User talk:ΚΕΚΡΩΨ/Archive 2

Northern Cyprus
Hi Kekrops. I'm glad that the unfortunate page move got sorted out. While I was trying to figure out which one was originally the page and which one was the redirect, I was amused to notice that the editors who tend to favor the Greek side on this issue seem to *prefer* Northern Cyprus as the page name, because 'Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' makes the other side sound more legitimate. I imagine that there is no need for move protection, since there doesn't appear to be a move war. Let me know if you disagree. EdJohnston (talk) 16:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Not necessarily. Even Turkish editors have advocated or accepted the current article location, which has been stable for a while now. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 16:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Britannica Online
Hi. Since you are good in English, will you please take a look here? Thank you. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 14:34, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I added the info here and here. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 16:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've taken a look at the ancient Macedonians article and cleaned up the paragraph as requested. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 10:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

"Macedonia" name as used in 2008_Bucharest_summit
Oh Gosh...Not again...How many times shall I point out that the neo-Greeks have no monopoly or copyright over the name Macedonia...The name Macedonia is widely used as this country was recognized under this very name by the likes of United States, Canada, China, Russia out of which the first two (countries) are heavy weight Nato members. Or see for exmple its use by the BBC. In fact, even your own Greek media has admitted defeat as to this issue. Much as you would like to, you cannot transform wikipedia into a Greek nationalistic den, sorry my friend! Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 17:15, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I see it's "business as usual" in Greece and we're only in March... Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 17:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Μίλησε κανείς; ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 20:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Ti simenei ayto poy tous egrapses kekrops?athanasiadis_iordanis 11:50, 03 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iordanis athanasiadis (talk • contribs)


 * Σε σένα το 'γραψα, με κυριλλική γραφή όμως για να επισημάνω την πλήρη έλλειψη κατανόησης της ελληνικής θέσης από την άλλη πλευρά: «Στου κουφού την πόρτα, όσο θέλεις βρόντα.» ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 01:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

This comment
This comment of yours (all of it), is the most ingenious description of the issue as the Greeks see it. I couldn't have phrased it better (except maybe the "thick scull"). NikoSilver 18:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Cheers, mate. And to think I just got back from a wild weekend and my thick skull is still spinning... ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 18:33, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for butting in but I thought that was the best part. 3rdAlcove (talk) 01:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I was trying to be (over)sensitive. NikoSilver 01:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I was going to say blockhead, but that might be construed as uncivil. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 04:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

My Talk
If someone posts a comment or asks me a question on my talk page, or I post a comment/question directed at them, please don't post your own opinion/answer/comment. I'm referring specifically to the "Macedonia", "A little help" and "Ilinden" sections. If they want to talk you, there is this page here.  Balkan Fever  12:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Why? Don't you love me no more? :( ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 13:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * BF? Cheating me with Kekrops? NikoSilver 21:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry Niko, what?  Balkan Fever  03:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I think he meant "cheating on me". It's called humour, mate. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 04:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol it makes sense now. And don't worry, I still "love" you.  Balkan Fever  04:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

re: Aegean Macedonians
hi kekrops, i saw your comment on here just a question would you accept an article titled "aegean macedonians" on wikipedia if i was to create one? or would a fellow greek user remove it as a point of veiw push ? or would you possibly be interested in making the article with me so to avoid an edit war???? P m kocovski (talk) 23:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Dialects of Macedonian language
Do you have any reliable, both Greek and foreign, sources that describe the slavika/dopia as something other than Macedonian language? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dialects_of_Macedonian_language Xenovatis (talk) 08:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

can you help to make my case??
Could you help me to make my case and be unbanned, I hope you are not form the people that want to hear one side of the story ?!Albanian fellow —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.242.30.64 (talk) 11:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You've incurred the wrath of a higher power, I'm afraid. I don't think there's much I can do for you; he hardly listens to me. Try User:BalkanFever. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 11:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

What is the editing ettiquette her in Wiki?
Hi Kekrops.

You saw my arguments as to Herodot's texts that bear similar changes to numerous articles like "Dorians", "Macedonians", Lacedaemonians" etc. I am new in wiki and thus very reluctant to edit anything "official". Could you tell me what the proper procedure is for something to be edited? Are there "official editors", moderators etc who do this job? Is there some time to dispute any proposal or anything like that? Can I edit articles after taking permission or something?

Thanks in advance

GK

GK1973 (talk) 00:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No, just be bold and edit whatever you think needs editing. No permission required. Naturally, bear in mind that anybody can edit or revert your edits, so be prepared to argue your case on the relevant talk page. Good luck. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Alecander the Great, again
Ρήξε μιά ματιά εδώ σε παρακαλώ: []  --Tsourkpk (talk) 19:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Carthago
Phoenician is given with Hebrew characters in modern transcription, so they are right in place. Wandalstouring (talk) 07:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Macedonians in Romania
You recently moved Macedonians in Romania to Ethnic Macedonians in Romania with the explanation "Aromanians are also known as Macedonians in Roumania". Do you have any sources for this?? If so could you please present them. P m kocovski (talk) 01:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You could ask User:BalkanFever; he seems to know more about it than I do. But I'll have a look for you. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 07:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've still got nothing - need to find a Romanian (excuse the pun).  Balkan Fever  08:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've found a few, but they're all in Roumanian. Does anyone have access to Thede Kahl's The Ethnicity of Aromanians after 1990? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 08:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't have it, but I don't think it will give an answer to this question. It seems to focus on the dual nationality (or identity crisis, if you will) of the Aromanians, especially in Greece and Romania.  Balkan Fever  10:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I was wondering whether the first entry here might give us something, which is why I asked. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking at Romanian Wikipedia, "Macedoneni" seems to refer to ethnic Macedonians.  Balkan Fever  10:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Only as a redlink to a pagină inexistentă. And the same article contains the passage: "La sosirea lor în România, aceşti grămuşteni au fost colonizaţi ca "macedoneni", iar cetăţenia regatului România le-a fost acordată abia după un deceniu." Now my Vlach is a bit rusty, but I think it's talking about Aromanian colonies în România? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 11:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably should ask a native to translate.  Balkan Fever  12:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Nikodim Tsarknias
Hi. Can you rewrite Nikodim Tsarknias in order we have a NPOV? My efforts were reverted and I don't want to go for a 3RR. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Can you also help with the NOF article?
Hello, I was wondering if you can take a look at my objections to the NOF article on the talk page. I think the article that Revizionst has created is quite biased and in fact quite POV and untrue in cases. How can we help to make this better? Should I send a message to Avg and NikoSilver as well? Regards, AgiosD (talk) 19:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Kékrōps
Why are you removeing Neutrality from top??? Shoud i inform MORESHI about this???Please,i already say that this is only from Greek view and more neutral refs are needed!Put it back!--Makedonij (talk) 22:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

