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Nomination of Weixinism for deletion
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Proposed deletion of Weixinism


The article Weixinism has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * I find no significant independent coverage of this topic. 61 Google hits in English, 91 in Chinese, generally blogs and Facebook and primary sources.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Weixinism


A tag has been placed on Weixinism, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate,. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

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Faism priestly roles
Hi Aethelwolf! I appreciate your contributions relating to the traditional religions of China. I wanted to ask you to clarify, however, what a statement in the Faism article meant: it says that Faist priests' roles in Chinese society included being married. This sounded odd, and at first I assumed that it meant marrying other couples, but I thought I should check to be sure. All the best, Q·L·1968 ☿ 15:33, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello! Thank you for the appreciation! Regarding married priests... yes, in some religions (actually many, or maybe most religions) priests can wed and also have another occupation. Only Catholic priests, and generally the monks (of any religion) must live a celibate and ascetic life. In Chinese religions this is the case of the Quanzhen monks, while ritual masters and shamans of the various local cults can marry.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 15:47, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * What I meant with that phrase is that the role of this type of priests in society is that of a part-time religious minister, not consecrating their life to asceticism, that in turn is the role of monks.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 15:51, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * My religious framework is so different from Catholicism that I completely misunderstood the point of comparison there at first! Thanks for clarifying. I wonder if that would be worth rephrasing in the article itself. Q·L·1968 ☿ 03:00, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * of the Hanja 神), is the indigenous religion of Korea and the Korean people.
 * ceremony known as a naerim-gut, during which she undergoes a state known as a shinbyeong 神病.  The kangshinmu-initiate is said to be possessed by a spirit during the

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maybe you can help out
Hi. I see you are the one who have recently contributed to Mo (religion) article, a Zhuang's religion. But Moism is not only practiced by the Zhuang but all Tai peoples who are not influenced by Buddhism and Hinduism. I've just made some edits on the Nùng people article. They are one of Tai ethnics who practice Moism and Animism. But I find the article has no section for religion and I myself have not much knowledge about this aspect, therefore I think you could help out with it (if you know any). Regards. Psychoneuroimmunology (talk) 15:18, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello! I have found just one academic publication specifically about Nung folk religion (Nguyễn Thị Yên. Tày-Nùng Folk Beliefs. H.: Social Sciences Publishing House, 2009, 719 pages, Vb 47561), but unfortunately it can't be found online. I have also found a publication that exhaustively describes the Then religion of the Tay. The aithor is the same Nguyễn Thị Yên who has studied the Nung religion. I don't know if the Nung practice the same religion, but they are mentioned in the introduction of the paper. --Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 16:15, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I also just found this one from your recommendation one. But they are still inadequate to become references. I'm gonna look for help from other members contributing to eastern religion articles. the more contributors, the better it becomes. Psychoneuroimmunology (talk) 20:13, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

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Shi Yong
Hi, I think you made a mistake in associating Shi Yong with the Stone Generals in the Kantai Tianhou Temple in Taiwan. The two Stone Generals are folk deities worshipped by the locals and have nothing to do with Shi Yong. Shi Yong does not really play an important role in the novel Water Margin even though he is one of the 108 Stars of Destiny. "Stone General" is simply his nickname in the ranking of the 108 Stars. LDS contact me 14:44, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, my association of the "Stone General" deities to Shi Yong was definitely a mistake. Thank you for having fixed it!--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 13:34, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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Ethnic religions in China
Hi,

thank you for your articles on ethnic religions in China.

