User talk:הסרפד/Yehiel of Paris

Emanuel 2008

 * 86
 * Famous for Disputation, emigration or attempted emigration to Israel and attempted re-institution of the sacrificial rite; his work not much discussed; basic biographical facts, journey, place and time of death, uncertain;


 * 87
 * Bekhor, Yosef, named for Yehiel's father, ruling on Ta'anit bekhorim (mention of Samuel ha-Levi, according to Emanuel a half- (or step-) brother), piyut by Yosef; Yosef's journey well documented


 * 88
 * DYLST's neder (compares various MS versions, prefers MS Amsterdam, according to which Yosef's disciple's father absolved for Yehiel's honor), known to have been on ship with Yehiel, buried at the foot of the Carmel (wrongly recorded as Yehiel in some (unclear if identical to Uri ben Shimon) sources)


 * 89
 * Stepson Moshe ha-Levi (Horowitz, &lrm;, p. 9–10: author of one version of Abraham b. Ephraim's etc.), Yehiel's wife died before him; son-in-law: SMQ, author of SMQ and...


 * 90
 * Dinim, not all published, one version very different from the others (more details in Fragments),


 * 91
 * Yehiel's death mentioned 3 times;


 * 92
 * Yehiel died at home (not on board ship) near his family, suggests that tombstone fragment from Paris (citing Nahon) refers to Yehiel himself; contrary evidence in two sources: Hebrew chronicle, citing Ta Shma, but notes Urbach's suggested reading, Yehiel was headed to Israel...


 * 93
 * Joseph arrived, is buried there, but Yehiel is not. Latin source: Kedar's misreading of Disputation of Majorca "Si Vivit" as name, "Sir Vives" the "Angel", corrected by Limor.


 * 94
 * Notes Yehiel on Get in Paris 5018, corrupted text. Date of Yehiel's death (estimates very over a range from 1265–1292) : 12 Nisan, when 14 Nisan is a Saturday: 1260, 1264, 1280 unlikely, later impossible, after Isaac's death. Yehiel's possible route:


 * 95: Yehiel was in Dijon, according to Perez of Corbeil, in SMQ ms., and according to Yedidyah of Speyer/Nuremberg in 1254 {Emanuel's terminology is confusing when compared to sources), also in Vienne according to Isaac of Düren, both are far south from Paris. Cites Gross' suggestion of Yehiel's route to Marseilles.

Urbach
Per 5th ed. (Mentions deemed irrelevant: 1:322, 461, 464, 465, 480, 485, 486; 2:500, 521, 541, 596, 635–636, 673, 742)

Volume 1

 * 438: Correspondence with Isaac of Vienna (3621)
 * 448–460: Yehiel of Paris (main entry) (371–3811)
 * 448: Also a disciple of Samson of Sens (not in 1)
 * 449–452: Disputation of Paris (371–3761)
 * 449: Urbach's opinion on Baer's analysis (3721)
 * 456: Urbach's theory on Dieu-le-saut/Delicieux's imprisonment (3781)
 * 456: Joseph/Dieu-le-saut/Delicieux; delayed journey to Holy land by Yehiel; analysis of French name (3781)
 * 456: Date of Yehiel's departure (3781)
 * 457: Yehiel's grave missing, did not arrive, criticism of Kedar (5th ed. only), Greece etc. (3791)
 * 1st ed: Carmoly: evidence of stay in Greece; Graetz: question from Greece; Gross GJ: Vienne; Elbogen REJ: Dijon; Urbach: ; Kook: >
 * 5th ed: Highly abridged, refers to Gross and Kook (p. 143) only; refers to Asheri manuscripts (Paris 417 & 418) "" [sic]; suggests
 * 458–460: Works, correspondents (379–3811)
 * 459–460: Tosefot Rabbenu Yehiel Arv.Pes., Mo.Q., Hul.; others not proven
 * 460: Biblical commentary, piyut (Manuscript analyzed by Sirat?) (3811, no piyut)
 * 459, note 49: Author of comments in Mordechai is Isaac of Corbeil, Yehiel's son-in-law, citing Bialer
 * Bialer cites 1st ed., p. 380 note 94 [sic; 49], where Urbach suggests an unknown son-in-law of Yehiel, whom Bialer identifies as Yosef!
 * 461, 464, 465: With Samuel of Falaise (=Chateau-Thierry, not in 1) (381, 383, 3841)
 * 487: With Tobiah of Vienne (4001)