ETHNIC MACEDONIANS IN GERMANY
Can you suport your claim??It saies in census Mazedonier,not Ethnic Mazedonier!!!--Makedonij (talk) 16:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * So what? That doesn't change the fact that a large percentage of the Greeks in Germany are Macedonians (Makedonier - unfortunately, English doesn't make that distinction). I'm sure the German census doesn't record the Bavarians separately either. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 16:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you now what word Madjiri refers to?We are talking in that article about nation,MACEDONIANS,for provincional niks in Germany you can made your self another article,if you know where Germany is?--Makedonij (talk) 17:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Piss off. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 17:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm wondering when the Greek-Macedonians will declare Macedonia independent from Greece, because its obvious from there Wikipedia edits that they are more obsessive about being Macedonian in an ethnic sense, then being Greek in an ethnic sense. Mactruth (talk) 22:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The only Macedonians in an ethnic sense were the ancient Hellenic ethnos, which according to Herodotus was called Macedonian when it lived in Pindus, and was only later called Dorian when it reached the Peloponnese (The Histories, 1.56). ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 11:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Χειρουργική
Hello. Judging by the way your username is written, I hypothesized you probably have some knowledge in linguistics; could you perhaps suggest what would be the ideal transliteration of the Greek word 'χειρουργική'? (see the intro here). Regards. ktr (talk) 10:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * IPA, definitely. Allow me... ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ευχαριστώ. Να 'σαι καλά. ktr (talk) 10:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually no, sorry. The English word derives from ancient Greek, so we have to use the more traditional Roman transliteration system. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. ktr (talk) 10:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Though does look rather funky, apart from being entirely impenetrable to anyone who isn't Greek. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Truly so. ktr (talk) 10:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

FYROM name
Any reason for doing this after having been directed to re-read WP:MOSMAC? --Enric Naval (talk) 06:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid you shall have to re-read it. There is "no clearly defined consensus" on the terminology to be used in "articles about Greece", but "Macedonia" and "Republic of Macedonia" are avoided in practice. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 06:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Please stop wikilawyering on this subject, and stop trying to introduce FYROM on the articles. On Requests_for_arbitration/Macedonia I can see that on 10 February you violated your revert parole on WP:MOSMAC by edit warring into the proposal. I think that you have a deep bias into this, and I'm asking you to not edit war the term again into the article. Please notice that are forcing the name into the article instead of using the name of the article that is being linked, without providing any reason for this. --Enric Naval (talk) 06:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, don't make condescendent summaries like "val, carinyet", which, for the english speakers, reads "ok, little darling". Specially when you are reverting an edit that cites you MOSMAC, the editing of which got you into a revert parole on an arbitration case. --Enric Naval (talk) 06:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, little darling. I've provided my reasoning for the edits, namely the standard practice of avoiding the controversial terms "Macedonia" and "Republic of Macedonia" in articles about Greece. This is a long-standing convention that you would be well-advised to respect. As for my having a "deep bias into this", I think the same could be said for you, judging by your recent edit history. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 06:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * And by the way, WP:MOSMAC's deprecation of the use of "Macedonia"/"Republic of Macedonia" in articles about Greece was firmly in place until a small group of editors decided they would dispute it, hence the current status quo of "no consensus". It had nothing to do with my unpopular MOSMAC edits, which pertained to the use of "Macedonia" in country navigation templates, a separate matter altogether. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 07:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok, I see. You mean that MOSMAC has not consensus for articles about Greece. Well, that's a fine point there, and I'll have to agree with you, since Greece itself seems to use this convention, and since Greece government prefers to use that name for their neighbours. I had been recently applying it on the Republic of Macedonia article, where there is actual consensus to do this (hence the bias that you mention). I apologize for not noticing that a different consensus applied to articles on Greece, and I won't revert your edits again. Next time I'll take more care to check first if it's an article about a macedonian location or about a greek location.


 * About edits at MOSMAC, yes, I saw that it was not the same topic. I wanted to mean that you should be careful when dealing with MOSMAC because you already got into trouble editing it, but it was an unwarranted comment for this topic, so I apologize for doing so (and I really need to learn to stop bringing up arb cases on discussions, since every single time I do it on a wrong context).


 * (finally, please, try to provide explanations on the edit summaries, or, for too long arguments, use the summary to refer to the talk page. Apart from other issues, the summary that you used will at most accomplish to irk other editors, which doesn't help in having later a calm objective fact-based discussion. Vale, cariñito mio? Ma petite pomme-de-terre.) --Enric Naval (talk) 19:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Discúlpame, it's the most affectionate thing I know how to say in Catalan. One final point: Florina is a Macedonian location and a Greek location; please try to understand that the two are not mutually exclusive. Much of the Greek frustration stems from this false dichotomy. Skopje, which was never part of the original ancient Macedonian kingdom but rather Dardania, is often called the "capital of Macedonia" today, while the actual capital of the wider historical region of Macedonia, Thessaloniki, has its Macedonian location ignored completely. It would be rather like Andorra changing its name to Catalonia and, being the only sovereign state where Catalan is official at a national level, was referred to as a "Catalan location", whereas Barcelona remained simply a "Spanish" one. The only difference being, of course, that Andorrans and Spanish Catalans are not ethnically or linguistically dissimilar, unlike the Greek and Slav Macedonians, the latter of which think only their ethnicity and language should be called "Macedonian". ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 22:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. I can't comment on the dichotomy because I don't know enough of the details of this matter. Btw, I live in La Franja, which has a 90% bilinguist population and also had frontiers moving along time. ---Enric Naval (talk) 02:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Macedonians
Sorry, I don't know what happened there, I have been trying to keep the 'ancient Macedonian' bit correct though. Doug Weller (talk) 08:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 08:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

thanx!
thanx! i love it too! But where's the cannes filme festival?! What a great sense of humour :L PMK1 (talk) 11:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

The Barnstar of WikiProject Greece!
Dear Kekrops, I hereby award you the barnstar of WikiProject Greece, for your work and contribution in (true) Macedonia-related matters!

--Michael X the White (talk) 21:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Cheers. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 07:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[[Image:Information.png|25px]] Ethnic and cultural conflicts
Hello, An issue you have been involved in editing has been brought to the Ethnic and cultural conflicts noticeboard. If you wish to have an input on the discussion of the topic, please participate by adding your comments at Ethnic and cultural conflicts noticeboard. Thank you. PMK1 (talk) 11:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Arnaiz-Vilena
But why?? Traumatized was greeat!!! ( lol.) You wrote it better. just joking Seleukosa (talk) 09:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think I'm scarred for life after that. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 09:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * lol, my eyes were traumatized when I saw that too! NikoSilver 20:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Slavophone Greeks(Agean Macedoniasn)
Have a look at the [] (mainly at my comments)and at the [].

Seleukosa (talk) 16:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Arvanites GA Sweeps Review: On Hold
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I have reviewed Arvanites and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. In reviewing the article, I have found there are multiple issues that need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left this message on your talk page since you have significantly edited the article (based on using this article history tool). Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix with the assistance of multiple editors. I have also left messages on the talk pages for other editors and a related WikiProject to spread the workload around some. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 02:58, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

History of modern Macedonia (Greece)
I have been gone for two months and this issue is still not resolved. I have made two very good compromise article names:
 * 1) History of Macedonia (Greece) is consistent with the article Macedonia (Greece) just like History of the Republic of Macedonia is consistent with Republic of Macedonia
 * 2) History of Greek Macedonia identifies it as a region of Greece and therefore does not monopolize.

