User talk:とある白い猫/Archive/2006/05

PKK
I've read the archive 1 of the PKK articles Talk Page and all I can say is that you are highly biased. I do not think you should be contributing to the PKK article. The information you provide is inaccurate on every section of the article. I think this biased is due to the event you have included in during you in the GAP project. You also very oftenly use in your arguments the fact that Turgut Ozal had Kurdish ties but you do not mention that by many it is believed that he was murdered. What you provide for the article has a POV and I would like to ask you to stop your hatred on the PKK and Kurds because I as a Kurd see what you call a Terrorist Organisation a solution to the Kurdish Problem. Finally, you've said that it is not a bad idea for the Turkish nationalist to force everyone to be one nationality. I am sorry but that is not the way it is. There is over 20 million Kurds in Turkey and many do not want to be called Mountain Turks. What Ataturk did was a big mistake he tried to make everyone Turkish, he couldn't accept differences and I see a problem there, I see a big mistake that is still continuing. Ozgurgerilla 09:08, 1 May 2006
 * Frankly, I think you must not be telling which articles I or anyone shouldn't edit.
 * I also do not understand why the heck are you sharing your beliefs with me. From what I can see you are at least ten times more biased than myself.
 * -- Cat chi? 13:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I have the freedom to ask somebody to not contribute on a particular article if I believe that person is biased. Because I have close ties with the PKK I do not want to contribute on the PKK article. I believe you have national sympathy towards the Turks, at the least, I dig this from your contributions. Please let people with NPOV to contribute. I take your "at least ten times more biased" comment as nonsense. Ozgurgerilla 04:24, 2 May 2006
 * You are correct, "at least ten times more biased" comment was indeed nonsense.
 * People do not have NPOV. WP:NPOV is a wikipedia policy which dictates articles be written in a neutral tone. For instance calling PKK a "terrorist" organisation is out of the question. It is also out of the question to declare it as a "freedom fighting" organisation.
 * You do not have the freedom to ask anyone not contribute on a particular article as per WP:NPOV, WP:CIVIL, and a large number of non-negotiable wikipedia policies.
 * I have sympathy towards Turks, Kurds, Greeks, Americans, Japanese, and a long list of people. I believe it would be imposible for me to edit any wikipedia article if that was a problem.
 * You are welcome to cycle through my contributions, I have nothing to hide. If you check deep enough, you will discover that I have reverted people adding "terrorist" referance to articles such as the PKK, or Sep 11th attacks. What you may not see is the deletions I have gotten involved. I have for example recently gotten Category:Kurdish Terrorists deleted. I also gotten Category:Turkish Terrorists deleted.
 * So as a new editor please do not attempt to dictate what I can do and cannot do. If you want to work with me, you are welcome to do so. If so, how can I help you?
 * -- Cat chi? 17:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

IRC bot
Hi. I've ask you, some time ago, to put a irc bot on wikipedia-pt-vandalism. Is it working properly ? I cannot send commands to the bot (actually i dont remenber what commands it accepts. lijealso 00:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I'll add you to the bots database so you have access. Saying Computer Help in channel will give you the list of the commands you can use. -- Cat chi? 13:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok. My IRC nick is the same as my username: "lijealso". Thanks. lijealso 20:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You now have full access :) -- Cat chi? 05:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Turkey-geo-stub
It has been split as you suggested, so if you feel like helping in the sorting or recruiting others, you're more than welcome. :) Aelfthrytha 05:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the barnstar. I'm glad you enjoy my contributions. (^_^) --日本穣 Nihonjoe 19:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Blended wing spacecraft
I've seen all of Planetes (twice!) and I'm rather familiar with NASA, so I feel qualified to comment on this ... NASA sure as hell didn't lift the design for the blended wing spacecraft from an anime. Designs of that nature have been kicking around for decades. If anything, Planetes used the real-life prototypes as a model for their vision of what spacecraft might look like in the future. If you watch the extras discs on the special edition DVDs you'll see that they conducted various interviews with NASA to make sure they got all of their science right. So Planetes took the design from NASA, not the other way around. -- Cyde Weys 20:00, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That is of course true. Creating an aircraft design is a delicate, tiring process requiring lots of hard work and donuts. NASA of course didn't steal the designs.
 * I am only fascinated that something thats seen on the show has a very good chance of becoming an actual ship. It is an exciting era, isnt it?
 * -- Cat chi? 20:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Teika formatting
Remember Fujiwara no Teika? Well, I'm trying to get those nice little boxes you set up to be in the center instead of left-aligning (I've asked around, and people find center aligning better, apparently), but I can't figure out how- the relevant code already says "center". --maru  (talk)  contribs 05:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Aye aye, done. :) -- Cat chi? 08:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Nihongo
What damage are we taling about? -- Cat chi? 23:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think all articles in question should be modified to be more compatible with my change. Taking care of repetive usage is the point of templates. -- Cat chi? 23:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

