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 * Good day! Since this is by far not my first article, your actions left me totally confused. I will happily go through the draft route this time, yet it would be really nice in the future to allow few hours' worth of sleep to an editor after him explicitly placing an under construction tag onto the article. --Викидим (talk) 20:51, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi! The directions for under construction note that if this page has not been edited in several hours, please remove this template. I moved the page to the draftspace after around 4.5 hours had passed since the last edit. I apologize if the template I used to note the shift came off as condescending; it was not my intent to do so and in hindsight I should have removed that portion of the template after leaving my first message. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 21:02, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem, I will from now on cease placing the tag onto the articles while I take a nap. Do I understand correctly that the only other objection was that the text used a single source? I had multiple other sources lined up from the beginning (the subject is important and has multiple monographs dedicated to it), so this will no longer be an issue in few hours. --Викидим (talk) 21:26, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If other sources are added, that would resolve my concerns, yes. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 21:43, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I will expand the text based on other sources (just adding the sources makes little sense) and submit the article for a review. --Викидим (talk) 22:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

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 * I do not understand your request. The copied attribution, placed by me, was there all along, of course, check the Talk:Catullus 3. Would you like another copy on Talk:Catullus 2? Викидим (talk) 19:38, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Templates on the talk page are optional. The edit summary is mandatory. — Diannaa (talk) 22:33, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Викидим (talk) 23:08, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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Suggested restructure for Tezos
Hi Викидим, I am working on improving the Tezos article by proposing a restructure. I noticed you have edited blockchain-related pages in the past and am wondering if you would be interested in reviewing my edit request on the Tezos talk page. I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have. Thank you, Lauraattezos (talk) 10:47, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Channel (geography)
Hi Викидим. You added the short form reference "Abdel-Aziz 2004" to Channel (geography), but that work is not defined in the article. Could you add the required full cite to the Sources section, or let me know what this refers to? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 15:20, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for letting me know. I am on a cruise, just had a shore excursion, and had to save the text before finishing. I have already got back to my cabin and will add the source in minutes. Thank you for the reminder. Викидим (talk) 15:51, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In rush to exit the ship provided a mixture of two references, it took time (and multiple iterations) to sort it out. Now ✅ Викидим (talk) 16:23, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Renewable energy in Turkey/GA2
Hello @Викидим,

Perhaps you might have time to have a look at Renewable energy in Turkey.

I am happy with the above ongoing review and reviewer but you probably know more technically than either of us and I doubt the reviewer would mind if you added more comments. I am particularly interested if you notice important aspects which I ought to have added. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:30, 27 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Chidgk1, I will definitely look at the article, but please do not expect much, as I am not an expert in this area at all. Викидим (talk) 17:58, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

An apology
Hi Викидим, my apologies for hastily moving Martingale (clothing) to draftspace. I've since reviewed the relevant policies and see where I went wrong. I apologize if I inconvenienced you in any way. (Also, I've learned a new word. Never knew it was called a martingale!) Wracking  💬 02:37, 14 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I see no problem here and truly appreciate you keeping the ultra-short pages out of the article space. There was no inconvenience, and this meaning of "martingale" is little-known indeed. Викидим (talk) 03:05, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If you add a bit more prose, it would be a great candidate at Did you know?. The article would only need around 400 more characters. (DYK requires 1500 minimum of "readable prose", and the article meets all other qualifications.) Wracking  💬 03:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the suggestion! I have added the Etymology section, now DYK check shows 1663 characters. Note that, as written, the added text is decidedly PG-13. The source used, while originally published (in French) in a serious scientific journal, is actually R-rated in places. My familiarity with DYK in English Wikipedia is quite limited (tens of my articles got into the DYK equivalent in Russian), so feel free to suggest toning it down further. Викидим (talk) 09:04, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Copy editing is my game! (But feel free to undo anything I've changed.) Let me know if you need help with the DYK nomination– not sure how different it is than ruwiki, but I have a whopping one (1) successful DYK at enwiki and would be happy to help.
 * Also, I wonder if Martingale breeches should eventually get its own article, as its different than the half-belt on a coat? Or the article could be about the use of "martingale" for garments (as the breeches are already mentioned)? Wracking  💬 20:30, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I tried to get enough material on the martingale dress (these are actually sold nowadays) and the pants, but failed. Until the material can be discovered, the breeches (and dresses, if I manage to find anything coherent) will be forced to stay in this article. Викидим (talk) 22:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Makes sense!! Wracking  💬 01:21, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