Kekrops, it seems that you do not want to discuss the issue, but want to avoid it altogether with statements as "please stop" and "go away". You may view the article name appropriate but I see it as monopolizing, in which "modern Macedonia" is in "(Greece)." Before the 19th century Macedonia was never part of a nation called Greece, so your argument does not compute. Mactruth (talk) 22:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Unneeded coment
Please read Articles for deletion, it is not a vote cast but just argument giving process, so your comment was unneeded. whatever. balkanian (talk) 18:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It also says "Please make only one recommendation". ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 18:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

You are propabbly right. Nevermind, I think that this is Otherstuffexists, and according to Articles for deletion it is neither an arument to use, nor a discussion page to discuss. I personaly, recomend you te revert it, you may creat a new page, for it. What do you think?balkanian (talk) 18:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

my comment
не, то није било на српском. Било је на македонском'. No, that was not in Serbian. It was in Macedonian. --Añtó&#124; Àntó (talk) 12:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

my comment
не, то није било на српском. Било је на македонском.

No that was not in Serbian. It was in Macedonian. --Añtó&#124; Àntó (talk) 12:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * And yet, despite being Macedonian, I have no idea what it means. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 22:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Ήπειρος
Επειδή βλέπω ότι είσαι κάπως ενεργός την τελευταία βδομάδα στα Ηπειρώτικα (Ν και Β) άρθρα, αν γουστάρεις ρίχνε καμμιά ματιά σε τίποτα Βλόρες και Χίμαρες, Παραμύθια και λοιπά. Προφανώς τα αλβανικά ονόματα έχουν μεγαλύτερη αξία κλιψ κλοψ. Κάτι ταυλάντιοι και ανώνυμοι προσθέτουν και διάφορες άλλες μπαρούφες. Θενξ. 3rdAlcove (talk) 10:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

August 2008
You have been blocked for 24 hours from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text below.


 * ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 12:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I leave the unblock decision to another admin, but complaints in the vein of "but the others are much more disruptive" are not what I consider to be an reasonable unblock request.  Sandstein   12:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Wasn't the block meant to expire at 14:44 UTC? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 14:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, you should be unblocked. Is it working? — Satori Son 15:04, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No: "The other user was blocked by Sandstein for the following reason (see our blocking policy): Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "Kékrōps"... and "This block has been set to expire: 22:22, 29 August 2008". ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 15:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, I've undone the autoblock on your IP address. Sorry for that. Please try now. — Satori Son 15:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It's working now, thanks. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 15:30, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all, and sorry again for the inconvenience. In closing, could I please offer one piece of friendly advice? I don't know the facts here at all, but in the future, if you feel another editor has acted inappropriately, the best option is to remain civil (even if they do not). Don't stoop to anyone else's level. If you need assistance, you can always ask for it at Wikiquette alerts or Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. And you're even more likely to get help if you have remained polite and respectful in the face of bad behavior. Thanks and good luck! — Satori Son 15:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I try my best, but I am only human after all. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 15:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand, and I promise I've been there, too. Here's an essay that has helped me from time to time: No angry mastodons. Best of luck to you. — Satori Son 20:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Just saw this... what can I say, unbelievable. Especially when the other involved parties simply get away with much worse.--   Avg     20:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Re User:Future Perfect at Sunrise.
Γεια σου Κέκροπα. Μια ερώτηση σχετικά με τον προαναφερθέντα χρήστη/συντονιστή: είχε πάρει το μάτι μου, αν θυμάμαι καλά, την παραδοχή του στη σελίδα σου ότι όντως συνεργάζεται με τον χρήστη Moreschi (βλ. επίσης Folantin) για τον αποκλεισμό συντακτών οι οποίοι υπεισέρχονταν σε θέματα τα οποία επεξεργαζόταν και ο ίδιος (μη δυνάμενος να τους αποκλείσει ο ίδιος λόγω των κανονισμών της ΒΠ). Ο τύπος, λοιπόν, έχει καταλήξει εκεί που αναπόφευκτα θα κατέληγε επιδεικνύοντας τέτοια αντικοινωνική συμπεριφορά απέναντι σε πλήθος χρηστών (βλ. εδώ). Θα σου ήμουν ευγνώμων αν μπορούσες να με πληροφορήσεις σχετικά, αν γνωρίζεις κάτι. Γεια χαρά. ktr (talk) 09:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, they do co-operate as far as I'm aware, and have made no secret of that fact either. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 09:29, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ευχαριστώ. Να 'σαι καλά. ktr (talk) 09:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

The WikiProject Greece August 2008 newsletter
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"Ancient Greek" Image Question
Visit the article and look at the map given for the distribution of the Greek dialects. My objections are :


 * that it does not give a correct time period (first it read 400 BC (days ago), then 600 BC. now 700 BC)
 * when it read 400 BC, I proposed that the distribution was incorrect since many Greek spaking regions visible on the map were characterized as non-Greek (Macedonia, Chalkidike and Samothrace, the Greek cities of Illyria and Thrace among them). This is why it was later changed to 600 and 700 BC.
 * The caption of Macedonia is placed north of Chalkidike and of course placed in the non Greek speaking world. Macedonia comprised these lands in the 4th century BC but not before. So, either the map is showing Grece in the 4th century (after 400 BC) or Macedonia should be erased to be able to say that the map is about the Greek speaking world of 800 BC.

Please see to it, read the discussion and place your opinion. The image was provided by "Future Perfect at Sunrise", with whom you keep correspondance, so he could make any corrections needed. I do not want to plunge into yet another debate over whether Macedonians spoke Greek or not but the map as stands today is just wrong and can easily be corrected. Unfortunately, any mention to Macedonia is greeted with scorn and characterized as another attempt to politically manipulate Wikipedia, which truly is not the case here...

GK1973 (talk) 12:15, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that any inaccuracies should be corrected, and Macedonia presented as distinct from the indisputably non-Greek-speaking regions. Have you tried approaching FP directly? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 12:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

FP moved the discussion and took back his supposed "reconciliatory" promises. He insists on portraying Macedonia as a clearly and indisputably non-Greek speaking region. He and some other guy agreed that my position to somehow make clear that Macedonian is either a probable Greek or a possibly non-Greek dialect were nationalistic and non-mainstream archaeology and he has made it absolutely clear that he will not do something like that. Please visit this new "template discussion" and see for yourself. I thinkl he only made that discussion to avoid "unnecessary" attention to the conversation by people who have tagged the article discussion. I do not know what your opinion is on FP but his persistence to not comply with such a clear demand, to be in accordance with Wikipedia's own article, let alone archaeology and history is really peculiar and aggressive. I even proposed to leave it be, take out the name Macedonia and date the map at 700 BC when Macedonia was anyway mostly within the boundaries of the proposed Greek speaking map but this was also not to his liking since this would not suit his agenda...

