User talk:(aeropagitica)/Archive 11

AfD you closed
Can you please move the old contents of List of abandoned buildings in the United States to User talk:Revragnarok/List of abandoned buildings in the United States so I can categorize as discussed? Thanx. &mdash; RevRagnarok  Talk Contrib 11:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Done! Your request was quite oblique, hence my overlooking it when closing the AfD.  (aeropagitica)   (talk)   15:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. Will take care of tonite... &mdash; RevRagnarok  Talk Contrib 15:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Pheonix V.
You're welcome. I also blocked Prof. for a week because of the sockpuppetry. But I may have some evidence that Prof. is a sockpuppet of, who a checkuser has proven to use sockpuppets. --LBMixPro &lt;Spe ako n

GIen's RfA: Thank you!
'''PS: YES YOU'RE RIGHT HARRY POTTER USES A BROOM! (BUT GOOD MOPS ARE HARD TO FIND!!)'''

Thanks for your support - and advice too (my new welcome template is good to go as well thanks to you :) You rock! - GI e n 05:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Codylawyer
Hey. Some days ago you blocked User:Codylawyer for vandalism. He is now back...and it seems that he still doesnt contribute with anything but removing content, and occasionally inserting a false protected tag. Maybe you would have a look at it. Bertilvidet 16:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Codylawyer has now been warned.  (aeropagitica)   (talk)   16:14, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Closing a recent AfD
When you closed Articles for deletion/Omaha, NE (Comic), you missed Mooble, or: the Rise and Fall of Modern Logic (Comic). I have already merged that article into The Stony Brook Press. Tinlinkin 08:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * When you closed Articles for deletion/Shamin Mohamed Jr., you missed Children's AIDS Health Program, whose AfD points to it as well. (Hey, these multiples are a PITA, ain't they? :-) --Dennette 08:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The votes could have been highlighted or even placed in to the title of the AfD discussion. They can be missed sometimes in the mass of comments that you have to read through and assess! Regards,  (aeropagitica)    (talk)   12:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

According to WP:AFD, it says to nominate the first article for deletion, and then, in step 3, to add a note under the original nomination. And in the edit summary for my AfD, I identified that there was another article for deletion, related to the article under the heading above. With only one article can be added and shown on the heading of the AfD. Tinlinkin 12:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * FYI, closing Articles for deletion/Shamin Mohamed Jr. has left an orphan image, Image:Shamin Mohamed Jr.jpg ... it is only linked to User talk:Smjr2000 (with a copyright warning), and it contains the text used in the original creation of the deleted page, as well as a link to the Web site of the deleted Children's AIDS Health Program. --Dennette 13:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I have tagged it, as per Category:Images with unknown copyright status.  (aeropagitica)    (talk)   13:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of computer and video games that use Bink video
Would you like the contents of the above article moved to a user sub-page in order for the categorisation project to go ahead?  (aeropagitica)   (talk)   07:30, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi aeropagitica,


 * Thank you for asking me. Yes, that would be great if you could move the page to my userspace so I can create a category.  Thanks. Green451 16:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

You can find the page at User:Green451/List of computer and video games that use Bink video. Regards,  (aeropagitica)   (talk)   17:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Electrum (band)
Thank you for deleting the Electrum (band) article. I split it from the main Electrum article, because it didn't belong there. Chip Unicorn 12:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

thanks
Ta for deleting my subpages – I think it's gonna be a long, hard road to understanding javascript for me :) Cheers! &mdash; riana_dzasta &bull; t &bull; c &bull; e  &bull; ER &bull; 13:21, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you, I'm sure there is a user req. delete tag but i couldnt remember it, hehe :P. thanks/User:MatthewFenton (talk • contribs) 13:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Snakes on a Plane/temp
Moving a page creates a redirect from the original location to the destination. Redirects should not point from article space to user space. I have deleted the redirect page. Regards, <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;"> (talk)   14:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I know and I was just about to. I was going to give the brand new user a couple minutes to adjust to the redirect first - otherwise, s/he would think it was simply deleted and not moved.  —Wknight94 (talk) 14:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Manchester City F.C.
Hi have a look at Steve Redmond now. This is how to categorize. good luck James Janderson 10:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey mate PLEASE remember to categorize see Steve Redmond otherwise your articles are not linked. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Please also use for your football biographies in order for other editors to find them and fill them out. Regards, <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;">  (talk)   11:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah just thought id say that im sorry if i miss out certain things which people deem to be important. I just want to try and help by imparting my knowledge on certain subjects. I'll try and take your advice on board.-gingerdave


 * Ive edited more articles relating to the subject mentioned above but did not have the time to put in what you suggested- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingerdave (talk • contribs)


 * Hmm, if you're going to leave messages along these lines, I would suggest that you either:
 * a) slow down the editing in order to make sure that you include stubs such as   and related categories, or


 * b) give me or an interested editor the titles of the articles that you have edited in order for me to follow-up, otherwise this message is a non-sequitur. Giving people as much information as they need in order to perform a task cuts down on the time that it takes for the task to be performed, yes?


