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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election half-way mark
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Talk:Mauricio Macri/GA2
Векочел, you opened your review over five weeks ago with the words Векочел, and haven't been back since. It seems likely that you forgot about it, hence this reminder.

Do you intend to begin reviewing this soon? If not, please let me know; I can arrange for the unused review page to be deleted and the nomination put back into the pool of unreviewed GANs with no loss in seniority. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:00, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * BlueMoonset, I will review this within the next week. Векочел (talk) 18:17, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks for the quick response. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:21, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It looks like the nominator has stopped editing Wikipedia. Векочел (talk) 02:30, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Векочел, you still need to complete the review somehow. You could make a request at the Argentina WikiProject to see whether anyone would be willing to address the issues you'd inevitably raise during the course of a review, since this is an article on the president of that country, and if no one volunteers, close it then. Or you could preemptively close it now since your one request has not yet been answered and the nominator retired over six weeks ago. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:09, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Akane Yamaguchi
Hello. I know you're busy, sorry to bother. Can you take the time to copy editing for this article? I really need your help. Thanks you very much. Xecvws (talk) 09:42, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

barnstar

 * Thank you Chetsford. Векочел (talk) 02:35, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations!

 * Welcome to the team! I'm glad to see you decided to run, and I'm looking forward to working with this coming year. TomStar81 (Talk) 07:20, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes TomStar81, I’m also looking forward to this year. I did not expect to be elected! Векочел (talk) 18:07, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Looking forward to work with you in the comming year. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 17:05, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it will be an interesting year CPA-5. Векочел (talk) 17:53, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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Please preview, consolidate, and summarize
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December 2019
- MrX 🖋 13:14, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Editing Donald Trump
Please observe the page restrictions on Donald Trump. Ignoring the big yellow box can result in you being blocked from editing or being topic banned. The restrictions say:

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 * You must not make more than one revert per 24 hours to this article.
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You violated both restrictions when you combined two different paragraphs into one. Please don't do this again or you will be reported. - MrX 🖋 13:29, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * My bad, but it’s Wikipedia policy to have no more than four paragraphs in the lede Векочел (talk) 05:14, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Four paragraphs in the lead is a style guideline. It is not meant to be strictly adhered to. In fact, WP:LEAD calls it a rule of thumb. Combining unrelated topics in a single paragraph is not very good writing, but if it were, combining the first two paragraphs of the lead would make more sense. - MrX 🖋 13:04, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Feliz Navidad!
Thank you very much TomStar81. I hope you’re also having a nice Christmas. Векочел (talk) 02:12, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Annexation of the Leeward Islands
Happy holidays. Thank you for the help with reviewing Teriitaria II. I especially appreciate your help with summarizing the article since I struggle with summaries a lot of times. My next project is Annexation of the Leeward Islands. Would you mind taking a look at it and helping me with the summary as well? Thanks. KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:52, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure, I’ll look at it shortly Векочел (talk) 23:27, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations from the Military History Project

 * Thank you Peacemaker67! Векочел (talk) 03:20, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

February 2020
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March Madness 2020
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Diana, Princess of Wales
Hi Векочел, you are invited to join a discussion regarding the lede sentence of the article Diana, Princess of Wales, on the talk page (here). Thank you, cookie monster  (2020)  755  03:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Diana, Princess of Wales again
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
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 * Thanks for nominating again, Векочел! Could you add answers to the two questions as well please? Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:22, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
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Discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 September 15 § Template:Use shortened footnotes
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 September 15 § Template:Use shortened footnotes. Peaceray (talk) 05:32, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

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Otto von Bismarck
We know that the picture is of Bismarck, since the article is called Otto von Bismarck, the lede sentence of the article says "Otto Eduard Leopold, Prince of Bismarck, Duke of Lauenburg (born von Bismarck-Schönhausen; Otto Eduard Leopold Fürst von Bismarck, Herzog zu Lauenburg; 1 April 1815 – 30 July 1898), known as Otto von Bismarck ...", and the infobox itself says Otto von Bismarck. There is no need to further identify him in the caption to the image. Please stop.

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Otto von Bismarck; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Discussion

 * You continue to change the title of the infobox without a WP:CONSENSUS to do so. I have restored the 16-year WP:STATUSQUO title, and started a consensus discussion on the talk page.  Do not change the title agaiin without a consensus to do so.  The discussion is at Talk:Otto von Bismarck. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:46, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

December 2020
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Nominations for the 2020 Military history WikiProject Newcomer and Historian of the Year awards now open
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Moves
How do you make decisions like "not needed" when moving the articles about the members of the Al Saud family? You put notice in some talk pages to call for moves arguing that most of these articles are without their surnames, Al Saud. But when I reviewed the past edits on these articles I have seen that you moved them in June 2020 deleting their surnames, Al Saud.

