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source for NRHP listing dates after 2013
Your new article Hartman Hotel must have linked to something i created or something because it came up in my notices. I put citation needed tag onto your assertion that it was NRHP listed in 2018; the source cannot be NRIS database of 2010 version. It also cannot be NRIS database of 2018 or later version, because I do not believe you actually collected the database from the National Park Service or otherwise actually used that as your source. I assume you got it from the list-article of NRHPs in Columbus Ohio, but you can't cite Wikipedia as a source. FYI, when it was added there, the NRHP editor adding it would have been working through the latest-announced NRHP "weekly listings". See https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nationalregister/weekly-list.htm. Click on link from there to 2018 listings. I suggest you find the specific listing for Hartman Hotel and construct a reference for that. Hope this helps. --Doncram (talk) 10:25, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, still working on this article, not finished even with the stub phase. Annoyingly, the nomination isn't yet digitized on any website, so I'll just need to cite the weekly listing or a newspaper that it was added to the register. Yet there are plenty of other sources I can use to flesh out this article, no problem. ɱ  (talk) 11:53, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, it looks very good. Your new citation to what-is-now-a-big-document-of-all-2018-listings works fine. The article now seems to be asserting the hotel is the only surviving legacy of Samuel B. Hartman.  But there is Samuel B. Hartman's Hartman Stock Farm Historic District with some info about its 2,200 acres in the "Ohio Historic Places Dictionary" (follow instructions at wp:NRHPHELPOH).  Too bad the NRHP doc is not available for the hotel, yes, apparently. cheers, --Doncram (talk) 01:27, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure yet... As you likely know by now I aim to have an article for every site in the city, so will work on the stock farm article soon. Either enough has been demolished or it was not within Columbus boundaries in its historically significant period, or some other detail made it not included as one of the remaining Hartman properties in the city, as described by the NRHP nomination's author (writer of the book I cite). ɱ  (talk) 02:05, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Its historic horse barns, etc., seem to be what Hartman lived for, transferred wealth towards, and also seem to have been outside Columbus boundaries. Per the OHPD's good narrative and the NRHP nom for it (by Larry Alan Beers dated January 28, 1973 which is available at NARA) which provides photos and maps and details so that one could surely still find substantial structures to photo, etc.  Cites claim that it was the "'largest intensely cultivated, diversified farm in the world"', which like many other NRHP doc claims of firsts and biggests and so on, neither Beers nor whomever he cites could have possibly known, certainly disprovable.  NRHP docs plausible about details the writer sees, but not about worldwide claims. --Doncram (talk) 03:08, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed, yeah. Will start to work on this soon; the NRHP nomination is a little out-of-date at almost 50 years old now! So will scour some newer sources as well to see what remains today. ɱ  (talk) 03:11, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

M42 sub-basement
Hi, DYK has a requirement that the hook fact must have an inline cite. You could leave the cite there until after the main-page appearance. If you do not want to do this, I'll return the hook to prep and another hook, with an inline cite, will need to be found. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This is ridiculous, and goes against general Wikipedia guidelines. I'll self-revert for now, but I will take this up at a talk page, unless you know some clear rationale for it. ɱ  (talk) 21:04, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Take it up at WT:DYK. Yoninah (talk) 21:11, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

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DYK for M42 (sub-basement)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, congrats for the DYK and the article interesting to the thousands/millions passing through Grand Central. Reminds me that I created Park Avenue Viaduct a long time ago, and I see you edited there.  I thought I did a good job starting it, including what I thought was interesting mention of scene in I Am Legend movie, but that was eventually lost from the article. :(  --Doncram (talk) 04:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I am one of the main writers for the main Grand Central article, been my top single article edited. Been one of the most fascinating projects! ɱ  (talk) 05:37, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

referencing to Ohio docs and MPS/MRA docs
Hi, I see your new article C.E. Morris House includes a reference stating that it has a National Register of Historic Places nomination form, when that is not true, there is an Ohio state form instead. The substitution of a state or other local form in place of a full NRHP nomination form is relatively common (especially if additional documentation is provided in an MPS or MRA document). Of course you should adapt the semi-standard "nrhpdoc" reference to describe what you have, instead. Title, author, date should be accurate. Article currently has:

A small general matter is that the word "Form" should be omitted, in my opinion, as an editorial matter. The form itself should not include the word; given that it does appear in most NRHP documents, it still should be omitted. In this case there is no NRHP Registration form at all though.