 * I would recommend that you adopt strategy a) rather than b), as the latter relies upon input from others which you cannot be sure will be forthcoming. You can probably find editors who are interested in Football at WikiProject Football. Regards, <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;">  (talk)   22:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I apologise if you thought that i was being lazy but i am a busy man. I was asked if i could help provide certain information and i have done this.  There is no need to take such a pompous and patronising tone with me as you did in the message i received on my user page. As far as i was concerned the task was completed when i provided the information- it was not incomplete merely because i had not added certain presentational devices which i question the use of. As is my motto substance matters more than form. The fact that i highlighted the fact that io had not done what you had suggested indicates that i was conscientious in highlighting to you that i had not done so that you could dop so or so that you could ask someone else to do so. Im sorry if i sound stern but i will not be spoken to like a child just because i did not follow petty rules when the bottom line of the matter is that i was trying to help out by providing information which i had readily available and other people may not have had. Take care, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingerdave (talk • contribs)


 * At no point did I say or hint that you were a lazy editor in my correspondence. Rather, I said that you should slow down and insert the appropriate categories and stubs in to the articles that you create in order for other editors to find and fill them out.  To leave this part of the article creation process out means that some of the articles that you create risk being lost as nothing will link to them.  Nobody wants orphan articles or to see your work go to waste.


 * "As far as i was concerned the task was completed when i provided the information- it was not incomplete merely because i had not added certain presentational devices which i question the use of."


 * If all you intend to provide is a stub then please mark your articles as such in order for other users to complete them. Many people create stubs rather than complete articles - if any article in Wikipedia can be said to be complete - due to time pressure or lack of reference materials.  This is a perfectly legitimate way to contribute to the body of knowledge on this encyclopedia.  If you question the use of stubs and categories as "presentational devices" then please read Stub and Categorization for details.  These are not "petty rules" they are central to the system of information organisation and retrieval of Wikipedia and many other reference materials such as encyclopædiæ and dictionaries, even things like the Yellow Pages.  My correspondence with other editors is at no point intended to be patronising, neither is yours interpreted as stern on my part. Regards, <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;">  (talk)   15:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Block of User:207.195.254.141
I notice you just blocked this user for WP:3RR, they weren't the only person involved in the war and I guess at least one other has exceeded the limit. I've protected the article to stop the war and to try and get discussion going, so the block at this stage might be unwarranted. --pgk( talk ) 20:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

The five difs that I used to justify the block are:
 * blanking section dif 1


 * blanking section dif 2


 * blanking section dif 3


 * blanking section dif 4


 * blanking section dif 5

If others are involved in this revert war then they should also receive the appropriate discipline. <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;"> (talk)   20:17, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No need to link the diffs, I'm sure that WP:3RR was exceeded and then some. My point is that blocking is supposted to be preventative and in this case the war was stopped by protection. If the editor then engages in constructive dialogue the bad feeling which can arise from a block can be avoided. However like any admin it's down to your own judgement in the end as to if you think that the block is still required as a deterrant to future warring. I'm certainly not intending to unblock or make any further comments than the above. --pgk( talk ) 20:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, fair comment. I've also put it up for review at the 3RR noticeboard for comment. <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;"> (talk)   20:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

your closure of AfD
Hi. I see you closed the AfD for San Francisco Bay Psychotherapy Center. Thanks but I want to remind you that the debate also concerned the related Sequoia Psychotherapy Center. Thanks. Pascal.Tesson 16:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, now deleted too! <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;"> (talk)   16:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Teke's RfA thanks
Thank you for your support of my RfA, which has passed with a final tally of 76/1/1. With this overwhelming show of support and approval I am honored to serve Wikipedia in the task charged to me and as outlined in my nomination. Happy editing to you! Teke ( talk ) 17:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Musicians
A collaboration is currently underway to establish guidelines for musician and band pages. You input is welcome here.--Esprit15d 20:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

The Pegasaurus
Thanks for that. I knew there was a quick way of zapping it, but it's clearly too early in the morning here. BigHaz 00:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's far too early here in the UK, too! Unless you're here as well, that is. Night! <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;"> (talk)   00:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Question about lyrics on Wikipedia
Hello. I have started to create a series of pages on Wikipedia, and I am now unsure whether I am allowed to make certain ones...

