User:Zippy roo/Hf

Admission of borderline personality disorder and absolute rejection of any trans person who is not HSTS: 

Statement of the dispute
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Cause of concern
Now about "Alice Markahm"s conduct. [AliceJMarkham asked if by refering to AJ I was talking about her? I did not read beyond the title of the section which was my mistake and responded of course I'm talking about you AJ.] AJ being the real life initials of another editor User:Jokestress who says on her user page she is Andrea James, a minor Celebrity overall and a major TS celebrity.AliceJMarkahm's belligerence began with this edit which was based on my confusion I suppose. I then replied to the effect that in this context using the initials AJ to Andrea James is reasonable and that basically anyone else thinking this was about them would be like a guy named Jerome Frank Kaplan thinking that someone refering to JFK is talking about him. Another user chimed in to drive the point home. Based solely on my assertion that the initials AJ would obviously refer to Andrea James and not her, she was already thinking about claiming I was being incivil, and was talking about how getting me topic banned would give her the upper hand in a content dispute. On another talk page this same conversation came up and was discussed. (It may be the talk page of a now-deleted article) AliceJMarkham still hurting that she not who jumps to mind on those talk pages when the initials AJ come up. That was when I had to point out the way Alice described herself.

At the time this is how AliceJMarkham described herself. I am a Transgendered person. More specifically, a male who cross-dresses as a female.

As is the case for most cross-dressers, I am a heterosexual male and cross-dressing has nothing what-so-ever to do with sexual behavior.

In real life, I'm two completely separate and distinct people. A man with a relatively normal life (if there is such a thing!) and a woman who has a fairly distinct personality and a quite separate life.



At the time she described herself as a heterosexual male who crossdresses. To this, and her complaints about the use of the initials AJ I wrote something to the effect that... Her female identity was a fantasy, role play. where as AJ User:Jokestress's name is a real life name she uses all the time. She lives as a woman all the time and has made movies and TV shows.... I went on to say something about the important difference between a transsxual woman who faces every day and every nite as a woman. That transsexual women like AJ and myself are women even as we sleep. I don't remember calling her a "man", I swear that I never did. She seems to interpret my pointing out the crucial difference between a part time recreational male crossdresser and a full time transsexual woman, as denying the reality of her gender identity.

When really the denial is on the other foot. By trying to use the threat of a civility complain was being plainly uncivill. She also said about her self just two days ago ". She still identifies herself as a male who dresses occasionally.  She crosdresses's for fun and relaxation.  She has tried to cast my maintaining that there is a real psychological and behavioral difference between someone like her and someone like User:Jokestress and myself, as being an insult to her.  When really her saying that there is no differnce is an insult to me, and every other transsexual woman.  This is the uncivil behavior that has brought us here.

''Transsexuals like me, and Jokestress, we know we weren't born with a womans body, we know we don't menstruate and will never be pregnant. However we live every day after transition as a woman, we face the challenges of a woman. We face not only discrimination when our TS status is known, but the usual male chauvanism when it isn't. We do this 24*7 even as we sleep because it is who we are...not just a recreational activitiy as it is in the case of AliceJMarkham.''

I know I know TLDR. But this is a complicated case. It's not like someone cursuing at someone or making a simple insult. This is about AliceJMarkham trying to manipulate the system we have here to gain the upper hand in a content dispute. As well as her indulging in a sort of virtual crossdressing.--Hfarmer (talk) 06:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Applicable policies and guidelines
List the policies and guidelines that apply to the disputed conduct.


 * Civility
 * No personal attacks
 * WP:Gaming the system

Desired outcome
''This is a summary written by users who have initiated the request for comment. It should spell out exactly what the changes they'd like to see in the user, or what questions of behavior should be the focus.''

If I am in the wrong according to you all then I will apologise. But I don't think I am. What I would like out of this is an apology from AliceJMarkham for her trying to colonize the transsexual identity while not having to suffer any of the consequnces of actaully being transsexual.--Hfarmer (talk) 06:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Users certifying the basis for this dispute
What has been done so far to try and resolve this matter. This issue has been discussed on User talk:AliceJMarkham a number of times. Other users have tried to explain and mediate to different degree's.User WhatamIdoing has tried this is the diff. You also see in this diff that Alice Markham was thinking two months ago about trying to claim that I was being uncivil base on a toatlly different reason than she latter would. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexual_transsexual&oldid=254693910 The other reason she was complaining on her talk page started in this diff (bottom of page). This dispute sort of evolved into the one we are dealing with now.] I have taken to refering to an editor here by the initials of the well known name, Their first and las name are on their talk page. This never seemd to confuse anyone until I saw the edit that was refered to in those last two diff's]

Another just tried to show her wikilove, and that she was not alone I guess.. as user Banjeboi does here. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AliceJMarkham&diff=next&oldid=259587420 And continues to do here claiming that I also insulted him which I did not. He misunderstood my defense of him when he was topic banned in another area... thinking I called him specious. When what I was talking about was the reasoning for his being banned. Also in this diff I say something conciliatory to Alice Markham.]

That is what has been done to settle this before I filed for this RfC.

Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute.


 * Hfarmer (talk) 06:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)