Thanks

GK1973 (talk) 21:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Suspected sock puppets/Kékrōps for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. De728631 (talk) 19:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Not so fast! User:ΚεκρωΨ and User:ΚέκρωΨ are his old accounts. What you think that he is sock puppet? What a fool you are, you accuser of Kekrops! He simply might want Greek script over Latin script. 87.96.89.68 (talk) 20:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

About those archive deletions: can you list once more which you want deleted, and where the legitimate real archives are? There's been so much confusion with the sock it's a bit difficult to see through. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, it's probably best if all the remaining archives are deleted, i.e. /Archives/2008/September, /Archive 0 and /Archive 1. That way I can just start again from scratch by reverting my talk page to the status quo ante so the bot can do the rest. Cheers. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 18:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Name change
I have a question for you on WP:CHU. By the way, the reply you posted was for a question meant for another user, so I removed it.  bibliomaniac 1  5  05:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, I only just realized. Sorry for my blond moment. I shall reply to your question on the project page. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 05:46, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Requests for comment
There's an ongoing requests for comment. Please check it out... and notify anyone interested. --Crossthets (talk) 15:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know what I could possibly add that hasn't been said already. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 15:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries. I've added my own two cents on the matter. My best guess is more will continue to add their names.


 * Any how...if you have the time... I have a question about Wikipedia etiquette (I seem to have an admirer). I've done a bunch of reading but it is a bit overwhelming for a newb to take it all in at once, deal with the trolls on political pages, and attempt to perform edits at the same time. Can you perhaps give me any advice? (preferably on my talk page for quick reference)


 * And here are a few things that are vague to me...


 * use of the words "nationalist", "FYROM-supporter"? Are they acceptable? I prefer to focus on the articles and not to use them against specific contributers but when some troll comes at me in this manner how is one to respond?
 * some vague rule about using article talk pages as a "forum"?
 * To what extent am I allowed to use your/my talk page to discuss potential future article edits?
 * I have a boatload of facts that appear to be missing from articles. I'd like to assemble them into a central repository to-do list (formatted to Wikipedia standards) but am unsure where the line between to-do list and "soapboxing" falls.


 * Thanks for any advice you can provide--Crossthets (talk) 22:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

btw - I've added some comments about the language map on the Greece page. I support its immediate removal... as well as another one from the same homemade source I think. I suggest arbitration if someone doesn't agree. --Crossthets (talk) 05:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm probably not the best person to ask about etiquette. I'm hardly the bubbliest editor on Wikipedia, am I? I understand the frustration you sometimes feel, but making things overly personal will only get you blocked in the end. The best way to deal with a tense situation is probably to take a break for a couple of days to cool off. The stuff about soapboxing is fairly simple; don't clutter the talk pages with loads of "evidence" that no one will ever read. They'll just see it as spam and treat you accordingly. Σιγά σιγά, με το μαλακό. Μη βιάζεσαι. Βλέπω ότι έχεις πράγματα να προσφέρεις. Με λίγη υπομονή και καλή διάθεση μπορείς να καταφέρεις αρκετά. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 04:53, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Kέκροπα,I ,too, would really appreciate your opinion in the RfC. It's on a very important matter I think.Regards,Michael X the White (talk) 09:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Please don't insist, guys. There are so many incidents and so much material to cover... I simply don't have the time or energy to rummage through edit histories just to score a cheap point against the German, who is actually one of our best editors anyway. Sure, he can be a nightmare to deal with but he sure knows his scheiz. Good luck with whatever it is you hope to inflict on him, though. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 11:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You read too much into my request ΚΕΚΡΩΨ. All I was looking for is feedback on the matter on hand. --Crossthets (talk) 07:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

?
Have you noticed this tragic article? This guy even renamed Child refugees of the Greek Civil War to the new article...

I have restored the old article with informations from the main Civil War article Kapnisma ? 13:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * KOSOVA ka kufi Serbine e jo Serbine qendrore, ckuptim ka kjo qe ben?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.24.240.76 (talk) 13:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, GËZUAR to you too. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 13:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Gezuar what or tungjatjeta?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.24.240.76 (talk) 16:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Macedonia's NATO candidacy.
Just to let you know, I've raised the issue of Macedonia's NATO candidacy on the Kosovo Recognition talk page. Cheers. Bazonka (talk) 17:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Cyprus
Hi Kekrops, I haven't time to get involved in an edit dispute, so I haven't reverted your second edit yesterday. I would still prefer something like "Turkish Cypriot-run". The problem with "Turkish" on its own is that it is ambiguous both refering to those Cypriots with a Turkish-based culture and to the state of Turkey. AFAIAA it is the former who control the north, albeit with backing from the latter. And I've used "Turkish-based culture" advisedly as the two Cypriot ethnicities are a lot closer to each other genetically than they are to either of the mainland groups withwhich they have aligned themselves.--Peter cohen (talk) 09:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a matter of interpretation, really. Many would argue that it is in fact the generals in Ankara who run the "independent" state they carved out when they invaded in 1974. You say "Turkish-controlled" is ambiguous, but in this case that's not necessarily a bad thing. Simply put, Mehmet Ali Talat cannot agree to a resolution of the Cyprus dispute without the green light from Turkey's National Security Council, can he? · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 16:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Slav Makedonski is Bulgarian
I am worried. Do they think they are Bulgarians? Most Slavomakedonce contributors show in their language box to speak Slav "Macedonian", etc. But they do not show any Bulgarian. Since the two are totally understandable to each other, this probably means that our Slavomakedonce friends believe that Slav "Macedonian" is so obviously the same as Bulgarian that they do not even have to tell anyone about it.... If anyone of them denies speaking Bulgarian, it would be like an Australian denying he understands an Irishman. Politis (talk) 15:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's really not our fight, to be perfectly frank. If the Serbs and Croats can speak "separate" languages (or even the Bosniaks and Montenegrins, for that matter), why not these guys? The (only) issue for us is that they've taken a name of a particular gravity in Greek history to denote their random breakaway dialect. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 16:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * This is a forum-esque issue Politis, remember wikipedia is not a forum. Also kekrops do you object to the three language maps i have created based on Riki van Boeschtons linguistic study. I have done 2 macedonian ones and one aromanian language map. It would be better though if the survey had included all villages in the prefecture. Also i have tried to make it as accurate as possible :). PMK1 (talk) 10:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I don't object to the maps. What I do object to is including them in geo-stubs like this, where they inevitably take over the article. Especially given that, according to your own map, the town of Aridaia itself is not "Macedonian"-speaking. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 10:42, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually the study did not include the towns of florina and aridaia but there is a macedonian speaking population as that is where Nikodim Tsarniakas holds service in the Macedonian language. Also is there an objection to the maps going on the Florina page or should they go on the Florina prefecture page. Better still i will transfer all the info to the Florina prefecture page.PMK1 (talk) 21:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