I would like to ask you to write articles on the religions respectively common among the following ethnic groups:
 * Bai people
 * Bouyei people
 * Dong people
 * Hani people
 * Li people
 * Miao people
 * Yao people

Kind regards,

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You're welcome, Sarcelles! I'll try (if I will find good sources) to write articles about the religions of those peoples over the next months!--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 17:54, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Merge Yuan Fen into Yuanfen
Hi AE --

I came across your article Yuan fen when I was looking for sources for the presently unsourced Yuanfen. Since "Spacing in pinyin is based on whole words, not single syllables" Pinyin, the title should be "Yuanfen," and I left a note on "Yuan Fen"'s Talk Page that I would merge it. I'd be happy to do so, but since you were the one who did the work on the page, maybe you should be the one to merge it and get the credit. What do you think? Cheers ch (talk) 03:14, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello CWH! Thank you for consulting me about the merger. I have done a quick merger of the two pages.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 17:35, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Shenism Portal
Hi AE -- I've started a discussion at the Talk Page for the Shenism Portal. I'm afraid that I don't understand what happened. It seems that the "Chinese Folk Religion" portal was renamed "Shenism." Please correct me if I am wrong, but renaming the portal creates a lot of problems. But the discussion should be on the Talk Page there. All the best in any case. ch (talk) 17:32, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Faism? Wuism?
Hi again AE;

I have another question, again leaning on your good faith and wondering if you can help me out. I've put a comment at the Talk Page for Faism, where I wonder if there is an English language source for the term "Faism." I looked through the notes and sources for the article and could not find one, and a Google search didn't find anything substantial either. So to tell the truth I'm a little skeptical and in any case doubt that Wikipedia should put so much emphasis on such an out-of-the-way term, even if there is a source for it.

I also doubt that Wuism is a good term for an article in the English Wikipedia see WP:English. The main source is a translation, that is, Libbrecht. Although there are several examples in reliable sources, the term is not in general use in other places or in surveys so it is not a WP:Common Name. I suggest that we should rename the article "Chinese shamanism" or some such, and expand it. How does this sound?

You will see that I went ahead and made changes at Chinese folk religion to bring it in line with guidelines for writing the lead in WP:Lead.

Cheers ch (talk) 04:55, 30 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello CWH. Regarding "Faism", the main source for it is the academic publication of the Folk Religion Society of Taiwan Faism and Folk Religion, which is the official translation of "法教與民俗信仰學術研討會論文集". Since the topic has not been covered in Western academia, I think the Chinese source to be a good start.
 * Regarding Wuism vs. Chinese shamanism, the respective articles explain that the two are different (ex. Wuism is not the same as southern mediumship). Chinese shamanism should remain a disambiguation page.
 * I personally disapprove the deletion of alternative names in the lede of the article, particularly in the case they are terms used by academics and properly sourced. Per MOS:LEADALT they should be present in the lede: "significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph. These may include alternative spellings, longer or shorter forms, historical names, and significant names in other languages. Indeed, alternative names can be used in article text in contexts where they are more appropriate than the name used as the title of the article." --Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 13:16, 30 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your good replies here and at the Faism TalkPage, where I've agreed with your suggestion that the article would be better as "Chinese ritual mastery traditions" -- probably any further comments would be better there, so anyone else can add their opinions. Also, I apologize that I should have made my comments about Wuism on the TalkPage there, so let's take it up at that place.ch (talk)

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Greetings! I don't know why you reverted my fixing of the overlinking problem while you were adding new material to the article, but perhaps you could consider making the new additions starting from this version which is cleared from the overlinking? Cheers! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 20:16, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, I was waiting for other people (a third opinion) to comment on the Talk:Religion in China on what to do with the tables, because of our discussion, but you put those tables on the Demographics of China instead. As much disagreement as I have on the usefulness of tables, I think they are even more unsuitable for the Demographics of China article, because if there is already an available main article on this topic ("Religion in China"), then that's where you should put these extensive information at. Making this whole section in the Demographics of China article entirely tables without "content and context" to elaborate isn't a very good way to go. That's why the main article is a better place.

Also, on the talk, you proposed a collapsible template, and that would be a better direction.