Please do not move these articles deleting the Al Saud part. If you read news or scientific articles or books on these people, their surnames are used there. In short, your moves will be reverted. In addition, instead of wasting your time to do what you want, you may consider to expand articles using reliable sources. --Egeymi (talk) 15:06, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , from what I can find actually, much of the time the surname is omitted. For instance, a quick search on Prince Muhammad bin Nayef turned up the following:
 * Mohammed bin Nayef threatened by social media campaign, say Saudi prince's lawyers
 * In the bitter struggle for Saudi rule, Prince Mohammed bin Salman has struck first
 * The dazzling rise and tragic fall of Saudi Arabia’s Mohammed bin Nayef
 * This reflects the general practice of leaving out royal surnames. We generally hear in the news descriptions of Queen Elizabeth II and not Elizabeth Windsor, Mohammed bin Salman (or MBS) and not Mohammed Al Saud, Sultan Qaboos of Oman and not Qaboos Al Said, etc. Also WP:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility) states Do not use surnames in article titles for such persons. If royals have surnames, then this information should be mentioned in the first line of the article (but care should be taken, as many do not have surnames, and personal surnames may differ from the name of their Royal House). Векочел (talk) 20:30, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Are you trying to have edit wars?
You argued that capitals should be used giving MOS:JOBTITLE, then read it carefully. Hope you will consider to expand the articles instead of doing such things.

Positions, offices, and occupational titles

Offices, titles, and positions such as president, king, emperor, grand duke, lord mayor, pope, bishop, abbot, prime minister, chief financial officer, and executive director are common nouns and therefore should be in lower case when used generically: Mitterrand was the French president or There were many presidents at the meeting. They are capitalized only in the following cases:

When followed by a person's name to form a title, i.e., when they can be considered to have become part of the name: President Nixon, not president Nixon When a title is used to refer to a specific person as a substitute for their name during their time in office, e.g., the Queen, not the queen (referring to Elizabeth II)

Therefore,

Muḥammad bin Nāyif bin ‘Abd al-‘Azīz Āl Su‘ūd; born 30 August 1959) was Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and first deputy prime minister from 2015 to 2017 and minister of interior from 2012 to 2017.

should be used given that no title follows the name like in the example, Mitterrand was the French president.

Hope you can get it. --Egeymi (talk) 12:09, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There is one additional case where the title is capitalized that you left off:
 * When a formal title for a specific entity (or conventional translation thereof) is addressed as a title or position in and of itself, is not plural, is not preceded by a modifier (including a definite or indefinite article), and is not a reworded description:


 * Crown prince is certainly a title, it is not plural, it is not preceded by a modifier (he is not called “a crown prince of Saudi Arabia”, and not a reworded description (we use the exact title) Векочел (talk) 18:26, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you do not want to read carefully or to understand. Your edits will be corrected. Egeymi (talk) 07:56, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Voting for "Military Historian of the Year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" closing
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Carabus biroi moved to draftspace
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Carabus aulacocnemus moved to draftspace
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Referencing
Please stop creating new articles without proper sourcing. I've moved a bunch of yours to draft so you can work on them there.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 15:48, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Don’t change please
Don’t change king of Saudi Arabia Salman. Al-Ghadouri (talk) 01:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

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Your page moves of Sultan bin Abdulaziz and Nayef bin Abdulaziz
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Names
Hi, the links you put refer to others, but the parameter reads names, hope I can tell my point --Egeymi (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , I thought it might be helpful to the reader to have links to their ancestors, at least for the grandfathers and for the lessser known royals the great grandfathers. Векочел (talk) 21:15, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Question
Hii, everyday you are inserting wls or others to the infoboxes. Honestly I wonder if you are planning to add content to the articles using reliable sources.