no Ottoman Census data
I brought up a point there is no Ottoman census data that indicates an "ethnic Macedonian" (but it does list Bulgarians) on the naming dispute page. Unfortunately, as usual, FYRoM supporters try to obfuscate this huge issue. (i.e that the vast majority of their great grandfathers called themselves Bulgarians). Could you perhaps add some feedback on the issue? --Crossthets (talk) 21:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece
An article that you have been involved in editing, Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece. Thank you. Avg (talk) 20:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Ill let you do the honours and disambiguate this page. PMK1 (talk) 21:21, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * How about we do them all in one go once you create Macedonians on Mars? · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 23:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Good idea. ps. i moved the aromanians in florina to the Aromanian language page. Would you be willing on expanding this article, List of Aromanian settlements. I could imagine that their would be some good information on vlahoi.net but i cant understand much greek. Wanna help? PMK1 (talk) 00:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Η τεραστία κοινωνική σημασία των βλακων εν τω συγχρόνω βίω
...Εἰς τὴν πολυπληθῆ κατηγορίαν τῶν βλακῶν προσάπτεται ἀσφαλῶς ἄδικος καὶ ἐπιστημονικῶς ἐσφαλμένη μομφή, ὅταν οὗτοι χαρακτηρίζονται εἴτε ὡς ἄχρηστοι καὶ περιττὸν βάρος τῆς κοινωνίας, εἴτε ὡς παρασιτικοί, ἐκφράζεται δὲ συχνὰ ἡ ἀνόητος, ὡς θὰ ἴδωμεν, εὐχὴ ὅπως οὗτοι ἐκλείψουν. Τὸ πρόβλημα τῶν βλακῶν δὲν εἶναι ἐν τούτοις ἁπλοῦν ὅταν ληφθῆ πρώτον ὕπ΄ ὄψιν ἡ στερεὰ καὶ ἀπολύτως ἀναγκαία θέσις, ἢν οὗτοι ἐπαξίως κατέχουν ἐν τῷ κοινωνικῷ διαφορισμῶ. Οἱ βλᾶκες διαιροῦνται οὕτως εἰς δυὸ ὅλως ἀντιθέτους μεταξὺ τῶν «ὁμάδας», διεπομένας ὅμως ἀμφοτέρας ὑπὸ τοῦ αὐτοῦ νόμου, τοῦ διαφορισμοῦ Ἡ πρώτη ἐκ τούτων ὁμὰς καταλαμβάνει ὡς γνωστὸν τὰς ὑποδεεστέρας ἐν τὴ κοινωνία θέσεις, ἤτοι εὑρίσκεται εἰς τὰς κατωτάτας βαθμίδας τοῦ κοινωνικοῦ διαφορισμοῦ. Πόσον εὐεργετικὴ διὰ τὴν κοινωνίαν εἶναι ἡ ὁμὰς αὕτη εἶναι περιττὸν νὰ τονισθῆ, διότι ἄνευ αὐτῆς δὲν θὰ ὑπῆρχεν ἐκμετάλλευσις καὶ ἄνευ ἐκμεταλλεύσεως δὲν θὰ ὑπῆρχε πολιτισμός. Εἰς δὲ τὴν γλῶσσαν τοῦ κοινωνικοῦ διαφορισμοῦ: Ἄνευ αὐτῆς δὲν θὰ ὑπῆρχε διαφορισμός, διότι ἀντὶ τῆς ἀνισότητος, θὰ ὑπῆρχεν ἰσότης, ἔστω καὶ ἐκ τῶν ἄνω, δηλαδὴ θὰ ἦσαν ὅλοι εὐφυεῖς, ὅπερ ἀπὸ τῆς ἀπόψεως τοῦ διαφορισμοῦ τὸ αὐτό: ὡς νὰ ἦσαν ὅλοι βλᾶκες· διότι ὁ διαφορισμὸς ἀπαιτεῖ ρητῶς καὶ εὐφυεῖς καὶ βλᾶκας, περικοπτωμένων δὲ οἱονδήποτε ἐκ τῶν δυὸ τούτων σκελῶν του, αἴρεται ὁλόκληρος. Ἄνευ δέ, κάτ΄ ἀκολουθίαν, τοῦ διαφορισμοῦ, καθισταμένου δυνατοῦ μόνον διὰ τῆς σοβαρᾶς συμβολῆς τῶν βλακῶν, δὲν ὑπάρχει κοινωνία. Τοιαύτη λοιπὸν ἡ τεραστία κοινωνικὴ σημασία τῶν βλακῶν, ἤτις ἄλλως τὲ ὑπὸ πάντων ἀναγνωρίζεται, μολονότι μόνον εἰς τὸν κοινωνιολόγον εἶναι ἐπιστημονικῶς γνωστή...

Ελπιζω η αναγνωση αυτου του εξαιρετου πονηματος του Λεμπεση, εκτος απο ευχαριστηση, να σου δωσει και κουραγιο για την αντιμετωπιση της ολοενα αυξουμενης ορδης τους. Kapnisma ? 17:52, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Σωστός ο παίχτης. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 18:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

...αλλά και του ολοένα αυξανόμενου διωγμού και της εγκατάλειψης (της wp)των μη βλακών...--Michael X the White (talk) 18:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Kapnisma ? 18:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

κεκρωψ
οταν μιλας με σκοπιανους γαμας και δερνεις! το προσπαθω και γω.καλη συνεχεια. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.167.52.4 (talk) 13:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Το κατά δύναμιν. Γιατί δεν εγγράφεσαι για να σε παίρνουν πιο πολύ στα σοβαρά; · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 13:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Συγχαρητήρια!! Μόλις προείχθης σε nationalist propagnada pusher από (ποιούς άλλους;;;) τους α-ντι-κει-με-νι-κούς Σκοπιανούς!! Συγχαρητήρια!!! (ΥΓ Αναρωτιέμαι ακόμα γιατί δεν λαμβάνεις μέρος σ'εκείνο το RFC...θα χρειαστεί σύντομα, είμαι σίγουρος!).--Michael X the White (talk) 19:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Πρόσφυγες
Γεια. Είχα δει ένα ντοκυμανταίρ για ένα χωριό στα Σκόπια, κοντά στα σύνορα τους με τη Βουλγαρία, του οποίου οι κάτοικοι είναι Μικρασιάτες πρόσφυγες που εγκαταστάθηκαν εκεί κατά λάθος. Οι κάτοικοι αυτοί μιλούσαν στις κάμερες και έλεγαν τις ιστορίες τους στα ελληνικά, βέβαια. Όπως επίσης και εικόνες του χωριού και την παρούσα κατάσταση. Ψάχνω να βρω το όνομα του χωριού. Μόλις το βρω, θα μπει κατευθείαν στα σχετικά άρθρα. --Hectorian (talk) 15:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Να ᾿σαι καλά. Μια τέτοια πηγή θα βοηθούσε αρκετά και στο σχετικό λήμμα. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 15:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Κάτι τέτοιο θα ήταν επίσης πολύυυυυυυυ χρήσιμο στην συζήτηση για την γλώσσα στο άρθρο τους.--Michael X the White (talk) 17:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Greek minority
I rewrote the article. I hope its more acceptable and NPOV now. Luka Jačov (talk) 12:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it isn't. You are clearly unable to write grammatical, orthographic English. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 12:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree but you could have correct it instead of erasing it. I showed good will and you steped on it. Luka Jačov (talk) 12:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You really need to establish consensus on the talk page before going ahead with such a massive overhaul of the article. Some information you added could be salvaged, but your piece is so poorly written that it simply isn't up to Wikipedia standards. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 13:47, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