It's late, I'll explain tomorrow. Basically all the articles used the template with "it is known as !"$%£ in Japanese" and you changed it to "it is known as Japanese:!"$%£ in Japanese". Yeah. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 23:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. Still I think "it is known in japanese" is unnecesary. We can just use the format I came up with. -- Cat chi? 23:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Your change does not work into good English. It is very difficult to make a defunct label work into context. And it isn't your template, all edits are equal. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 23:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I am going to fucking sleep. I will deal with this tomorrow. Please leave it until I can sort this out. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 23:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no one forcing you to respond immidiately. When I post on a talk page I expect people to respond at the most convinient time to them. Please be civil.
 * My change works fine with english. I have been using that syntax on a very large number of articles. Take a look at List of Oh My Goddess episodes and all linked episode pages (aside from ovas).
 * Any template I create or make significant change becomes "my template" in a conversation for easy referance. Saying "my" is much more conviniant than repetively typing out the templats name. This doesnt mean I own them of course.
 * -- Cat chi? 09:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Fine, I'm sorry it was 1am and I was tired. Is there any way we can come to a compromise? Could we have to separate templates? It's just completely fecked up articles that use paragraphs. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 10:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, we can rewrite every paragraph to make them better. I vote for that option. All I want is whats best for wikipedia. The syntax I propose has been the standard I observed.
 * We do not have to follow either suggestion. I just feel a sentence is redundent when its talking about the japanese meaning in a lenghty tone which could also be achieved with one word: (Japanese: )
 * -- Cat chi? 14:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * All that does is trap editors into having rewrite a sentence a particular way because of it. Now you can have Japanese shoved at the front of another template, but please at least leave one that still functions fine alone to at least preserve the thousands of articles it would damage. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 14:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, lets get one thing straight. I am not trying to disrupt wikipedia nor trapping anyone. Your hostile attitide is starting to bother me.
 * It is possible to rewrite the 'thousands of articles' with a bot in a few seconds so thats not an issue either. So there is no damage.
 * So what is the issue, that I dont understand.
 * -- Cat chi? 15:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I also do not see a single article my modification "breaks" -- Cat chi? 15:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Heja helweda
I think you have had some experience with this user adding information that is not properly sourced. I would appreciate it if you could have a look at Talk:History_of_the_Kurds where he is trying to add this rather large paragraph based on this article on "findarticles.com" which in my opinion is not academic at all, article is full of "I think"s and the author has made up conclusions which I think should not be put on Wikipedia.

Perhaps I am wrong here, but I read that Jimbo insists that for anything disputable there has to be SOLID and VERIFABLE sources, not what "Sheikh Dawresh Kalesh" (Google search = 0) would say and how the author has claimed that it is infact, true!..

Anyway you might also want to check out Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#.

Thanks, -- - K a s h  Talk 11:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You may want to add this to the rfc I filed. Seek arbitration if he insists on being disruptive. I can offer little assistance at this point as I got my hands full, sorry. -- Cat chi? 19:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

blocked
I have blocked you for 48 hours for violating the ArbCom ruling about disruptive edits in Kurd-related areas as brought up recently on AN/I. Take the time to cool off, and come back more receptive to community consensus please. -lethe talk [ +] 13:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Ban on kurd-related editing

 * As your mentor, I'm letting Lethe's block stand, and I'm taking the step of banning you from editing, creating or nominating for deletion any articles, categories or templates related to the kurds.  This is for an initial period of one week to be extended indefinitely if the other two mentors agree.


