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Thank you
Dear WomenArtistUpdates,

Thank you again for your guidance in 2022 in how to edit correctly on Wikipedia and on related matters! I greatly appreciate it. Wishing you all the best for 2023!

I will be reading several boxes of documents at the Philadelphia Museum of Art library/archives in early February (appointment set for Feb 7). The material is on the National Serigraph Society and other topics of our mutual interest concerning printmaking in America. I know the material will not be quotable, since it is original research material, but if I find any references to publications and other acceptable sources I will let you know. I hope this happens.

All the best and a very happy New Year to you!

rwarsager Rwarsager (talk) 00:24, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, Happy New Year to you too! Your note reminded me that I have to get back to the history of art prints in 20th century America. I have been thinking about it sporadically. I have been using my (self) allocated Wiki time to work on adding information about women artists included in the current Renwick show, This Present Moment: Crafting a Better World and the related Renwick Gallery 50th Anniversary Acquisition Campaign. Absolutely amazing artists, many of them 21st century American women. The next generation.


 * But back to our topic...I currently am of the opinion that the way forward is to create a timeline of important printmaking events in America in the 20th century. I spent some time last night getting it started User:WomenArtistUpdates/Timeline of 20th Century printmaking in America. Just a start, but it gives you a general idea how it might come together. I got the idea from similar timelines, like Timeline of women's suffrage in the United States. From this timeline a theme or article may emerge, but I may just post it as a timeline. Of course it will necessarily need to cover the literal American Print Renaissance from 1960 forward, including some info on the master printers.


 * Assuming you have time & inclination, I would really like it if you would add events to the time line. Just add stuff as it occurs to you. Bullet points can be fleshed out if no article exists, or link to the article if one does. I have also started a notes section on the talk page User talk:WomenArtistUpdates/Timeline of 20th Century printmaking in America, where I am jotting down ideas. Please add to that as well. We can follow each others revisions through the history of the draft.


 * Good luck on your trip to the Philadelphia archives. Research is a wee bit easier in the 21st century. One can use a camera or phone to take pictures of relevant material. So much easier than taking notes or photocopying. My experience with libraries is if you ask them the policy they will let you as long as no flash is involved. In my quest to upload WPA works I found that the Philadelphia Museum of Art a rich source of images. Beautiful example of a digitized collection. In my experience, second only to SAAM for US artists. Some are credited "Work Projects Administration, on long-term loan to the Philadelphia Museum of Art from the Fine Arts Collection". I wonder how all that came about. When was the loan made? Did PMA get to choose or were they handed a pile of prints? Do you think you will be able to view any of their 62 prints that are not on view? It sounds very exiting. I hope the weather cooperates.


