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Lisa Trendler writes ( publically): I came across this post & frankly, this is my feeling... while the breed founder/ssdca/zion kennels   SAYS they submit health testing to the TCCP, Records MAW info & so on, I acknowlege this has been hard to prove as results are non-public or non existant.. I dont know.. BUT what I do know is this relative to the OTX issue being discussed here, is that all of you that beef about no proof of testing with the ISSR, or lack of proof, or the dis-continuation of DNA by the ISSR, there is little to none on Bullet either, just hips as far as has been "available". I believe in an OTX program, but only a provable & documantable one, no matter the "rare breed".

Qwerty 101 wrote: Another good example would be CJ-Diamond Hills Lightening Bullet. This dog is owned by the owner/registrar of the NSBR and is a full blooded AKC GSD. This dog is a frequently used stud dog within the NSBR to produce Shiloh Shepherd litters. In fact, in 2004, "Bullet" was bred to Kind KyeAnne Selah, another full blooded AKC GSD and also Bullet's half sister. The dogs produced by this combination are registered with the NSBR as Shiloh Shepherds and appear to be shown in the Shiloh Shepherd category. Qwerty101

I realize this "segment" was put up for a different topic, but.... the NSBR ( or his, Bullets now, owner of record) has not done the testing on him..other than his hips?? (per their last web update) prior to being bred, Its also odd to me, he, "Bullet" has AKC reg papers in a totally different name(Selah)??? Is this dog listed with in your NSBR registry as an OTX? or a full Shiloh?? In an opinion.. he is a GSD producing.. with a 1st or 2nd or....3rd... Generation Shiloh Bitch, that offspring, should be registered as a 1st Generation OTX litter.. My question to (any registry) would be.. since the topic has come up .. why is (he) all of a sudden a Shiloh & his offspring Shilohs with some having as well GSD AKC registration papers in addition ( GSD bred back to a Shiloh???? makes a Shiloh?? CONFUSING dont you think??,) (with the NSBR & ISSR ONLY)), they are Shilohs as well??, not 1G OTX Shilohs??? I just wish all registries would come to some common ground about OTX breedings. They cant be both a Shiloh & a GSD at this point... ( nor in the beginning)  They may be a mix of dogs that thru several generations "become" a product of OTX breedings & then become recognized as a "breed" as the Shilohs did ( & the FCI didnt recognize the Shilohs prior to 1991 Tina, put a lid on it!!!), but.... as the gene pool needs "new blood" and as it will,  isnt it the responsibility of the (current) breeders to relay an OTX honestly & register it s such?? No matter the registry, ISSR or NSBR( the SSBA hasnt posted any OTX rules to date), a dog doesnt go  to sleep one night & wake up the next morning with a different DNA, New name &  WHALA become a (rare breed) Shiloh... sorry, genetics dont work that way. I realize this is what some of you are trying to combat has happened in the past, but your also trying to jusiify it in the future. I have both of Bullets pedigrees & some of you im sure have pedigrees that prove the same thing in the foundation stock of the Shilohs as well. The key is to not make the same mistakes that have been made in the past in the future :) Lisa Trendler