User talk:Σ/Archive/2014/March

summary.py doesn't find all edits
Hi, with [//tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/summary.py?name=Redrose64&search=split+content&server=enwiki&ns=%2C%2C&nosect=on this query] I was looking for a particular WP:SPLIT that I carried out in 2012. It found it; but only one half. The edit that was found was, but it didn't list which was made just seconds earlier, and is the "other" half of the same split. Both edit summaries contain the string "split content", which is what I was looking for. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:53, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * It appears that the tool does not find edits that created new pages. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 00:00, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I've fixed it. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 22:07, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * So, the increase in page size from zero bytes is NaN. An abstract quantity. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:42, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Admittedly not the most beautiful solution, but it would be trivial to make it follow the style used by MediaWiki, here. Which I will implement immediately. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 22:55, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Bot is adding wrong template
...here, even though the correct template was already in place. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 14:08, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * This should be fixed. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 00:00, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2014 February newsletter
And so ends the most competitive first round we have ever seen, with 38 points required to qualify for round 2. Last year, 19 points secured a place; before that, 11 (2012) or 8 (2011) were enough. This is both a blessing and a curse. While it shows the vigourous good health of the competition, it also means that we have already lost many worthy competitors. Our top three scorers were:


 * , a WikiCup newcomer whose high-quality scans of rare banknotes represent an unusual, interesting and valuable contribution to Wikipedia. Most of Godot's points this round have come from a large set of pictures used in Treasury Note (1890–91).
 * , a WikiCup veteran and a finalist last year, Adam is also a featured picture specialist, focusing on the restoration of historical images. This month's promotions have included a carefully restored set of artist William Russell Flint's work.
 * , another WikiCup newcomer. WikiRedactor has claimed points for good article reviews and good articles relating to pop music, many of which were awarded bonus points. Articles include Sky Ferreira, Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus and "Wrecking Ball" (Miley Cyrus song).

Other competitors of note include:


 * , who helped take Thirty Flights of Loving through good article candidates and featured article candidates, claiming the first first featured article of the competition.
 * , who claimed the first featured list of the competition with Natalia Kills discography.
 * , who takes the title of the contributor awarded the highest bonus point multiplier (resulting in the highest scoring article) of the competition so far. Her high-importance salamander, now a good article, scored 108 points.

After such a competitive first round, expect the second round to also be fiercely fought. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 1 but before the start of round 2 can be claimed in round 2, but please do not update your submission page until March (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points equally.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email), The ed17 (talk • email) and Miyagawa (talk • email) 00:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

&#963;bot glitch
Sum thing is wrong with the bot [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators'_noticeboard&diff=597869834&oldid=597869825]? NE Ent 22:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Six discussions were archived from that noticeboard page a mere three seconds earlier. I'm not a bot expert, but it appears the bot has a latency greater than three seconds between when it parses an article and when it saves changes. – voidxor (talk &#124; contrib) 22:30, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Considering the size of the noticeboards, I would agree that it met a race condition of a sort. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 22:55, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Missing line break?
Should Lowercase sigmabot be ending the pp-protected tag with a line break? Here is an where it did not. My concern is that human editors may mistakenly remove maintenance tags when removing the pp-protected tag. – voidxor (talk &#124; contrib) 22:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Human editors should pay closer attention to which templates they're removing. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 23:32, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that response really satisfies me. Why not add a line break after the double close curly brace in the bot's engine? It seems like a harmless change that would improve readability. – voidxor (talk &#124; contrib) 01:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * The lack of a line break, if I recall correctly, was a vestige from the days when the bot tagged templates. It has been done. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 02:39, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

