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Meelar (talk) 08:07, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

RE: Southern Syria.

Thanks for you intervention. Seems Anonmoos has decided to leave it alone.

John Ball 17:15 20 Jan 2005

Hi Yuber. I think you may be being just a little too bold in adding Category:Arab history to the pages of the Arab countries. There is already a Category:History of the Middle East which links specifically historical articles about Arabs and others in the region.--Pharos 05:40, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * True, i guess with the Arab League category it is kind of redundant.--Yuber
 * Then do you mind if I delete this category?--Pharos 04:15, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * No problemYuber 04:17, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi! Good to see someone editing more Arab-related topics. Have you checked out ar: yet? - Mustafaa 03:48, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, although i speak arabic fluently, i'm not that good at writing or reading. I mean, i know how to work out words phonetically and i know all the letters but i am not proficient enough for something like an encyclopedia :(.  Anyways, thanks for your encouragement, i'll continue editing arab-related topic here on the english site :).Yuber 03:58, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think you have a problem with the article I created called Islamic fascism. If you do perhaps you could discuss it with me. Walkingeagles 06:07, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Discussion forum for Souria.com
Hello Yuber. You mentioned in talk:Syria that their is a heated discussion in the English forums of Souria.com. I tried to find the link, but couldn't. Do you happen to know the address for this exact link? Regards, --Gramaic 02:36, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, here is the link to the discussion forums in English

http://www.souria.com/club/sb_forum.asp?forumid=3

Many of the topics got deleted, they were posted by Lebanese people trying to stir up trouble. Register if you want, we need more people on the forum :).Yuber 02:40, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks Yuber, I really appreciate it.--Gramaic 03:37, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

False flag revisions
It's debatable whether Irgun was a terrorist organization; I might even be convinced that it was. But the next time you make a change like that and flag it as "minor," I'll report you for vandalism. --Leifern 14:04, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

Categorization is almost always flagged a minor edit, and I think the Deir Yassin massacre proves they were a terrorist organization. The Zionist Terror Organizations category was finally made after a long debate, it's time to start putting it to use in a fair way.Yuber 15:07, 4 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Yuber, this is not the point. The point is that you've made multiple edits, flagged as minor with no description, which actually impact serious issues. I can only conclude that you're doing this to sneak around. Do it again, and I'll be the first to support Leifern's charge of vandalism. Mikeage 23:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Once again, I am fairly new to this and I didn't know that a categorization of a group regarded terrorist by almost everyone is not a minor edit.Yuber 04:40, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Yuber, I think you're much smarter than that. I could argue that "almost anyone" thinks that Yasser Arafat was a corrupt, degenerate imposter, but that doesn't give me the right to flag such a categorization (if it existed) as "minor."  --Leifern 13:36, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

Islamofascism
Hello. You always keep on asking on the Islamist Terroism page on why this word has anything to do with Islamist Terrorism. I wish for you to read this posting that I wrote on the talk page: "Islamofacism The word has been used in the article before, not as a direct reference to Islamist Terrorism, but as an article of interest of those who want to read up on the entire issues of terrorism. What happened this morning is that a user by the name of Spastika took the word out, called it a POV. I reverted it, since nearly everything he did was reverted because of his possible pro-Arab pov pushing. I am not sure when the word was added to the article, but all I wanted to do is bring it back to a previous version. Zscout370 (talk) 23:13, 4 May 2005 (UTC)"

Basically, all the link there was place there is just for those who are reading the article on Islamist Terrorism might be interested in the debate about Islamofacism. I agree with people that it is a word recently made up and made popular by "right wing nuts" like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh, but I believe it is a valid link to be put at the end of the article. Plus, as I mentioned before, I was reverting vandalism by a user who was vandalising many pages. Zscout370 (talk) 23:31, 5 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh ok, that's fine.Yuber 04:39, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Plus, I know the word is a slur and made up, but I was wondering if you, myself and others can agree to add the link to the article page. Dispite of what I told you and what I said on the talk page, it feels like I might have started an edit war over that word. What can we do to stop this editing war? Zscout370 (talk) 13:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Another question: do you think the comments by User:KaintheScion seen to be odd? Though this person has an account since (probably) this weekend, it feels like this person has been here before. The person's first comments were to defame (or attack, depending if the accusations are true or not) User:GraceNote. I do not know if this is getting bad, but if it does, I can have you talk to a few folks. Zscout370 (talk) 16:41, 7 May 2005 (UTC)


 * It doesn't seem that bad so far, just strange... For a user that just registered yesterday to have all the knowledge of the events of the past few weeks is fishy.  He claims he's just a "lurker" that decided to register and get in on things.  I don't think  anything needs to be done now as he just is trying to argue his POV in the talk page.Yuber 17:02, 7 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree, it is strange. I still think it will be valid to at least mention when the term was coined, the person who coined it, where it was first used, where it is used now and the objections of Muslims. If an article about Judeofascism comes up, I will have no problems with it. Zscout370 (talk) 17:09, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Syria Ribbon
Question, I am wondering why you put that on your user page. I have no problems with it, but I just want to know why you did it. Zscout370 (talk) 18:40, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Just to make my bland user page a bit more aesthetic.Yuber 21:04, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Thats more of a Pan Arab ribbon though, no? same colours as Egypt and iraq, and maybe others (I was always bad at flags!) --Irishpunktom\talk 20:47, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, the two green stars represent the Syrian version of the Pan-Arab flag. But yes, almost all Arab countries (except for maybe Tunisia and a few other North African ones) share the Pan-Arab colors.  Many of them also use Saladin's eagle as their state symbol (Egypt, Iraq, and Syria).Yuber(talk) 21:46, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re ChantingFox's reversions
As I gather from his talk page, ChantingFox is fairly new to Wikipedia, and was immediately praised for his work in reverting articles that had been vandalized. He's decided that what you and I see as vandalism is a serious edit and that you and I are the vandals, so he's determined to revert. I've left messages on his talk page. I dunno if I got through to him. Zora 20:58, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Nope, I was wrong. There's another message from ChantingFox on the vandalism alert page, saying that someone is spoofing him, and asking to have this IP blocked. So my initial guess (recorded on his userpage) that there was some skullduggery going on, was proved right after all. Zora 21:01, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I had a feeling something was strange when his contributions section showed that he only created his account today and already acquired a barnstar after editing a few Islamic related articles..Yuber 21:04, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


 * From checking the Page History, ChantingFox himself redirected Yuber's user page to douche, then switched it back. I do agree that there have been people who have been impersonating users on Wikipedia, but this edit was not by an imposter. Zscout370 (talk) 21:06, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Please note the difference between my username and his. This user copied my userpage AND talkpage completely, and redirected my userpage to the same one. --Chanting Fox 21:08, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh man, please accept my apologizes about that one Chanting. I realized now the same vandal has done the same thing to ClockworkSoul, copying the user page and all. If his IP was blocked, then the vandal must have been using a proxy, which is hard to block. However, a notice on Long Term Alerts on the Vandalism in Progress page should be warrented, since this vandal is causing many problems. Zscout370 (talk) 21:14, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Jizyah
Very nice work on this -- and no small amount of diplomatic skill, I notice.

I have made some minor style edits, hope they are helpful, let me know what you think. BrandonYusufToropov 03:03, 7 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Klonimus and Jayjg were going off interpretations by Ibn Warraq and Bat Ye'or. After their changes, the article basically read like one of those two's books.  Thanks for your edits, but Klonimus and Jayjg will probably be back trying to push POVs again.Yuber 03:09, 7 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I think I recall reading somewhere that there was a community that petitioned the Caliph (or somebody) for the right to pay jizyah -- they wanted protection, in other words. Of course, I don't have the source now. Ring any bells? BrandonYusufToropov 14:59, 8 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I think it's already in the article, the Christian Arabs that wanted to pay twice the amount of jizyah to express their gratitude. It might have to be made clearer.  It seems that Klonimus and Jayjg's editing style is to remove all quotes and examples that might shed a positive light on the actual history to the bottom and put the interpretations from Ibn Warraq and Bat Ye'or to the top.Yuber(talk) 22:30, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Saudi Arabia
Is there any reason to delete the text in Saudi Arabia, for example I don't find this paragraph POV:

"Highlights of mutaween activities in the news include instances where they prevented women from leaving burning buildings because they did not have proper Islamic headgear on, and numerous instances of religious persecution of non-Muslims for the "crime" of not being Muslim in Saudi Arabia."

since all of it is based on facts. -- Eagle 16:36, May 7, 2005 (UTC)


 * I hate the mutaween just as much as you do (have family living near dammam), but that paragraph was highly pov. For example, it claimed that the mutaween were found in most muslim countries (the only ones I can think of are Saudi and Iran).  It also claimed that the burning building incident was a "highlight", a highlight is usually a good thing.  If that paragraph was re-written in more NPOV language, I would see it as useful to the article.Yuber 16:50, 7 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks, now it's clear. Though I still believe it would be better if it was rewritten instead of having it deleted. -- Eagle 16:50, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

Vandalizing user pages
Vandalizing the user page of an admin will get you blocked. If you do it again, I will block you. RDsmith4 00:19, 8 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Who are you trying to kid? It's obvious you are an impersonator.Yuber(talk) 00:20, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Impersonation
Thanks! Any idea whose sockpuppet it might have been? &mdash; Dan | Talk 01:15, 8 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Go [here] for the latest info on the "impersonator vandal" aka the "doppelganger" Yuber(talk) 01:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

User:KaintheScion
This user has been engaging in POV-pushing on several articles, and upon overviewing his contributions I've noticed that he has also engaged in personal insults against you on several occasions. If you want to file a WP:RFC against him, I would be willing to co-sign it. Firebug 00:22, 9 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Yuber, KaintheScion is entitled to remove messages from his own talk page. Please don't revert him again. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 00:23, May 9, 2005 (UTC)


