User talk:Épine/Archive/2016-2018

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Jkatz (WMF) (talk) 23:52, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thanks - I try. (Not always successfully.) You are too kind.

Happy editing! -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:21, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Atheism
The logo you placed on the pace is not a logo for atheism per se, merely for one group within it. Please take such proposals to the talk page and also see the discussion here The whole subject is regularly debated and we need to keep to consensus. Thanks, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:23, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

About Spotify pronounciation
Hey Spotify is pronounced like "Spot" (like the name given to a dog) and "ify" (like in identify). When you combine those two words you get Spotify. Hopefully that helps you out a little. :) - Kamran Mackey (talk to me · my contributions) 20:47, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, thanks for reaching out to me. So it's basically pronounced like if I'm not wrong.—‎ Lost Whispers  talk 06:07, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Cockroach
Although the edit you made to the article Cockroach was amusing, please do not commit vandalism of this sort again. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:50, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * first and last time, but I have no regrets.—‎ Lost Whispers talk 11:34, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * For what he did to Turkish Wikipedians, he does deserve the title of roach of the year.  danny music editor  Speak up! 21:56, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * exactly what I had in mind when I made the edit.—‎ Lost Whispers talk 21:59, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Evanescence
None of the stuff you put in the article was directly in the reference you cited. Was it perhaps in the embedded video of Amy Lee talking? That may need to be clarified.

Also, if you'd be able to give a basic translation of the musical style section for your featured version of the band, I'd be more than willing to fix whatever you're not certain of in English. You see, I try to translate it, but Google has a terrible time translating Kurdish of any type.  danny music editor  Speak up! 23:20, 16 May 2017 (UTC)


 * hey! It's true, Google can't translate Central Kurdish yet, it can only translate Northern Kurdish, but we are working our best to get it on there. The things I added to the article where mentioned on a couple of videos I saw on YouTube, next time I'll try to find them before adding the info to the article again. I could understand English well, but here's the translation of my version: "Evanescence is known as a rock and metal band, and most people identify them as a gothic metal band. but there's a conflict determining their exact genre as the medias don't all agree with what the other sources provided."


 * It's the beginning of the section, but that's the only different with the English version and the rest is exactly the same. When I said it needed improvements I meant more information, and it being expanded more. If there are any mistakes please let me now, thanks. —‎ Lost Whispers talk 07:38, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of The Paper Melody


A tag has been placed on The Paper Melody requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician, but it does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. red dogsix (talk) 19:09, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

I have moved the article to Draft:The Paper Melody. Please work on it there to add sources and improve the text. Others may choose to assist you. When you think it is ready for review, click the blue button to submit for review. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:00, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Your signature
Please fix your signature (as used in ). Even without the timestamp, it is 408 characters long:  which is well over the 255-byte limit laid down at WP:SIGLEN. In addition, it includes parser functions ( and  ) contrary to WP:SIG. There are two pointless HTML comments which take up space unnecessarily; there is a certain amount of redundancy too. If we eliminate all of this we can reduce the signature to  which looks exactly the same: and is now only 237 characters. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 20:18, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Old: &#9666; ‎ épine   talk&#9836;
 * New: &#9666; ‎épine talk&#9836;
 * ✅. Thanks. &#9666; ‎épine talk&#9836; 21:10, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * BTW: I changed some things, does this current one cause any problems? &#9666; ‎épine talk</b> &#9836; 22:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's 270 characters, so you're above the length limit again. Please note that some of the characters in your signature are more than one byte: the two "É" and one "é" are each two bytes, and there is a left-to-right mark (three bytes) immediately preceding the first link. So the one that I recommended (which also includes that LRM) is 242 bytes for its 237 chars, but still less than 255. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:56, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * but there's no way to customize it the way I want without it being more than the "limit." But how does this cause any problems anyway? Wouldn't the system reject a signature that's too long automatically? &#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 00:00, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It's covered at WP:CUSTOMSIG, in particular WP:SIGLEN. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 10:16, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: The Paper Melody (August 13)
<div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Drewmutt was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:The Paper Melody and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
 * If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the or on the.
 * You can also use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Drewmutt ( ^ᴥ^ ) talk  20:27, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, that sucked. &#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 03:15, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Opinionated
That's fine, anybody can source anything saying anything. Those six sources were from a biased organization, holding a biased opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SilverEyesaac (talk • contribs) 17:08, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
 * no, you can't call a fact you don't agree with biased. We all know what happens to some of the animals. It's the 21 century.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 18:34, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

