User:Yellow Dingo/NFOOTYSEASONS Proposal

Proposal: Notability guideline for club seasons in association football
Hello all. As many of you are aware the notability of season articles for individual football clubs are often contentious. Many users cite WP:NSEASONS as both a reason to keep or delete an article. The users citing NSEASONS !voting delete often say that only teams in a fully pro league should have season articles. Users !voting keep often argue that NSEASONS does not mention association football so is irrelevant to football club seasons. Others will use WP:GNG to back-up their case but users (on all sides) often debate over what is a routine source and what is not. Their are many examples of WP:AFDs of this kind. Here is a list of some I have found. Feel free to add any I have missed. They are ordered in reverse chronological order (i.e. newest at the top) by the date the AFD was closed. They are sorted under subheadings which was the result of the AFD.


 * Keep
 * Southend United F.C. 10–11 – 30 June 2016
 * IR Tanger 15–16 – 13 September 2015
 * Bristol Rovers 90–91 – 12 June 2015
 * Persib Bandung 2013 – 6 September 2013
 * Rangers F.C. 12–13 – 5 September 2013
 * Veria F.C. 13–14 – 9 May 2014
 * Karlsruher SC 12–13 – 6 September 2012


 * Delete
 * Six articles – 25 August 2016
 * Aldershot Town F.C. 92–93 – 4 August 2016
 * Torquay United F.C. 16–17 – 2 August 2016 (DRV)
 * Halifax Town 15–162 – 26 July 2016
 * Grays Athletic F.C. 09-10 – 23 July 2016
 * Kidderminster Harriers F.C. 15–16 – 23 July 2016
 * Aldershot Town F.C. 15–16 – 23 July 2016
 * Three articles – 23 May 2016
 * Dynamo Dresden 07-08 – 30 April 2016
 * Stuttgarter Kickers 01-02 – 29 April 2016
 * Two articles – 5 April 2016
 * FC Barcelona B 15–16 – 8 December 2015
 * FC Barcelona Juvenil A 15–16 – 8 December 2015
 * Three articles – 22 October 2015
 * Forfar Athletic F.C. 15–16 – 11 September 2015
 * Airdrieonians F.C. 15–16 – 11 September 2015
 * Cowdenbeath F.C. 15–16 – 11 Septemer 2015
 * Brechin City F.C. 15–16 – 11 September 2015
 * Edinburgh City F.C. 15–16 – 28 August 2015
 * Threave Rovers F.C. 15–16 – 28 August 2015
 * Selkirk F.C. 15–16 – 28 August 2015
 * Gretna 2008 F.C. 15–16 – 28 August 2015
 * Whitehill Welfare F.C. 15–16 – 28 August 2015
 * Newcastle United F.C. 16–17 – 19 August 2015
 * Chelsea F.C. Reserves 15–16 – 8 August 2015
 * The New Saints 15–16 – 3 July 2015
 * Five articles – 12 June 2015
 * Hyde F.C. 12–13 – 8 June 2015
 * D.C. United U-23 – 30 May 2015
 * Udon Thai F.C. 99-00 – 19 February 2015
 * Michigan Bucks 2012 – 15 February 2015
 * Aldershot Town F.C. 03-04 – 13 January 2015
 * Guernsey F.C. 14–15 – 22 December 2014
 * Persija Jakarta 70–71 – 1 November 2014
 * Nine articles – 18 October 2014
 * Three articles – 18 October 2014
 * Seven articles – 18 October 2014
 * ''Eight articles – 14 October 2014
 * Seven articles – 14 October 2014
 * Seven articles – 14 October 2014
 * Seven articles – 14 October 2014
 * Seven articles – 14 October 2014
 * Six articles – 14 October 2014
 * Six articles – 11 October 2014
 * Three articles – 10 October 2014
 * Nine articles – 10 October 2014
 * Ten articles – 14 August 2014
 * Holywell Town F.C. 11–12 – 31 July 2014
 * Holywell Town F.C. 12–13 – 31 July 2014
 * Holywell Town F.C. 13–14 – 31 July 2014
 * Wisła Płock 13–14 – 8 February 2014
 * Four articles – 15 November 2013
 * Two articles – 7 October 2013
 * Hyde F.C. 13–14 – 5 September 2013
 * Eastleigh F.C. 13–14 – 4 September 2013
 * Woking F.C. 12–13 – 4 September 2013
 * Eastleigh F.C. 11–122 – 4 September 2013
 * Halifax Town 11–12 – 4 September 2013
 * Halifax Town 12–13 – 4 September 2013
 * Macclesfield Town F.C. 12–13 – 3 September 2013
 * FC Kremin Kremenchuk 06-07 – 14 July 2013
 * FC Kremin Kremenchuk 07-08 – 7 July 2013
 * Three articles – 17 June 2013
 * West Ham United F.C. 14–15 – 13 June 2013
 * Manchester Monarchs 08-09 – 1 May 2013
 * Manchester Monarchs 07-08 – 1 May 2013
 * Vitória S.C. B 12–13 – 9 January 2013
 * Boston United F.C. 11–12 – 17 August 2012
 * Beşiktaş JK 27–28 – 21 May 2012
 * Three articles – 9 May 2012
 * Colwyn Bay 11–12 – 16 April 2012
 * Bishop's Stortford F.C. 10–11 – 18 June 2011
 * Weymouth F.C. 09-10 – 19 September 2009
 * Scarborough Athletic F.C. 08-09 – 7 July 2009
 * Cray Wanderers 09-10 – 5 July 2009
 * Tiverton Town F.C. 08-09 – 13 November 2007