 * Yuber, you're the POV pusher, and stalking my contrib page to revert me is getting really old. Knock it off.KaintheScion


 * I actually didn't stalk your contrib page, but two of your edits came up on my watchlist. When I went to leave you a message, I saw that your talk page was cleared.  So I reverted to the last version (and there is no rule against this).Yuber(talk) 00:28, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

YOU POV PUSHING REVERT MONKEY
Stop reverting things when you could make edits, you stupid POV-pushing revert monkey.KaintheScion


 * Kain, stop the personal attacks. That is getting nobody nowhere. Zscout370 (talk) 03:17, 9 May 2005 (UTC)


 * ZScout, so far I've seen plenty of bad-faith revert pushing and POV pushing - not to mention screaming for references on every single syllable of the edits he's trying to push a POV into - out of Yuber. I've put a notice in the Dhimmi talk but I'm letting him know as well here, if he throws around another revert like that without bothering to explain why in the talk, I'm reporting him for vandalism. ElKabong
 * That is your call, however, you could have said to please stop the inserting of x,y and z, because we believe this is against NPOV. With the statement by Kain, I just think that was a bit over the top and uncalled for. POV pushing can be handled in several other ways. Zscout370 (talk) 20:03, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I just want to point out that ElKabong and KaintheScion are the same person, this has been proven by admin jpgordon. I will not respond to either one of them from now on because they are sockpuppets of each other.Yuber(talk) 14:07, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, Yuber. Is there a discussion of this by jpgordon and others that I can view? Zscout370 (talk) 14:12, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Right hereYuber(talk) 14:26, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Other than that one thing, I do not see anything much for sockpuppetry. However, give me some time and I could see what I can find. Zscout370 (talk) 14:35, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

RFC against User:KaintheScion
I have opened a RFC against KaintheScion due to his repeated use of personal attacks and false accusations of vandalism. You are free to endorse it if you so choose. Firebug 05:27, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah I just endorsed it, haven't been here the past two days, thanks.Yuber(talk) 21:19, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Credible sources
Thanks for providing sources for the quotes you insert, but please use more credible source than whatreallyhappened.com. &larr;Humus sapiens&larr;Talk 07:30, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Most of those sources were Israeli/American and were well-cited, they were not from a "hate-site". You should try to accept the fact that secular/leftist Israelis are quite good sources for revealing what the heroes of Zionism have said over the years.  Although those sources might have been from what you consider a "hate site", they were all well-cited in Israeli/American books.Yuber(talk) 13:26, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

3RR
Yuber, you were reported for 3RR at Golan Heights and, because you've been warned many times about 3RR, I've blocked you for 24 hours. If you feel this is unfair, please feel free to contact me using the "e-mail this user" function on my user page and I'll get straight back to you. SlimVirgin (talk) 10:38, May 16, 2005 (UTC)


 * Yuber, I see you've started editing-by-revert again. We don't have a right to revert each article three times in 24 hours: it's an upper ceiling, but we're not meant to take advantage of it. This post to Jay is the wrong attitude: "Um, please look at the edit history. I made an edit today, then you reverted.  Then I reverted, then you reverted.  Then I reverted again, then you reverted.  You're on three reverts, I'm on two." All that's going to happen is that someone will do an RfC on you, then it could go to the arbcom, where you could be placed on revert parole, blocked from editing certain articles, or blocked entirely for a period. If your edits matter to you, then make them stick by following our policies and making sure you have good sources. And if they don't matter to you, why bother making them in the first place? SlimVirgin (talk)  23:33, May 17, 2005 (UTC)


 * Jay reverted my edits within 3 minutes of when I had made them, perhaps he is the one editing "revert by revert". His claim that I have made 4 reverts and that he has only made 3 is a very shaky one.  If you would check the edits you would see the first sentence is sourced.Yuber(talk) 23:40, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


 * You were reported for a 3RR violation at Jizyah and have been blocked again for 24 hours. The first edit you made was a revert to a previous version, so it counts as your first revert, not your first edit. Regarding the content and the fact that you supplied a source: violating 3RR gets you blocked even if you're right, and to be honest, I haven't even checked out the content closely, because we're not supposed to take content into account when blocking for 3RR. If in future, you feel your edits are being unfairly deleted (because, for example, they're properly sourced), there are other steps you can take, and I'd be happy to discuss those with you, but you mustn't keep reverting. In addition to the above, you were offered the chance to self-revert. As before, if you feel this block is unfair, please feel free to e-mail me. SlimVirgin (talk)  02:11, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Arab scientists
I have an un-edited list of Arab scientists with a paragraph of biographical description for each. These are neither Persian nor Persian related. And Wikipedia doesnt have these folks listed.

I cant find the time to write an entry for each and put together the list. Im still working on the Persian list. And I have 60 other projects to finish and tend to.

Where do you want me to send this list to? (Or perhaps paste it somewhere?)--Zereshk 21:49, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Resafa
Hello Yaber. Thank you for your message and for letting me know that you have used one of my picture. I went back to Resafa this spring and under this link on my web site you will find frameless pictures of that trip. The one you've selected comes out best on a black background. --Zelidar 18:42, 2005 May 23 (UTC)

Category:Presidents of Syria
Hello Yuber. Since you work a lot with Syrian related articles, I thought you may have some pretty good ideas in how to expand this category. As you can see, the only presidents that are listed are Hafez and Bashar al-Assad. Other Syrian presidents that could be listed, I don't know, maybe Amin al-Hafez, Nur al Din al-Atassi, Nazem al-Qodsi, etc. So, what do think? Regards, --Gramaic 07:44, 24 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Note: Yuber, I'm having this category listed as an external link because there seems to be a small technical difficulty when I'm listing it as an internal link. --Gramaic 07:52, 24 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I'll see what I can do, there are plenty of articles about Syrian past presidents that should go in that cat.Yuber(talk) 02:51, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

&#1587;&#1601;&#1610;&#1585;&#1602;
Never heard of such a surname... Aramaic, maybe? Greek "Spheric"? - Mustafaa 18:06, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Weird... what's the context? - Mustafaa 00:24, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

So it's pronounced Suqayriq? I don't know... maybe Turkish? I'll ask around. - Mustafaa 00:46, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

3RR
You've been blocked for violating the 3RR. --nixie 02:46, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Vandalizing others' user pages
If you vandalize my user page again, I will report you for it. I have given Mel Etitis the same warning. Enviroknot 04:00, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * You have been identified as a sockpuppet by many admins and other respected users.Yuber(talk) 04:00, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * No, YOU have accused me and your fellow conspirators have followed your lead. You have posted no proof, only vague accusations. That is slander and vandalism.Enviroknot 04:02, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually I have seen Yuber accused of sock puppetry.--AI 01:06, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Did you know?
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Tell Halaf, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

Islam and other religions
Thanks Yuber for the message. I'll appreciate that. Cheers -- Svest 12:36, May 30, 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up&#153;

It's good to know
Just making sure you are aware of disussions Concerning you. Guy Montag, Humus sapiens and Jayjg (of course) seem to have let you get under their skin. Be aware they intend on reverting everything you do that they disapprove of. See here for details... and here too! --Irishpunktom\talk 15:02, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * They are also reverting me on articles that have nothing to do with the conflict and that they have no knowledge of. It is getting quite ridiculous and they are making themselves look stupid.  Anyways, thanks for pointing those discussions out for me.Yuber(talk) 15:07, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

User:Enviroknot
I'm out of reverts, so the sockpuppet template will remain deleted unless someone else joins in. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 17:28, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Does the 3RR rule apply to him on his own userpage as well? At least 3 different editors have kept putting that template back in.Yuber(talk) 17:37, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I have reported your vandalism.Enviroknot 20:42, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Khirbat
The word comes from the root &#1582;&#1585;&#1576;, and means "ruin". The Lisan al-Arab defines "kharab" as &#1590;&#1616;&#1583;&#1617;&#1615; &#1575;&#1604;&#1593;&#1615;&#1605;&#1618;&#1585;&#1575;&#1606;&#1616;, the opposite of civilization; in Algerian dialect, &#1582;&#1585;&#1617;&#1576; means to make a mess, or destroy. I believe it has a Hebrew cognate "Horvat"; probably Aramaic as well, but I'm not certain offhand. - Mustafaa 17:40, 30 May 2005 (UTC)


 * According to a book I've been reading, it refers specifically to an extension of a village, built beyond the edge of town. - Mustafaa 16:44, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

3RR
User:Enviroknot has reported you on the mailing list for 3RR at Dhimmi, claiming that you're also editing as User:199.181.178.37. I know of no evidence linking you to this IP address, and so there appears to be no violation. However, I ask you once again to stop reverting so often on so many articles. I protected three pages yesterday as a result of revert wars apparently triggered by you, and if it continues, it's likely that you'll eventually be placed on revert parole or even banned from editing certain articles. I urge you to reconsider your approach. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:33, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee case opening
Requests for arbitration/KaintheScion et al. has been accepted and is now open. Please bring evidence to Requests for arbitration/KaintheScion et al./Evidence. Thank you. -- sannse (talk) 18:41, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Banu Qurayza
Hey, I'd like your input on the Banu Qurayza article. As it stands I believe it to be inherently POV, and containing Factual errors caused by this bias. I have detailed this on the talk page, however, I could easily be missing something, and as you were the one who put up the, I'd like you to point out any errors you also see. Cheers man. --Irishpunktom\talk 14:58, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)


 * I did some editing and I pointed out some errors/inconsistencies. I will do more when I have the time.Yuber(talk) 00:11, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gaza Strip
I take it that you've read the talk page on Gaza Strip and come to a contray decision to everyone else regarding the relevance of the photos you keep reverting in? Josh Parris &#9993; 03:09, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Copyright tag
Could you please add source and licensing information (as well as a copyright tag) to Image:New community on the Golan .jpg &rarr;Raul654 08:33, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Airports of Palestine
I created this category, and placed the note at the top of the page to inform people of the status of Palestine (not currently a country) as all the other first level categories are countries. Please don't remove it. If you wish to discuss a better note, do that at the top of the talk page. Cheers. Burgundavia (&#9992; take a flight?) 09:11, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Again, please don't unilateral changes to the note. The Gaza Strip and the West Bank are contested, and it is good to mention that. And the link to the airports of Israel is useful due to the above controversy. Burgundavia (&#9992; take a flight?) 17:28, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

SomeThing personal??!!!
what do u got against the name Intifada of independence? anything personal? coz i beleive u r nt acting reasonably by removing it every time from the lebanon page; even u dont want it side by side to the name u reclaim to be the best, say "cedar revolution" that is.