@Épine Except that it is in fact from a biased source, and is not a factual statement. It is an opinion because there is no evidence for it. Sorry that you agree with the opinion, but it's just that. If you can find any links that aren't from PETA, I'd be happy to read them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SilverEyesaac (talk • contribs) 20:18, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * There are hundreds of videos on YouTube (aside from the fact that leather comes from dead animals itself), which I believe are proof enough.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 01:16, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Lol
Why are you keep deleting it? Alex2k18stoff (talk) 18:49, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * cause you're not funny.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 18:50, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Lol
What do you mean funny? Tower of silence as an 2018 album of tøp, why are u blocking me for that edit? Its not something wrong, it must be in that page. For fucks sake, i didnt do anything wrong, im just trying to spread this! Fuck this shit, there are more ways to inform people, i dont get why wiki is so complicated. Gonna spread this through other social media so you wont delete this again. Alex2k18stoff (talk) 18:53, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * all edits must be sourced, especially claims such as the one you're making. If there is no reliable source we wouldn't know if it's true or not.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 18:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Lol
Really now? This comment it has been here for a long time. Someone saw it, we kinda all believe its true, there are articles saying it is true and after some idiot delete it, I kept adding it back. Just because you have no idea what is going on with tøp, with their hiatus, with the fucking title of the new album which is "tower of silence" then you should shut the fuck up. Alex2k18stoff (talk) 18:58, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * K.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 19:00, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Aaaand you're done. That kind of conduct is a guaranteed one-way ticket to being blocked - especially if I see it ;-)  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   19:01, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * thank thee o-holy admin.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 19:11, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Blessings upon thee, my child! Fear not, for I am with you! :-)  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   19:45, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

You are now a pending changes reviewer and rollbacker
Hi Épine! I hope you don't mind, but I went through your contributions and I noticed that you perform consistent recent changes patrolling edits, and you consistently view and undo damage to articles. I noticed that you didn't have the "rollbacker" and "pending changes reviewer" user rights, and I think these would be tools that would be useful for you to have. Rather than asking you to request them in WP:PERM, I just went ahead and gave them to you. These user rights allow you to review other users' edits on pages protected by pending changes and quickly revert the edits of other users.


 * Rollback user right
 * Please keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:
 * Rollback should never be used to edit war.
 * Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
 * Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin).


 * Pending changes reviewer user right
 * The list of articles awaiting review is located at Special:PendingChanges, while the list of articles that have pending changes protection enabled is located at Special:StablePages. You may find the following pages useful to review:
 * Reviewing pending changes, the guideline on reviewing.
 * Pending changes, the summary of the use of pending changes.
 * Protection policy, the policy determining which pages can be given pending changes protection by administrators.

Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of reviewer or rollback. If you no longer want either of these user rights, contact me and I'll remove it. Happy editing!  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   19:56, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you so much! It's an honor to be recognized by an active SYSOP like yourself, I'll do my best to revert the vandalism made to the English Wikipedia.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 20:05, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. Don't hesitate to message me if you have any questions about the user rights or need guidance on when using them is appropriate or when it isn't. Though looking at your contributions, I doubt you'll run into much trouble ;-). Cheers -  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   20:28, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I do have really good understanding of how these tools work since I'm a SYSOP on the ckb project! But, in case I made a mistake, please bring it to my talk page so I'll avoid it next time!--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 20:33, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello
Oh,I saw a Kurdish youth in network!Though I'm Chinese and Thousands kilometers away,also see you as my brothers. Guangming4688 (talk) 01:45, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * right?! Isn't the internet amazing? It brings the whole world together! Nice to meet you brother!--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 08:10, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Wild Fire (band)
Hello:

The copy edit that you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Wild Fire (band) has been completed.

You should be aware that Facebook and the band's website, or other pages created by them are not considered reliable sources to use as citations for facts in the article per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources. You should endeavor to find legitimate sources to use instead. As it stands now, the article could be challenged and put up for deletion per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:50, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks, only their Facebook, website and ReverbNation account is written by themselves, and what's written can be confirmed since their works are all published. The other cited sources are written by journalists.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 23:04, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That may be ... but Facebook and the band's website are still not reliable independent, third party sources, nor is Wikipedia which I notice you used for another citation. This is standard Wikipedia policy - just so you know. Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:41, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * well noted.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 14:03, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * could you please check it out now to see if it's any better?--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 01:27, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I've gone through it again for you as requested. For the most part, it is customary on Wikipedia for any information in the lead to appear also in the body of the article with citations. So, I have made sure that this is the case. The body of the article now includes everything that is in the led plus the appropriate citation(s). The citations no longer appear in the lead since they are unnecessary. Twofingered Typist (talk) 15:00, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks again!--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 17:10, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Ways to improve Revolt (Wild Fire album)
Hi, I'm Eagleash. Épine, thanks for creating Revolt (Wild Fire album)!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. The page does not currently pass WP:NMUSIC as there's no indication of chart performance.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