editorinteract2.py 404 error
Hi, I'm getting a 404 error when trying to open https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract2.py. &mdash; rybec   23:19, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I have moved it to https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract.py . → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 23:32, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * That (https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract.py) was my entry point. When I fill in some usernames and click the submit button, my browser is redirected to https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract2.py and I get the error. &mdash; rybec   06:08, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Interesting. There appear to be more issues than just that, which I will investigate later. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 08:15, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for fixing it. &mdash; rybec   06:50, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Bot error
Hello. I'm seeing that the bot is adding lines to the article Avan Jogia with the edit summary of adding protection templates, but I think that there's an error somewhere. The edits can be seen in the history here. Please advise. Thanks.  KJ  click here  11:49, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I have deleted null blanks in the article. FYI:Bot in this case is . &mdash; Revicomplaint?  11:53, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I searched bot's contribs, and many articles have unneeded blanks. I have stopped the bot for now. &mdash; Revicomplaint?  12:22, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&user=&page=Pham+ngoc+lan&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_review_log=1&hide_thanks_log=1 never protected], but [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pham_ngoc_lan&action=history well....] / [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OverBlood&action=history protection expired] / [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=O._J._Simpson_murder_case&action=history expired 2], there are still a lot which is not fixed.... &mdash; Revicomplaint?  12:40, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * A related thread would be . Until I locate the source of this error,, the change will be reverted. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 23:44, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Lowercase Sigmabot III is editing logged out
Logged out edit from Lowercase Sigmabot III. Elizium23 (talk) 01:43, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * See AN for a relevant discussion. I must admit that I have no idea what is going on. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 02:16, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I've just disabled Lowercase sigmabot III, as it can't create new archive pages when it's logged out, and discussions appear to be getting lost. Feel free to restart it if I've got this wrong, or if the issues get fixed. Best — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 15:37, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * And I've re-enabled it, as 62288 indicates that this has now been fixed. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 22:03, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

lcΣB3: appears to still be down
It appears that lcΣB3 is still down. There are no edits showing in Special:Contributions/Lowercase sigmabot III since 2014-03-04. Obviously, based on the comments on this page, there were edits after the ones in the contribs. However, there do not appear to have been any since re-enabled the bot on 2014-03-06. &mdash; Makyen (talk) 12:36, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

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Lowercase sigmabot III is ignoring me
Hi, I had the bot enabled for over a week ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vzaak&diff=596632172&oldid=596541300] to [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vzaak&diff=598017300&oldid=597911818]) and never received a visit. Curiously, ClueBot has also been ignoring me. Does the presence of "" or clear or something prevent archiving? Another possible source of bot confusion is the redirect from User:Vzaak to User talk:Vzaak. Troubleshooting this problem will be a lengthy process, so I'm hoping you will spot something. Best, vzaak 14:39, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * In the first case, the first thing that I noticed was that you only had one thread on the page. You had set  which does not have a minthreadsleft parameter; in the absence of that,  will ignore the page until there are six or more threads; it will then archive off sufficient to leave five behind. If you want it to completely clear off all threads, you need to set 0. I'm not familiar with ClueBot III's parameters but I expect that it has similar rules. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:08, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


 * , that looks like the fix, thank you very much. I saw the documentation, but I somehow lost the distinction between minthreadstoarchive and minthreadsleft. Don't you hate it when people report a problem without reading the documentation carefully? vzaak 15:54, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Debug hints for the bots
I sure wish User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo has some hints on how to debug the bot. Today I'm trying to see why it won't archive Talk:Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 but there have been other pages where it took a lot of work to figure out why archiving was not working.