Volume 2

 * 527: Meir of Rothenburg's use of  not always literal (4101)
 * 528: Meir of Rothenburg as a disciple of Yehiel (4101)
 * 530: Yehiel b. Yaaqov ha-Levi in Tshuvot Maraham Rothenburg = Yehiel of Paris (4131)
 * 565: With Hezekiah of Magdeburg (4421)
 * 566-7: Yedidya, (of Nuremburg?) talmid-haver (disciple-colleague?) of Meir of Rothenburg, disciple of Yehiel (4431)
 * 571: Isaac of Corbeil son-in-law of Yehiel, not like Wellesz (whose questions were also raised by Rubinstein (4471: Wellesz unconvincing, but no proof to the contrary)
 * 576: Perez of Corbeil, disciple of Yehiel (4511)
 * 578: Yaqar, master of Perez, colleague of Yehiel, not Yaqar b. Samuel of Cologne (4521)
 * 608–609, 627: Tosafot Pesahim (esp. chapter 10), Ketubot = Tosafot Touqes, disciple of Yehiel (4771)

Gross (Gallia Judaica, 1897) index

 * 91
 * Joseph in Gel.E.Y. cited in Sed.haD. buried at foot of Carmel (in Sed.haD.: "the mountain" in Acre), went with father in 1260; Armaillé according to Carmoly, but lacking preposition; mentioned without "" in other sources (MS Bodl. 781), in the same manuscript (?) a  son of Yehiel is mentioned, i.e. Messire Deu-le-saut or Dieu-le-saut, a common Jewish name in northern France (cf. 153–4 (Dieulosal)) ; relieved of vow by Yehiel; grave of  at foot of Carmel citing Neubauer [=Toz.E.Y.] ...


 * 92
 * ...corrects to &lrm;; proposes that Joseph = due to his absence in Toz.E.Y. and the lack of the Hebrew name on the epitaph; though Deu-le-saut corresponds to Azariah or Isaiah, but is similar in sound (!) to Joseph; notes Eliezer author of MS vat.ebr.324 item 6, citing Zunz Z.G. 165, name corresponds better, but notes that source is Assemani and unreliable, citing Steinschneider Cat.Bodl. 957


 * 341 (Meaux)
 * Birth town of Yehiel b. Yosef; usually named for Paris; named in Or Zaru'a Sire Vives (with refs, but by page) ; Yehiel was the chief representative of Judaism at the disputation of Paris, named Vivo Meldensis (with Latin praise) in Christian account (citing Lewin, Kisch) ; not to be confused with Vivant of Miaux in Paris 1296 (citing Loeb REJ 1 p. 70, 247; Loeb identifies Vivant as Yehiel, gives his French name as Vivant, doubts death in Haifa) ; Vives corresponds to Yehiel


 * 526 (Paris)
 * Sire Vives; one of J. Sir Leon's oldest disciples, succeeded him as head of Paris yeshiva in 1224 (Citing Maharshal §29) ; called: Yehiel of Paris, "our master" Yehiel "" (citing Orh.Hay.I, Kolbo) ; (Orh.Hay.II ms. p 97) ;  (Orh.Hay.II ms. p 173) ; title possibly to distinguish from father of Rosh; Greece: nowhere mentioned that Yehiel from Greece, nor like Carmoly (It. 190) passed through Greece; Graetz: &lrm;; but rabbinic relations to Greece unlikely, use of  implies oral (Says who?) ...


 * 527
 * ...suggests Vienne, cross-refs to p 193 where Yehiel is shown to correspond with Tovia, probably Tovia of Vienne (193 (Vienne): cites ms. Camb. 35: &lrm; [= Ms. Camb. Add. 377 cited in ?]; probably = Isaac b. Meir of Dura of Sha.Dura; discusses Tovia chronology: participated in Isaac b. Abraham funeral probably ca. 1210, visited by Yehiel in old age ca. 1260; Yehiel probably on way to Palestine) ; passed on route (citing Carmoly It. 187) ; Vienne  commonly misspelled; ca. 1260 went with son Joseph (probably same as Sire Deu-le saut, cross-ref to p 91) to Israel, both buried at foot of Carmel near Acre; Perez of Corbeil not son as in Qor.haD. but disciple; no evidence for brother Samuel mentioned by Carmoly (Biogr. (=France Isr.) 76 (non-ex. cross ref there) ); Isaac of Corbeil son-in-law (citing Shalsh.haQ. and Yuh. ed. London) ; Mordechai not (as opposed to Shalsh.haQ., Sh.haG., ms. Trabotto (REJ IV 208 et seq ) source of Shalsh.haQ.), despite three passages, not in most manuscripts (citing Kohn, Monats. 1877 p 110) ; Isaac of Corbeil probable author of two, third by Yosef b. Yehiel...