DYK nom
I've gone ahead and nominated Martingale (clothing) at DYK, by the way! It's sitting over at Template talk:Did you know. Please feel free to suggest more hooks if you don't like the ones I put  Wracking  💬 21:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Catullus
Left you a reply there :) Kafka Liz A girl is no one 10:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hello. Help improvements. Thanks you. 2402:800:6344:2A73:8DE5:C07C:DACA:63E6 (talk) 19:07, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Sorry, this is way out of my league. Викидим (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

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DYK for Monument of the Eponymous Heroes
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DYK for Cube sugar
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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! The sheer scale of English Wikipedia makes a total hijacking of it by a small highly coordinated group unlikely, so I am quite willing to take my chances here. Викидим (talk) 06:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

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Abbreviations in citations
Sounds like a good idea, if you have time to make it reasonably comprehensive. Obviously n.d. will be the first and most obvious member. My initial plan was to redirect it to APA style but really couldn't see an obvious landing spot. So your idea would do the job. No one will object if you change the redirect from Wiktionary to your new article.

Maybe not really an abbreviation as such but in an example like should we explain why 123 is in bold and 45 is in parentheses? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 00:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Few good sources can for sure be found for the "Abbreviations in citations", this subject is frequently treated independently of a particular citation style. I am not so sure about the bold/parenthesis, as these appear to me as style-specific information that can go into articles like APA style, IMHO. Alas, unlike Ibid., N.d. does not appear to have good sources on its own. Викидим (talk) 08:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Not great but here are two I cited in my first attempt:
 * Enjoy! (as our American friends like to say). --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Enjoy! (as our American friends like to say). --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Enjoy! (as our American friends like to say). --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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 * Sorry for the inconvenience. I think that we clicked the "reviewed" button simultaneously, and, after some thinking, was trying to undo my action (as I have thought) so someone else can mark the article as reviewed. The notability as-is is borderline, and I put too much effort into the article to be unbiased. The current state (reviewed by you) is perfectly fine. Викидим (talk) 08:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, it just seems like the NPP backlog is such that we shouldn't keep marking as "unreviewed" just because the articles aren't perfect. In theory, there are enough re-reviewers monitoring the curation log, such that any hasty or poor decisions do get questioned and the article could still land in AfD if another editor decides further discussion is needed. At least the article has some citations now so thanks for that! Cielquiparle (talk) 08:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Wakefield, New Brunswick
While I will agree that the article is garbage per 2024 standards, you shouldn't draftify articles more than 90 days old without a consensus per WP:DRAFTIFY.  Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 05:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Викидим (talk) 05:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It’s not a great article, but it’s presumed to be notable as per WP:GEOLAND. It shouldn’t have been draftified in the first place. B3251 (talk) 17:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Викидим (talk) 18:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

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Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

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Hi Викидим, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the new page reviewer user right to your account. This means you now have access to the page curation tools and can start patrolling pages from the new pages feed. If you asked for this at requests for permissions, please check back there to see if your access is time-limited or if there are other comments.

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Self-portraiture
Greetings, dear collaborator,

I see that you are experienced in editing articles. I'm trying to develop an article, but I don't have that much experience. Self-portraiture is a new concept, and therefore a bit more difficult to write about. But, I will try to do the best I can. Hugs Dinho Aarão (talk) 18:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * When dealing with the new concepts, there is a problem of WP:original research (OR): while a very laudable activity (say, science is all about OR), it has no place in encyclopedia. We here merely retell other people's long settled research in our own words. Викидим (talk) 18:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I understood. But, I don't know what to do, because the first theses on self-representation in art historiography began with Jacob Burckhardt, in the nineteenth century, and later developed by various thinkers, such as Erwin Panofsky... Dinho Aarão (talk) 19:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I will respond on Talk:Self-portraiture. Викидим (talk) 19:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

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K2NbF7
Regarding your commment "I am always genuinely happy whenever my ignorance spurs some action. I am keeping my !vote since it does not matter in this case if the article will be built from scratch or out of an 8-year-old redirect, as the initial author will be the same, but can change it to wait if this can make life simpler for anyone." I guess that you can compliment yourself and I am sure that you have good intentions, but I will say that it is rare that ignorance of a topic really help to advance a discussion.--Smokefoot (talk) 14:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Dear colleague: (1) First of all, it is real pleasure to work with an expert. That said, (2) I personally prefer to work on subjects that I am not deeply familiar with as a matter of principle: this is (for me) a place to have fun, and there is little fun (for me) in writing down what I am an expert in, as it involves searching for WP:RS to reference the facts that I know to be true . Looking back at my contributions so far, I cannot say I am ashamed of them, even if (or especially when?) they are on the truly obscure subjects that no one but me seems to care about (cf. Bishop Street, Novgorod Detinets with its views per month that can be counted on fingers of one hand). (3) In this particular case, I have actually searched for the compound name and formula prior to writing my original comment, and still happen to think that it is fairly obscure (not unimportant!), as most niobium-related things are. Wikipedia is lucky to have editors like you, familiar with these (pretty cool) corners of the human knowledge well. (4) IMHO, the net result of our interaction was very positive for the project, as it has another article on an important subject. (5) I did not mean any offense, so if any of my remarks grated upon you, please accept my apologies. Викидим (talk) 20:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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Improve, don't remove.
I imagine at the beginning this editor was not the experienced editor they are today and that even today this editor is not immune from mistake making.