This one should instead be something like:

I am glad you're developing Ohio historic site articles. Hope this helps. --Doncram (talk) 16:11, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

P.S. And what is called a "Multiple Property Submission" or "Multiple Resource Area" should also be referenced in the article, to provide context. I found this one easily in WikiProject workpage listing many of those, WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/MPS cover sheets (shortcut wp:MPS). This doc is at https://npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NRHP/64000619_text. (And note this URL was actually already provided in the NRHP infobox which you got from the NRHP infobox generator tool, because Elkman took the trouble to program in that matching.)

A reference for the main MRA document would be:

Note this provides further identification of Ohio form authors "Hunt" and "Mast". You should add this MRA reference into 20 or more articles that it supports. Note the MRA form includes at its end the listing of historic districts and individual properties that it nominated for NRHP listing, and shows dispositions (accepted, declined due to owner objection, etc.).

FYI, this is really just the "main" portion of the MRA submission; the separate pieces for each of the 20+ components are not included in the MRA's PDF. --Doncram (talk) 16:24, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, will take a look... ɱ  (talk) 18:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Wow, you are really cruising along. I revised a bit at Jonathan Noble House.

By the way, I am guessing you have a model NRHP document reference in a sandbox or somewhere, which you copy-paste in and adapt, which is sensible editing strategy, but yours apparently includes National Park Service as publisher when you are actually referring to documents published by National Archives, and apparently includes "accessdate=May 19, 2020".

Note that this copy-paste-able reference (copied from wp:NRHPHELPNARA which has more explanation about it) has an ever-updating accessdate, or at least it is updated whenever your browser cache reloads the page from scratch:

Hope you don't mind my suggestions. I hope saving a few keystrokes and/or more reliably avoiding small misstatements can pay off well, if you will keep marching along as you've been doing! cheers, --Doncram (talk) 04:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have mostly been cutting and pasting from earlier-written Columbus NRHP articles, adapting as need-be. Refs have never been too big a focus over content, but as I improve them I'll fix and expand the references. I now finished all of the registered sites in the city, by the way, except one listed in 2015. Without a nomination form listed online, this site has no available information, so I think I have to wait to write an article on it... ɱ  (talk) 05:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations! With 18,696 total views (and 1,558 views per hour), your hook on the M42 (sub-basement) and and its selection as "the safest place in New York during a nuclear strike" is one of the most viewed hooks for the month of January. Accordingly, it has been included at DYKSTATS January. All the more impressive since it was part of a 12-hour queue. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 08:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, wow, had no idea! ɱ  (talk) 16:26, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

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pushpin_map
User:2603:8081:1608:1c03:ac52:141:43d4:93f2 recently added  to many articles in that area, which you mass reverted with the summary "Not needed here". These maps allow the user to 'zoom out' of the area for larger locational context. What is "not needed" about them? ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 16:25, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly, an IP user mass-added these to articles with no discussion or consensus. For the most part, they just added another map of New York state that was superfluous to the existing New York map. This warrants discussion before such a widespread action, and in some cases it could be okay, but in many cases it was not. I'll also note that we have more advanced mapping techniques than this one implemented. You can open a discussion at WikiProject New York (state) or elsewhere. ɱ  (talk) 16:49, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In other words, it's not as cut-and-dry as adding in this pretty-outdated static mapping tool. You can use an interactive map, like Boston has, a split map, like Pittsburgh has, or achieve the same sort of switcher functionality using interactive maps as seen here, perhaps so new it hasn't seen article usage yet... All of these methods show much greater detail, down to street-level if needed, and to world-level if needed, in both ways far beyond what pushpin maps can do, along with showing boundaries and other data, and with an easy way to update and edit the maps, far, far easier than png or svg editing. It is up to the individual article editors, or a WikiProject, to decide what they prefer to best to represent their municipality or municipalities. ɱ  (talk) 17:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Discussion started @ WT:WikiProject New York (state).  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  18:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Location of Donald Trump Westchester House was removed.... by you
Hey M or MJ, it's High Atop here. I put in the location of Donald Trump's house in Winchester County because unlike other Donald Trump homes that property doesn't have its own Wikipedia page so there's no way to see where it is located. You took out that reference. It doesn't really matter to me (in fact, doesn't matter at all). But I'm curious, why take it out. It seems like that is relevant information, where the house is. And since it's easily discoverable and he doesn't live there it's not like I'm giving away a secret or invading his privacy. Respond or not, I'm mostly avoiding working just now and fooling around here so am fine if you just ignore this too. HighAtop94 (talk) 03:58, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


