User talk:Ђорђе Д. Божовић/Archive 1

RfA
Hi. You may wish to consider answering the three standard questions. It's unlikely that your Request for Adminship will progress very far without any responses to them. Full instructions are at Requests_for_adminship/nominate. Jkelly 02:16, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Admin on Serbian wikipedia??
Are you an admin on Serbian wikipedia? --Rogerd 03:26, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am an Admin and a Bureaucrat on sr wiki. --Djordje D. Bozovic 13:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Your RFA
Hi! As you have been following your RFA, it was unsuccessful and I had to fail it. Use this RFA as a learning experience, and try again after a few weeks or so. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  05:10, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Alexander for Admin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Alexander_007 ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Alexander_007. I've nominated User:Alexander_007 as admin. Let's vote for him! -- Bonaparte  talk  &amp;  contribs  14:36, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


 * he said he will accept it! "I might accept just to show you that I was right."

You may vote now. -- Bonaparte  talk  &amp;  contribs  18:19, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:Симбол Института.JPG has been listed for deletion

 * --Romeo Bravo 01:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Тић поље.jpg
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Zlatiborian
Hi Djordje,

Unfortunately, I'm very busy nowadays, and while I would like very much to learn Zlatiborian, I simply don't have the time to spare.

I still hope to learn it eventually, though. --Node 05:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Node doesn't speak Serbian or any of its dialects. He just learns a few phrases, enough to fool people. He's just here to mess with people. He does the same thing with the so-called Moldovan language, by saying that it's a seperate language from Romanian, etc. --Anittas 22:15, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Mozes li pogledati sledece glasanje o clanku 'Kristalna noc u Zadru'. Clanak ce biti obrisan u protivnom, kao sto se uklanjaju i ostala svedocanstva o stradanju Srba - uprkos svim dokazima i linkovima. Hvala.

Nemanyya 05:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Article Improvement Belgrade
You may wish to vote for Belgrade at the Article Improvement Drive page, here. --estavisti 21:12, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Invitation
Hello! I invite you to join the WikiProject Serbia. All the best, --serbiana - talk  02:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for Choosing Belgrade
Posted by (^'-')^ Covington 07:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the the AID Maintenance Team

Djordje,
Izvini sto ti nisam ranije pisao, nisam posecivao en wiki. Moj mail je bormalagurski@hotmail.com, ako imas MSN, dodaj me, ili mi samo posalji mail, pa cemo tako razgovarati. Ovako nas siptari i ustashe prisluskuju :) --serbiana - talk  18:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Quenyan Wikipedia
Mára aurë!

Sorry for leaving you a message here; I tried on the incubator and ended up on the Serbian Wikipedia, and got a bit lost. I learned the Cyrillic alphabet, but unfortunately that doesn't help if you don't know the Serbian language...

I have to admit that I actually jumped out of my chair when I got your message that the Quenyan Wikipedia was finally getting started! I promptly informed all my fellow 'Quenyan' friends and am now re-taking a crash course to brush up on my year-old Quenya. I'm not sure how gramatically correct I will be, but I'll do my best to work on some articles.

Li hantale! --Editor at Large 15:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I am very grateful that you referred me to this too - may I ask how you knew I was interested in Quenya? I assume it was through my userbox. Anyway, I am very interested in Quenya, and I am trying to learn to speak more than the few phrases I know. Again, many thanks! Emmanovi 19:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Is Gundulic also Serbian?
Hi,

Is Gundulic Serbian?

