User talk:ŞeyhMuşmula

Hi, we don't use youtube as sources on wikipedia and can you explain why my source is "unreliable" You using pro turkish government source against my independence source. Shadow4dark (talk) 21:46, 15 March 2021 (UTC) And my source is from yesterday, read it next time.Shadow4dark (talk) 21:56, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

I hope this is the right place
I hope this is the right place I've seen your message. I didn't use that youtube link as a source for my edit. My source is a news website as you can see yourself. I put that link in the description because you were insisting to put an outdated source to the page. Words coming from the CEO himself are not pro-gov and neither my source. But in contrary beside your source being outdated it's from an anti-gov/anti-Turkey news website claimed to be funded by U.A.E.

I want to stress outdated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ŞeyhMuşmula (talk • contribs) 22:00, 15 March 2021 (UTC) We can talk here

Can you give me proof it is fund by UAE? it must be non turkish source. And my source it not olddated. Shadow4dark (talk) 22:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

"According to Qantara.de Ahval are financially supported by London media organisation "Al Arab", who are subsidized by the United Arab Emirates" from AHVAL wiki page. No unbiased person can say that this news website isn't anti-Turkey. It is not a good source to use.
 * If you Read further. Arabic language service for not being as neutral as its English language version. Only arabic version is not neutral, we can use my engilish source.Shadow4dark (talk) 22:18, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi i found second and best source. Shadow4dark (talk) 22:33, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

There have been no delays since Temel Kotil announced the roll out in 2023 and flight in 2025.Sources you gave for the delay are not even mentioning a delay.

https://ahvalnews.com/su-57/russia-ready-talks-turkey-su-35-su-57-fighter-jets this article says that "it will go in to service in 2030s" and you say that THE FIRST FLIGHT is delayed to 2030s.

And again same with this https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2021/03/15/until-it-can-acquire-fifth-generation-fighters-what-stopgap-options-has-turkey/amp/ this article says "it will not be fully operational until 2030s" and it is his OWN thought no official source. And the guy. It also doesn't mention a first flight delay.

Now, please delete that sentence because it is misinformation. ŞeyhMuşmula (talk) 11:28, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

hey uk joined as FOR MONEY, it was stated in the media , Bit like some harier variants of the us , they did a collaboration with the uk but the uk only did it as for the profits , hence why the us harrier variants are also british , turkey is doing the same thing , yes its definitely the uk will not ORDER any aircraft , but since the mother company of bae systems not any subsidery like the us or australia are part of the proram even if turkey so called bought it for money , (in reality it was loosing trade restriction , also under ergodan its more likey that the british will reinstate barriers,and pull out ) its still class as british , look at the current italina attck heli , its british even if uk didnt order as the Participated for profit(yes in this scenario technically the type 45 is british , italian ,french), so my point is correct , it didnt originate from the uk but uk participating even if Turkey bought the exepertise from bae systemsPotmandem (talk) 19:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

tai tfx
ive been reading the war going on with colleague potmandem, and you reverting edits, ive seen your reply and potmandem, u simply saying that this project is not a joint coalition is false,until the uk pulls out which is likely in the coming months, yoour reply to potmandem wasnt good enough as u sdidnt say an comparable projects which the uk or orther coutrys got involbed and never got national origin unlike potmandem, u may think im another white person but im actually another turkish person whose real name is Aagha ahmed ali(born in ankara , for past 4 years living in isle of man) , for you to prove your point you must show examples like potmandem , my case is done and clear , ill be following potmandem and your page for the time until both parties resolve situation ,(when proving points say examples which are able to be searched up) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Listenboi (talk • contribs) 20:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey, this is not a joint venture and it is not false. BAE system does not own any rights on the project, they simply sell their expertise. The difference I think you don't understand(and probably another account of your) is that BAE systems involving in this project in very little scale does not make UK a country of origin. BUT it makes BAE systems a collaborator in the project. Wich is probably until preliminary design studies are done. You are a real Turkish person with a non- Turkish name? Who are you exactly and why did you create a new account just to write this? I'm going to do my edit tomorrow and I don't need to give any examples to make my point. It's already clear. Seriously, who are you? ŞeyhMuşmula (talk) 01:02, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Im potmandem ok, forgot password, dont know other person listenboi
ive read your reply to that guy soo calling calling me colleague, if bae does withdraw after prelimary design or the part of bae becomes a turkish subsidery, your right , ive read it , its not a collaboration from what i said (i apolgise for being an inconvinience) but is actually technical support in the software, when you do edit the page , make sure that bae system is labelled as assisting with software not as a collaboration or else other people who didnt kniw (like me) will not try and start an argument,

(who the tf is listenboi report him please)Mandem1234 (talk) 19:26, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I only knew that collaboration was about the design of the aircraft but I will look into software side too. Thanks. ŞeyhMuşmula (talk) 00:19, 31 March 2021 (UTC)