And are you considering to look at the past actions made on the articles before inserting such wls or parameters. --Egeymi (talk) 10:30, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * If I see anything good in the sources I have access to, I will add it. Now to answer your second question, the religion parameter has been kept with royalty. In the description under the infobox royalty template, there is a message that says while the religion parameter has been eliminated in other templates, it is kept in the royalty template because religion is often important to their rule. And it is in use in some articles. Векочел (talk) 14:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Edit summaries ...
Please use them. You've been here long enough and been asked often enough. Ealdgyth (talk) 12:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Edit summaries, again...
Hi Векочел, please start using edit summaries as a part of your work here. I just spent time providing a link to the talk-page of the editor who added the "Pharaoh" title to the infobox at Augustus, to justify your change. That should not have been necessary. Cheers, Haploidavey (talk) 07:52, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . As you say, I do need to use them and will start doing so. Thanks. Векочел (talk) 08:00, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I do hope so! You evidently know what you're doing, but the flaws in that Pharoah business won't be obvious to most. Regards Haploidavey (talk) 08:06, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, my apologies for the revert on the edit you made to the Madawi al-Rasheed page. I was distracted and didn't look at the changes you made carefully enough. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:56, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , its ok, don't worry about it Векочел (talk) 20:14, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

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Hellenistic royal epithets
Hope all is going well; I saw that you took all the royal epithets out of Ptolemy II. I admit that it's a very minor matter, but I thought I would say that I think it is better to keep them in. It's pretty standard in modern works to refer to the Hellenistic monarchs by them and useful because many works either refer to monarchs by epithets without ordinal numbers or (in the case of the Ptolemies) use different ordinals. Ancient works, of course, never use the ordinals. Furius (talk) 18:08, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , a lot of later Hellenistic monarchs, Egyptian and Seleucid are referenced without using the ordinals, of course including the famous Cleopatra. And also there is not always consistency in the names. For instance, Ptolemy VIII Physcon is also known as Ptolemy Euergetes, and that is also the name of his ancestor Ptolemy III! I am of the opinion that the numbering is the most reliable way to go about this. Векочел (talk) 03:04, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that's why it is good to use both. Either one on its own is less helpful. In the articles for English royals, lists of monarchs' issue usually includes titles, e.g Charles I of England. Furius (talk) 20:02, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The example you give uses princes and princesses, which is not exactly the same as kings and queens. And the title may be used on the article name but very little in the article itself. I would not expect to see "Prince Andrew, Duke of York", just Andrew. And to give another example Catherine the Great is not called by her title throughout the article, but rather simply Catherine. Векочел (talk) 03:31, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

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 * Thank you so much for your thoughtful barnstar. Векочел (talk) 04:46, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

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Sorry for reverting your Mohammad edit, in error
Force of habit. Dushan Jugum (talk) 20:18, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It is ok...thanks! Векочел (talk) 00:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for catching that! It's not the first dreadful goof... your care is much appreciated. Haploidavey (talk) 04:32, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Your welcome...I saw that it said Nero was son of the Elder, so I felt I had to fix that. Векочел (talk) 04:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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Can you explain what you are doing with your edits to Australian politicians three days ago? You seem to have started removing the honorific "The Honourable" for a number of former prime ministers (which was incorrect), and others like Bob Cotton with the comment "Use of Honourable is similar to that of American politicians" (also incorrect). You did raise it on Talk:Alfred Deakin and the situation was explained, then you started adding "The Honourable" to a number of politicians who were never ministers. The correct usage is explained at The Honourable, but the short version is that ministers (including the prime minister) serving on the Executive Council are granted the honorific "The Honourable". For federal ministers and ministers in the state of Victoria, the honorific is retained for life, and unlike US politicians it is widely used thereafter in even semi-formal cases. Other Australian states have different arrangements and can grant use of the title for life but generally it is lost when they are no longer a minister. I'm going to revert these edits, which will unfortunately remove the other fixes you did such as removing blank infobox fields and overlinking, but please be more careful about this—the WP:AUSPOL community knows a lot about this sort of stuff and knows what they're doing with title styles and the like. Thanks. --Canley (talk) 10:40, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake, I realised these were in the first federal parliament, my apologies. --Canley (talk) 10:47, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * However, please put a suitable edit summary when you make edits like this, such as "Entitled to Honourable honorific as member of the first parliament", rather than "ce to lede" or no summary/explanation at all. --Canley (talk) 10:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will be sure to provide a better explanation. Векочел (talk) 16:33, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