 * 528
 * ...or by brother-in-law of Isaac unrelated to Yehiel; Yehiel disciple of Isaac b. Abraham according to some sources (Shalsh.haQ. et al.), possible but not confirmed; 300 disciples (citing Carmoly); disciples: Isaac of Corbeil (per SMQ 210), Perez of Corbeil, Yaqar of Chinon (566–7 (Corbeil): probably = Yaqar b. Samuel of Cologne, German; not French, Chinon) , Y. Katz in Sh.Meq. B.Q. = (Zunz Z.G. 42) Judah haKohen / Judah b. Moses haKohen, Meir of Rothenburg (Shalsh.haQ., responsa B. 521) —rarely cites Yehiel—perhaps disciple very briefly, not Meir haLevi of Toledo (contra Shalsh.haQ.) , Isaac b. Hayyim nephew of SMG author of (cites mss., unclear) ; Yehiel admired by gentiles, but not counselor to Louis, legend;


 * 529
 * Detailed account of legends from Shalsh.haQ., described as legendary, but showing Yehiel's knowledge (?), and skill in answering Christians; answered chancellor of Paris in Joseph haMeq. with Isaac (either b. Hayim or of Corbeil); disputation: chief defender, cross-ref to Meaux, called in one ms. = ed. Thorn or  in another (ms. Bodl., refers to Lewin 1869 p 148); companions: Judah b. David of Melun, Moses of Coucy, Samuel b. Solomon of Falaise (478 (Falaise): Samuel b. Solomon of disputation = Samuel of Falaise "certainly") ;


 * 530
 * Situation after disputation worsens, Jews poor, sends Jacob to collect funds for yeshiva, describes tombs in Palestine; Yehiel's son imprisoned; situation of Jews in France worsens more, emigrates to Palestine with son after 1259, prob. 1260; died 1268 (citing SMG §('as.)50, SMQ §184 (=Tofes haGet: 1258, 1280 [!]) ; Graetz Vol 7 p 130 (not related?) ; Z Kahn REJ 1 p 232 (=Joseph haMeq.; "died in 1268, see §5" = REJ 3 p 4, citing Carmoly Fr.Is. 74 & It. 189, 254, 449) ); corresponded with: (consulted) Natanel of Chinon, eldest of that name (Maharik §102), associated with Samuel b. Solomon of Falaise and Isaac b. Moses of Vienna (citing O.Z.I p 67b, 228b, ibid. III B.M. 51) , responded to Hezekiah of Magdeburg (citing Mord. Git. §379) , and Isaac b. Todros ... skipping details here, closer examination needed... (citing MSS., see Freiman ?) ; [works:] [1] responsa, missing names of addressees (citing examples Mord. Pes. §557–558, Maharam L. §137 (Fr.XIII/102: §136), etc.) ; [2] rulings, mentioned by Meir of Rothenburg, Isaac of Corbeil and especially Perez of Corbeil (examples given) , rulings cited in many other sources (long list of examples) , and series of 72 rulings in manuscript (Bodl. 2343) entitled &lrm;, apparently part of a work by Yehiel mentioned in Orh.Hay.II as &lrm;, other mss. mention &lrm;;


 * 531
 * [3] Tosafot, called (Hag.May. Ham.uMaz. - end, Kolbo §114, Maharik §53),  (Hag.Mord. Yeb. §107) ,  (Kolbo §50) , Tosafot Pes. explicitly mentioned by his disciple in Tos. Pes. Ch.10, implied for Ber. Shab. Mo.Q. Bez. Qid. Yeb. Ket. Hul. B.Q. Zeb. Men. (examples given) ; [4] commentary on Bible (Da.Zeq. 48b 71b, ms. mentioned by Zunz Z.G. 100, ms. Bodl. 2343)