iGENEA
I fell in the trap to have a look at this site, just for the reason that Skopjeans recently tend to refer to that as evidence of their Ancient Macedonian origin. To my surprise, their Y-haplogroups sum up to 110%! No other ethnic group has more than 100% gens. They are not only descendants of the Ancient Macedonians... they are super-humans! Και μη χειρότερα... --Hectorian (talk) 13:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hectorian, please don't take out your inferiority complex over your sub-Saharan/Christian Turk/Germano-Illyro-Slavo-Phœnician gene pool on the direct lineal and crucially non-Slavic descendants of the glorious ancient Macedonians. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 14:02, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Hahaha! Well, ή σουπερ-άνθρωποι ή ακριβώς το αντίθετο!!--Michael X the White (talk) 13:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Isn't it amazing that having made such an amazing breakthrough in genealogy by connecting ancient and modern populations, Miss Inma Pazos has not even one single mention in Google Scholar? Her Google hits are mainly her Facebook page and Macedonian related forums (both Slavic and Greek, where this issue was discussed).--Avg (talk) 14:11, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe that's because Google Scholar is for Scholars... --Hectorian (talk) 15:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That extra 10% is undoubtedly the missing link. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 14:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Or perhaps it is the sign of further Evolution... --Michael X the White (talk) 15:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Maps
Δυο πολυ ομορφοι εθνογραφικοι χαρτες της βαλκανικης και, οι οποιοι βρισκονται στο Μουσειο Μακεδονικου Αγωνα. Χμμμ...Υπαρχουν ομως, ηδη... Kάπνισμα 17:42, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Μια χαρά είναι. Γιατί δεν τους ανεβάζεις; Αν υπάρχουν ήδη όπως λες δεν τους έχω δει πάντως. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 22:39, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Civility
Hello. This edit summary was not constructive. Please observe WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA at all times. Thank you. Hús ö  nd  11:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It was a direct response to this. Cheers. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 11:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Γεια σου
Πρέπει να σου μιλήσω για κάτι. Στο wiki μου, χρειάζομαι βοήθεια για κάτι. Μπορείς να μου απαντήσεις εκεί? Το ονομά μου είναι Nicmavr. Βρες με εδώ: http://el.halo.wikia.com/wiki/%CE%A3%CF%85%CE%B6%CE%AE%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%B7_%CF%87%CF%81%CE%AE%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7:Nicmavr

Thank you. 91.184.202.132 (talk) 15:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Χτύπα μου ένα ηλεκτρονικό ταχυδρομείο καλύτερα. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 17:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

political refuges of Greece
Since you contributed to the article about “political refuges of Greece” have a look at the talk page! I also re-written the opening paragraph and I have serious concerns about the sources that were used! Have a look! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Political_refugees_of_the_Greek_Civil_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_refugees_of_the_Greek_Civil_War Seleukosa (talk) 21:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * kekrops i am not picking a side as to whether the deca begalci or paidomazoma. In the introduction i was aiming to mention three major terms "egzodus na (etnickite) makedoncite od grcija", "deca(ta) begalci" and "paidamozoma". That is why they were all put into second paragraph in the intro. I hope that you do not object to that, as they are all terms which are intertwined with the tragic story of the civil war. PMK1 (talk) 08:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Still, they don't need to be in the lead. The controversy over the intricacies of the different terminology can be discussed further down. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 08:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What are you suggesting under a sub-heading "Terminology"? PMK1 (talk) 08:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No need. The terms are introduced under the Children section. No need to bold them, either. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 08:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually there is "Boldface is used to separate the article name from ordinary text. It is typically used in the first paragraph of an article, used with proper names and common terms for the article topic", they are all common terms. Anyway what is your objection with introducing them at the introduction? PMK1 (talk) 09:04, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Why did you remove the source, where it said 60% and then replaced it with your 40%? PMK1 (talk) 08:10, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

What "claim" were you referring to? I didn't make any claims. Köbra | Könverse 11:58, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Your opinion
I have proposed to move the page of Albanian communities in Greece to Albanians in Greece. Please give your coment hereBalkanian`s word (talk) 11:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Culling red links
Is there any reason that you are cutting the red-links for the poltical refugees? They are all prominent refugees of the conflict. Or is it the fact that you wouldnt want readers to see the many non-Greek sounding names amongst the list, from a purely Greek conflict. Also the foreign-language toponyms are not as foreign as you think, in that neck of the woods. PMK1 (talk) 06:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * How exactly are they prominent if they don't even have an article about them? · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 07:37, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That depends on what you consider prominent. Plus many have article about them on macedonian and bulgarian wikipedias. PMK1 (talk) 00:21, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * One question? Why is it beyond you and other fellow users to call the "local Slavic" dialect in the Kastoria/Edessa/Florina region, the "Macedonian language" or even the "Slav Macedonian language"? Why must you keep reverting to "local Slavic"? PMK1 (talk) 10:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Because it could legitimately be called Bulgarian, or neither in the case of the Greek-identifying Slavophones. Local Slavic has been accepted as a compromise since before you graced us with your presence here. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 11:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ΚΕΚΡΩΨ is right, you may see things clear in the RoM where the ethnic processes further evolved with official stamps for so many years, "creating" a discrete reality. But in the Greek part we equally "play" with all the elements that lead to your ethnogenesis until it got a state roof, it should be reflected in the denotion of alternative names. In a moderate (Greek) view you are a product of the great ethnic mix in Macedonia. That includes whatever Slavic speaking element can be considered native, having a wide spectrum of (often changing) ethnic and linguistic identities and people that were added to the mix "later" (if we can find a common start other than the first settlements). So the result was: ethnic Macedonians, bilingual Greeks, Bulgarians and to a much lesser degree (in fact today close to zero) Serbians speaking local dialects, often and until today close relatives adopting different identities, which you now are trying by definition to exclude, you see state nationalism was not the only reason Slavophone Greeks are just that today. It's an amateur description but you get the picture. The fact that the local dialect now is considered a Slavic Macedonian one does not connect the Slavic name any more to standard Macedonian Slavic than to standard Bulgarian or the local Slavic idiom, which is what the Slavophones regard it of belonging to, and the most generic and neutral term as well. --Zakronian (talk) 23:16, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see how the Slavic spoken here, for example, couldn't just as easily be classified as Bulgarian, if not more so. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 02:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You are correct about Ano Vrontou, that was a rash decision. Yes, but a language does not identify a its speakers as "x-ians" but rather "x-ian speakiers". The fact that some the Macedonian language speakers identify as Aegean Macedonians and some a "bilingual" or "Slavophone" greeks. It is a fact that the language spoken in Western and Central Greek Macedonia is apart of the Macedonian Diasystem and apart of the Macedonian language. This is a linguistic fact. I am talking about the language in Western and Central Greek Macedonia. If the Macedonian speakers wish to identify as greece then that is their choice. It is though inappropriate and linguistically incorrect to use the label "local Slavic" when the language is clearly known as Macedonian. I would have an appropriate suggestion in the form of "Macedonian Slavic". Because Local slavic should be refering to pages such as this, this etc. Local Slavic is not a linguistic term used to refer to the local slavic language spoken in the area. And, no it cannot legitimately be called Bulgarian as linguistically they are two different languages. This is another linguistic fact, what is the opinion on the suggestion for "Macedonian Slavic"? PMK1 (talk) 08:05, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Rash decision? I don't think so. We both know that "Macedonian" nationalists lay exclusive claim to Macedonia's Slavic-speaking heritage. Central Macedonia isn't so clear-cut, either. And since when has there been a "Macedonian" diasystem? As far as I know, there is an East South Slavic dialect continuum that includes all varieties under discussion. Regardless, I disagree with your claim on the "bilingual" Slavophone Greeks (everyone in Greece is bilingual, by the way, even Voskopoulos and the Rainbow Party). You say their language is "clearly known as Macedonian". Not by them, it isn't. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 08:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Anyway since when were you able to speak on behalf of another group of people and tell me what they know and think? My point is that the language spoken in Florina and Kostur is clearly the same language spoken across the border which is known by the whole world as the Macedonian one. Why is this linguistic piece of evidence so difficult to accept, even if the "locals" indentify themselves as greeks? They still speak a language linguistically known as Macedonian. We are talking about linguistics not ethno-nationalism. PMK1 (talk) 08:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * For example your reversion here is what some people would call NPOV, congratulations. PMK1 (talk) 10:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, whatever. Anywho, could you please refrain from polluting my talk page with your petty grievances? Keep them on the relevant article talk pages. Cheers. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 11:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Petty greveinces? Apparently it was your side who was grieving, hence this. PMK1 (talk) 06:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You really don't get it, do you? Bugger off! · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 06:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Point taken, lol PMK1 (talk) 09:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Slavic dialects of Greece
An article that you have been involved in editing, Slavic dialects of Greece, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Slavic dialects of Greece. Thank you. PMK1 (talk) 08:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You are insistent on removing Kunovska and Ajanovski. Kunovska is a leading jursit, founding member of the Macedonian Action Movement, and current member of the Assembly of the Republic of Macedonia. But on the Florina page you have a local priest who is apparently as notable if not more notable then her, can you see the hipocrisy? It is not these peoples lives but their ancestry which is not letting them get onto the page. That is very sad especially coming from you. PMK1 (talk) 23:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Fanoula doesnt not even have any google hits. How notable is she really? My grandmother probably has more hits than her. PMK1 (talk) 00:40, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Was your grandmother a professor at the University of Belgrade for over 30 years? · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 03:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No, 40. you are quick at reverting but slow at answering questions. Will you answer my question or should i just proceed with what you disagree about? PMK1 (talk) 06:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