 * Thanks again for the ping. It got me started on the timeline.:) Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, WomenArtistUpdates.
 * Thanks for your reply. The Renwick show looks great. I hope I can get to D.C. to see it. Good luck with your work on the artists.
 * I very much like your idea of the Timeline of 20th Century Printmaking in America.  I’ve been sidetracked by some family health issues and have not been able to actively research printmaking over the last few months but I expect to get back to the work in earnest starting soon and I’d be very happy to add items to your timeline as I learn new things. In general, I love timelines as very useful tools in grasping a historical topic, getting a foothold.
 * (One of the aspects of printmaking that I plan to do more reading on is the movement from silkscreen printing as a commercial process exclusively and its transformation to a fine art medium and then, in the 1960’s a circling back to commercial art via Andy Warhol et.al. I’m just beginning to dive into this; I have much more to learn and in doing so I may realize that it’s a dead end but I’ll follow the path. This reading may produce some additional elements that I can contribute to your timeline.) I will also be happy to add to your talk page as I learn more. Thank you for asking.
 * Thank you for your good wishes on the PMoA archive work. I’m looking forward to my visit to their archives.  Among other papers, I will be seeing some of the curator/art collector Carl Zigrosser’s papers. My understanding is that his work there was a key part of how the museum came to hold one of the best collections of American prints.  Over the last few days I’ve been in touch with a very helpful and informative Digital Asset Librarian there. He sent me high quality images and Web ready jpegs that I can add to the article on my father. They are images of prints that were part of the WPA program and that are in the public domain. (I’m not sure how it works exactly but I think you may get a ping automatically when I add images to the article on my father, as you were the author of that article.) The librarian provided the details I will need to include when I add the images to identify the source.  I will try to do it exactly as the process requires. Once I get the hang of it, I will request more images from their library that I can add to other WPA  Wiki articles, especially for the women artists who have not gotten their just due.
 * Also, your questions are interesting about how it came about at PMoA. I will try to get answers and get back to you.
 * All the best. I’ll be in touch. Many thanks, as always.
 * rwarsager Rwarsager (talk) 19:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, WomenArtistsUpdate.
 * I'm still learning on Wikipedia, and I made a rookie error last night when I was adding a couple of items to your timeline. I added two items that sourced from the fantastic book by Helen Lange, one of my favorites. I typed the info in for the first footnote then did 're-use' for the second citation. Then I changed the page number for the second one as appropriate. But I forgot that when I did that it automatically changed the page number of the other citation of Langa. This morning I fixed it by just re-entering the book info. I'm learning slowly. Sorry about that.
 * I should be able over the coming days and weeks to add quite a few items to your timeline. And some themes as well. If I enter any timeline items that don't seem appropriate to you just let me know. I'll learn as I go. I have lots of historical sources on the general topic so I hope to make lots of additions over time.
 * All the best,
 * rwarsager Rwarsager (talk) 20:44, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * , I think you should say OUR timeline. It is just living in a sandbox under my user name. Please edit away! Thank you! best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:36, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, WomenArtistUpdates - Thank you. I added a few just now, one of which is actually about an Englishman, but I thought it relevant because he, in 1907, held the first patent for a silkscreen process, then I added the first American who advanced the idea in 1914. I hope the Englishman is ok to include, but I understand if you think I should delete him. I could switch him parenthetically to the entry on the American, if you wish. This is a fun process, and gets me to read through the pile of books I have sitting here. I'm looking forward to adding some points on Louis Lozowick because he was such an excellent lithographer. His cityscapes are beautiful and haunting. All the best! Rwarsager (talk) 01:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * , by all means, put in information from England, especially in these early days. While it is in draft form we can put in anything we want. It is much easier to edit something down than to try to remember where you saw an interesting bit of info.
 * Thank you for starting the 60s!!!
 * I was at the Phillips yesterday and saw, An Italian Impressionist in Paris: Giuseppe De Nittis. The last room had several monotypes, lithographs and intaglio prints by De Nittis and his friend, Degas. They did portraits of each other using dry point. So those guy were both exploring a way to reproduce their work, but also create art prints. Not germane to what we are doing, but still, once I start thinking about something it is everywhere. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 02:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, WomenArtistUpdates. You're very welcome. There should be some interesting things to add as we move into the 60's an beyond.
 * It's on interesting that you mention that exhibit. I'm not familiar with it specifically, but it sounds great. I'll enjoy studying it.
 * In general, some of the prints that were made going back several centuries, well, some of them are just breathtaking in their complexity and sheer artistry. A curatorial intern at PMoA that I met when he showed me some WPA prints a few months ago there - Jun Nakamura - curated a very interesting exhibit at the museum called: Macho Men: Hypermasculinity in Dutch and American Prints. Jun's expertise is mainly in 16th century Dutch prints. The exhibition, by the way, includes some WPA prints because there was quite a bit of muscular male imagery in the radical prints, depicting American workers. https://philamuseum.org/calendar/exhibition/macho-men-hypermasculinity-dutch-american-prints
 * This leads me to a question/suggestion for you. If it's beyond the scope of the timeline too much, I totally get that. Just want to mention it: I have a book called "The Complete Guide to Prints and Printmaking: History, Materials and Techniques from Woodcut to Lithography". It was published in 1981. It's rich in technical and practical information as well as some history. It has an excellent timeline going back to printmaking origins. My thought is that it might be interesting and a bit of fun to include a sort of pre-history in a limited timeline, separate from but leading into the main timeline, that might be called something like "The Roots of Printmaking from 800 A.D. to the Twentieth Century", with just the principal inventions and innovations that laid the groundwork for the burst of creativity in the 20th century. It would not be to take any emphasis off the twentieth century, of course, but simply to identify, briefly, the creative roots and fertile grounds from earlier times. If you like the idea I would gladly put this together, and verify the items in this book's timeline, after I have added to the main timeline.
 * The authors divide the events and activities by: Wood engraving, Linocut, Mexxotint, Aquatint, planographic processes/lithography, screen printing, photomechanical reproduction.
 * For example, some highlights that could be included in a pre-history type of timeline to complement the main timeline after completion are:
 * WOODCUT
 * -Pre-800 A.D. - Relief printing of textiles from wooden blocks in CHina
 * -c. 1200 - Earliest woodblock textile printing in Europe
 * -828 A.D. - Earliest dated relief print Diamond Sutra, China
 * INTAGLIO PRINTING
 * Engraving
 * c. 1430 - Earliest engraving, Germany
 * 1548 - Commercial distribution of prints begins in Antwerp
 * Etching
 * Early 1500's - Parmigianion, first 'painter-etcher'
 * c. 1750-1830 - Founder of wood engraving, Thomas Bewick
 * 1810- First steel engraving, used widely in book illustration
 * Mezzotint
 * 1624 - Ludwig von Siegen invents mezzotint process
 * Aquatint
 * 1768 - Invented by Jean Baptiste Le Prince
 * Lithography
 * 1798 - Lithography invented byAlois Senefelder of Munich
 * 1830-50 - Daumier uses lithography in popular satire
 * 1890's - Popular use of color lithography in posters by Lautrect
 * c. 1916 - 1920's George Bellows - first use of lithography in America
 * Screenprinting
 * 1880's - First use of stencil attached to gauze mesh
 * I don't mean to get ahead of ourselves, just wanted to raise the idea. I would, of course, check on the dates and details before adding anything to a timeline. Food for thought?