"Trafficking in Persons Report 2005"
NPOV would consist of well-referenced information that trafficking in persons is not permitted in Saudi Arabia, that those who engage in trafficking are prosecuted, that victims of trafficking are protected, and that concrete and effective steps are being taken to prevent trafficking. Fred Bauder 15:38, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Mediterranean
Hi Yuber. I've created polls on Template talk:Mediterranean, so people can vote whether Armenia, and the West Bank can be classified as "Mediterranean." So, I invite you to check out these polls and cast your votes. Thanks, --Gramaic 03:27, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Protection
Yuber, I've just unlocked Jizya, Sea of Galilee, and Dhimmi, which were protected because of revert wars. I'd appreciate it if you could make sure the reverting doesn't start up again, otherwise I'll have to re-protect. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 22:58, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Hey there -- please check out latest edits on Terrorism
I fixed the balanced-example problem people claimed to be concerned about, but POV editors are massing the troops. Could I ask you to take a look and add your thoughts to the discussion? BrandonYusufToropov 01:42, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Similar (but much more longwinded) assaults at Jihad...
... which took several weeks of work to get to an NPOV state. Can you please take a look when you get the chance? BrandonYusufToropov 17:45, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That seemingly irrational trashing of the redirect on Islamofascism...
... is, I think, our friend KainEnviroScion pulling a Citizen Kane. (Remember the scene where everything gets tossed out the window?) BrandonYusufToropov 19:07, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

3RR
Hi Yuber, you've been reported again for 3RR violations, as you saw on my talk page. I haven't looked at them carefully yet, but I've glanced at Talk:Jihad. The other user has no right to remove the claim that Enviroknot etc are sockpuppets, but similarly you have no right to remove the claim that someone is an Islamist, which is not itself a personal attack, though I can see why it's taken that way. As for the other material you moved, you should probably just leave it.

You're attracting extremist responses because you're acting in an extreme way yourself. Then you over-react because you're being attacked by sockpuppets, and I completely understand that response, but it's making your situation worse. Please see that this is a dynamic that has to be broken, because it's going to escalate, and if you don't sort out your own role in it, the arbitration committee may do it for you by imposing editing restrictions on you.

Can I suggest you stop editing controversial articles for a period? Your presence around some articles is feeding the sockpuppets and anon IPs. You say on your user page that you have an interest in Syria, and some of the Syria pages could really use some good editing, so maybe you could do that?

If you do make a controversial edit, make sure you have a good source, and stick closely to what that source says. Don't insert any of your own opinions. Read No original research. Also, don't be so bothered by small details. For example, Operation Litani: you say Israel invaded Lebanon; Guy says attacked. Does the word "invaded" matter so much you have to keep reverting? You could say "Israeli troops attacked and entered Lebanon." Don't get so hung up on certain words. Above all, stop editing-by-revert. You might try imposing a revert parole on yourself: one revert per page per day or something, and see whether it makes a difference to people's responses to you.

If you do all this, and are using good sources, and still find yourself being reverted, ask people for help. I'd probably support you if you were doing all of the above, as would others.

I hope you'll give these suggestions some consideration. I don't want to keep on blocking you. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 22:55, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)


 * Also, I want to add that I know it can be very upsetting when you're being undermined about edits you care about. I don't want to give the impression that I think this is an easy thing for you to walk away from. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:00, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Enviroknot
You know, the revert war on Enviroknot's userpage has been going on for a few score edits now. Is this really the best way to deal with him? Surely, given some of the horrendous behaviour we've seen from him, there could be an arbcom case filed, or something like that? Ingoolemo  talk 06:11, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)

By the way, if your userpage keeps getting vandalised, I'd be happy to protect it for a few days. Ingoolemo  talk 06:11, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)


 * I've protected it. Yuber, let me know when you'd like it to be unlocked. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:32, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Palestine
Wikiportal/Palestine is not being used much. Would you be interested in updating/using it? - Mustafaa 00:06, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Suicide Bombing
Ther has been no "Consensus", Will has pointed out that the entire article is in dire need of an overhaul, so right now I'm not particularly concerned about that small piece. I myself want to bring about a hefty amount of changes, and remove a large amount of unsourced or flatly incorrect statements. I'm going tomorrow, away for a weeks, so i'll see what it's like when i come back, but if it's still the same I will need to serious changes. As it stands there are many paragraphs about Israel, a few words about the Tamil Tigers and almost nothing on the Suicide Bombing in Iraq. There is no mention of the Salafi's role in this, of the wahabbist movements attacks on the four main Sunni Maddhabs, that more Muslims have died as a result of Suicide Bombings than of other religions... oh I could go on. I'm leaving it for a little bit, but removing blatent.. "non-facts" (shall we say). --Irishpunktom\talk 20:46, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

Edit comment on Richard Durbin article
One word for you in regard to that editor: sockpuppet.
 * What's the protocol for getting guys like that blocked, anyhow? Shem(talk) 21:18, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Hm, you recently edited Soqotri language with an intent to move all that text elsewhere - it shouldn't be on Wikipedia, as it is directly copied from. Generally, if an anonymous user (or any user, for that matter) inserts a long-winded block of text, and it looks mildly suspicious, run about a sentence into google - often, it's a copyvio and/or plagiarized material. Cheers, – ugen64 00:46, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, never mind then. I'll delete it from the page I moved it to.Yuber(talk) 00:47, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

List of Muslims
You removed Bin Laden and Zarqawi from this list... please don't. They are self-proclaimed Muslims and even if they do not fit into the category under your estimation they do by in people's.  We had problems with a "Terrorist" section for that list and a "Militants" section as well... and ever since List of Christian militants was deleted so has the militant section on the Muslims list... therefore they have to go into the others section... gren 05:45, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

personal attacks on suicide bombing talk page
If I were you, I'd just leave them up there. This represents an obvious case of trolling, and I for one am not going to bother to respond to any of Enviroknot's comments if they aren't intended to work towards any version of the article. He just seems to get off on making people angry, and being made aangry himself, so maybe if we try and stop responding, he will calm down a bit. Perhaps my optimism will be ill-founded, hopefully notillWill 17:17, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll just stop responding from now on. But you are being overly optimistic, it's been over 3 months and he hasn't "calmed down".Yuber(talk) 18:43, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That long? He's really got some issues then. It's a shame that he vents them here, as it must be more frustrating for him than anybody else (which is saying something). Well, I am at least encouraged that a consensus of sorts was reached between you, Jay, Myself, Tom and Noitall - I get the impression that we are all coming at the issue from very different angles.illWill 18:49, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Proper Editing
I hold no grudges for your role in blocking me or in your past as a serial reverter. I have been encouraged the past couple days that you have refrained from these activities and even made an acceptable edit or two. But I will get very very upset when you do these things: 1. go back to your serial reverting ways, 2. deceptively edit out my edit and call it "minor", 3. entirely edit out my edit without discussing on the talk page first, 4. go onto controversial pages and make wholesale changes, especially when those pages are far outside of your expertise as in christianity. Please honor this reasonable request and we will get along fine. --Noitall 20:56, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Ishmael in Christianity
Hey Yuber, Noitall is correct. Ishmael is not regarded as "the ancestor" of "the Arabs" for a number of reasons that should be pretty obvious. First off, "Arabs" is far more of a linguistic identification than an indicator of common descent. Beyond that, the only claims of descent from Ishmael come from Arab muslim sources, and even those claims deal primarily with the lineage of Islam's prophet Muhammad. These sources are not viewed as authoritative (or even accurate) by most Christian scholars, and therefore form no part of Christian religious philosophy wrt the rôle of Ishmael in the lineage of "the Arabs". While it is probably true that many Christians, especially in Europe, primarily as a result of the 19th century romanticism of various French writers, believe that Ishmael is the patriarch of "the Arabs" analogous to Yitzchaq being a Jewish patriarch, this belief is not, nor has it ever been, any part of Christianity. Tomer TALK 00:56, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Toxicity parody
I don't know that it has a name - it's done as sort of a joke cover. I downloaded it off Kazaa myself, from a general search on Tenacious D. -- BD2412 talk 02:59, 2005 Jun 18 (UTC)
 * Oops - my mistake! Tenacious D parodied Chop Suey! -- BD2412 talk 19:01, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)

3RR
You've been reported for a 3RR violation at Abraham and have been blocked from editing for 24 hours. If you feel this block is unfair, feel free to e-mail me using the link on my user page. SlimVirgin (talk) 10:42, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)


 * The diffs are here Administrators' noticeboard/3RR if you want to check them. SlimVirgin (talk) 11:02, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Unwarranted reverts
You did remove my source additions to Ma Malakat Amaynukum without stating reasons at e.g. the Talk Page. --Germen 12:13, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Qana
Yuber, I've left a query for you on Talk:Qana. SlimVirgin (talk) 03:31, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks.
Thanks for helping revert vandalism on my user page by enviroknot (aka Kain, Kabong whatever). --Anonymous editor 01:58, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

User:Enviroknot
User:Enviroknot can edit his own user page if he wants. If you have a problem with him editing his own user page, take it to RfC. JYolkowski // talk 01:59, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd really rather that they didn't, but they'll continue regardless of what I want. Note that there are some others who are removing the template as well.  This dispute would probably be helped by an RfC; if no-one opens one before tomorrow, I think I will.  JYolkowski // talk 02:06, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Misunderstood?
Man, you are probably one of the most picked on people in many articles. Why is that?