--Ante Perkovic 16:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Moved from User talk:Ante Perkovic:
 * The ethnic question of the Ragusan population is very obscure. They are claimed both Serbian and Croatian. --Djordje D. Bozovic 21:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm aware of the facts that Serbs claim everyone in the region to be Serbs. But, of course, the reality is somewhat different. You know that too, otherwise you would allready list Gundulić as a Serb, not as someone who wrote about Serbian history. Right? --Ante Perkovic 21:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Answers. --Ante Perkovic 22:15, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Boscovich
Please, it should be intresting to know the Serbian point of view about Boscovich. I hope you will write some lines. My opinion, anyway, it that is idiot to apply present nationalist criteria, to the past. Bye.--Giovanni Giove 21:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Serbians in Herzegovina?.... Maybe they were Bantu';-)....... I wait for your lines.... bye.--Giovanni Giove 22:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I was joking.... stupid!;-).... read all the discussion! I think it is not possible to apply modern nationalties, to the past, in particular in an region that was a mix of langauges and cultures. Ad Boskovic's father was from Herzegovina, we can say he was South Slavic, but we can not say if he was Serbian or Croatian. Such divions were meaningless in that time! --Giovanni Giove 22:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You don't need to ask sorry. Anyway, I will be glad to read your intersting point of view in the proper articles. I hope so... bye.--Giovanni Giove 22:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Rudjer Boskovic is only half Croatian and half Italian...he has no Serbian origin at all. ...people often make mistakes on origin of famous people

bit like when people say Tesla is Croatian..yet we all know he was Serb.....works both ways



Vuk
Croats and Serbs came to Balkans at same time ...side by side. The Bosnians are ethnic Croats...Montenegrins ethnic Serbs... Are the Serbs and Croats the same people is the big question...????? Maybe they were one tribe before....who knows/// I agree with Vuk re religion ...Serbs took up Orthodox while Croats took up Catholic, Bosnians took up Islam............Are they all Serbs ???mmmm ....I guess Vuk would prefer Serb version as he is Serb hahha I think its possible the Croats and Serbs if different have mixed together over time of settlement that nobody is pure one or the other. We all have Petkovic Markovic etc...all Slav

What do you think?? Javi se bre Jagoda 1 04:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, Ђорђе Д. Божовиђ. I have seen you on other Wikipedias trying to raise support for a "Zlatiborian" Wikipedia. I couldn't find any information on your langauge on the English Wikipedia, so I don't know if it even exists. Where can I get information?--Fox Mccloud 15:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. Although I still don't understand why Wikipedia doesn't have a page on it.--Fox Mccloud 17:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

What???? They deleted an article on a whole language because of "POV"? They can just edit it to tell both sides of the debate if it isn't NPOV. It's no reason to delete a whole article.--Fox Mccloud 19:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Test Wikipedia in Quenya
I have started a test Wikipedia in Quenya:. Now let's make an encyclopaedia! ;) --Djordje D. Bozovic 22:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note, George. :) I've checked out the main page... it looks great so far! To tell you the truth, my Quenya's a bit rusty, but I'm more than willing to give it a go. Namárië, Firsfron of Ronchester  22:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Right. Well, I've made my first test... (don't laugh at the pathetic quality of this article; I'll try to expand it in the next few days). Congrats on a successful start! :) -- Firsfron of Ronchester  23:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've got a translation of an article on the stars and elvish constellations written in Quenya, which I have put away somewhere at home. I think it would make a quite nice addition, and always planned to add it, if a Quenya Wikipedia ever became a reality. I expect to add it in the next few days. :) -- Firsfron of Ronchester 23:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Isn't there some way to make Quenya in the Elvish script and not just Romanized?--Fox Mccloud 20:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a couple of ways we could do it, I guess: either using one of the fonts (but people would have to have the font installed to see it), or using an image template. What do you think?-- Firsfron of Ronchester 20:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)ç