Although the art world was even more rigidly biased in favor of male artists in previous centuries than in the 20th, I would propose to dig for the names and backgrounds of women artists involved in printmaking developments, consistent with a principle that drives your work. One possible source for information like this would be Mr. Nakamura, the PMoA specialist in early printmakers, as well as the museum's archives.
 * All the best,
 * rwarsager Rwarsager (talk) 01:10, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi , The timeline of the history of printing is an interesting idea. You will need to be careful if you are using a timeline created for "The Complete Guide to Prints and Printmaking: History, Materials and Techniques from Woodcut to Lithography". That is the author's intellectual property. (Of course at the moment I can't find the official guidance on the Wikipedia site, but when I do I'll ping you). Have you had a chance to read through Printmaking? A timeline could complement that article.

I took a look at "Macho Men". Very nice stuff. I can't recall ever seeing Hercules depicted as an older gentleman. Goltzius has him ripped! I quite like Workman Pushing Four Bundles by Isadore Possoff and see they haven't got a page, so I'll get right on that if I can find another source to complement PMA.

Speaking of women, I don't think we are going to have to dig very deep to get a distaff angle on our timeline. It looks like several of the 1960s era Print shops were started by women. Any info provided by PMA would be delightful :)

Interestingly, when I was looking at art colonies in the United States one author noted that the main 19th and 20th American art colonies were either established or run by women. It could be possible to think that perhaps women are better a organizing collaborative events.

I was working on the timeline last night and wandered down the path of Barnet teaching others how to technically make prints. Then Blackburn etc.