I am strongly against this arbitration thing that some are doing against you, where any defense for you is removed and vandalized by other "anti-Yuber" editors. So far from what I have seen in articles that you edited is that you have a consistent POV (good thing) and you cite your sources. Since I am a high advocate of NPOV, I don't like the antagonization/harassment of specific editors. If you need any help for mediation/support at all in any of the articles, just ask. Hope that helps. --Anonymous editor 03:55, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Anytime you need help on Islam-related articles especially, I'll mediate/support. --Anonymous editor 04:12, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Ed Poor has been kind enough to nominate me for an adminship
...which I think will go a long way toward resolving unproductive disputes on pages he and I both edit. Anyone who is interested in voting one way or the other is invited to the discussion here. BrandonYusufToropov 17:08, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Protected
Islamo-fascism is now protected, as is Islamofascism. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:50, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Lebanese
I thought using the word "variety" was more NPOV as you had said before in another article, so that's why I changed dialect to variety.Yuber(talk) 00:42, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * In general I agree, but when there's a relatively high-profile debate as here, I think it's better to mention both sides. - Mustafaa 00:43, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bosra
hi Yuber

I think you are mixing between biblical Bozrah in Jordan and Bosra in Syria

the capital of Edom is Bozrah in Jordan, as you can read in many other sites:

Bozrah: The modern city of Buseirah preserves the name and location of ancient Bozrah. Bozrah was the ancient capital of the Edomites. The earliest significant remains at Buseireh are from 800 B.C. Bozrah has the largest Iron Age buildings from Transjordan, and it may have been the king’s palace. The city is mentioned in several passages from the prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah (Isa 34:6; 63:1; Jer 49:13,22).

the great Nabatean capital of Petra in all of its rose-red splendor, and Bozrah (modern Buseira), capital of the ancient kingdom of Edom. Both were excellent locations for capital cities, securely protected by natural topographical features and well-situated to control the flow of commerce in the region. Jerusalem University College Current News Update --Urij 08:58, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ancient capital city of Edom 26 miles SSE of the Dead Sea near Petra. An important Edomite strong hold from 1200 to 600 BC, it was the home of Jobab the second known king of Edom. According to the Old Tedstament its destruction was prophesied by Amos and Isaiah ..... (AHSFC)

Bozrah is thought to be a very ancient town, being mentioned in tablets by Thumose the Third and Akhnaten in the 14th century BC. It was one of the first Nabatean cities in the second century BC and in the Hellenistic period it bore the name Bostra. Then the Romans arrived and the King Trajan made it a capital of the state of the Djezire under the name of Nova Trajana Bostra http://ancientneareast.tripod.com/Bostra_Bozrah_Busra.html --Urij 09:02, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

by the way, my mother's birth town called Bosra... --Urij 09:02, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) --Urij 08:26, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I put my answer in my talk page --Urij 22:00, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Injunction
Yuber, the arbitration committee has issued a temporary injunction against you, so I'm not sure whether you're supposed to be editing. See Requests_for_arbitration/Yuber/Proposed_decision. I've put a query on Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Yuber/Proposed decision to ask when it starts. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:39, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)


 * The arbcom has confirmed that the injunction has started. Not only are you still editing, but you're still reverting. Please read the injunction: link above. SlimVirgin <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 01:33, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)


 * Please stop. Otherwise you may end up getting temporarily blocked.  Thanks, JYolkowski // talk 02:08, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Another thing
Just made Notice board for Palestine-related topics. - Mustafaa 20:33, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration committee decision
The arbitration committee has reached a final decision in Requests for arbitration/KaintheScion et al. &rarr;Raul654 July 2, 2005 02:29 (UTC)

Other accounts
Could you please tell me whether you have edited Wikipedia under another account. Or anonymously for a period before you created the account Yuber? Fred Bauder July 3, 2005 21:58 (UTC)

You there
Hey, have you disappeared? --Irishpunktom\talk July 4, 2005 15:01 (UTC)

You're right, Yuber
Wikipedia is heavily biased by viewpoints and interpretations of facts that are excessively favorable to jews and, on the other side of the same coin, Wikipedia is systematically, continually scrubbed 'clean' of viewpoints and factual interpretations that fail the test of favoring jews. It's not at all in your imagination, or in anyone's imagination. It's very real. Maybe we can't change that, but at least we can acknowledge it. For anyone who doubts this, I invite them to just trot on over to the Zionism article, or the article on the USS Liberty, for example.

File:Image:Kataeb.jpg listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Image:Kataeb.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. User:Yuber (talk) 13:04, 17 May 2015 (UTC) I'm only listing this because no article use this image (Kataeb Party promo?) Thuresson 07:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Islam poll
I thought you might be interested in this.Farhansher 04:59, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey
How's it going being in exile? :)

Are you coming back anytime soon? Salaam, a-n-o-n-y-m  17:35, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

Your RFA
Now is probably the time to check out your RFA. a-n-o-n-y-m 03:27, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Happy Ramadan
Have a very happy Ramadan. Salaam a.n.o.n.y.m   t 00:10, 4 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Eid Mubarak to you and best wishes. -- a.n.o.n.y.m  t 01:25, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration case involving you
The Arbitration case centred on Yuber has closed. As a result of this:


 * Both you and Guy Montag are each placed on Probation for one year from the date of closing this case (9th of October, 2005). Should any sysop feel that it is necessary that either you be banned from an article where you are engaged in edit warring, removal of sourced material, POV reorganizations of the article, or any other activity which the user considers disruptive they shall place a template or  as appropriate at the top of the talk page of the article, and notify you here. The template shall include the ending date of the ban (one year from this decision) and a link to Probation. The template may be removed by any editor, including yourself, at the end of the ban. If you edit an article they are banned from, you will be briefly blocked from editing Wikipedia, for up to a week for repeat offenses.
 * You are instructed to use only this account, and no anonymous IPs. What editing constitutes yours is up to any sysop to decide. If you violate this, any sysop is authorised to ban you for up to a week.
 * Guy Montag is banned from editing any article related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from the date of closing this case (9th of October, 2005).

Yours,

James F. (talk) 11:40, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey
Wellcome back. A lot of stuff is goinon around here. Farhansher 16:35, 13 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Can't believe I forgot to welcome you back. Welcome and see you around. a.n.o.n.y.m   t 03:37, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Syria
You changed some stuff in the article on Syria that I don't agree with. I believe Turkish is spoken as a first language in parts along the Turkish border among Turkish minorities there, like in Qamishli (although for example Kurdish is a bigger language, and the Turkish minority is small). And the Golan Heights were formally annexed in 1981 by the Begin government, and are now formally part of Israel (according to Israel). Arre 18:31, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, they're not using the word "occupation" either. Regardless of what the government is saying, the Golan Heights are for all intents and purposes annexed: Israeli law has been made the law of the area, and it is in every way treated as part of official Israel; like the Jerusalem Municipal Area but unlike the rest of the West Bank. But of course Begin's comment could be included somewhere. Arre 21:42, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

On the contrary, I meant we should use the word "annexed" just as we use the word "occupied". Begin saying "it's not annexed" right after in fact annexing it, is just paying lip service to international law to avoid condemnation. And that was my point. I just changed the sentence, by the way, to straighten out the language, but I said nothing on annexation. Cheers, Arre 21:54, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Islamophobia
HI. I have added some links to the page. If any of you have time, that article needs to be expanded. With the passage of time, it has been shrunk to nothing. Thanks. Farhansher 01:01, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

What Wikipedia is not so stop your revert war--CltFn 04:22, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Dhimmi
I don't know which is right, only that this is one of the articles you and Heraclius reverted a lot, and it shouldn't start up again. Please go to the talk page and ask there for sources for the passages you disagree with. The sources have to be credible and preferably in the English language. If people can't produce sources within a reasonable time, you can delete the unsourced sections you disagree with, and if they try to restore them, then they will be in the wrong, not you. But if you delete them and replace them with a version of your own, then you have to provide sources too. If everyone sticks to the policies, the disputes will be minimized. See WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, WP:V, and Reliable sources. Cheers, SlimVirgin <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 01:55, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi Yuber, thanks for the message. At the moment I don't have access to a library and amn't well enough acquainted with the subject to discuss it off the top of my head (apart from the fact that sources are pretty badly needed to back up whatever's stated here anyway). So while your remarks seem reasonable I'm not really in a position to get involved. I'll be back in Damascus, God and the hijra wa jawazat willing, sometime next week and may be able to do something on it.


 * I've done some stuff on Syrian topics as well over the past while, you can check my user contributions and see if there is anything there you can improve. All the best, Palmiro | Talk 14:42, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Yuber - please stop vandalizing my edits on the background section of Dhimmi. This is vandalism because you give no reasonable source for your baseless allegation that the dhimma pact is not based upon the Qur'an and Sura 9:29. The Ibn Kathir quotation is given as evidence that Sura 9:29 is the basis in the Qur'an for the dhimma, so it belongs in the background, not in a letter section. Your most recent revert also deleted some the material I had included, without explanation or justification, to remove the references to the Sunna of Muhammad. You are pushing a point of view. Eagleswings 22:49, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Islamic Sceince
Just revert without giving any explanation. If he/she protests, ask her for documentation supporting what she claims. In the case of Muslim science, there is way more than ample evidence to shut up any refuters and naysayers. I have just finished writing a 2500 word essay on the history of Islamic Ophthalmology. I am currently trying to see if I can get it published in a professioanl journal. And I will eventually upload it on Wikipedia, which I think you will find it very beneficial.