I suggest that we move the tables back to the Religion in China article, and make it a collapsible template like you said on the talk page. (Also let's keep this discussion on your talk so its easier to stay on track of the conversation).--Thomasettaei (talk) 13:05, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, I thought to have solved the problem by putting the tables in the "Demographics of China" article, which basically seems to have to do with numbers and graphics. However, if you think that it's better to keep them in the main article as a collapsible template, I'll move them back there! I'll rewrite an introductory text in "Demographics of China#Religion".--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 19:42, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi, on this map File:Largest religion by province in China.svg, you might want to fix the color on Ningxia, since the map is saying "Religion with an absolute majority (50%+) of believers by province of China", and over 60% of the population in Ningxia are Han, with Hui only constitutes 34% of the population there.--Thomasettaei (talk) 07:49, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I am going to fix it. Thank you for having noticed the mistake. I thought Ningxia was 50/50 Hui/Han.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 12:35, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Short citations are cool!
Hi AE;

Just a note to thank you again and make a quick suggestion about bibliography and reference short citations that will save you time in the long run and make the notes in the articles you work on easier for readers. The big advantage for readers is that the footnote is linked directly to the entry in the References section, and the big advantage for the editor is that it produces correct form with no fuss. There is certainly no compulsion to use it, but it is widely used among experienced editors such as yourself. I admit that it took me some experimentation and some mistakes, but it becomes as easy as spelling.

There are several ways to cite described in WP:CITESHORT or the main article Help: Shortened Footnotes.

This is especially helpful in a long complicated article in which a source is referenced in a number of notes

You can see the system in many (but not all) notes in Hinduism or Franz Kafka.

Here are some examples.

For instance, in the Reference section a book would be listed

which would produce

A journal article would be listed

This would produce

Then to make a footnote reference, in the text insert
 * or

which would produce
 * and

The reference section would then be as follows, where you could click the link to get to the full listing (here the listing is above, but obviously in a real article it would be in the Readings section):

Hope this is helpful! It might be clearer if you look at the edit version of this to see the codes rather than the results.

All the best, ch (talk) 23:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation CWH! I'll try to implement this citation method to articles I have contributed to write and potential new articles.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 12:49, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Of the editors I've come across, you are one of the brightest stars.ch (talk) 16:03, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

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I answered on my own TalkPage but am posting this here too, I am still not sure what is the proper etiquette. However in the recent books they published in English they use only "Weixin Shengjiao". I wrote a mail to them in Taiwanand here is the answer: " About "Weixinism", it was a translation before 2010 at a time when we declared ourself as a denomination called "Weixinzong". But there were many people get confused and see us as the branch sect of Buddhism ("zong"宗 means a branch) so we announced that we are an independent new religion called Weixin Shengjiao ("Shengjiao" 聖教 means holy teaching, also a religion). After 2010 our official publications no longer use "Weixinism" or "Weixinzong."" Unfortunately, I do not know how to change the title of the page but recommend you simply eliminate your changes. Also, in all the most recent books of the movement mentioned in the bibliography "Weixin Shengjiao" is translated as "Sacred Teachings of the Mind Only". Please also correct back the French, I believe you can do this by simply eliminating your changes. Thank you, AidaAidayoung (talk) 21:12, 25 February 2017 (UTC) PS You can of course include that Weixinzong or Weixinism were used before 2010 and only Weixin Shengjiao after 2010. Btw, I live in the US and their branches in New York and Los Angeles are listed everywhere as Weixin Shengjiao onlyAidayoung (talk) 21:12, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello Aida. They clearly referred to their official name in Chinese, Weixin Shengjiao instead of Weixinzong (Weixin Tradition), not to the English translation. Besides, zong, "tradition", is not generally translated as "ism", while jiao is. The current official name of the church is Weixin Shengjiao, for short Weixinjiao, and "Weixinism" in English. They consistently publish under the name "Weixinism" through their English-laguage official websites and English-language media. See the English pages of Hun Yuan's website, the official website of their Global Info Centre ("Weixinism Zen-Ji Mountain Global Information Center), their YT news channels and their official YT channel. This establishes "Weixinism" as WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH.--Aethelwolf Emsworth 21:36, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

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