I got side-tracked from that trying to ascertain when and where the first Robert Indiana "Love" print was created.

Happy editing. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 02:03, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, WomenArtistUpdates.
 * Good point about the intellectual property. Thanks.  I did read the Printmaking article on Wiki. That’s definitely helpful and there are some interesting points there.
 * Regarding art colonies, I find that them fascinating, in large part, I think, because I wish I could live on one. It’s interesting to read about how some of them developed as artists found city life, including in Paris, too stressful, expensive, and loud.
 * I agree it’s quite possible (and I would add: likely) women are better at organizing collaborative events.
 * Regarding Blackburn, I might have mentioned this but a curator at the Met Museum is writing her dissertation in art history on him and several other interesting printmakers.  I’m looking forward to reading it. He was certainly a very interesting artist and printmaker. There are so many fascinating trails to wander off on in researching events for the timeline.
 * Another artist whose work I love is Louis Lozowick. He used to visit my father when we lived in northern NJ in the late 60's-1972 but of course I had no idea then what an interesting artist he was. And I very much hope to add some timeline events about Elizabeth Olds, Riva Helfond, and Ruth Chaney, three WPA-related artists.  Olds actually did the first serigraph on the project, according to the PMoA curator and collector Carl Zigrosser. I want to add that to the timeline when I get the exact year, around 1938. As you may know, Riva Helfond taught Blackburn some screen printing techniques. (She was also a  friend, though I don't have memories of meeting her.)
 * Regarding Warhol and my previous comments about hoping to establish some causation between his visit to Max Arthur Cohn's (a WPA painter) NYC printmaking studio and the subsequent relatively sudden rise to fame/iconic status of Warhol, I believe that's a dead end. Warhol discarded the National Serigraph Society's standards for creating silkscreens and went his own way, although he did like the nature of silkscreens being suitable for 'mass' production. Blake Gopnick's 2020 bio, 900 pages, of Warhol is fascinating but leads me to believe I was on the wrong track. The book, however, should yield some good timeline events related to Warhol's printmaking exploits.
 * It’s been a hectic week for me but I hope to add a bunch more events over the weekend. I’m happy you initiated the timeline!
 * All the best,
 * rwarsager Rwarsager (talk) 15:05, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, WomenArtistUpdates. Timeline looks good with the separate decades. I'm gearing up for a bunch of additions on developments in the later part of the century especially, as well as some in the early and mid-century years. Thanks for asking me to contribute to the timeline. It's a great idea, extremely interesting, and it's also kind of addictive. I'm working on carving out more time to work on this. Thank you.
 * Best regards,
 * rwarsager Rwarsager (talk) 01:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, I am wandering around in the 1970s, and among the history of "Master Printers". To quote the book If the decade of the 1960s was committed to developing and audience for prints, the 1970s were devoted to developing and expanding their market. For sure the difference from the beginning of the century to the end was the hand-off of the technical to the masters. 'Course I'll only say that on my talk page, because I lack the scholarly chops to correctly state that in the main space. Makes me glad we are working in the timeline format. It seems to be solving a world of problems. Andy Warhol remains problematic. The soup cans were screened onto canvas! Don't know what to do with that. :) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 02:25, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, WomenArtistUpdates. I agree about the timeline process. So far I'm confident in my entries to the timeline. I'm about to add one on Warhol based on comments in The Complete Printmaker (by Ross, Romano & Ross), which I've cited a bunch of times in various articles. I'm interested in what you will think of the point they make. I've become skeptical about some aspects of Warhol's role in screen printing but I'm not qualified to have a strong opinion. Much more reading for me to do on that. Yes, he printed on canvas and used photographic images. I'm not a fan of that approach but perhaps I'm biased!
 * I'm looking forward to my Feb 7 dive into the archives at PMoA. They have a box labeled National Serigraph Society, which the book I mentioned above states ceased to exist by 1962. I hope to learn much more next week.
 * Best regards,
 * Rwarsager Rwarsager (talk) 01:16, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi I am just reading the article Untitled from Marilyn Monroe which is up for deletion. I think the Marilyns are the earliest of his screen prints. Oh, just finished a short piece on Catherine Mosley, Motherwell master printer. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear WomenArtistUpdates, this might be of interest. All the best!
 * https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2023/02/02/abstract-expressionisms-forgotten-women-and-their-international-contemporaries-emerge-from-the-shadows Rwarsager (talk) 17:41, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed . The press release lists all the women included in the exhibition. Looking forward to going through it. Thank you! Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:22, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