What I am saying is this: the more documentation and detail we provide, the less people can come along and insult our cultures. And tyhat's what I am trying to do: flood wikipedia with more than enough evidence that muslims, Arabs, Persians, Turks, and Asians contributed greatly to science, like everyone else did.

I'll try to help out.--Zereshk 05:01, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Minor edits, and more on dhimmis
مرحبا يوبر

may I point out that it looks like you have your preferences set to mark all your edits as minor edits. Since you make quite a lot of edits that aren't minor (and long may you continue to do so), may I suggest you take a look at your "preferences" page and change that?

As for dhimmi, I'm not altogether convinced that it's justified to delete the thing inserted about Ibn Kathir. I agree that your source appears to back you up, but so does his seem to back him up. That means that we need to either: (a) find a strong basis for disregarding it, based on solid sources; or (b) put it properly into context, again based on solid sources, and provide a more solid account of the general views of contemporary Islamologues as well as, preferably, contemporary ulama. I will try to do something on it when I get back to Damascus. I've left a note to roughly that effect on the talk page, feel free to reply there or on my Talk. Palmiro | Talk 14:51, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I am not an expert on Ibn Kahtir, I just wanted to keep the sura 9:29. I think that from a theological point of view, the dhimmi status is justified by this Sura as much as the Omar pact. Both element should be there. Note that the dhimmi status is not exclusive to Sunni Islam, an that Omar represent Sunni Islam only .--equitor 21:18, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I would point out that it's not up to us to decide what in the Quran is the basis for what phenomena of Islam as a religion: the only robust way of finding a link is to see where they are cited as such by Islamic thinkers or persons who actually proposed given actions based on them. Any other approach would be a misunderstanding of what a sacred text really is and its relationship with the religion that claims it (and of course, would also violate WP:NOR ;) Of course, this doesn't rule out citing Ibn Kathir, quite the contrary, but it does rule out us saying "Look, surat 9.29 says X and that is clearly why Y happened". Just a nitpicking remark from a sceptic... Palmiro | Talk 22:14, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Cat for deletion
You might like to take a look at this, which in addition to having me in a state of tooth-grinding fury, sets a pretty bad precedent. Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_October_13 Salaamaat, Palmiro | Talk 15:53, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Sockpuppets
Thanks Yuber. I replied to the email. -- a.n.o.n.y.m  t 23:51, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

مرحبا
Thanks for your message, my name is Hosam and I'm from New York. I wanted to write something about leisure and entertainment (cafes, restaurants, bars etc...) in Damascus, but since i haven't been back in four years, i'm afraid that i'm not up to date. Could you add something on the issue? Also do you happen to have a nice picture of modern Damascus to replace that ugly 80's "rooftops" photo? We don't want to scare the ajaneb away. yalla Salam :) Samosyr

New page on Islamic medicine
Check it out dude. I wrote the thing. Use it everywhere you can!--Zereshk 04:28, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you very much for you know what. ;) -- a.n.o.n.y.m  t 19:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Atharis
You know more about Islam than I do, but with a little Websurfing (, for instance) I concluded that Athari and Ashari are two different movements within Islam. So why did you redirect Atharis to Asharite? Shouldn't Atharis keep their own article? Art LaPella 05:32, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Eid Mubarak
Eid Mubarak and best wishes from my side. F.a.y. تبادله خيال /c 03:50, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

User categorisation
You were listed on the Wikipedians/Syria page as living in or being associated with Syria. As part of the User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Syria for instructions. -- Gurch 16:40, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Bellil and CltFn
Hello Yuber, Rhobite, and FayssalF,

There has recently been a conflict over a article, Samira Bellil, that you were involved with, involving user CltFn. I have tried to negotiate a compromise over the article that I believed was fair, but CltFn has rejected part of that compromise (which involved him adding inline and in-text citations to many of his contributions.) I believed the compromise was very fair and that it was strongly consistent with wikipedia rules.

I've been involved with a few recent content disputes over other articles, and both of them were resolved to everyone's satisfaction after lots of work. I really don't have the energy to do it all over again right now. I would appriciate it if you would attempt to find a solution to the problem of NPOV, bias and what I think is anti-Islamic and racist material, that exists in the article any way you can. If you end up having an "official" dispute with CltFn, either about this article or in general, please contact me on my talk page, and I will be happy to provide any comments to any official dispute process. Sdedeo 04:14, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Samira Bellil
Stop your vandalizing of this article. You have not contributed anything to it, and it does not seem like you know anything about the topic. --CltFn 17:52, 6 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yuber you can start by reading the references at the bottom of the page and learn what this article is all about before you go around blanketing sections you know nothing about--CltFn 18:00, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't care what you think I know or don't know about the topic, because in reality, if this were just a black non-Muslim girl getting raped by other black non-Muslims you wouldn't give an iota of attention to her. So instead of attacking others' viewpoints, we should instead focus on the facts. And the fact is you have broken the 3RR and have done so using multiple IP's. I urge you to accept the compromise version, or you will get a 3RR report filed and be blocked. Yuber(talk) 18:14, 6 November 2005 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CltFn"


 * The facts are in the referencs, I hope you find the time to read them, and I have not broken the 3 RRs as you seem to think. I have even made numerous compromises on the article if you had bothered to properly study the history. By the way when are you planning on adding something useful to the article instead of resorting to threats and attacking the messenger--CltFn 18:20, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

The sentence in the article Golan Heights
The sentence says that what is today the Israeli part of the Golan Heights was conquered by Israel in the Six-Day War and again it was conquered by Israel in Yom Kippur War. Toya 20:07, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
I just wanted to thank you for your support of my RfA which finally passed! I greatly appreciate it! Ramallite <sup style="color:DarkBlue;">(talk) 04:10, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Golan Heights
In the Hebrew article about the Golan Heights it is written: "The Israeli part of the Heights was conquered from the Syrians in Six Day War and was conquered again in Yom Kippur War." That's why i wrote there what i wrote. Toya 10:38, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

anti-arabism
Added to my watch list. Are we now proposing we remove all of the hatefull quotes from the anitsemetism article I wonder? If you dont want them quoted later on - dont say vile things. Unbehagen 13:10, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I added it to my watchlist as well, it seems that you have made the most recent edits last I checked. I do have slight problems with that article from both perspectives, and I'll post there if need be. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Ramallite <sup style="color:DarkBlue;">(talk) 19:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Shaizar
I see that you just uploaded a PD pic of Shaizar. May I ask how you know it is PD? Did you take it yourself, or get permission from the taker, or is it simply a really old picture? --Maru (talk) Contribs 16:04, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Yuber, thanks for your welcome message. I will try to go through them. Whateverdude 09:41, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Syria etc
Yuber, please be careful with the reverting and bear in mind the ruling. History of Syria, Lebanon, and Syrian occupation of Lebanon now protected. Please discuss the issues on the talk pages. Query for you at Talk:Syria. Cheers, SlimVirgin <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 04:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, can I ask whether you intend to continue reverting at the above? I'd like to unprotect, but there's no point if I have to re-protect immediately. SlimVirgin <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 21:11, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Another Syrian thingie
You might have something to add to the Syrian section on Jewish exodus from Arab lands.

Also, I want to write an article on Saidnayya - feel like a collaboration? Palmiro | Talk 22:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Ah, there you are. I'd looked for it in one or two places and didn;t see it. The umpteen possible ways of writing Arabic names in English is a real pain in the wherever. Palmiro | Talk 23:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration ruling
Yuber, this is to let you know that I consider you to be in violation of the decision at Requests for arbitration/Yuber in your editing of Syria, Lebanon, Syrian occupation of Lebanon, History of Syria, and your creation of Israeli occupation of Lebanon, which looked like a violation of WP:POINT. In particular, your revert of History of Syria 40 minutes after I'd unprotected it with an edit summary asking you not to revert was a violation.  I've checked with the arbcom and they've confirmed that these articles are covered by their enforcement provision.

If you continue to revert or delete properly sourced and relevant material at these articles, I may enforce the ruling against you. See Requests_for_arbitration/Yuber. I don't want to do that, because these are articles that need your input. I understand that you feel frustrated, but please keep on arguing your case on talk, and accept that other editors will inevitably add material that you don't like. All you can do is ask for credible sources, and you should do that, but if they produce a credible source, and if the material is relevant and properly written, you can't delete it. However, you're perfectly entitled to go and look for another credible source that presents an opposing view, and you can add that next to the material you don't like. I'm sorry to write to you like this. SlimVirgin <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 08:48, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yuber, I'm serious. If you remove this again, I may ban you from that page. SlimVirgin <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  06:25, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Islamofascism
Hi there Yuber, my feeling is that it would be a mistake to change article to a redirect to neofascism and religion. "Islamofascism" is different from other forms on neofascism at least in that the term has become a media buzzword and a source of controversy in and of itself. I added a "see main article" link to the Islam section of neofascism and religion. Also, I had a look at the AfD, and the consensus as determined by the closing admin was Keep, rather than merge and redirect. Anyway, thanks for dropping the note, regards, Babajobu 11:53, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, there should be some serious talk about it... and the article should be talked about in a proper manner if it exists and it should be linked based on its importance... meaning, it shouldn't become more prominent than it is. However, last night (at about 1 a.m. EST) I was watching President Bush make a speech in Osan Korea... and he mentioned the term Islamofascism in a context of "radical Islamism, Islamofascism, whatever you want to call it". I don't particularly mind an article... it just has to be done correctly... and that's pointing out what circles teh phrase is popular in... not overemphasizing the tenuous Nazi-Islam links, having proper rebuttals.. Somewhere we need an explanation of Amin al-Husayni's motives going to the Nazis, the backlash, etc.. it wasn't just a great happy story of all Muslims love Nazis... and anything insinuating that is quite silly. Germans (the same happened with Iran) had the distinction of being a real power not tainted by colonial endeavors in the Middle East. The British and French had cut up the Middle East... so, when there's a war brewing... who do you side with? The ones who have hurt your area or the ones that haven't done anything and allow for romantic nationalism. I mean, the complexities, if not glossed over, could make a decent article. But, using User:Klonimus/Islamofascism|klonimus' version would not work since... well, it's not neutral and make normative implications. I guess we'll see how this works out. I saw that Mel reverted it... but, is there any discussion going on? gren グレン 20:07, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't really care if there is an article or not... it's not a very notable phrase but if people insist on having an article than so be it. It is a natural extension of neo-fascism and religion... just, about a specific religion.  However, to let the article become a huge POV magnet is the issue and I am, of course, fully opposed to that.  Klominus' version is biased in my (and many others') view.  I will check up on the debate, but if it comes to be recreated it wouldn't be the end of the world for me... as long as we kept it neutral in all regards.  I wasn't arguing that it needs an article, just that it has a certain amoung of prevalence if the president uses it. gren グレン 06:05, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Quit your vandalism
You are just trying to provoke a 3RR situation. read the book for Pete's sake and see for yourself.--CltFn 15:41, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of Jewish jurists
Similar to the historians (with some odd switched votes related to cleanup efforts on the underlying article)