Sorry I couldn't answer you before... I have supported the proyect; it is a great idea. I hope there will be a preliminar discussion on which spelling convention is going to be used! --Neigel von Teighen 22:28, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I say use the fonts. There would be a link to download the fonts, and an article in English (As well as any other languages you would want to include). I downloaded fonts to view Amharic and Malayalam Wikipedias, it was no big deal.--Fox Mccloud 01:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Using images could make the pages very difficult to load, especially for those users who use a dial-up connection. Using a Tengwar font is a little bit better choise. Several other Wikipedias use such "special" fonts. But Quenya Wikipedia could also be showed in both Tengwar and Roman alphabets, just like Serbian Wikipedia is showed in both Cyrillic and Latin. We just need a programme and a programmer to write it. --Djordje D. Bozovic 15:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Why do we need a programmer? Aren't there existing Quenya fonts we could use? Firsfron of Ronchester 19:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course, but I had something else on my mind. Never mind, fonts are fine as well. :) --Djordje D. Bozovic 17:45, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've tried to write Quenya in Tengwar: . Seems OK. You can see it if you've got Tengwar Annatar font installed on your computer. --Djordje D. Bozovic 18:04, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't, and to me it looks like this: tlD `C5#jF2Rj´R ½. Can you provide a link so I can download it onto this computer? I had it on my old computer, but I can't remember where I got it. Thanks! — E ditor at L arge ( talk ) 23:09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for asking you here, but I asked on the QW talk page and haven't yet gotten an answer. My Tolkien article is long enough to post now, but I still need a word for teach. I know you've made up a few words, so I thought maybe you could make one up for me? I'd much appreciate it! :-D — E ditor at L <font face="papyrus, georgia" color="darkred">arge <font size="2" face="papyrus, georgia" color="darkgoldenrod">( <span style="font-family:papyrus, georgia;color:black;">talk <font color="darkgoldenrod">) 20:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll do that.— <font face ="papyrus, georgia" color="#336600">E <font face="papyrus, georgia" color="darkred">ditor <font face="papyrus, georgia" color="black">at <font face="papyrus, georgia" color="darkgoldenrod">L <font face="papyrus, georgia" color="darkred">arge <font size="2" face="papyrus, georgia" color="darkgoldenrod">( <span style="font-family:papyrus, georgia;color:black;">talk <font color="darkgoldenrod">) 23:09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Transformation Day
Hey George,

My birthday is actually on Transformation Day. Well, I was born August 18, but in Zlatibor it was August 19. Hehe. strange coincidence. --Node 05:04, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

link to bosnia
Hello, when you want to link to the article about Bosnia, please do not link to Bosnia, as that is a disambiguation page (which nothing should be linked to). Instead link to the one of the options found on that page such as Bosnia (region) or Bosnia and Herzegovina by writing out Bosnia. Regards, Jeff3000 02:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Šablon
Pa plavi šablon je pravljen isključivo za 4 grada koja imaju status grada i koji su podeljeni na opštine, a to su Beogead, Novi Sad, Kragujevac i Niš. Videćeš da na plavom šablonu postoji rubrika "municipalities" (opštine), a ni jedan drugi grad u srbiji nije podeljen na opštine. Šablon jednostavno ne odgovara za druge opštine Srbije. PANONIAN  (talk)  17:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday
Just happened to notice that today is your birthday, so happy birthday! Angr 13:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Sretan rodjendan (sa zakasnjenjem)

Takodjer - Srbi u Lastovu? Zar nisi malo pobrkao? --PaxEquilibrium 14:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Macedonian translation
Hello, Gjorgje!

The Macedonian translation is: "Заедно сме појаки" (Zaedno sme pojaki). Best regards, Bomac 15:19, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I must correct the user that told you this. "Jaki" is not a proper Macedonian word. The word for it is "Silni". Thus, the translation would actually be "Заедно сме посилни" (Zaedno sme posilni). All best. --B. Jankuloski 12:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Aha, thank you. :) --Djordje D. Bozovic 22:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