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Women in Red in February 2023
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Hi! Thank you for helping with Michael Yamashita’s page. I’m going to review your general edit history to learn how to edit on Wikipedia. I appreciate you.

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WIR March
I hope you don't mind. I've drafted Firming up for March as was concerned about Feb being a short month. Over to you for Art+Feminism logo, if needed. If not, pls remove from To do list. Oronsay (talk) 02:55, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! I drafted a logo with bun lady at a potters wheel :) Hope you like. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Fun - nice and quirky! Oronsay (talk) 18:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

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Women in Red March 2023
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Just a note of gratitude
I don't really know how public thank yous work on here, but I just had to express some gratitude for all your contributions on here. You recently created the article for Gail Shaw-Clemons, an amazing artist I was fortunate enough to learn about through an exhibition a few weeks ago. I went looking for more info about her, but there wasn't yet an article - but I did a similar search again today and the article you created popped up. It's just one example of literally thousands where I've tried to learn about a talented woman and have found more info thanks to your contributions, and I can't imagine how many others have experienced the same, many without knowing who helped them connect the dots. Just wanted to say thanks - you've helped uplift so many amazing artists! 19h00s (talk) 02:29, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, Thank you for your very nice words! It is great to know my articles are being read. I have just started dipping my toe in the water of living people this year. The Renwick's anniversary show motivated me to cover some of living artists. I am learning so much. So many of the mid-to-late-career women artists' stories are similar to Shaw-Clemons' (and they deserve to be told while the subject can read it). Making art while earning the rent teaching or running workshops. Recognition comes after years of hard work. I think you were in on the conversation about "art + activism" at Women in Red. I am working my way through artists whose artists books are in the collection of the NMWA.
 * Have you read about the virtual editathon Crafting a Better Wikipedia: Women of color in the Renwick Gallery? Thursday, March 30, 2023 1 -3:30. I plan on going, hoping that events don't overtake.
 * Thanks again for the kind and encouraging words. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:25, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

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Women in Red April 2023
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774 articles!! That takes a lot of blood and sweat. Thank you for investing your time and effort into building this encyclopedia. Thilsebatti (talk) 00:43, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