I created this page, which was changed to this with an explanation of copyvio.

It seems that all pages I made recently with lyrics on them were made smaller, usually censoring any lyrics.

If this is because I am violating copyright, do pages such as La donna è mobile have lyrics removed? Thank you, because I believe the pages look much nicer and have much more information if they include even sections from lyrics to a song.

--Alegoo92 03:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * DJ Clayworth has already explained this to you on your Talk page. Did you follow the links that he provided? They will lead you to the Copyright FAQ, which describes the Berne Convention. This international agreement protects the rights of authors for at least 50 years after the author's death.  This means that lyrics written by Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd-Webber are protected by copyright whilst lyrics written by Verdi are no longer.  Of course, a translation of Verdi's lyrics from Italian in to English or another language is a seperate creative work and as such is then protected by copyright.  This means that you will have to get authenticated permission from Rice, Lloyd-Webber and the translator of La donna è mobile in order to reproduce their lyrics.  Copyright is a means of ensuring that artists are paid for their creative efforts after the initial round of creativity.  That is why we require their express permission for reproduction of their creative efforts on this site.  If this is not given then it means that interested researchers will either have to go an purchase a copy of the lyrics/sheet music or go to a library that has already done do, as the music publishers will ensure that royalties from the purchase will filter back the the artists.  Brief excepts are allowed for illustrative purposes, as long as the proper accreditation is given.  This usually means a verse or a chorus, not an entire lyric.  I am not a copyright specialist but please follow the basic guideline - when in doubt, don't, ok? <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;">  (talk)   07:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Rod D. Martin
Thank you for helping resolve this matter. While you are at it, could you please also remove the notices regarding notability and importance. I do not want to do this myself (it would just spark another edit war, and I don't think I have authority to do so anyway), but since the whole point of the AfD vote was whether the subject was notable/important, the consensus has pretty clearly resolved that and both tags should go away. (Any thoughts on how to resolve the other two tags at the top would be appreciated also, and the consensus was against them too, but I am not qualified to say whether those tags should disappear or not.) Thanks. DelosHarriman 16:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The tags have now been removed. <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;"> (talk)   19:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Battle of wikipedia deletion comments
hehe. sorry about making that. I was having a bad day and needed to make something stupid that wasnt intended to be humerous. FYI I've been editing for like 3 months. Felixboy 20:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If you get the urge to vandalise again, either stifle it, leave the keyboard and go and do something useful or if you absolutely must then go to Uncyclopedia, a community who don't seem to mind vandalism. The length of time that you have participated in Wikipedia doesn't excuse your actions. <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;">  (talk)   20:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Flipseduction
Hi there; I failed to notice, in speedy-tagging it, that had been deleted once already. Thank you. Why would anyone bother to keep posting something like this?--Anthony.bradbury 20:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Who knows? It's difficult enough writing about notable subjects in an encyclopedic fashion according to the Manual of Style]], let alone speculating on the motivations of vandals of every hue. A lot of these recreated articles aren't obvious unless you can see the edit & deletion histories. You can search against the title on Google Advanced search, that usually brings up the discussion page as evidence.  Regards, <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;">  (talk)   20:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Kimono-hiyoku layering
Thank you for deleting that page. I thought that deleting all the contents of a page would do the same as deleting it... my misunderstanding. Grgcox 21:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No, only admins and bureaucrats can delete pages. You can tag a page that you have created as db-author in order to delete it if you want to. <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;">  (talk)   21:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you again for the information. I imagine I should be careful about what I create. Grgcox 22:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Oro-Con
Hi, the user re-made Oro-Con and I tagged it for speedy deletion since he remade an article that was previously deleted.

He says he got permission from the company's website, but I said that the company is non-notable so it doesn't warrant an article on Wikipedia.

I just wanted to let you know, and to see if I did the right thing.

EDIT: I removed the speedy deletion tag after reading the user talk page and the article's talk page. It's not a notable company. EDIT2: Article just got deleted.

-- Nish kid 64 22:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Comments left on the author's Talk page. <font style="color:#fff;background:#808;"> (aeropagitica)  <font style="color:#808;background:#fff;"> (talk)   22:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)