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May I ask. Why did you remove all my edits? Orson12345 (talk) 21:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * We don't usually use the title Majesty in infoboxes. To insert the title across hundreds of articles would require a WP:RFC. Personally I see no need for the title, why state the obvious and say a king has the title almost universally used by kings or an emperor has the title used by emperors? In the rare case a royal uses a unique title, that title could be added but that should be decided on a case-by-case basis. Векочел (talk) 00:31, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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 * , the edits on the Indian cities were removing unused parameters from the template. If they are not being used to give info about their articles, then they are really just clutter. The article on Osman II describes him as a caliph, whereas it is redundant to say so because Ottoman sultans are caliphs anyways. I have been editing on this wiki for 4 years, this is the first time someone accuses me of vandalism. Векочел (talk) 22:55, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * NO, unused parameters are not "clutter", as they do not appear in the article itself. They are just currently unused parameters that provide reminders of, and a template for, additional information which can/should be added. Deleting them means that an editor may not add useful information, or that they have to go to the template page to retrieve the deleted parameters, or, very frequently, that they guess the missing parameters, and fill the template up with unsupported infobox parameters. As a general rule, please do not make edits that do not alter the appearance of the rendered page; although there are exceptions, such as hidden text. - Arjayay (talk) 10:23, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

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One year ago you invented something with no basis and applied it without fully following the rules and moved articles for Al Saud family members. And today beacuse of your unnecessary moves all articles are again moved without the Al Saud. So please think before you do something. --Egeymi (talk) 11:53, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Al Saud
Hi Векочел

I'm curious why you have proposed the opposite move to the one you made last year, at Talk:Nayef bin Abdulaziz? The correct form of this name according to Wikipedia policies is to omit "Al Saud" from the end, as the WP:COMMONNAME in reliable sources more often omits it than includes it, and the shorter form is also more WP:CONCISE. The RM last year concluded that "Al Saud" should be removed, and all similar articles should also have it removed for consistency with that decision. Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:36, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See this ngram for evidence of common name. The version without "Al Saud" on the end has around 8 times as many occurrences in book sources as the version which includes it. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe my initial judgement was wrong, there are a lot of Saudi royals and almost all have their surname in their article title. Векочел (talk) 00:09, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That doesn't matter though. What matters is Wikipedia policy and what is commonly reported in reliable sources. After the successful move last year, we should have moved other articles to follow suit. Consistency is good, and we can achieve it if we move all the other articles, but as I say it should be consistency that reflects the real world usage, as determined by sources, not just inserting extra words for the sake of it. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:56, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See also your own comment here: - this specifically addresses why the shorter names are correct according to policy, now you're saying your "initial judgement was wrong"? No, that was entirely the correct judgement, and I'm unclear why you'd now argue against policy. Thanks  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:59, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * My judgement was wrong because a convention has developed to use "Al Saud" for the Saudi royals, to not use the surname for Omani royals, to use it again in Kuwait, etc. Векочел (talk) 14:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

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I see that you've been working on the articles on the Ptolemies lately. In almost every way, I think what you are doing is excellent, so of course I'm writing to raise the one small thing that I'm less keen on, which is the removal of epithets. At times, I think removing the epithets makes it more difficult to read the text, since one is confronted with a mess of VIs, VIIIs, IXs, etc. which all look visually quite similar. So, I'd ask you to reconsider removing them as a default. As I say, it's just a small point and I'm genuinely just raising it as a point of view, not insisting that you agree. Thanks! Furius (talk) 21:29, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It's confusing regardless of what system you use. If it's better to use epithets for the Ptolemies, then we will run into Ptolemy I Soter and Ptolemy IX Soter. It's confusing to give so many French kings the name Louis or in Britain to have two contemporary monarchs called Queen Elizabeth. I don't think that this issue is something unique to the Ptolemies. Векочел (talk) 15:15, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

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I'm not sure why you are removing the link to the table of spouses in the articles. These early Japanese Emperors had only one spouse and the rest were concubines, by definition here is the difference:


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 * A spouse is a significant other in a marriage.

The other think I took issue was with your removal of "Shinto" as a practicing religion. This is documented in the "Kiki" that the Early Emperors adhered to the Shinto religion. Legendary or not, if we were to go with the context I feel we should add the religion. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:20, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * We can keep the religion if they are so strongly associated with Shinto, but the emperors strictly had only the empresses as their spouses and the infobox can get cluttered by listing all the concubines. Векочел (talk) 22:30, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * (ec) My apologies, most of the edits you did were helpful and it was confusion on my part (I undid a bunch of my reverts having to do with spouses). I still think "Shinto" should be included in religion though per the traditional narrative. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:32, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