 * This ban doesn't restrict your use of related talk pages. --Tony Sidaway 05:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You have banned me from editing articles... something I havent done in ages. Yur ban is over ONE cfding of a category. You have also banned me from voting.... -- Cat chi? 07:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Should you return to participating in Kurd-related talk pages I would ask you to make reasonable arguments and to not simply oppose efforts of others who may not share your views. It would seem that admins agree that there has been a pattern of editing here that warrants this remedy -- it is not a simple case of ONE CFD. I personally was annoyed that the CFD appeared to be a direct response to my having used the category. FWIW, I don't see anything above that would indicate that you're being disenfranchised, only that you should not nominate a Kurd-related category for deletion. --Moby 09:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * DON'T PATRONISE ME! -- Cat chi? 09:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Mgm has opposed the ban. As he is one of the two other mentors, I've rescinded the ban pending further discussion. --Tony Sidaway 15:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I am still blocked so I cant participate in that discussion. -- Cat chi? 15:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Southeastern_Anatolia_Project
I believe the criticisim setcion is not in accordance with wikipedias NPOV policy. . I do not believe Southeastern_Anatolia_Project was built just to inconviniance kurds or destroy historic sites (turkey is full of historic sites on every corner especialy on river beds for perhaps obvious reasons)

Since people are decently quick to revert my edits, just like davenbelle. Thought you may want to look at it.

-- Cat chi? 07:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I'm a bit too busy with other stuff to help out right now. If you need a speedy response, I suggest you talk to someone else. - Mgm|(talk) 07:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I can wait. Besides, I'd prefer the touch of MacGyver Magic in this matter ;) -- Cat chi? 08:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish deletion nomination
We have 3 categories created to mark places where kurds supposively are a majority. My deletion nominations were not in bad faith. Two of the categories were created by a suspected sockpuppet of a user that has been banned for a serious amount of time.

The other (last nom) was created as a comprimise per my request. But I later decided categorising by ethnicity is a bad idea given we do not have any verifiable demographics data on kurds.

Also no where else do we categorise based on ethnicity, however we have articles for census data.

I just wanted to make my standing clear.

-- Cat chi? 07:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I apologise for questioning the faith of your CfD nominations. As you can see, I do agree with you that ethnic geography categories are a bad idea. In fact the most recent nomination was probably the most clear-cut (it made no grammatical sense as a category name). I can understand the frustration of Kurdish editors, though I do not know how we can resolve this issue. TheGrappler 17:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats ok, no real harm done. Though I wouldnt mind if you stated something parallel to that comment on the nomination pages.
 * I am currently dealing with User:Moby Dick, but aside from that I am not certain how to handle editors who appear to be campaigning in categorising teritory with the basis of weather or not its kurdish.
 * The deletion process may fail and we may have 3 different kurdish territory categories as people are assuming bad faith in their votes now by panic keeping... I do not believe in wiki-politics but I do not beieve I should be renominating them if that happens. I am open for suggestions.
 * -- Cat chi? 18:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Public apologies are now listed at the nominations page. Good faith now well and truly assumed :) TheGrappler 19:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comment! I really appriciate it. What I appriciate more is the good faith tho. It takes courage to apologise publicaly, a courage I often lack :( -- Cat chi? 19:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kurdish provinces Category:Kurdish cities Category:Kurdish inhabited region
Do you follow my rationale regarding my attempts for deletion of kurdish inhabited region categories?

We dont even have any census data for the Kurds. We cant categorise demographics based on supersticion, rumors or beliefs right?

Even with a census we do not tag D.C. as a black city that would be asking for trobble. Instead census data is presented via maps and other means. See: United States Census, 2000

Also you should realise the other two categories were created by a user who is a suspected sockpuppet of another