For example, I'd want to know: --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 23:58, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * How often does lcΣB3 check a page?
 * Is there a flag that could tickle lcΣB3 into leaving some evidence that it checked a page and perhaps explaining why it did not archive anything when it visited?
 * lcΣB3 appears to have about 7 minutes after you posted this. &mdash; Makyen (talk) 02:43, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * That always seems to happen - you report an issue and the problem fixes itself! Thank you for looking into it Makyen. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 03:39, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Another : LCΣB3 starts working 0:00~1:00 UTC, according to Σ via IRC in January. &mdash;   Revicomplaint?  07:41, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I reviewed Special:Contributions/Lowercase sigmabot III for the past seven days. It has normally been starting at 00:00 each day and has finished between 01:53 to 02:05 each day. There was a recent exception in that it failed to start 18 March 2014 00:00. Someone must have noticed and started it manually at 18 March 2014 23:35. As it was catching up on two days of work that run did not complete until 19 March 2014 02:45. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 18:14, 19 March 2014 (UTC)


 * The bot generally starts at midnight UTC, however, the recent migrations as seen on User talk:Jeremyb did cause disruptions. I was preoccupied by other things and was unable to prepare for this. However, I think I've got it together now. Sorry for any significant delays. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 01:35, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Lowercase sigmabot using for less-than-full protection?
It seems that Lowercase sigmabot is putting on redirects that were fully protected but later had the protection lowered to semi. For example, see [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hanging,_drawing_and_quartering&diff=599810745&oldid=599807305 Hanging, drawing and quartering] and [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windows_3.1&diff=599810748&oldid=599807168 Windows 3.1]. Is this a mistake (specifically, a design limitation relating to the bot's lack of admin rights), or is there a good reason for it? (I noticed that is currently a redirect to ; perhaps that was not originally a separate template from )? --SoledadKabocha (talk) 00:28, 19 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I was not aware of this change. Thank you. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 01:35, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

"Articles created" link doesn't work
Hi Σ, please be notified that the Articles created link located at the bottom of the page User contributions doesn't seem to work but say "No webservice" instead. Thank you for taking the time to maintain the helpful tool. - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Synsepalum2013 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/ appears to be down meaning all of Σ's tools are down. Tool accounts for other users listed at https://tools.wmflabs.org/ seem to be working. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 18:22, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Your kindness is appreciated. Have a nice day. - Synsepalum2013 (talk) 19:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)


 * It should be working now. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 01:35, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Too many protection templates removed
In this edit, along with correctly removing the expired pp-vandalism template, Lowercase sigmabot also removed the pp-move-indef template, which still applied and should have been left. Do you know why this happened? Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:14, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I'll look into it soon. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 01:35, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Line breaks following placed tags
Hello there! Any chances, please, for revisiting the request (originally submitted by ) for placing line breaks after the pp-protected tags added by Lowercase sigmabot? Associated bot changes were implemented and reverted later, any insights about finding the source of caused regression? Just as an example, line breaks are.

Please advise. Thank you! &mdash; Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:37, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Superfluous line-breaks after bot removed pp-… templates
Hi there, I noticed that a bot had removed two templates here. Unfortunately it left the line-breaks there, and this resulted in two superfluous line-breaks appearing at the beginning of the article. Not a big problem, but still it would be nice if the maintainer(s) of the bot could look into this. Kindest regards, Tony Mach (talk) 10:13, 22 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Please have a look at the section above and linked talk threads, that deals with pretty much the same thing. &mdash; Dsimic (talk | contribs) 18:35, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

lcsb1 and line breaks
The issue appears to be deeper than just adding a new line or no. Thanks to real life, I have been unable to dedicate much time to this issue, but I will see what I can do on Friday. In the meantime, anyone who thinks they want to take a stab at it can check the bot's source. Again, sorry for the delayed responses to these bugs. → Σ σ  ς. (Sigma) 07:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * No worries, we all know what's it like to be busy. I wouldn't mind to have a look at the source code, might be able to help.  Any chances, please, on providing instructions how to reach the bot's source code? &mdash; Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:48, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


 * It can be found here, which is linked to on the bot's userpage. → Σ σ  ς . (Sigma) 01:29, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you, and sorry – I've missed that link in the bot's infobox. &mdash; Dsimic (talk | contribs) 01:37, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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Too many templates removed
Hi, see - only the edit protection had expired - the move prot is still in place (it's indefinite), so the  was removed in error. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:07, 30 March 2014 (UTC)