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While I don't necessarily disagree with removing post-nominals from the ledes of bios and leaving them in the infoboxes, I don't see any rationale for such deletions at WP:POSTNOM and I believe deleting the post-nominals would be something that affects a lot of biographies across Wikipedia; you should thefore seek a strong consensus at a central location before proceeding further, if, indeed, you had plans to. ₪  MIESIANIACAL  17:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it's MOS:POSTNOM, and I'm referring to the fourth paragraph. When an individual holds a large number of post-nominal letters or seldom uses them (common among heads of state and members of royal families), they should be omitted from the lead, and the titles only described in the main body of the article. Векочел (talk) 18:24, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Charles III ALTs
Why are you removing the information from those? It's useful info. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 22:47, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Using alt captions will cause the screen reader to read both the visible and alt text. Using unnecessary alt descriptions will be irritating to visually impaired readers. Векочел (talk) 22:50, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, but if you just have the images turned off, and you're reading them, the alts don't make sense. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 22:52, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hello! I've been told that you object to this context in image captions on the grounds that the figures are well know? That would make sense if it just said "President" so what was being communicated was the position, but "then President" is communicating context about a specific time period. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 16:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Personally I think it's redundant to say "then president" because I expect the reader to assume the caption would read "former president" for a picture of a president taken after they left office. But I have no problem at all with wording the caption as then president. Векочел (talk) 16:42, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * I don't think the specification is necessary in this case. I would rather have the caption read "Barack Obama" then specify his title. I think he is prominent enough to be widely known, and in case someone has never heard of him there is no trouble with providing a link to the article on Barack Obama. My preference would be the same for other US and UK leaders like Biden and Johnson. However, if you guys want to specify their title, I won't fuss. Векочел (talk) 13:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * MSincccc, Mele Kalikimaka! I would be more than happy to join a taskforce dedicated to Prince William. Векочел (talk) 01:16, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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I mentioned you in this discussion. I tried to ping you, but wasn't able to find all the letters in your name. GoodDay (talk) 17:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Next time, copy and paste for simplicity. There is much argument to be had over the page names, that is what the move discussions are for, but I will try to summarize my stance here. There is no need for of country when there is no ambiguity over the page name. (In fact, I personally believe the article on the current British king should have the country name added because there are multiple Charles III's of considerable stature.) Anyway, I have noticed editors opposed to these moves saying the page moves are "sad" rather than appealing to Wikipedia policy. The editors supporting these moves, however, do generally appear to base their support votes based on Wikipedia policy. Векочел (talk) 21:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Stop!
Simple direct links are preferred. Do not remove pipes to them. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:37, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @UtherSRG I was puzzled why you reverted Векочел's changes. What about WP:NOPIPE and MOS:NOPIPE? Rosbif73 (talk) 14:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * These need to be handled individually, and not in bulk. There are times to use pipes, and there are times not to. This user doesn't appear to be making that distinction. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * UtherSRG, I have found it is generally preferable to use a redirect than piping to the main article. Is there any test you use to decide when a pipe is needed and when it's not? I am going with what MOS:NOPIPE says, as Rosbif pointed out. Векочел (talk) 19:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:NOPIPE is a how-to guide, not a definitive policy. You were unpiping without any seeming rationale for picking and choosing. If piping were something that shouldn't ever be, someone would write a bot, remove all pipes, and disable pipes being something that can be used. Sometimes redirects should be used; sometimes pipes should be used. Piped link shows there are valid uses for pipes. Can you say you were checking each pipe usage to see that they were appropriate to be unpiped and were not one of the valid uses? That seems unlikely given how fast you were doing the unpipings. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:NOPIPE is a guide, but it doesn't say anything that resembles "Simple direct links are preferred. Do not remove pipes to them." It actually makes it clear that redirects are generally preferable to unnecessary piped links.
 * The script that Векочел is using converts links of the form  into links of the form   if   is a valid redirect to , or if   and   both redirect to some other page  . The result is a link that has the same target and displays the same text as the original. I do agree that caution is advisable, and there are cases where exceptions may reasonably be made.
 * you reverted about a hundred of Векочел's edits in about ten minutes. Did you check each example to see that they were actually at fault? Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 15:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Monarchs diagnosed with cancer
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If a category has been tagged for speedy deletion as an empty category (CSD C1), there is really no good reason to take it to CFD for a week-long discussion. It will be deleted more quickly as a CSD C1, while CFD nominations can sometimes last weeks and what are editors going to debate about an empty category? It's unnecessary and I hope you will stop this practice. Only start CFD discussion about categories where a discussion would be fruitful. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:09, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * Please leave an edit summary with every edit you make. This is especially important with the dozens of page moves you are doing recently where it's not clear why you are moving the articles to different page titles. If you leave a brief explanation, particularly one based in policy, it's less likely that your edit will be reverted because your fellow editors will understand why you made the edit you did. It really takes just a few extra sentences so please take an extra minute and leave an explanatory edit summary. It's good practice on the platform. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 05:04, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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Sorry
I was trying to to revert the whole DOB, per WP:DOB, but reverted your cn template instead. Now fixed. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:10, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