Please re-read the following as this newcomer is not enjoying their time on wikipedia currently. You may well say "toughen up snowflake" but I hope you remember what it was like being a newcomer here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers Rockycape (talk) 22:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I did not notice a single ad hominem argument in the discussions you were involved in so far. Stating that one needs better sources is part of daily communications here and cannot be interpreted as some kind of a personal attack. Generally the best answer to such input is actually looking for and providing better sources - reacting to critique of one's texts by fixing them always makes Wikipedia better. In general, if few experienced editors independently say that some X is missing in the text, then most likely it is actually missing, and no amount of discussions will fix this deficit of X. If one feels that their opponents are wrong, the common sense would dictate to bring in more editors, not request to continue the said discussions without bringing in fresh sources, arguments, or participants (see WP:EXHAUST). The process of bringing more eyes to look at the issue should be done through neutral channels (like WP:Projects or WP:Noticeboards), mobilizing one's friends is not a good idea, see WP:Sockpuppetry. Викидим (talk) 23:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * For the record I support wikipedia anti-sockpuppetry stance fully and specifically "creating an illusion of support". Rockycape (talk) 00:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I read your profile info some time ago about moving to the en.wikipedia.org space after becoming disillusioned with another language wikipedia due impenetrable blocks of editors forming. That does not sound like fun. Rockycape (talk) 00:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I've added a comment just below the top of the AfD questioning whether the AfD is necessary. The AfD was added very soon after the page was created.  In line with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers there is some flexibility that promotes a better wikipedia for all including newcomers. Rockycape (talk) 00:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * As of today the Down-ball AfD and Down-ball article has been deleted without warning. There was no consensus reached and the AfD had recently been re-listed to gain consensus.  Back to the drawing board I guess.  If I create this page as a draft is that acceptable to Викидим ? Rockycape (talk) 02:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * (1) You are incorrect in your description of the AfD outcome, so it might make sense to look again at the WP:AfD to understand what's actually happened. (2) It is also not necessary to seek my approval: articles stand on their own feet, especially in such non-controversial subject area as children's games. (3) At this stage, there is no need to write an article text, as the problem was with the WP:RS (essentially, there were none). So effort might be better spent on a search for good sources. Ideal source would be an article in some research journal dedicated to physical education at school that will describe the game in some detail (say, a page of text) and contain a brief discussion on why this down-ball is not one of the other downballs. Such a text does not always exist - although easy to find if the game is indeed popular, see, for example ) - but something similar will need to be found for the article to stand a chance to be recreated. Without such a source, the text will go down the same path. (4) For the avoidance of doubt, I personally did spend some time trying to locate a good source before WP:PRODding (I consider myself somewhat of an inclusionist and actually prefer keeping articles), and found none. Wishing you better luck, Викидим (talk) 03:13, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I was expecting you might suggest that creating the wikipedia page as a draft would be the best option. Why do you not support that? Rockycape (talk) 04:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Speaking about the page that I created, I don't think your role in ensuring that Down-ball page was deleted shows your inclusionist tendencies with one exception. You said you went looking for references and for that I commend you. Rockycape (talk) 05:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * (1) No, you actually need to find a good source (or sources) . Essentially, during the AfD discussion the consensus was that there are too few (my opinion: none) sources that show WP:N. Attempt to recreate article without finding a new good source will quite probably by futile. (2) As for the sections, the layout does not really matter much. No one would suggest deleting article due to poor layout (or keeping an article for its exceptionally good looks). (3) No, you do not have to have the "Sources" section (I like it, but this is my personal taste that not everyone would agree with). Викидим (talk) 05:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * My contention is that different wikipedia articles require different rigor in regards to sources. For example, the rigor of sources for a school yard game should be less than for a contentious historical event.Rockycape (talk) 06:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * How would you recommend a newcomer "bring in more editors"? Rockycape (talk) 07:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * In my previous reply (under #1) I have already suggested the course of action that IMHO would have been beneficial for the project. You have apparently chosen a different road for which I am unable to offer you any helpful advice. Викидим (talk) 07:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

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