RfC at Macedonian cuisine (Greek)
Hi, There was an error in the RfC request. I had to re-post the request and reformat it, and as a result I have removed your comment. I would like you to know that I took your point to heart and changed the examples to cuisines from areas that have similar situations such as Cyprus and China. Please feel free to comment once the RfC is properly formalized.

--Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 09:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Cyprus passport
User Hexagon1 has again moved Cyprus to Asia in template Template:Passports. Earlier when I tried to move Cyprus back he called me a vandal and threatened me. I think Cyprus should be listed under Europe. --Avala (talk) 16:21, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I wholeheartedly agree. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 20:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well he did it again with very obscure explanation.--Avala (talk) 13:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Piping ?

 * Do you mean create a redirect? already did PMK1 (talk) 14:09, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * So why aren't you using it? · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 14:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Tell me where, and i will change it, pronto. PMK1 (talk) 14:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You made the edits, you should know. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 14:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Your a lot of help. :) PMK1 (talk) 14:38, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Xmas! (in advance)
Hi Kekrops! I just read your tongue-in-cheek comment as to vlachika surplanting Greek in Epirus. Well, the sad truth is that vlachika is on its way out as you well known (i.e. extinct). I'm not discussing here the reasons why this is happening. Anyway, there are more urgent matters occupying your mind in Greece right now.

OMG I've heard they tried today to burn the replacement too. I like the photo though. Ola kala, dhen ine; Merry Xmas! Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 21:42, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Let it burn. I hate Christmas. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 02:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Genetics
I see that, despite your skepticism of genetics, you had a look at the Neolithic Europe section. I hope you found it interesting Hxseek (talk) 00:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Macedonia naming dispute
Hi. You are older than me here and I need your lights. As you saw, BF is deleting my post, which, honestly, I forgot to source it on the first place but I did after. I've read Talk page guidelines and I think I still can post it. Is BF right to keep deleting it claiming copyright, or not? The Cat and the Owl (talk) 08:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I personally think it's far too long and clutters the page. Perhaps you could make it a subpage, or move it to your own talk page? · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 08:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I was thinking to do that. I can do it, right? The Cat and the Owl (talk) 11:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 12:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Template:Ethnic groups in the United Kingdom
Hi. An IP user has moved Cyprus to Asia in the Template:Ethnic groups in the United Kingdom. see here. I think Cyprus should be listed under Europe like other Council of Europe and European Union members. Good editing! -- Turkish Flame   ☎  16:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

florina name
You are right, see my comment on Talk:Florina. However, I restored the link to the name section as it's suggested by WP:NCGN as part of the solution. --Enric Naval (talk) 21:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I am sorry if you have had to change some of the Macedonian Slavic pipelinks due to some of my reverts. Where i see it i will change it. Happy New Year. PMK1 (talk) 23:01, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Physical Planning
Can you please your changing of Minister for the Environment, Physical Planning and Public Works (Greece) to Minister for the Environment, Spatial Planning and Public Works (Greece). If you check the ministry's website, you'll see that it uses physical planning. We need to respect that.--Damac (talk) 16:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I changed it in line with our own article. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 16:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, that's not policy.
 * This is an institution, a proper noun, and it's name is Ministry of the Environment, Physical Planning and Public Works. That's what all English-language Greek newspapers refer to it. Thats its official name. If it's not changed, I'll apply to have it moved back to its original location.--Damac (talk) 16:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Share and share alike
This explains a lot.--Xenovatis (talk) 18:31, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * LOL@Makedonoidi. Just as well I'm an atheist, thank God. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 18:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I knew it had all to do with the broken link.Ok, of they go to the land of Chanaan --Michael X the White (talk) 19:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually it would appear to be yet another appropriation from Greek culture. If you read some of the sources posted in Talk:Greeks/Sources Greeks in particular the Smith citations you will note that the belief in ethnic election, in being God's Chosen People was central to the survival of the Jewish, Armenian and Greek ethnic groups through the millenia.