 * * Westchester! Also I just don't see this as standard on Wikipedia. Feel free to copy the information on the house into a new article, creating a stub on it. I've been thinking of doing that myself. In that case, the coords can be set for the infobox and/or article heading, where they're properly set. ɱ  (talk) 04:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


 * OK, or I may not, maybe back to work. Thanks for responding and keeping Wikipedia good. And of course delete this message if you want, it is your talk page after all. HighAtop94 (talk) 04:02, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

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Your archive links
Hello, I found your talk page at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York (state). I've just updated your talk page archive links so all your archives are linked from the main talk page. Hope you don't mind and hope I didn't mess anything up. Automatic archiving does not go well with manual archive display. Graham 87 18:16, 11 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I am notoriously bad at following up on things like this. ɱ  (talk) 18:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Outline of Columbus, Ohio
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Concern regarding Draft:Countdown clock
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DYK for Tiffany & Co. flagship store
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NRHP tables
I've been able to figure out some coding for a table that only sorts on the desired columns. I've got it at User:Hog Farm/sanbox/NRHP table. Still working on figuring out the exact syntax for getting images to appear as desired, and then the next step will be adding color. Based on the comments at that FLC, it might be best to add another column to the tables. Since colorblindness and similar things would make it difficult to distinguish listing type, it's probably going to be useful to have a template column that states the type like NHL and such, in addition to the color. Which should be doable. Hog Farm Talk 05:36, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Update: I've jerry-rigged it to include color, a key, and inline links to the NRIS pages and commons categories. The code is a little ugly, but it generally works. Hog Farm Talk 06:24, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

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Court of Master Sommeliers
Yeah, that has been occurring to me too ... I simply had no idea, when I read the Vice article a week ago, just how deep of a dive I would go into on this, but I should have, since the existing coverage was so minimal.

I am actually thinking, since there are so many sources and as the recency of the Vice article demonstrates, there is continuing interest in the time since the exam was held (and I think there will be more once the pandemic has lessened enough for the exams to resume ... like, will the Court extend the ban on Nichols and the other guy retaking the exam another two, three, whatever years to account for these years in which the exam wasn't held at all so not being allowed to take it was not really a punishment? Will that look arbitrary and capricious? Would/could he/they sue?), we could take a third option: spinning the section off into a separate article. I think that would work. Daniel Case (talk) 21:38, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Saks Fifth Avenue flagship store
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Requesting an examination of the Draft:Lee Olesky page
Hi, I am a COI editor that has been working on Draft: Lee Olesky. I noticed that you stated that you have "good experience dealing with financially conflicted editors," and that you did some paid editing for Interactive Brokers, which might make you a good choice of editor to take a look at the draft. I hope you can bring the draft to main space, but if not, would you please explain to me what else I can do to get the article ready for main space? I would appreciate greatly whatever time and consideration you can give to this article. Thanks so much. RossAric (talk) 15:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * - thanks for seeking out advice. My best suggestion to you is to try to have Olesky's personal biography written about in newspapers and other reliable online media (though not in press releases). If he's an interesting person who has innovated during his career, then perhaps press will want to cover him. Right now, the article doesn't really describe any specific actions he took, beside in founding Tradeweb. These faults, along with the fact that -only- financial news seems to cover him, may lead your draft to fail, and you may need to wait until better sources and information comes. But you did do a great job linking, providing inline citations, and other formatting functions. There are a few other minor things - the image does not appear to be traceable to a photographer. Do you know who took the photo, and if they released it in a free license? Wikipedia requires images to be freely licensed to allow for open republishing, among other reasons. I can guide you into how to properly license it so it won't be deleted. Lastly, the lead sentence is usually a paragraph or two, that summarizes the entire article. Please let me know if you have any questions. ɱ  (talk) 21:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Apple Fifth Avenue
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Central Police Station building
I used bold in Columbus City Hall (Ohio) to indicate that Central Police Station building (Columbus, Ohio) is currently a redirect to that article, per MOS:BOLDREDIRECT. Not sure there's enough information to support a unique article for the old CPSB.  General Ization Talk  05:37, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * (But hey, you could easily surprise me with what you can turn up on it.)  General Ization Talk  05:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced they're similar enough to warrant redirection to the city hall page. I think redirection to a small paragraph in the civic center article could work, but I'm confident I can create an article on 77 N Front St, or especially an article on the Columbus Division of Police headquarters, which would mention the old building in detail as well. ɱ  (talk) 13:52, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * OK. BTW, you may know this, but the old building's working address appears to have been 120 [W] Gay (versus 120 Marconi, the new CPD HQ address, or 77 N Front, the new address of the CPSB with its 2012 glass façade curtain wall and the City Commons on the east).  General Ization  Talk  18:04, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Some info on the renovation. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization  <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 18:06, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's an angle I'm curious about: "Connecting 77 North Front Street to City Hall is a new 120-foot pedestrian tunnel that sits 20 feet under West Gay Street. To alleviate logistical and operational concerns at City Hall, construction of the tunnel was expedited to be completed in a six-week time window in which city council was not in session." I'm curious whether this tunnel was actually a reclamation/renovation of the former tunnel used to move prisoners back and forth to Muni Court from the CPSB, or if it was truly a new tunnel. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 18:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