-- Cat chi? 08:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Many U.S. cities have black neighborhoods, Jewish neighborhoods or Chinatowns. --Uncle Ed 22:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes none are categorised as "Black inhabited region", "jewish inhabited region", "white inhabited region" etc.
 * Just categorising New York based on ethnicity can easily be a nightmare. You know... questions such as "What percentage qualifies to be a black city" etc.. What about "half breeds" and the "other"?
 * -- Cat chi? 23:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Also feel free to join the discusion at Talk:Diyarbakır and the capital of Turkish Kurdistan. This may be the first step in someone else understanding my concerns.
 * First it starts with Category:Kurdistan (which was bad enough as far as I care), then we have a Turkish Kurdistan, then we have Diyarbakır becoming a kurdish dominant city.... and now Diyarbakır is the capital of Turkish Kurdistan.
 * -- Cat chi? 23:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Need Help
I know you help newcomers and I am not one, do you know how to delete the "contents" table? I'd love to delete it from my userpage --Argentino (talk/cont.) 20:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Add __NO TOC__ anywhere to the page.  See How_to_edit_a_page. -lethe talk [ +] 20:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * __NO TOC__ would do that, I have done so for you. -- Cat chi? 20:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much --Argentino (talk/cont.) 20:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kurdish inhabited region deletion nom
Yes it was initialy a comprimise but after seeing the Kurdish Cities and Kurdish Provinces cat I realised what we are doing or trying to do with this category can be quie problematic. No wehere else do we categorise by ethnicity even when we have census data establish ethnicity rations. For kurds we dont even have that. All we have is an asumption that kurds dominate random cities, provinces, and other places. -- Cat chi? 19:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but there should be some category for Kurds. I mean, there must be some reliable sources out there that confirm that they're a majority in certain cities or provinces. Also, is there any way to fix the Turkish people page? If "Turkish" is only a nationality as you said before, than the two main ethnic groups in Turkey are Kurds and...? Please explain, thanks. &mdash; Khoikhoi 03:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * There are no reliable sources to determine if kurds are a majority anywhere in the midle east. There was never a census. Take a look at United States Census, 2000. That gives us reliable info regarding ethnicity, even with that we do not tag based on ethnicity.
 * This isnt about weather or not kurds are a majority. This is about us tagging based on ethnicity. We do not do anything like this on the rest of wikipedia. Consider me tagging all cities and provinces of [France]], Germany and many other nations with a "White inhabited region" category. Or much better consider how hard it would be to tag cities like Jerusalem.
 * -- Cat chi? 09:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kurdish inhabited region
Hi, I'd like to inquire why is this category useful? -- Cat chi? 09:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Kurds don't have own state; they are split between several countries, so this category is natural replacement of what could be category:Subdivisions of Kurdistan, like there is Category:Subdivisions of Russia. As for your argument, "we do not do this for other ethnicities", every rule has exceptions. Special cases do exist in the real world. For example, there are Jews, who organize information about themselves in wikipedia in a unique way. `'mikka (t) 15:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The native americans, african americans, aborigines (australia), dozens of other ethnicities throughout the planet lack a state. If kurds dont have a state, they dont have a state and categorising them as if they have a state would be bad practice.
 * Kurdistan has no defined borders. Any border we talk about is circumstantial and someone else can easily come up with more expanded borders or something much smaller. Furthermore for the case of kurds we have no way of knowing how many there are nor do we know on which cities they are a majority.
 * Your Category:Subdivisions of Russia example is inconclusive. While I am not not certain exactly how Subdivisions of Russia works, from what I understand the government does not object to this kind of grouping. I suspect it has to do with population ratios and climate, not ethnicity occupation percentages. It is nothing like the case of Kurdistan.
 * You should understand categories are binary in nature, Kurds either live at a place or they don't. Categorising to this end can be highly contraversial. Which cities would fall under a Kurdistan? Who determines which cities qualify? You? Me? Some other random user? If there is a necesity to 'organize information' a wikiproject, or an article, or something in a userspace can handle that. Same thing can also be achieved with a paragraph on Kurdistan. Something along the line as 'foo source claims these provinces to be in kurdistan'. We do not tag New York to be a jewish city under such a category.
 * -- Cat chi? 22:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "categorising them as if they have a state would be bad practice." - I am afraid, colleague, you are excessively politicizing the issue. Wikipedia is not an advisor at UN and categirzing in this way does not give any legitimacy for ideas of "Greated Kurdistan" or whatever. If certain settlements are traditionally classified as having significant kurdish population, it is a fact and can be categorized. And I see no problem in categorizing places where Australian aborigenes still live unassimilated. I would find this useful as well. Thank you for the idea. `'mikka (t) 04:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, of course we are not the UN, but that is not the point. The political aspect surrounding Kurdistan should not be ignored and instead should be taken into account when categorising. Some people living in SE Turkey whelmingly and even violenly oppose a Kurdistan while others whelmingly and even violently support a Kurdistan.
 * I am not being excessive. I just want to keep the politics from both sides (pro-Kurdistan or anti-kurdistan) off of the articles. I'd rather not have a dozen pov forks. The Kurdistan issue can be discussed in articles like Kurdistan, Kurds in Turkey, Kurdish nationalism etc.
 * As for "categorising them as if they have a state would be bad practice." comment, I was merely trying to point out my POV. I do not try to hide my POV as I prefer objective insight from other parties, in this case you.
 * Currently we are categorising Rome, and Stockholm under the Category:Kurdish inhabited region. Needless to say Stockholm and Hakkari don't have much in common aside from being human settlements, they arent even on the same continent. There are no 'traditional' cities classified. We have no reliable source to categorise, not even a census. Your word is as good as mine when we tag articles with this category. That was the hole point I was trying to emphacise.
 * I also fail to see the usefullness of categorising based on ethnicity. I am not trying to pull your leg but I honestly do not see the benefit it brings.
 * Oh and btw please respond on my talk page too so I know when you post a response. :)
 * -- Cat chi? 22:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Help me!
Hello! I'm a Persian Wikipedian and I wanna build a robot, but I like to build a one in English Wikipedia. So Can you help to make a bot step by step??? Thanks a lot! --MehranVB 17:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * What is the language code of persian wikipedia? I can modify my bot with a few commands to monitor persian wikipedia. -- Cat chi? 22:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The code of persian wikipedia is fa. But my mind is having a robot for myself. (In other words I wanna build a new robot, but I don't know how??? I downloaded the Python but what's the next step???)