End of Nato bombing in kosovo
Milosevic signaled the end of war on June 11th, but everywhere it says June 10th, whats correct date and why did macedonia secede? I spent few years in zagreb as a student.
 * Hello. I'm not quite sure what war are you asking about - the Yugoslav wars of early 1990s, or the NATO bombarding of Serbia and Montenegro in 1999? And you know, it was not only Kosovo bombed, but entire Serbia and Montenegro. I can remember that it lasted for about 70 or 80 days, and it occurred in May, June and July, but I can't remember the exact date. If you could only know how terrifying it was! And NATO broke its own rules when bombarding Serbia and Montenegro, as it was founded as an organization for defence only (and it was certainly not attacked by Milosevic, but it was the other way around). Many people were even killed. However, despite the people being killed and the country being destroyed, Serbia and Montenegro was the winner after all. We crashed down American invisible plane. :) And believe me, if NATO only came to fight Serbia on ground, and not just from the air, it would be one of its biggest and greatest failures. Just like America failed in Vietnam. --Djordje D. Bozovic 16:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Macedonia seceded from SFR Yugoslavia much earlier, in 1990, but in peace, without an armed conflict, unlike Slovenia, Croatia, and Bosnia-Herzegovina. It was simply an arrangement of Serbia and Montenegro (which stayed in a federation until 2006) and Macedonia. --Djordje D. Bozovic 16:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Non-latin usernames
There has been a great deal of discussion about non-latin usernames at en.WP. Some background is at Wikipedia talk:Username and LSS/foundation-l-archives/2006 12 17-23 (point #7). I am a proponent of allowing these characters in usernames, especially when they belong to people with matching accounts in other Wikimedia wikis. Currently it seems to stand that some people believe the wording at WP:USER never forbid non-latin usernames and this is supported by a significant number of active editors, such as yourself, with non-latin name who never were blocked. While on the other hand some admins have blocked a significant number of similar editors (in many cases before they make their first edit). These admins believe the blocks to have been supported by the username policy. These blocks appear to have stopped now, but none of the previously blocked accounts have been unblocked.

One editor in particular has been left in limbo. His original non-latin name was unblocked at en.WP so he could request a name change here. He also requested an identical name change for all his other Wikimedia accounts on meta. The en.WP namechange was processed while a steward declined his meta requests as being too much work. After the blocks stopped at en.WP he requested that his previous namechange be reversed, but a b'crat here declined to do so until the policy is more clear.

Here is the main problem, the current policy written at WP:USER is, I believe, agreeable to everyone. However some people read that policy and think it simply encourages people choosing a username to use latin character. Other people read the same thing and think that it means non-latin characters are forbidden from usernames at en.WP. I think the next step to clarifing this is to run a name through WP:RFC/NAME. I earlier suggested that this kind of RfC would be a good idea before blocking any more of these names to several of the admins who have made non-latin username blocks. However the blocks simply stopped and there was never any such RfC. I thought to suggest m:User:っ run an RfC with his name change request, but his english is only en-2 and I am afraid of this heated topic being made worse through misunderstandings. This brings me to why I am here. As a declared suppporter of non-latin user-name I believe that it would be best to start bringing the strongest cases forward to RFC and work through these to the weaker cases until we find where the line is drawn of the consesnus regarding non-latin usernames. You not only are an active contributer to en.WP with good english skills, but are also using a native font to declare your real name. This is the strongest case I can think of in regards to what people will support if they will support any non-latin names at all. Would you consider running you username through WP:RFC/NAME to help clarify where consensus is?

In order to fully disclose the situation to you, I feel I need to add the following. There are several compromise technical solutions which have been brought forward. One of them could involve restricting en.WP to latin usernames but linking these names to accounts on other wiki's in other fonts. Also I think that other people beleive this decision will be forced out on en.WP's hand when unified login goes live sometime in the near future. I personally think it would be best to go forward with RfC's and clarify where consensus at en.WP is rather than wait on either of those two points, but I do understand that reasonable people could disagree. Thank you for taking the time to consider my suggestion.--<font color="#f4a460 ">Birgitte§β ʈ  <font color="#778899">Talk  21:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

wikiproject
As a member of WikiProject Serbia, you should be aware that the project as well as Portal:Serbia is being considered for deletion. If you have the time, please comment on what you feel should be done with the project and the portal. Thank you. // Laughing Man 01:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

You might want to take a look at this: Articles for deletion/Srbosjek

You might want to take a look at this: Articles for deletion/Srbosjek

Recensions
I can't find the info about the "recensions" (Croatian, Macedonian, Serbian and the Bosnian sub-recension) that was on either South Slavic languages or Serbo-Croat. It appears to have been deleted. --PaxEquilibrium 01:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Nm. Found at Old Church Slavonic. --PaxEquilibrium 01:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

NM. Found at Old Church Slavonic.