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Women in Red May 2023
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June WiG Good Article editathon
Hi WomenArtistUpdates -- I hope your month is going well! I'm beginning some prep work for another Women in Green GA editathon in June. Would you be able to update a barnstar for us again? I think we'll be doing another "Wildcard Edition" (it worked really well last time), so it's mainly just the month/year that need editing. Thank you, Alanna the Brave (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, Quick update done. Check WikiProject Women in Green/Meetup/4. Keep me posted for any other tweaks requested. I had left a message on the WiG talk page, but I'll ask you directly; Would you consider adding Grace Hartigan to the list of suggestions? I think y'all could get the article up to GA fairly swiftly. Thanks for considering. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:05, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Cheers! I'm happy to add Hartigan to the list. It certainly looks like a feasible GA project (just depends who wants to pick it up right now). Alanna the Brave (talk) 21:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Vollmer question
Hi! I just now saw that you created a new stub article on April Vollmer. I have often wondered if she is related to Ruth Vollmer. Any thoughts? Netherzone (talk) 23:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi ! There is scant information about April on the web (though her stuff is gorgeous), and a simple Google query doesn't show a relationship. I'll spend some time trying to figure out via jstor and wiki library. I did find a wonderful photo of Ruth which I put in her infobox (fair use). How've you been? I haven't seen you on AFD recently. I don't know if you read the article in Signpost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single/2023-05-08 under the subheading "Compromise with paid editors?" about the Axios article Wikipedia's influence grows, but the Axios article seems to has generated a big little blip in promotional articles. Sigh. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:23, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That is indeed a wonderful photo you found of Ruth Vollmer! And yes, April Vollmer's prints are incredible! I will also continue to look to see if there might be a connection between the two. I've been doing OK, thank you for asking; doing some traveling which has been fabulous and I saw some really great art.
 * I've backed off from AfD recently to focus a bit more on NPP and AfC. There's a lot to learn! I saw the Signpost & Axios articles you linked but have not read them yet, but definitely will. The problem of COI/UPE seems to be getting worse since losing several editors in the past couple years who were strongly anti-COI/UPE; and now  is gone. And AI is all the rage. When I was a newbie attending a WP event in NYC, I heard DGG speak about the problem of promotional editing, which really had an impression on me. His passing is a deep loss to the community and of course to his family and friends. Unfortunately I've seen too many good editors get chastised or blocked for calling out COI/UPE; and far too many COI/UPE editors getting away with using WP to push their POV or advertise themselves. This essay (that I learned about from ) is good: WP:BOGOF, you've probably seen it, but if not, it's worth the read.
 * Thank you, as always, for your excellent work here in the visual arts, especially all the work you do on women artists! Netherzone (talk) 14:11, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response and link to the essay . I've spent the last few days learning about DGG and UPE. Very interesting and true thesis that fixing a bad editor's promo piece only encourages bad behavior. I have also been ruminating about ASG and how that is not possible when all clues point to paid editing. I still have some energy for this, so I will continue to monitor artists and cast my !vote. I can see reaching a point where I want to move on. It is annoying that it takes longer to get rid of an article than it does to create one. But, my unrealistic wish is that ALL editors would spend 20 minutes a week in their area of expertise in AFD and keep the process moving along.
 * I was impressed by DGG's tenaciousness and was sad to read of his passing.
 * I am not getting any more information on the Vollmers, but I suspect that they are not related. Vollmer is not an uncommon last name.
 * I am lucky to live in an area where art comes to me :) I can't revive a desire for travel (yet). But good on you for getting back on the road. There is so much I want to see in situ: Hagia Sophia, the Hermitage Museum, Mt Fuji and on and on.
 * Thanks again for the link, and for all the work you do. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:11, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red - June 2023
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Karólína Lárusdóttir
Hello! I saw this on NPP, and am uncertain about her notability, as mostly I'm seeing primary sources (commercial galleries that show her work, an obituary in the Guardian written by her daughter, etc.) Whenever you find a moment (no rush!) could you see if you have better luck finding independent sources. It seems like a memorial page. I cleaned up the promotional tone, but I'm uncertain about her wiki notability and am wondering what you think. All best, Netherzone (talk) 17:26, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, I can see that you saw my edits and moved the page along in the process. I do think she is notable. Aside from meeting the criteria, it is an interesting example of the style. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:17, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your improvements! I agree she is notable. I'm not crazy about the style of her work, however it's good to have Icelandic women artists represented. I'll see if I can find a photo of her to add to the article. Netherzone (talk) 21:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not crazy about the style either, but it just screams late 20th century Northern European. Can you see admiring it at an IKEA? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:34, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes! BTW, I found a photo of her and will crop it a bit, resize to fair use specs and upload to her article. Netherzone (talk) 21:39, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