March 2024
Hello! Did you really think this was a good idea, removing the linked reference to her place of birth? You could at least have linked it in the info box. I am asking you now to do that. Please be more careful, and please (as requested above) leave edit summaries! SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:21, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I will try to be more consisteny with my edit summaries. However, per MOS:BIRTHPLACE, Birth and death places, if known, should be mentioned in the body of the article, and can appear in the lead if relevant to notability, but not in the opening brackets alongside the birth and death dates. Векочел (talk) 13:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! It would have beemn nice if you would have linked her place of birth in the info box when you removed it elsewhere. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You changed the link to a location in Norway and in Västergötland. Fixed now. Are you going to be more careful? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:57, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

March 2024 (2)
Please do not change any info-box names so that they do not correspond to (1) article names and (2) names as given in article text. If you want such name changes you need to request article moves (renaming). No other way. SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * See WP:NOPIPE. The page on Anund Jacob was presumably moved to remove the country name, and the article on Cnut the Great was also moved. Векочел (talk) 10:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * What is this supposed to mean? Please start using edit summaries. TylerBurden (talk) 19:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It means illegitimate. His son was born out of wedlock. Векочел (talk) 20:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

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Infoboxes
Hello, Векочел,

Why are you making massive, undiscussed changes, removing religion from Infoboxes where previous editors had added it in? Is there policy regarding this? I was going to revert all of your changes until I saw you were an experienced editor, not a new account, but it seems like you are making changes on a grand scale without discussion. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In most cases the religion of these royals is simply not notable. We don't list the religion for Queen Elizabeth II's three younger children or for Charles III's sons, for instance. Векочел (talk) 19:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In cases like Catherine Jagellon, her religion is a vital detail, yet you removed it twice there also. I've now fixed that twice. Please slow down, at least read articles you wish to change, and be more careful! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Haile Selassie
@Векочел Would you mind helping User:CtasACT by going through all the references on the above mentioned article and also ensuring whether they meet Wikipedia's policy or not. The GA review is taking place at-Talk:Haile Selassie/GA2. I would greatly appreciate it if you could help. Regards MSincccc (talk) 13:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I will look at it shortly. Векочел (talk) 23:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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Please stop doing this! Nobility and royalty are not the same thing. I would think you knew that before going about all those faulty changes?! SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Royalty is a subset of nobility. Indeed Category:Royalty on Wikipedia is a subset of Category:Nobility. Векочел (talk) 19:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That is not correct. Read the articles, be enlightened and stop doing this! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

April 2024 (2)
You are doing a lot of damage with changes like this. Unless you go back and fix those articles, we are heading for serious trouble. It is far more relevant that these people are the children of monarchs than any other less relevant titles. SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * A prince regnant is a type of monarch. Векочел (talk) 19:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do know that. That's not what I wrote to you about. Read it again and fix your errors! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The page Elizabeth II is already under Category:Daughters of kings. (I did not categorize it.) What is the point of removing a category when it helps to disambiguate? As for the pages which I placed in Swedish nobility, I will have a second look. Векочел (talk) 20:04, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You are changing categories from helpful ones to much less relevant ones when you make changes like the one I linked to at the top of this talk section. Understand? It is far more relevant that these people are the children of monarchs than any other less relevant titles. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:Categorization states “Each categorized page should be placed in all of the categories to which it logically belongs. This means that if a page belongs to a subcategory of C (or a subcategory of a subcategory of C, and so on) then it is not normally placed directly into C.” So it would appear that User:Векочел is correct in moving to the more specific subcategory, since Category:Sons of princes regnant is a subcategory of Category:Sons of monarchs. It’s the same reason why Princess Astrid of Belgium is categorized under Category:Daughters of kings, not Category:Daughters of monarchs. 170.76.231.175 (talk) 19:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Mothers of monarchs
For the most part, I think the categories are, at least in theory, supposed to be limited to women who lived to see their children become monarchs. At the very least, that's the philosophy I was using when considering adding them to the category. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 21:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * In history, whoever was the mother of a monarch is counted as such whether or not she lived to see the monarch's reign. It's the monarch's relationship to her that's most relevant. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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