Syria
Hi Yuber, in accordance with Requests for arbitration/Yuber and Probation, this is to inform you that you are banned from editing Syria for one month from this date for continuing to remove properly sourced and relevant material. You may continue to edit the talk page. SlimVirgin <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 22:08, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Help
Please vote to redirect Islamofascism to Neofascism and religion...

... which is where it belings. Vote here:  BrandonYusufToropov 23:13, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Anti-Arab
Thanks for talking to me. For reasons, see the discussion page. IronDuke 16:32, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

POV in "Anti-Arab" article.
in the article in question, you posted;


 *  In reality this view holds little truth. More than 75% of Arab Americans are in fact Christian, while terrorism is an international phenomenon. The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists, and victims of terrorist attacks worldwide count many Arabs and Muslims.

Now, i'm not much of a researcher in religion, but you're basically trying to discredit the Islamic faith by saying 75% of Arab Americans are Christian, which just seems immediately fishy. Regardless of what faith you are, i'm quite sure you will have some passages or related matter with regards to temperence and how to treat others. I suggest you follow such materials, and either reference your submissions, or stay well clear of articles you cannot meaningfully contribute to.

Spum 16:58, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Sultanism
Have left a message for you on the Talk:Sultanism page. Regards. WikiSceptic 18:13, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

FYI
I recently had this posted on my talk page, which I thought you might want to be aware of. --HappyCamper 02:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Foreign relations of Syria
Yuber, I have received a number of complaints of (and even witnessed) you exhibiting behaviour which has been expressly forbidden by the Arbitration Committee. The most recent incident is at the Foreign relations of Syria article. While it would be perfectly reasonable for me to ban you from editing that article altogether, instead I will give you a final warning to abide by the terms of your probation. I will not be giving further warnings on this subject. Jayjg <small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk) 20:52, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * This is the behaviour I was talking about; . Jayjg <small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk) 22:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Jihad
Zeno is hopeless, he wants do teach Muslims what they truly belive in. Just give me a call next time there is a need for a well deserved revert. --Striver 00:51, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Be aware, Jayjg and Klonimus are Conspiring against you. --Irishpunktom\talk 09:55, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Stop your whitewashing
The intro is fully documented, click the links , Your version is not.--CltFn 02:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Islamist terrorism
Would you mind trying to continue some sort of discussion on the talk page? These revert wars are not going anywhere anytime soon. JRM · Talk 21:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Islamist terrorism
This article is controversial enough that I'll have several users complaining no matter what version I protect it on. Edit warring is bad, don't do it. I wouldn't have needed to protect it if there wasn't an edit war over this. --Phroziac. o ºO (mmmmm chocolate!) 22:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Golan heights
Hi Yuber. Don't let yourself get taunted into a revert war. Palmiro | Talk 21:51, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Islamophobia - 3RR
You've been reported for a 3RR violation at Islamophobia and have been blocked from editing for 24 hours. If you feel this block is unfair, feel free to e-mail me using the link on my user page. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 20:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah
Yeh, I'll keep an eye on it. It was already on my watchlist, so i don't know how I missed it. I think that article could be expanded. I really think it ironic how the Western Media translates Kuffr as "Infidels" considering, the words are not the same, and that the word infidel was brough into common use as a way of describing Muslims. But, yeah, I'll keep my eyes peeled.--Irishpunktom\talk 01:25, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

3RR
You have been blocked from editing Wikipedia for violation of the three revert rule on Islam in the United States. The block is for a period of 24 hours. Please discuss your changes further on talk pages rather than reverting. If an edit war is continuing, consider posting on the Requests for page protection to have an admin protect the page. To contest this block, add the text   on this page, along with an explanation of why you believe this block to be unjustified. You can also email the blocking administrator or any administrator from this list. Please be sure to include your username and IP address in your email. &mdash;BorgHunter (talk) 07:07, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Southern Syria
Perhaps User:John Ball can stop mutilating and amputating the article based solely on his rigid inflexible dogmatic insistence on his nonsensical beliefs that (1) Arabs did not not have any concept of "Syria" before WW1 (2) No Arab ever used the phrase "Southern Syria" except as a part of conscious scheming Pan-Syrian political machinations. AnonMoos 18:59, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Oriana Fallaci
I've blocked the anon, who is almost certaintly CltFn. I didn't extend the CltFn block as a gesture of goodwill, but I intend to if he does it again, so let me know if you see any other edits you think might be him. Cheers, SlimVirgin <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 00:26, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Islam in the U.S.
I don't like either section particularly. Firstly... for your slave thing... can you find a better source? For the Muslims hating the U.S. we need to find something that gives us more than "a segment" because a segment of every religion hates the U.S. There needs to be something clear and scholarly because... as of now it's too vague. gren グレン 06:04, 25 December 2005 (UTC)


 * It's surely not neutral... or, if it is they show no evidence that it is. The problem is when you get to this level of stuff you need to have read most of the literature on these issues... you can't just cite something as authoratative.  That goes for both sides of this issue of course.  It is rather misleading because it seems to be portraying as the norm... gren グレン 06:08, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

RE: Blatant POV by you.
WP:CITE, Avoid weasel words. -- Mistress Selina Kyle  (  Α⇔Ω ¦  ⇒✉  )  17:48, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

re: Oriana Fallaci
I wouldn't go as far as call it outright vandalism, but it's certainly POV-pushing, at least to some extent (especially as the removed bits were sourced). I've restored the paragraphs now. - ulayiti <font color="#226b22"> (talk) 17:50, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Hi Yuber! Thank you for your kind support on my RfA. I'll deal with that as soon as I am back! -- Szvest 17:29, 25 December 2005 (UTC) <font style="background: white"> Wiki me up&#153;

Dayr
Thanks! Fecking sly bastards, how come I missed that? I've actually seen Deir referred to just as Ter Zor quite a few times in Armenian sources, so it's useful having the name there. At least they aren't as numerous and insistent as the POV warriors in one or two other areas. Palmiro | Talk 01:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * There seems to be some intra-Syriac, or perhaps Syriac-Assyrian, warfare going on. It's a bit silly, but I'm inclined to leave them to it for the moment. Life's too short for that sort of thing. Palmiro | Talk 02:26, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Reverting Religion and slavery
Please discontinue reverting User:Karl Meier on the Religion and slavery. If you disagree with his changes, please discuss the issue on the talk page rather than pointlessly reverting each other. Thanks! And you might want to think about archiving your talk page. It's huge! ;) --K. AKA Konrad West TALK 02:42, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Religion and slavery
nice edit

See how much better it is when you just try give an equal amount of negative info on all sides instead of just trying to sneakily cover up or deny anything bad Islam or Muslims do?

-_- -- Mistress Selina Kyle   (  Α⇔Ω ¦  ⇒✉  )  03:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

OceanSplash
Yuber, would you mind commenting here? Cheers, SlimVirgin <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 20:57, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Rolling back the steadily incoming tide of shit
You may be interested in the proposed merge under discussion here. All the best, Palmiro | Talk 04:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * To be honest I wasn't convinced that Dhimmi was a terribly good article to begin with, but it does seem to be headed downhill at the moment. Really it needs a comprehensive rewrite using good sources. It something I've been meaning to do for ages but still haven't found the time for. Palmiro | Talk 16:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Re-added
I re-added. It's true, it is a bad source, but we are not here to talk about how bad her books are, that would be original research. --Irishpunktom\talk 17:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Proposed merge
I propose merging Islamist terrorism into Militant Islam, Dar al-Harb into Dar al Islam & Offensive jihad into Combative jihad, please comment if you have thoughts on the matter. Thanks. F.a.y. تبادله خيال /c 21:02, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

جبل الشيخ
Hi Yuber,

it´s partly in the demilitarised zone and partly in the occupied zone. I'm not sure which the peak is in (I think in the UN zone, but that's just a feeling), but certainly the point of highest elevation in territory controlled by Israel is on Jabal al-Shaikh. If you can find a map that shows contour lines you might be able to work it out.

Oh, and happy new year!