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Malcolm Myers
Hello! Jason Howard here. Nice to "e-meet" you. I see that this user has undone an edit I made to the Atelier 17 page. I would like to discuss that and the Atelier 17 page itself, as there seem to be some major errors on the page which I did not address. I am pretty new to Wiki, so any guidance is appreciated. The one major error I see is that after WWII, Atelier 17 was RE-opened in Paris...and the page does not seem to say that -- and also many of the artists in the "New York" list actually didn't work in NY, but did in Paris after WWII -- Malcolm Myers being one of them. As we know with historic records, relying on ONE source list for things like this (a list of artists in a place) can be problematic. How can I help? Kind Regards, Jason

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayho1970 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Jayho1970, I'm a fellow visual arts editor who has worked with WomenArtistsUpdates for some time, I'm just going to jump in here as WAU's talk page is on my watchlist. While I agree with you that Malcolm Myers was an important artist, I concur with WAU's analysis that several of your edits are inappropriate for Wikipedia. The encyclopedia is not a web host, (see WP:NOTWEBHOST) that's what personal websites are for, and I see that Myers still has a website, which I might assume that you, as the executor of his estate, are either the web host for or are in touch with the web host. That is where the bulk of the material you have tried to add to the WP article belongs.
 * Also, and equally important is that you need to abide by Wikipedia's guidelines for conflict-of-interest editors. You need to stop editing the article directly, as specified at WP:COI, and instead use the Edit Request System WP:EDITREQ to suggest edits which will be vetted by our volunteer editors. This is critical since there is probably also a financial stake in this estate which would make you a paid editor of a sort, meaning you should also abide by our guidance for paid editing. See: WP:PAID and also WP:PEW.
 * You ask, "How can I help?" You can help by abiding by our guidelines for COI editors and following the fundamental principles of WP Netherzone (talk) 03:10, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red July 2023
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Articles for deletion/István Barta (painter)
Hey there! I wanted to let you know that I closed this discussion as a speedy keep, since the nomination was withdrawn. Enjoy whatever merging, redirecting, etc. you feel is best. The discussion you had at the AfD was some of the most congenial collaboration I've ever seen on an AfD. It made my little wiki-heart happy. Joyous! Noise! 16:38, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red 8th Anniversary
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Women in Red August 2023
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Idea
I know you are reluctant to participate in the Indigenous women's editathon, but you have amazing skill that could still help with it. I noticed that when TJMSmith added his article on Venida Chenault to the list, he was unable to add the flag for the Prairie Band Potawatomi Nation because it was uploaded as fair use. I've just finished Dorothy Davids and find we have no image at all for the Stockbridge-Munsee Band of Mohican Nation Flag. I don't know if you have any interest in participating in this way, but I thought your artistic skills might help with the lack of flags. No worries if you aren't interested. I appreciate your work, regardless. SusunW (talk) 18:09, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've looked at some of the examples of Flags of Native Americans of the United States. After looking at a few, it seems like the flags have been uploaded as "Own work", which puzzles me. Further investigation reveals that the tribal insignias are most likely[ https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/laws/native-american-tribal-insignia trademarked]. Therefor I am extremely reluctant to upload any Indigenous flags to the commons. If a flag is uploaded as "fair use" it can only be used on the appropriate page. If you can point me to any addition guidance on the copyright status of tribal flags and insignia I will be happy to look through it. The website Flags of the World suggest that the images are copyrighted with restrictions. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:56, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Aha! I had assumed since numerous ones have been uploaded as "own work" that one could create an image and upload it without copyright infringement. It did not occur to me that they might be trademarked. It truly takes a village to work on WP. I appreciate you taking time to review the requirements. Sorry for the trouble. SusunW (talk) 22:04, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems like it would be a fairly straightforward exercise, thus I think there has to be a restriction and that some images have slipped through rather than the other way 'round. Feel free to ping me for graphic stuff, though. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:11, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

September 2023 at Women in Red
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Wiknic location
Hi WomenArtistUpdates! Looking forward to hopefully seeing you at Sunday's wiknic. At Wikipedia_talk:Meetup/DC/Wiknic_2023 I raised a question about location — I'll copy it here for convenience but if you could answer at that talk page that'd be really helpful. Thank you!

