he's used before as other accounts and engages in the same sort of tangentialness that his earlier talk page posts had. After a year or so, administrators started blocking new accounts from this editor based on these similarities and basically, WP:DUCK sort of observations. Add to that his obvious knowledge of sock puppet issues and mentioning previous issues from the socks that mentioned issues abou "conspiracy theorist or a Kilgallen obsessive". The content addition was reverted as contributions by a banned user. If necessary, a new SPI can be launched, but as time goes on, preparing one of those and exploring the posts from associated accounts becomes repressive. Just sayin'. Not to mention that the previous addition of "officially" and the rationale for it is totally unsupported or referenced. Not to mention this editor has attempted to stir the fires by cross-posting a very similar post to SRQ's talk page. That's also a familiar pattern that would not be common knowledge to an editor with little experience in Wikipedia, now would it? Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:55, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

As for the Lee Israel book, you spent a lot of time denigrating her work on another article, and this is yet another example of tangential commentary that you are prone to posting. It would be nice if Wildhartlivie would learn the difference between two things:

-- #1 the commission's single book of findings/conclusions that was published in paperback by the New York Times becoming a bestseller, and ...

-- #2 the 26 volumes that were sold by the U.S. Government Printing Office for a price that was too high for people who didn't have the space to store them anyway, and never sold in paperback for reasons I hope people understand.

Dorothy's considerable achievement was giving people in several American cities and London their only chance to read everything Jack Ruby, Gerald Ford, etc. actually said to each other. That was their only chance not counting an investment of hundreds of dollars and space to put 26 volumes. It is this achievement that belongs in the article. In my humble opinion, if the obvious contrast between Kilgallen and Patsy Cline belongs in it, so does a three-hour conversation featuring a chief justice, a future president of the United States and a murderer and so does the fact that Dorothy made it available unofficially, without the government's prior knowledge that she would do it, much less its stamp of approval. When it got the stamp of approval some months later, who was going to pay hundreds of dollars and make a mess in their own home in order to read the conversation? Earththings (talk) 01:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * What would be nice for you to learn is that your concerns were dismissed here as "That appears to be a content dispute, and one that I have no expertise (or interest) in. I'm sorry." But you know, keep on typing, Dooyar, you're adding proof to the WP:DUCK aspect of being a sock of Nyannrunning. All that tangential commentary, don't ya know? Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:41, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

The Dorothy Kilgallen article contains sources on the fact that she published -- to the consternation of U.S. government officials -- a three-hour conversation in some newspapers. Two of those newspapers constitute footnotes #26 and 27. I'm referring to #26 and 27 in the article we are discussing. The negative reaction of the officials is supported by several footnotes that follow 27, all tagged as "unreliable" (and you constantly evade that issue). Footnotes in a Wikipedia article aren't "tangential commentary." That's the article you insist on controlling. And you know what? Maybe you are being sarcastic, maybe not, but you are prolonging this discussion on the page of an administrator who, as long as [Lar] doesn't tell you or me to stop, might join us eventually. I'm not going to type at your command.Earththings (talk) 01:59, 24 February 2010 (UTC)