 * No consensus
 * Three articles – 25 August 2015
 * F.C. Halifax Town 15–161 – 25 August 2015
 * F.C. Halifax Town 13–14 – 6 September 2013
 * FC Kremin Kremenchuk 05-06 – 16 July 2013
 * Eastleigh F.C. 11–121 – 18 August 2012
 * F.C. United of Manchester 12–131 – 14 October 2012
 * Five articles – 14 July 2009


 * Strange results
 * Ten articles – 2 August 2016 – Closed as no consensus on batch action, unbundled renomination welcome
 * Hannover 96 11–12 – 12 November 2015 (DRV) – Closed as redirect
 * Udon Thai F.C. 2010 – 20 February 2015 – Closed as merge
 * Udon Thai F.C. 2014 – 19 February 2015 – Closed as redirect
 * 61 articles – 5 August 2014 – Closed and relisted as smaller nominations
 * Seven articles – 27 May 2013 – Closed as redirect x6 and delete x1
 * Six articles – 14 April 2013 – Closed as delete and redirect
 * Real Madrid C 12–13 – 10 December 2012 – Closed as redirect

This list is incomplete and doesn't include any nominations open on or after approximately 28 August 2016. Feel free to add any missed AfDs. There may be a few small errors with dates and the like. Feel free to correct any of them.

I'm making this proposal because their is often heated debates over whether these type of articles should be deleted or kept. Users, on both sides, often make arguments that aren't backed up by policy. I think to cool this ongoing dispute we should create a WP:NFOOTYSEASONS that will be part of WP:NSPORTS. Of course, there will be the option to keep the status quo.

I have listed a neutral notice at WT:FOOTY, WT:NSPORTS and may list at WP:CENT. I have also listed a neutral notice on the talk pages of users who have recently been heavily involved in this issue (on all sides).

— Yellow Dingo&#160;(talk) 04:52, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Guidelines
 * Please !vote for your preferred option. The result will not be based entirely on a vote count but more on the principle of consensus.
 * Please only !vote in one section.
 * If you have a proposal, list it using the same format I have used. I have put two empty options that can be filled and more can be added if necessary.

Option 1

 * The new guideline should recommend that only clubs playing in a fully professional league (in that particular year) should have an article detailing an individual season. Clubs not playing in a fully professional league shouldn't have individual season articles unless they can be shown to meet the wider requirements of WP:GNG.


 * Users who endorse this proposal
 * 1) I personally think that Option 1 is the best option. - Yellow Dingo&#160;(talk) 04:52, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Option 2

 * No change should be made to WP:NSPORTS and, therefore, no subject notability guideline established. (no change).


 * Users who endorse this proposal
 * 1) First vote here

Option 3

 * There should be no inherent notability. No club at any level should have an article detailing a particular season unless it can be shown to meet WP:GNG.


 * Users who endorse this proposal

[Potential] Option 4

 * Please add a proposal option here.


 * Users who endorse this proposal

[Potential] Option 5

 * Please add a proposal option here.


 * Users who endorse this proposal