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thx4thx
I was discussing with Rosie .... is it a coincidence that the table looks like this? Its the table that the first US women wrote a list of demands and Douglass persuaded them to add the right to vote. Victuallers (talk) 09:03, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , Well, I would like to say that was my plan, but alas, it was pure coincidence. :) --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:04, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green event barnstar
Hey WomenArtistUpdates! I hope things are well in your part of the world. I'm preparing another Women in Green GA editathon in October -- would you be able to update a new barnstar for the event? I've been chatting with other volunteers about how to potentially encourage a greater geographical range of articles and subjects during these events, and I'm leaning towards this next event title being something like "Around the World in 31 Days" (we'll try a group goal of nominating/reviewing articles from at least 31 different countries). Alanna the Brave (talk) 16:22, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Always happy to help. Let me know the deets and desires, and I will update or edit. Best. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:24, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I think I forgot to ping you on my reply . Let me know the revisions you would like. Best, --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:58, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Whoops, should have checked the page earlier (this week got away from me!). Okay: I'm thinking we keep the "Women in Green Editathon" text the same, but swap out the date and theme from last time to "October 2023" and "Around the World in 31 Days" (if there's enough space). Also -- as a visual change, I'm wondering if you can shrink the actual WiG star component by about half the size and insert an image of a green or blue globe/earth behind it? Alanna the Brave (talk) 00:00, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft logo is posted at Women in Green-Good Article Editathon for your consideration. Note that I swapped out the brown star for the silver star for aesthetic reasons, but can easily change it back or to another. The globe image I got from the commons. A little bit trickier, but if you prefer another graphic from the commons send me the link. Best, --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:46, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I really like it! And good call on the silver. :-) I'll let you know if we need any further tweaks, but this seems like a great fit. Thank you for sharing your design skills again -- it's much appreciated. Best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 17:16, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , Glad you like it. Always happy to help you. :) Keep me posted about any tweaks. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

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WikiProject Canada 10,000 Challenge seventh anniversary
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Nice work on mid-century modern women designers and artists!
Hello WAU! I noticed all your recent new articles on mid-century modern women designers and artists; what a great contribution to WP! I love that period of design, and it's so wonderful to learn about these women and their work. Thanks, as always, for what you do here, and hope you and yours have a lovely holiday season. Netherzone (talk) 14:35, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! I am so glad you are reading the articles. I saw your "thanks" in my notifications and was happy to see I had you a proofer. I am loving the mid-century modern research. I quite like the style too. I am particularly taken with the fabric artists of the period. I have been wading around in the mid-century after attending a Smithsonian Zoom lecture on Dorothy Liebes this summer. It was given in conjunction with the big show at the Cooper Hewitt. As I mentioned on the talk page, I have got a wonderful book to serve as tour guide, and am waiting for another book from interlibrary loan.
 * Thanks for all you do too, and best wishes for the new year :) --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Changes to preparations for WIR Events
As you are the most active contributor to this and related pages, WomenArtistUpdates, I thought I should inform you directly that as a result of the new WIR page presentations, from now on it will be necessary to post our current events on the main WIR page, in addition to the Events page. This is because the old automatic transclusion process no longer functions. I have attempted to adapt the Ideas page accordingly but please feel free to improve my explanations if they are not sufficiently clear. May I take this opportunity to thank you for all the useful updating you consistently carry out in connection with our monthly events. Thanks to the detailed approach you have introduced, we rarely encounter any shortcomings in the meetup pages and announcements we make in this connection.--Ipigott (talk) 09:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up . The refreshed pages must be a challenge of cascading issues. Appreciate you figuring out the steps.  --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Most of the repercussions were completely unexpected. Little by little, I think we've now sorted most of them out. Some of the features which caused problems dated right back to the beginning of the project. Now that we no longer rely on developments we don't understand, editing should be easier for us all.--Ipigott (talk) 15:22, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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