Gross (Sir Leon) index

 * 178 (notes 193) : "Sir Vivas  [sic] aus Meaux" (47: Latin description from Acta Sanctorum quoted by Lewin and Kisch; name Vivus, town Meaux; in Or Zarua = Yehiel b. Yosef in Maharam L.§166 = Sir Vivas) ; Jewish praise (48: Titles:  in Orh.Hay.I,  in manuscript (?),  (? source unclear),  citing Lewin), Christian praise (49: =47) ; works: Tosafot (50: On Ber., Shab., Pes., Bez., Yom., B.K., Hul.; sources; also called ) , responsa (51: Or Zarua, Hezekiah of Magdeburg, Netanel of Chinon) , psakim, commentary on Humash (53: cited in Da'at Zeqenim) ; disciple of J. Sir Leon (no ref!) ; succeeded his Yeshiva in Paris 1224 (no ref!) , 300 disciples (54: Carmoly, Itinéraires) ; disciples: Yaqar of Chinon (55: Shil.Gib. on Mord. Git., end) , Perez ben Elijah and Isaac ben Joseph of Corbeil, the latter Yehiel's son-in-law (no ref!) ; 1260 with son Joseph (58: Seder ha-Dorot [=Glilot]) (called "Joseph of Paris" (59: Minhat Yehuda ed. Livorno 34b [? v. Gallia Judaica]) ) left to Holy Land; end of Yeshiva of Paris (no ref!) 

Freiman (Mahkim) index
(Comparison to Gross)
 * XI (100)
 * Mahkim disciple of Yehiel of Paris ( Mahkim p. 33, when compared to other MSS.) ;, improved O.Z. refs; adds title (Kaft.vaF.) , improves Orh.Hay. ref to  and  but missing ibid. &lrm;; disciple of Isaac b. Abraham of Dampierre (Mord. Mo.Q. §880, SMQ §213; contra Gross "unconfirmed") ; responsa to Isaac of Vienna (improves refs) ; conversed with Moshe of  (SMQ §184 etc., after Gross GJ 377 (Marseille)) and...


 * XII (101)
 * ...Tobiah of Vienne (after Gross GJ 193, 526) ; disciples (skipping Gross duplicates, 300 etc.): Isaac mentioned by Jos. haMeq. possibly Gross' Isaac b. Hayyim, Meir of Rothenburg (adds ref to same from Birk. Maharam), Yosef b. Avraham (Hag.Mor. Yev.) , Yedidya b. Israel of Nuremberg (Hil.Semah. Maharam, Mord. Mo.Q. §906, etc., long footnote) ...


 * XIII (102)
 * ... Simha Hazzan (Orh.Hay.I, spellings in MS , , citing Kohn Magazin 4 p98) ; disputation; journey to Land of Israel in 5017, korbanot (Kaft.vaF.) ; quotes Jacob the messenger and refers to Güdemann (the Jews in Palestine must have been wealthy then [//archive.org/stream/geschichtedeser01gdgoog#page/n649/mode/2up]) ; in 5018 still in France (Get in SMG) ; went to Acre (no ref!) ; son buried at foot of Carmel (Citing [//books.google.com/books?id=F0wMSJF6lvMC&pg=PA105 Neubauer, REJ 10 p105] [=, first pub.]) , cf. Gross GJ 91 &lrm;,  in Gel.E.Y. and Sed.haD.; also son Eliezer (citing Steinschneider and Zunz Z.G.!) ; works: enumeration of responsa (=Gross) , pshatim (improves refs to Da.Zeq) , psakim (approx. = Gross, with some omissions, one explained) ,


 * XIV (103)
 * Works (continued): Tosafot Ber. Shab. Pes. Bez. Mo.Q. (modifies ref) Ket. (+1 ref, modifies Mord. ref) Qid. (+Magaz. 4 p 209) B.Q. Zev. Men. (detailed sources for each, mostly from Gross, slightly modified or improved); (–XV/–104): distinguish from Yehiel b. Matityahu of Paris (mentioned by Gross GJ 509 / Sir Leon 188)

Margulies index

 * 1
 * "HaYavan" = Dijon (Marg.'s own? Elbogen possible?), adds to disciples Eliezer of Provins (citing Orh.Hay.2 Zed. §1. Highly unconvincing in context) , adds ref to Yaqar of Chinon (Hag.SMQ §184)...