Eagleash (talk) 21:57, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Wild Fire (band)
Template:Wild Fire (band) has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 00:44, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Soner Cagaptay page
Hello Epine,

I am Dr. Soner Cagaptay's assistant. I have been trying to upload his Central Kurdish Wikipedia page. The translation was made by someone from outside. So I just copied and paste the translation. I have been getting these error messages, saying the page is deleted. I found your name in one of the messages. Maybe you flagged the page. Do you know what the problem might be? Feel free to help me out with the upload. Its honestly very hard to upload something in another language. Soner has a large Kurdish audience. We think its necessary to have his page in Kurdish.

Let me know if you can help

Kind Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turkish research (talk • contribs) 18:59, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * the problem is that the writing style is not exactly correct and it was previously deleted because it was completely unsourced. stated that some sections are also repetitive as well. I'll try to improve it when I have time, but it might get deleted once again if the proper measures weren't taken.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 22:15, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

PERM
I have left a message at your request for New Page Reviewer. I certainly do not wish to daunt your enthusiasm for Wikipedia, but I do recommend you first use the tools that granted you recently. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:56, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * i have used those tools. I'm a SYSOP at CKB, I know how all these tools work. You, my fellow Wikipedian, overcomplicate the process for editors like myself at the English Wikipedia, we wish to help but instead, we are lectured about what we already know. Just in case you are not aware, there's a thing called logs (rings a bell?) check those to see the actions I performed using those tools. Thanks.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 03:30, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * So this and this are not recent  are are nothing  to  do  with  Wikipedia? We are not  concerned with  your  experience elswhere, WP:NPP is a complicated process here. I am  not  interested in  being  lectured by  a 500-edit Wikipedia user. If this demonstrates the manner in  which you  will communicate with  new users, then I'm afraid I'm even less convinced. Perhaps you  would like  to  ask  for  a second opinion  from  . Sorry. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:27, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think 's concerns are legitimate. For the record, I am probably one of the more strict admins on numeric requirements for permissions: when a user does not meet the minimum tenure requirement or the minimum edit count requirement, I will decline and let them know they are free to apply again when they meet it. That does not mean that it is automatically granted, just that someone should wait until they meet the minimum numeric requirements until they apply again. If I was unclear on that, I'm sorry. I think Kudpung's concerns about using Facebook as a reliable source are a legitimate reason to decline the permission. I respect that you are a sysop on another Wikimedia Foundation wiki, and thank you for your service there, but the English Wikipedia has it's own content policies and standards, and all we can go off of are your edits here. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * What is wrong with requesting a copyedit? and it's actually 901 edits, 500 in the article namespace. The number of your edits doesn't really tell much about you, how useful they are do. I have a life, and working on Wikipedia is just for fun, not a serious job to me. the Facebook source is temporary and it's the official page of the subject which the article is written about. Wild Fire is not popular within the mainstream media and finding the reliable sources I have so far for the article was hard. I'm continuously improving the article. My issue is with the fact that the policy is incomplete and no one mentioned that your requests will be rejected even when you met all the requirements.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 12:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * P.S. the difference between a new user and you is that you have been around for eleven years.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 12:45, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NPR:  'Editors will normally need to have been registered users of the English Wikipedia for at least 90 days, and have made at least 500 not-deleted edits to mainspace. They will also need to be able to demonstrate from their editing history that they have sufficient experience, and have the ability to communicate in an appropriate manner with new users' . Your request did not  fulfill part of these requirements. I  will  not  be commenting further. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:30, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd just like to weigh in here. The minimum criteria are just that: minimum. The NPR user right needs to be in the hands of those that have demonstrated sufficient experience that the granting admin feels confident that they will have the ability to perform the task. NPP is complicated, not for the inexperienced, and requires in-depth knowledge of dozens of en.wikipedia policy and guideline pages (which are different from those on other language wikis). I personally have invited many users to apply for the user right, and I generally only invite users who have at least 2000-3000 or so edits, in addition to having some decent amount of article creation under their belt. As for you personally, I think you are very promising, and your article Wild Fire (band) is very decent. I would encourage you to continue editing and learning the policies and guidelines of the English Wikipedia, and come back later for the NPR user right. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  06:43, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you for the wise words, I'll try my best.--&#9666; ‎<b style="color:purple;font-size:13px;display:inline-block;border:1px solid purple">épine</b> <b style="color:black;font-size:11px">talk</b> &#9836; 12:13, 14 March 2018 (UTC)