It's a shame about 145 S Front. I assume you saw this. Haven't heard anything more about it since the Columbus Partnership agreed to exercise their option (which they were about to lose) to buy it for peanuts in late 2019. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 00:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC)


 * All very interesting, thanks for the info! ɱ  (talk) 00:54, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Stable version - inappropriate usage
Hi, with reference to this edit, the edit summary of which refers to defending a "stable version", please note that: More information is at WP:STABLE. Per WP:ES, let's try to stick to meaningful edit summaries. --Cornellier (talk) 17:55, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Lol, I don't have to reference Wiki lingo in what I write. "Stable" literally means "firmly established" and "firm in resolution". The first few sentences in the lead have been debated, discussed, and worked on to the point of near-perfection. Your changes interrupt that, and remove aspects that are clear Wikipedia norms, like including the name in other languages, giving the full dates of birth and death, and briefly describing an unfamiliar term instead of just linking to it. ɱ  (talk) 13:09, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Location of D Trump's Seven Springs -- why'd ya take it out?
Hey MJ, I noticed you took out the location of Seven Springs in the Wikipedia article about the Residences of Donald Trump on January 30 of this year. You said it was original research. I don't really care but, um.. I don't get how it's original research. It seems like a fact, where a building is. The Wikipedia article about what is original research (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research) doesn't seem to cover this. And if you go to Wikipedia articles for other Trump Residences those articles indicate where those buildings are without a citation. Why won't you allow us to show where this estate is in this article? If I wrote an article about Seven Springs and put in a location at the top right would you take that out? HighAtop94 (talk) 01:45, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "Original research" can refer to facts, yes. But it means you came to a conclusion through your own research, and therefore are putting information into Wikipedia that is not backed up by another source. Please read Verifiability, not truth. Regardless, it's somewhat improper to put coordinates into an article's body. If you did create your own article on Seven Springs, yes I wouldn't as much mind the coordinates set in the infobox and article heading rather than the body or lead paragraphs. ɱ  (talk) 13:37, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll of course drop this and/but I do want to point out, it seems like the issue is not that where Seven Springs is located is original research (most other locations, Big Ben, White House, are similarly not "sourced" and this location can be sourced by i) looking at the property's website, ii) looking at a map, iii) even comparing the picture in articles about the house with birds eye views from mapping providers or iv) look at homes of the rich and famous websites (https://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/donald-trump-s-seven-springs-estate/view/google/)). Rather, it seems your objection has to do with style: you don't want to have a location as a footnote, as additional information, in an article. I think that's wrong but acknowledge that what you think is more likely to be right, at least Wikipedia wise.
 * But still, I'm pointing this out to you, a leader at Wikipedia, because that kind of rule could have bad results. It could limit the capacity of Wikipedia to contain information (violating The_essence_of_Wikipedia and Purpose) or it could result in an explosion of pages (article about Donald's Trump's weekend home only because there is not any other way to record the fact of where it is located). And this home location is not trivial: does the fact that the home is commutable to NYC help people understand the controversy whether it is a commercial property, does the fact that it straddles two towns impact restrictions on placed on it, does a politician's home near a reservoir and preserved land impact environmental policy? I'm a person who is into where things are (OK, except sometimes my house keys :), I, for example, put footnotes with race start and stop location in the article on the Cannonball Baker Sea-To-Shining-Sea Memorial Trophy Dash. It seems to me someone reading about a race would like to know its origin and destination; it similarly seems someone reading about a house would like to know where it is. If that info is in the public domain we should provide it.
 * Anyway, I'm happy to concede the point if you don't agree, thanks for engaging with me. HighAtop94 (talk) 18:31, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

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