 * Isn't it shocking that (regarding medieval Old Slavonic in Bosnia) Croatia claims the written language, alphabet (Bosancica) and Serbia the spoken language (dialect)? You're a linguist. Could you elaborate? --PaxEquilibrium 01:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Montenegrin Language
George, just to thank you for your contribution to the article. I wasn't particularly pedantic in adding new words and Literature knowing you will promptly react anyway :-) The corrections are good as usual. I am open to discussion and always eager to learn a thing or two. Cheers, Momisan 11:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Re: The Death of Smail-aga Čengić. Djordje, I am not claiming this work belongs to the Montenegrin literature, that is not the topic of the article, I am claiming it is written in the Montenegrin vernacular, i.e Zeta dialect. I hope we are in agreement on this. Regards, Momisan 03:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Ијекавски
Сјећам се једног поста када си расправљао са Мир Харвен-ом. Говорио си да су Хрвати донијели икавицу а Срби ијекавицу - можеш ли појаснити што си мислио?

Поздрав. --PaxEquilibrium 00:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Nedićeva Srbija
Ne slažem se sa izmenama na toj karti - ideja mape je bila da prikaže mapu Nedićeve Srbije u Hitlerovom novom poretku, a Užička Republika samim tim ne spada tu. Međutim, ubaciću tvoju mapu pod drugim imenom i ubaciti u članak o Užičkoj Republici jer se radi o dve sasvim različite stvari. PANONIAN  (talk)  13:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I još jedna važna stvar: Užička Republika nije bila deo Nedićeve Srbije, već teritorija koja se od Nedićeve Srbije privremeno ocepila, zato je pogrešno prikazivati Užičku Republiku kao deo Nedićeve Srbije, a pogrešno je i u članku o Nedićevoj Srbiji prikazivati Užičku Republiku, jer je taj prostor samo privremeno pripadao Užičkoj Republici, dok je veći deo rata pripadao Nedićevoj Srbiji. PANONIAN   (talk)  14:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Reverting Dialect to language name mapping in Montenegran
Source and explanation for revert? --Plantago 09:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC) In addition, it would be nice that you provide some online available reference for your data and distinguish between place of living, being that city, region or country/state, and speaking certain dialect. Serbs in Bosnia and Slavonia definitely do not in general speak ikavian, do they? Regards, --Plantago 10:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC) I don't want to discuss this issue in private anymore, I'm suggesting that we copy this issue to talk page and see what other other have to say. I hope you have nothing against that. Cheers, --Plantago 08:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, as you said on my talk page:"...it would be nice if you at first place provided some references yourself to support your claims. However, you can refer to Vuk Stefanović Karadžić, Simo Matavulj and other researchers as well as the former population censuses of these areas to make sure that there are - or at least, there were - speakers of these dialects who declared as Serbs.", I would like to draw your attention to the fact that I HAVE cited reference for the mentioned change (please see my changes you have reverted and you can see that I had reference to Shtokavian dialect wiki page - see [] and []). If you disagree with that, than that page should be changed accordingly.
 * Hi Đorđe, interesting remark, that WP is not good source for WP, why then we are writing at all!? I read mentioned citing rules, it applies to academic research, because WP is dynamic and unacceptable to many academic institutions.

Image:Hitler walking out of Brown House after 1930 elections.jpg
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Nikola Tesla
It was. User:Simoes removed two. I removed your addition, but restored the one placed in agreement with consensus. GlassFET 19:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, although now I think Simoes' way was better (look at the mess of geographical/historical territories in the first sentence of the 'Early years' section), with this phrase "present-day Croatia" put instead of Military Frontier in the first sentence. ;) But this way is fine too. --George D. Božović 20:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

AfD for Užican speech
Uz dužno poštovanje prema tvom liku i delu, kao i kraju iz kojeg dolaziš, nisam mogao a da ne nominujem Užican speech za brisanje. Duja ► 09:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Regions
Changed the name from Moravica to Rudnik. --Baks 19:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)