 * "In each case, the concept of chosenness played a central role. For Greeks and Armenians, the myth of ethnic election was both direct and transmitted. It was an act of God who had singled out a special community of His faithful to live according to His holy laws and receive His special blessings, the blessings being conditional on the holding of correct beliefs and the performance of sacred obligations. As with the Jews, the overriding purpose was to become a holy people beloved of God, a people of priests worthy of the status and location which God had bestowed on the community. But, unlike the Jews, Armenians and Greeks saw their election as a reward for receiving the true faith rejected by the Jews. The)’ were therefore required to supplant the Jews as the chosen people, and become the heirs of a people who had fallen from grace. In this sense, the chosen status of Greeks and Armenians was a legacy from the Jewish people, and only much later did the Orthodox community of true believers become imbued with Greek culture and a sense of Greek-speaking community, and to the outside world Orthodoxy became synonymous with Greek culture and origins." --Xenovatis (talk) 09:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The only difference is the majority of us don't actually believe that we're God's chosen people...  Balkan Fever  09:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't you? "Makedonska Radiotelevizija" seems to think otherwise. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 10:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That's just one of several reasons why there will still be a Hellenism in a hundred years time when Macedonism will be a footnote in history books. Besides how could you? You first found out about Him from Greeks in Greek. The NT was written in Greek and taught to the Slavs by the Greeks Cyril and Methodius. Anyway let's stay focused on Makedonoidi in FYROM's state television.--Xenovatis (talk) 10:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * No, silly. The NT was written in the Koine, which wasn't even Greek because it had a different name so how could it be? Greek didn't exist before it was invented by the European powers in 1821 anyway. And Modern "Greeks"/Christian Turks (or Albanians, or Vlachs, or Slavs, or Gypsies, or Ethiopians, take your pick) don't speak Greek at all, they speak Koine. After being forced to do so by a Bavarian prince. · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 10:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right, my bad. It's this cold weather here in the Balkans that disorients me. Not at all like the fair and clement weather we had in Mother Ethiopia.--Xenovatis (talk) 10:51, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Incredible.... Kάπνισμα 18:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But I really wonder....What about SpongeBob SquarePants? Is he also, a Makedonoidi? Kάπνισμα 09:15, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If they ever hear about him over at Makedonska Radiotelevizija rest assured they will label him Greek.--Xenovatis (talk) 10:42, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * More fun stuff.--Xenovatis (talk) 18:02, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * we kill the juice... ROTFL.Sadbuttrue92 (talk) 14:19, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * first Alexander III and Phillip II then God perhaps they might be interested in also claiming Santa Claus or Spongebob and what about Genghis Khan or is he Mongoloidi....Sadbuttrue92 (talk) 14:24, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Cyprus is in Asia...
...says Hexagon1 in passport template again. I told him to see the Template:Europe topic which clearly lists Cyprus among European countries. He reverted all my edits on that template, most of which had nothing to do with this issue but adding consistency to the template regarding Abkhazia, Kosovo and Taiwan (Abkhazia was listed as a definitely fake country that is "internationally recognised as part of Georgia" while for Kosovo we had information on the exact number of countries that recognised it so I tried to make it more consistent). I will never understand why are some people around here with sole reason to vandalise and why are they so persistent?--Avala (talk) 11:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Your input is necessary again because this user now claims to have some kind of consensus, while completely ignoring what you, me and other users wrote.--Avala (talk) 12:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

A proposal
Please can you see the proposal I have made in Talk:Chameria page.Balkanian`s word (talk) 15:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello
I' ve seen you have contributed to this article in the past, I would appreciate it if you could please review the recent changes and assist in "wikifying" or expanding it? Thanks--Sadbuttrue92 (talk) 17:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Greek Orphans
FYROM nationalists currently claim their communist grandparents were "victims". Life Maganize has images of the true victims of these communists.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=a119ad382e0ad8 10&q=greek%20refugees%20%20civil%20war&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgr eek%2Brefugees%2B%2Bcivil%2Bwar%26imgsz%3Dxxlarge%26as_st%3D y%26hl%3Den%26um%3D1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.161.231.224 (talk) 01:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Another link

http://www.vuvox.com/collage/detail/0fd10f624 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.161.231.224 (talk) 02:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, please take a look.Balkanian`s word (talk) 15:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement notification
Because your move proposal has clearly been made in bad faith as an attempt to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point and game the system, both of which were specifically forbidden by the Arbitration Commiteee in relation to Macedonia-related articles (see WP:ARBMAC), I have recommended that you be topic-banned from Macedonia-related articles. Please direct discussion to Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement. -- ChrisO (talk) 09:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Warning and request to cease and desist
Please stop accusing people of racism and anti-Greekness. If you have proof for that type of behavior please address the admins, otherwise just stop (otherwise it will be my turn to ask the admins to take a look into the matter, per WP:NPA). Thanks. man with one red shoe 17:37, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I was searching your contributions but I didn't find your warning to Fut.Perf. and ChrisO who group Greeks as obsessed trolls. Probably a Wikipedia database bug. Do you mind posting the diff of your cease and desist request?--Avg (talk) 18:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

απλά Γαμάς
ηθελα να στο πω... keep it up και μη χανεις τη ψυχραιμια σου. --CuteHappyBrute (talk) 00:20, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

to be defined
May be of use to the Macedonia name dispute article.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/6201/2/ http://publications.europa.eu/code/en/en-000300arym-5-2-2009.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.161.241.159 (talk) 17:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

The WikiProject Greece April 2009 newsletter
The April 2009 issue of the WikiProject Greece newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.--Yannismarou (talk) 02:18, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Ancient Macedonian Language
Please take a look at this. The article has been degenerating ever since Future Perfect of Sunrise deleted the infobox, and consequently the ISO-codes due to his POV pushing.

Cheers--Gkeorgke (talk) 02:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Notification
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Arbitration/Requests/Case and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.

Thanks,--Yannismarou (talk) 03:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, ——  nix eagle email me 03:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2
This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above.
 * All editors on Macedonia-related articles are directed to get the advice of neutral parties via means such as outside opinions and Geopolitical ethnic and religious conflicts noticeboard (WP:ECCN), especially since there are significant problems in reaching consensus.
 * All articles related to Macedonia (defined as any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to Macedonia, Macedonia nationalism, Greece related articles that mention Macedonia, and other articles in which how Macedonia will be referred to is an issue) fall under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned. Editors enforcing a case where a binding Stalemate resolution has been found are exempt from 1RR.
 * The following users have been banned from Wikipedia : one year, one year, and six months.
 * The following users have been topic-banned from Macedonia-related articles and their talk pages, as defined in All related articles under 1RR: indefinitely, indefinitely, one year and, one year.
 * The Committee takes note that has resigned his administrator status while this case was pending, but also notes that he is desysopped as a result of the above case. ChrisO may obtain the tools back via the usual means or by request to the Arbitration Committee.
 * is strongly admonished for displaying a long pattern of incivil, rude, offensive, and insulting behavior towards other editors and failure to address the community's concerns in this regard. Because of this Future Perfect at Sunrise is subject to an editing restriction for one year, and is desysopped for three months as a consequence of poor user conduct and misuse of administrative tools. After three months, his administrator access will be automatically restored.
 * Single-purpose accounts are strongly advised to edit in accordance with WP:SPA and other Wikipedia policies. Diversifying one's topics of interest is also encouraged.
 * Abuse filter 119, as currently configured, logs all changes involving the word "Macedonia" but does not block any edits. The community is strongly advised to consider adding a new abuse filter criterion; any instances of changing the word "Macedonia" to "FYROM" (the five-letter acronym, not the full phrase) shall be prevented.
 * Within seven days of the closure of this case, a discussion is to be opened to consider the preferred current and historical names for the four entities known as Macedonia. The discussion will end one month after it is opened.


 * On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Tiptoety  talk 21:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Discuss this

Cyprus GA
As someone who's worked on the Cyprus articles, you might be interested in following the GA recommendations at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cyprus/GA1. Best, Vizjim (talk) 08:50, 25 October 2009 (UTC)