User talk:Алиса Селезньова/Archive 1

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1) It was a WP:HUGGLE error; I have removed the template and apologised. 2) I am an administrator, so please don't tell me how to use templates :-) Thanks though. Scarian  Call me Pat!  19:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Jovan Vraniskovski
Hi, thanks again for notifying us of the issues with that article. If you have a good reason it should be moved, feel free to do so, it's really easy. You're probably right, it should be either at his civil name or at his full clerical title; the current version may be an incorrect mixture. (Just use the "move" button at the top of the screen, don't just copy and paste the contents into a new article.) If you have any further questions, you can always ask me on my talk page. Thanks for your contributions -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello and thank you for the answer.--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 21:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I tried to move it but Zoran Vraniškovski already exist as a redirecting page and I can't do it. Can you, please, delete it and move Jovan Vraniskovski there or I have to go and ask for that to the administrators' noticeboard?--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 21:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Done, sorry I didn't notice earlier. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, thank you :)--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 07:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, Jovan is his civil name in all official documents, here are just a few examples Document from the Court of R. Macedonia, Document from the European Court of Human Rights, US State Dept. 2008 Human Rights Report on Macedonia. Referring to him as Zoran is not only incorrect, but has most often the sole purpose to discredit him. Please also correct the Bulgarian version. Thanks. Kpant (talk) 09:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well according to the official site of the Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric, his civil name is Zoran - here you can read he's been baptized with the name Zoran ("крстен е како православен христијанин со име Зоран"). I suppose in the documents they use his clerical title.--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 14:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The quotation you provide does not say his civil name is Zoran, but that he was baptized as Zoran when he was a child. When he was tonsured a monk and given a new name, he changed his name in all his documents. That is not anything unusual. So now, all his civil documents are with the name Jovan. You can see in the links that I provided how the state refers to him (at least you understand Macedonian Cyrillic). Kpant (talk) 15:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Now I understand where the misunderstanding is. You are right about the quotation I provide - it shows his clerical and his secular name, not his official. I answered at .--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 19:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Lihnida
The song is not just "consider newly composed in the Republic of Macedonia". It is universally considered newly composed because that's precisely what it is. Also, the song is not Bulgarian: it wasn't written or composed by a Bulgarian (ethnic or civic), it wasn't written or composed in Bulgarian (literary or dialectal), and it wasn't written or composed in Bulgaria. --WavesSaid (talk) 11:37, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It is very simple - there are at least two points of view. One popular in Bulgaria and one popular in Republic of Macedonia. If you want the article to be neutral, both of them should me equally mentioned. "Also, the song is not Bulgarian" - well, not according to the point of view popular in Bulgaria and by the way, not only in Bulgaria.--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 11:44, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've replied at that talk page. --WavesSaid (talk) 23:30, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

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Category:Macedonian language
Would you mind letting go of what you're trying to do at this category? The idea that the Macedonian language is a 'subcategory' of the Bulgarian language is only held by Bulgarians. This is not a mainstream view and, therefore, your edit is unhelpful and misleading. You have no solid reasoning for the addition. Your value to Macedonia-related articles is already small as it is. Regards. -- Local hero talk 22:52, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Haha my value? Well that's a good one. :-D And yes if two countries have an argument on something, both points of view should be reflected in the category.--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 23:38, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Nope, policy is to go with what is almost universally accepted in the academic world, not what a small, biased faction thinks, believe it or not. -- Local hero talk 00:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, it is always better to go for quality than quantity. :-) Nope, censoring the official position of a country and its academic sources is not the same as neglecting a "small, biased faction". Even if you do not like it.--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 00:11, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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