Palmiro | Talk 22:12, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Islamist terrorism
Yuber, I'd advise you not to engage in revert-warring on Islamist terrorism or any other page, as per the terms of your ArbCom ruling. It only inflames tensions and may result in your being blocked. FCYTravis 01:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

syriacs vs syrians
Hi

It is not my intention to remove everything that has to do with arab syrians, my intention is to claryfie the fact that the syrians(today) arent the same as the old syrians who today call themselves Syriacs due to the fact that the arabs are using the name syrians. That is why im making the changes, so it wont be missunderstandings about syriacs/old syrians and the current arab-syrians. I hope that you understand my idea and understand my intentions.

It would be like if I would put a link from Wilheim (german emperor WWI) to the french people, it just doesnt work.

Suryoyo 01:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC) //Michael

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em, Syria is an arab nation, arab culture and arab tradition. The few Syriacs that live there are a very little minority. And the old syrians have no connection to the present Syria, It would be strange if we would call a roman from Iberia Spanish just becouse the geografic place has changed from Iberia to Spain. dont you agree. And if you want to connect the person to a geografical place then it is still not good to use present syria, it is better to use the name of place where the person lived in, for example roman empire (cole-syria). dont you think? then you give the reader accurate information. Suryoyo 01:42, 4 January 2006 (UTC) //Michael --- Now, again ill try to give you an example, if we find a text of a person who lives in ravenna in year: 129AD, and he writes in roman but with a local writing form. what would this person supposed to be? the probablity of the person beeing roman is pretty high.

Now, We know that the so called palmyren language is nothing else than an aramean language as for Syriac. You can compare todays East and west Syriac. Zenobia is from in aramaic: Tadmor/[Palmyra], now we all know that Arabs as a identity or so called people came around 600AD. There is no evidence that Zenobia is an arab. in the other hand we have several writings about the people in the Greater ancient Syria were called Syrians by them selves and by romans/greeks. with some exeptions of calling them for arameans or babyloninas or assyrians. Now for the culture of the city of tadmor is evidently of syriac culture, there have been found one relic of an so called arabic god Allath, wich is currently disputed. So we have a majority of Syriacs in that area, a aramaic/Syriac culture, Aramaic language. now, please tell me what is it that makes zenobia an arab?

Suryoyo 01:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC) //Michael

Compromise
Hello again Yuber. Please try to seek out a compromise when you edit, especially when your edit entails deletion of content. Sometimes it is more prudent to simply add your stuff - when in doubt, leave it in. This goes both specifically for your repeated, though minor, deletions on Arabs, but also more generally elsewhere. //Big Adamsky 01:47, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree that the see also links are too diverse. They were put there for the reader to view these related articles at his or own own leisure. The relation to the main topic is what determines how suitable the links are, not the category of already existing links. Once again: do not assume the role of a "censorship patroller" just for the fun of it; several styles and preferences can coexist, not just yours. //Big Adamsky 01:54, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello and thanks, Yuber!
Hi Yuber! I'd just like to thank you for supporting my RfA. Your support genuinely meant a lot to me. Now that I'm an admin, if there is ever anything I can help you with, please let me know. Likewise, if you ever see me using admin privileges in a way you think is inappropriate, also please let me know. FWIW, I do not intend to use admin privileges on Islam-related articles. Thanks again, Babajobu 15:56, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Islamist terrorism
I have an idea that we might reduce the tension on Islamist terrorism if we stopped talking about POV or NPOV in the edit summaries. Calling another's work POV, or your own NPOV, even if you know it's true, may just antagonize people. And really, it's not very informative as a summary of the edit; we all want neutrality of viewpoint, we just disagree on what that is. I'd be interested to know if you think this might be a useful (if very small) step to take. Best regards, Tom Harrison Talk 15:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Islamist terrorism and Islam in the United States
Hey joturner. It would be appreciated if you could take a look at these two articles where some highly anti-Islam POV is being pushed. Yuber(talk) 22:58, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't see any anti-Islam point of view in the Islam in the United States article. In the Islamist terrorism article, however, we are walking a fine time. The article is about a topic that by definition is going to have to say some disparaging things about Islam. It will have to talk about interpretations of the Qur'an that promote violence and opinions of these terrorist groups. But at the same time, the article has also mentioned interpretations of the Qur'an that denounce violence as well as Muslim leaders who are against terrorism. In my opinion, it is as neutral as possible. joturner 23:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Oriana Fallaci
None of those quotes are sourced. If you want to have them in there, please point at least to which of her works contain the quote in question or to a website mentioning the precise place. http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/113 for example doesn't do that either. Thanks! Cyberevil 01:42, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey there
You may already have checked this out, but if you haven't, I'd appreciate your taking a look at the bottom of the talk page at Islamofascism (term). Motion is to merge and redirect to Neofascism and religion. BYT 12:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

why I care of Souther Syria?
Hi

No I dont really understand your question. Im a Syriac from Bethnahrin, but does it mean that I can work with other articles? I dont think that we in wikipedia make any racial distinctions for admins/users/others ... we all work togeather to make wikipedia a objective and correct encyclopedia. I hope that that is your objective also.

Now again about the gassaids, I am interested in Arab/Turkish/kurdish/persian(iranian) history also. Actually my interest for history is for all the people of middleeast. But I have choosen to work mostly of the time with the Syriac article, due to the fact that it is still very poor and needs cleanup.

Shlome // Michael 09:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

About some changes you made
Hello. I would like to revert your recent change on islamism. See discussion page on islamism article. -- ActiveSelective 11:41, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Damadola airstrike
Please take a look at this page if you have a chance. It is under sporadic vandalistic attack (removal of sourced content) from User:Mistress Selina Kyle and User:BlueTruth who seem to have a POV agenda, if not a closer relationship. Thanks. --68.223.81.133 19:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Proposed move of Qana
Hi Yuber. I have proposed moving Qana to Shelling of Qana. I am notifying people who were engaged in the earlier talk page discussion. Palmiro | Talk 21:32, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Restriction from article
For revert warring on Islamic extremist terrorism you have been banned from the article. I will lift the ban in one week barring objection on WP:ANI, and so long as I see good behavior.--Tznkai 03:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright. Just following the rules for the sake of everyone involved. I'll lift it in a week.--Tznkai 03:54, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Misunderstandings
I suppose your recent remarks to Queeran, including the phrase "anti-Arab racist" were meant to illustrate that what we write is not always taken as we intend. I'm sure you did not intend to suggest that he was a racist. It might be helpful if you made that clear, to avoid any misunderstanding. Tom Harrison Talk 03:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to step away for the evening as well. It's an emotional issue for everyone. I understand your point that we must be careful not to over-simplify the election. Peace to you and all of us, whatever it means.:) Tom Harrison Talk 04:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Inhabitants.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Inhabitants.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use GFDL to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the image qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as or one of the other tags listed at Image copyright tags. See Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --OrphanBot 10:50, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I would also like to call your attention to Image:Maaloula.jpg which need similar source clarification and copyright status. As for the source, you simply need to say "Source: Yuber" and either release it into the Public Domain or chose any of the other suitable tags you wish to release it under. The article on Ma`loula would loose a great deal if these photographs were deleted. --AladdinSE 12:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Iraq's "Arab" christians"
Yuber, I changed back once again. 1. As a Assyrian of Iraq, I know that their is not such thing as a ethnic arab christians in Iraq. 2. During Saddam's rule, when census were done, Saddam forced everyone to choose either Kurd or Arab. 3. Please prove your side of the story. Now if you want to state that their are Christians in Iraq, then that is a totaly different thing. You can say something in the lines of "3% of Iraq's population is Christian, but are not ethnically arab, rather Assyrian." Chaldean 17:28, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Dhimmi
More nonsense going on here, I'm afraid, by a particularly unpleasant user. Palmiro | Talk 13:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Good show, buddy
shake their mind.

Takima 12:52, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk page
May I request that you add your contentions with pages onto the talk page, instead of constantly reverting every day or so. I'm specifically referring to Dhimmi Watch and Jihad Watch. Pepsidrinka 00:17, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Depressing
And there are signs up on some shops saying نعتذر عن استقبال الزبائن الدنمركية. Clearly the hatemongers have notched up a massive success. And of course it gives a completely warped picture of Syria. I wonder how many people in Europe watching the TV pictures noticed the Greek Catholic church beside the embassy, or are aware that at 6 o'clock every day you can hear the church bells ringing out across Damascus, whereas in quite a few European countries once Muslims overcome all the bureaucratic obstacles which often through some odd series of coincidences plague mosque-building projects, they're not allowed broadcast the call to prayer. Hmmm. A very disgruntled Palmiro | Talk 09:29, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

non-Arab Middle East Christians
I think you should have a look at the doings of some anti-Arab Christian activists who designed a totally inaccurate and propagandist Syriacs box, mentioning Maronites and Melkites as "Syriacs", thus non-Arabs, which I proposed for deletion here. There are non-Arab Christians there, be they Armenians or Assyrians, but these fanatics include Arabized Christians in their anti-Arab dreams. Pylambert 23:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Need your help
I'm new here, so I need some help with editing and what not. I want to upload a picture from one web site but I don't know if this would violate any copyright laws, and I also don't know how to upload yet! And I ask you because I think you and I are on the same page concerning anti-Arabism, which is the article I plan to upload the image to. So please respond to me ASAP if you can help. Shukran!--Inahet 20:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

New Categories
I would like you to join following two categories of Muslims that have been censored by Zionista and Hindutva editors from posting your contributions.


 * Category:Wikipedians censored by Zionist editors
 * Category:Wikipedians censored by Hindutva editors

Siddiqui 03:09, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikiethics
Hi,

We started a proposal Wikiethics to state the existing policies coherently and make suggestions on improving the editorial standards in Wiki. I thought you might be interested in contributing to that proposal.

Unfortunately, a pro-porn and pro-offense lobby is trying to make this proposal a failure. They unilaterally started an approval poll although almost no one including me believe that it is time for a vote, simply because the policy is not ready. It is not even written completely.

