User talk:Рицер зацний

May 2023
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Bardiche, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Mellk (talk) 19:18, 6 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I understand, but there was no change that required additional source, no changes regarding Bardiche was done, only slight correction of common terms, what exactly am i supposed to add? Рицер зацний (talk) 19:44, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * What does the source say? Do you have access to it? See WP:V. Mellk (talk) 21:19, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You mean Jerzy Besala's work? My corrections didn't contradict it at all... So far the changes concern not the Bardiche, should i cite off-topic sources about country-names??? It seems inappropriate and silly.
 * Do you understand what i changed at all?
 * I don't think there are particular works devoted to Bardiche where more precise country names are used instead of old-fangled. Рицер зацний (talk) 21:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * What terms do the source use? If the source used a certain term, there is no good reason not to use it. This is basic verifiability. Mellk (talk) 21:41, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You should understand the controversy around the term Russia: The country implied has to be "Muscovy", on contrast with Ruthenia/Rus/Russia, being two different country (currently Ukraine), that is why both names are indicated by me, and Lithuania additionally, as a joint state with Ruthenia then. But the source of Bardiche isn't even devoted to such topic, and uses "Russia" in old way, wrongly, not showing the difference between countries, giving a perspective based on abstract construction of Muscovian political terminology that contains only one "Russia".￼ Рицер зацний (talk) 22:09, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In English, it is called Russia. Mellk (talk) 22:12, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It has nothing to do with languages, it's a historical term, which is used broadly in English and in all historical sources of that time. Рицер зацний (talk) 09:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)