 * 2
 * ...Mordechai (claims as son-in-law per Eruv. §524, Bez. §691, and Pes. §588, adds "proof" from name of paytan "Yehiel b. Yosef" b. Mordechai, from Zunz Paytanim (=Literaturgeschichte der synagogalen Poesie) [//books.google.com/books?id=l2BAAmBHjmYC&pg=PA508 508]); claims Hag.Maim. as son-in-law as well since he was Mordechai's brother-in-law, and the same with Sh.u-T. Min HaShmayim after Sh.ha-G. after Haredim (?), but notes chronological difficulty with the latter, notes lack of  in Mord. and SMQ to which he refers to Wellesz (for the latter); works: Tosafot to all of Talmud...


 * 3
 * ... and Shittot [sic], responsa, psakim, commentary on Torah (copies refs, adds some, none of particular interest) ; legend of lamp from Shalsh.haQ. via Sed.haD.; sent messenger to collect because of Yeshiva's success, before disputation (cites Eisenstein, who also places the sending of Jacob the messenger before the disputation, but for negative reasons, based in turn on Carmoly with mistakes, and others—for "Beaux"?) ;


 * 4
 * Disputation (mentions ms Jacob of Venice, published by [//books.google.com/books?id=FHZDAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA30 Kobak]), Donin of La Rochelle, herem 4984, "Nicolo"; (skipping disputation details...)


 * 6
 * Disputation 2 Balaq 5001; (...)


 * 9
 * Worsening situation forces Yehiel to leave France, emigrated with his son Joseph of [sic] to the Land of Israel, where a great center of learning had already been established by the disciples of Samson of Sens and Jonathan of Lunel in the immigration of the 300 rabbis, and spent the rest of his days, with new disciples (citing Kaft.vaF. quotes of Barukh) . Margulies believes that Joseph and  are distinct: Joseph is buried in Acre near "the mountain", while, who is buried at the foot of the Carmel, is probably Eliezer (citing Gross).


 * 10
 * Intended to go to Jerusalem to reinstate the sacrificial rite (long footnote discussing halakha aspects) but did not succeed, died, buried in Haifa (citing Sed.haD. citing Gel.E.Y., which actually refers to Joseph, and writes Haifa!), notes that page 111 writes, without a source, that Yehiel returned to France.

Disputation of Paris bibliography

 * Vikku'ah ed. Wagenseil (Tela Ignea Satanæ, Vol.2, 1681):
 * Echard (1708) pp. 572-600: [//books.google.com/books?id=cXRJhWm0s9kC&pg=PA572]
 * Grätz (1863):
 * Vol.7: pp. 112-117, 130: [//books.google.co.id/books?id=U1hbAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA112], Note 5 (p. 462): [//books.google.co.id/books?id=U1hbAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA462]
 * Acta Sanctorum (1868): [//books.google.com/books?id=km9CAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA359]
 * Lewin, Monatsschrift Vol. 1 [18] (1869):
 * [//books.google.com/books?id=f0ZDAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA97] / [//books.google.com/books?id=f0ZDAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA148] / [//books.google.com/books?id=f0ZDAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA193]
 * Vikkua'ah ed. Thorn 1873:
 * Kisch, Monatsschrift Vol. ? (1874):
 * / /  /  /
 * Separatabdruk, 1874: [//archive.org/details/papstgregordesne00kisc]
 * Loeb, RÉJ Vol. 1, 2, 3 (1880):
 * [//books.google.com/books?id=tvsoAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA247] / [//books.google.com/books?id=GHAtwG9ogC0C&pg=PA248] / [//books.google.com/books?id=IKuas1jHoZkC&pg=PA39]
 * A. D. (?), RÉJ Vol. 1 (1880): [//books.google.com/books?id=tvsoAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA140]
 * Vikku'ah ed. Lwow (Margulies, 1928): (1–11 [Digitized 4–14])
 * Galinsky, New Pespectives (2012): [//books.google.com/books?id=1VEzAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA109] (109–140: Moscow and Vatican mss.)

Other unused references

 * Hottinger, Cippi (1662): [//books.google.com/books?id=vy49AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA64] (Grave of Yehiel [sic])
 * Sauval: [//books.google.com/books?id=eHpapYGTh1UC&pg=RA2-PA33 Index], Vol. 2 pp. [//books.google.com/books?id=t3rBGFWowAkC&pg=PA526 526], 551
 * Basnage, Vol. 5 (1707): [//books.google.com/books?id=Sdo7AAAAcAAJ&pg=PT382]
 * Gross, Gallia Judaica (1897): [//books.google.com/books?id=ycsrAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA526] (s. v. Meaux)


 * Metzger & Metzger (1st article)