Editors who thinks that the policy needs to be improved rather than killed by an unfair poll at the beginning of the proposal, started another poll ('Do we really need a poll at this stage?') at the same time. The poll is vandalized for a while but it is stable now. A NO vote on this ('Do we really need a poll now?') poll will strengthen the position of the editors who are willing to improve the ethics policy further.

If you have concerns about the ethics and editorial standards in Wiki, please visit the page Wikiethics with your suggestions on the policy. We have two subpages: Arguments and Sections. You might want to consider reviewing these pages as well...

Thanks in advance. Resid Gulerdem 22:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Governorates of Syria
In ase you were wondering, I replaced some of your maps of governorates of Syria with ones I made to match the typical colors of Wikipedia maps. I also made maps for each governorate. What do you think of them? I used GFDL as the license, as the images were based heavily on your governorate map on the Syria main page and that appeared to be licensed under the GFDL. Is this OK? LDan 00:45, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Request for help
Hi Yuber, I was wondering if you might have any input on oldest cities? This page was horrible before, and I'm trying to make it barely encyclopaedic - it has already been declined for AfD but I thought with your knowledge of the region, you might be able to better the article. --Si42 00:48, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

"Arab Christians"
Yes, 1.8 million are Christians in Syria, but not all are arab. An estimate 800,000 are either Syriac (Syriac Orthodox Church) who's church has come out and denounced any connection to arab ethnicity and of course the Assyrians that occupy some 35 villages in the Khabour river.


 * From Syria
 * Christians, a sizable number of which are also found among Syrian Palestinians, are divided into several groups. Greek Orthodox make up about half of the Christian population; the Greek Catholic Church, Syriac and Assyrian Christians, as well as Armenian Orthodox (centered in Aleppo), Syrian Orthodox and several smaller groups account for the remainder. - Half, so actually 900,000 - 100,000 for Greek Catholic Church = 800,000 Armenians, Assyrians, Syriacs Chaldean 22:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? I sourced Wikipedia. Chaldean 22:49, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Linguistically, Syria is more homogeneous, with 82.5 percent speaking Arabic, 8.5 percent Kurdish, 4 percent Armenian

''In the 1980s, Sunni Muslims constitute about 68.9 percent of the population, Christians 14.1 percent, 'Alawis 11.5 percent, Druze 3 percent, and Isma'ilis 1.5 percent. The largest of the Christian groups, the Greek Orthodox, makes up 4.7 percent of the total population.''  So even when Christians made 14.1%, Greek Orthodox members were only 4.7 of the 14.1....leaving 4% with Armenian, and of course the rest for Syriac Orthodox, Chaldean, and Assyrian Churches

''The largest churches are the Greek Orthodox and Greek Catholic churches. There are also Syrian Orthodox, Syrian Catholic, Armenian Orthodox, Armenian Catholic, Assyrian and Chaldean (see Iran and Iraq) Christians. ''



The point is you are trying to claim every Christian in Syria is an arab, which is not true.

''Greek Orthodox Church (503,000 members), The Greek Catholic church (118,000 adherents), rmenian Orthodox (112,000), and Armenian Catholics (25,000), the Syrian Orthodox (89,000) and Syrian Catholics (22,000), Assyrian Christians (17,000) and Chaldean Catholics (7,000)''  If we take this portion to 1.8 million Christians, then we get Greek Churches making up 70% of Christian population, the rest 30% are Armenian, Syriac, or Assyrian. 70% of 1.8 million is 1,250,000

In the end, the point is not every Christian is an arab in Syria. Specially now that some 40,000 Assyrians have migrated to Syria from Iraq (incuding my Aunt with her 6 children) within the last two years, as stated by the UN, has made the Christian population in Syria less ethnically Arab. Chaldean 23:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, your source is false, as they count every Christian as an arab (look at Iraq in that page). So "your source" is now tossed out. Chaldean 23:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I already told you, your source is false..I gave you factual ones. Chaldean 23:26, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Those who are part of the Greek churches do not consider themselves Greek, now do they? No, I know they consider themselves as arab, but are all Christian in Syria belong to Greek churches? No of course not. Chaldean 23:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The second source you gave me is an arab extremist source, do you know what neutral source means? Chaldean 23:29, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Which edits are you talking about? Chaldean 23:29, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You got it, but you gotta make the point that not all of them are arab. Chaldean 23:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Now that we have settled our differences, tell me abit about yourself. Are you a Christian from Syria? If so, from where? I had to stay as a refugee in Aleppo for quite some time in the 90s after leaving Iraq. Chaldean 23:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Anti-Arabism
Assalamu alaikum,

I had decided to not upload the image on the anti-Arabism article, and I'm not having any other problems right now, but I will consult you whenever I do, if you don't mind :). Well, I'm glad you're here, there are few people here who are working on Arab-related articles, so your efforts are much needed. --Inahet 04:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Syria
Assyrian population of Syria is estimated at 500,000 and that is referrenced directly from a Syrian Newspaper. http://english.daralhayat.com/arab_news/01-1800/20041201-APAP_1125987.txt/story.html

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Long talk page
Greetings! Your talk page is getting a bit long in the tooth - please consider archiving your talk page (or ask me and I'll archive it for you). Cheers! BD2412 T 00:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Qamishli page in Arabic
Hi Yuber,

In the Arabic version of the Syrian city of Qamishli,القامشلي, there is a hard debate caused by on the Arabic language editors of Wiki. A previous version of the city info included biased informartion toward one ethnical group trying to cancel all other groups in that area. I did some modifications by taking away all of agitating information and mixing ethnical groups there in one description like in the English page of this city, Qamishli away from focusing on one event or one ethnical group or one point of view.

Also, I included a tamplate for Syrian cities in Arabic, yet one of the editors was all the time deleting the page and fethcing back the older controversial version, deleting the template of Syrian cities as well!! Evenmore, he/she deleted everything was in the Discussion page and kept his own!! This member called Classic 971

I want to know how come we can manage this page if an "editor" of Wiki is doing like this? and I want seriously to report this action.

I think he is focusing on this city as he want to make it like the Kurdish Wiki page of Qamişlo which is mentioning it as a city of "Kurdistan"!!!

Please do something... I contacted all Arabic editors of Wikipedia to do somehting yet nothing happend. --Ralhazzaa 06:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Majdalshams.jpg
Why is Image:Majdalshams.jpg PD? Did you take it, if so please use PD-self. Computerjoe 's talk 14:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Israel and the UN
Being subject to some considerable buffing and POV pushing - can you have a look please?

86.27.55.184 13:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Gaza
I have been trying to have the gaza strip added to the List of concentration and internment camps article. would you please have a look at the content on User:Carbonate/Sandbox and make suggestions as to how it can be improved for inclusion in the article. Carbonate 07:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Al-Hamidiyah Souk
can you expand this article I've created as you know more information on Syrian stubs than me Abdullah Geelah 17:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Info on Islamophobic group
Hello,

What follows are the thoughts, expressed in their own words, and in the 'protest signs', of the obscure, very small, but very vocal 'activist group' known as "Protest Warrior".

"What's becoming clear is how the religion of Islam is addicted to war and mayhem. Not a radical minority, not a rogue sect, but its very essence is about submission and sacrifice and proving your worth by worshipping death in this life to gain a paradise of orgies and drunkenness. Their entire history is of warfare, and any accomplishments of their so-called Golden Age has been proven to be merely parasitic off the cultures they've conquered and reduced to dhimmi servitude. That every country under sharia is corrupt, belligerent, desolate and barbaric obviously gives them no pause, except to constantly drive them into further psychotic rage as they refuse to ever accept any responsibility for their conditions. They are akin to the powers in Orwell's 1984; there must always be an enemy. It's no surprise that women are treated like property in these countries as that's the only way Muslim men can feed their egos, to dominate others rather than ever actually produce something."

Kfir Alfia and Alan Lipton, founders of "Protest Warrior"

Their 'protest signs'...

Signs

I thought you might be interested in this group's sentiments. They are currently very actively editing their own article on Wiki and there is a lot of 'group think'. Perhaps you might want to become involved in the editing and discussion process on that page. If you do, please don't vandalize, and try to remain civil. Should you not want to involve youself, please forgive my intrusion.

Protest Warrior

Protest Warrior Discussion

NBGPWS 09:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Hi. I'm glad you started the articles on Safita and Hauran. My grandmother's from Safita and I have a family branch in Hauran. Where are you from? Jaber90 03:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Syriacs
Ok, I see what you're saying. I changed my mind because of this, but I really don't care either way. A dab note at the top is fine. BTW, are you from Syria?

Also, it's time to archive your talk page. &mdash; Khoikhoi 03:22, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Syrian refers to Syriac-Christians not Arabs.
Syrian Arabs usually just refer to themselves as Arabs hence even in the Syriac language we refer to ourselves as Sourayeh.סרגון יוחנא 14:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * If you're so concerned about Syria and Syrians you should know for a fact that most of the people referred to themselves as Syrians up until recently when the leader of the SYRIAN Orthodox Church changed the name of the Church to Syriac Orthodox Church so as to distinguish itself and the people from having anything to do with the ARAB Republic of Syria. As far as nationalism goes, what are you doing by reverting it to Syria? Doesn't the dab page have a link to the Syria page describing the two definitions?סרגון יוחנא 14:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Safita
What is your grandmother's family name? Jaber90 16:37, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

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Request
Hey Yuber, can you please add the names for the following towns in the Arabic script: Samandağ (Suwaidiyyah), Altınözü (Qusair) and Reyhanlı (Rihaniyyah). Thanks. BTW, PLEASE archive your talk page!! &mdash; Khoikhoi 01:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyrights
I don't know if you noticed the copyright status of the image Image:Latakia.jpg, I hope you fix that soon. And you may want to check the status of other images you uploaded. Best Regards, Orionist 02:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)