Thanks a lot!--MehranVB 08:11, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I know little about phython, but per your request I have modified my bot to moitor Persian wikipedia for vandalism.
 * You can use the bot on #wikipedia-fa-vandalism on irc.freenode.net
 * If you need any other help, I'll be more than willing to assist.
 * -- Cat chi? 22:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Photos
Wikipedia must contains pictures. Wikipedia community published Mohammed's cartoons in the name of freedom of speech. Ruzgar 20:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, and there are many others such as myself who thinks of that to be problematic.
 * I do not feel it is necesary to display photos on the PKK page. The terrorism PKK commited can be expressed with words, the Mohammed cartoons cannot. Generaly pictures of bloodshed and/or corpses are only necessary when there arent convincing arguments.
 * I understand exactly how you feel about the PKK, and I share your feelings to a degree however I do not believe the pictures are aproporate on the article.
 * -- Cat chi? 22:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

PKK photo
Hi. The same picture is also at the Civilian casualties caused by PKK article. &mdash; Khoikhoi 22:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think such a picture may be approporate on an article talking about the deceaced in the conflict. However, I do not believe it is absolutely necesary. A statistic can be much more encyclopedic.
 * I do not want to make contraversial edits on any article related to kurds since people do not seem to appriciate my efforts as it is apperant on the WP:ANB/I. I wont be intimidated by anyone. I will continue to make an effort to keep pov pushers at bay and continue to be vigilant however now I realise I should also be carefull. People seem to be trying very hard to find fault or a hidden agenda in my actions. Some are devoting their entier contribution to this end. I will not give them the satisfaction they seek.
 * Do not misunderstand me, I have no quarrel with you on the contrary I respect you greatly. In fact I find your assistance most comforting when dealing with issues regarding the kurds. I have however restrictions levied on me by the ArbCom which makes it very easy for problematic users to get me blocked as we see on the recent WP:ANB/I issue. I didn't used to worry about the arbcom ruling since my stalkers left me alone, though it appears that wasn't really the case. You do not have such restrictions and you are free to edit (of course wikipedia policies apply). So if you like we can work much closer. If I detect a problematic behaviour, I can notify you and you can take action if its ok with you. What do you say?
 * -- Cat chi? 23:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I hate to break it to you, but I'm on probation as well. However, fell free to contact me whenever you want. BTW, have you seen this? ("Togrol" means "Turk" in Kurdish) &mdash; Khoikhoi 23:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be suprised if that guy cmes up with ten thousand sockpuppets. The more desperate he gets the better. I have tricks I spare for the desperate only. :)
 * Oh. Btw, I believe Togrol is also a popular name in Turkey. In Kurdish Turks are often referanced as Tirk. That is, at least in one of the dialects... I generaly see each dialect as a seperate language as they are so distant from each other.
 * In any case, what are your restrictions?
 * -- Cat chi? 02:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Cool Cat
CoolCat,I am a friend of thewolfstar. She has asked me to ask you to please help her. She along with Merecat and many others have been blocked unfairly with no procedure followed. Thewolfstar's page is protected now, too. She and Merecat are now blocked indefinitely. Thewolfstar's unblock code has been removed by her blockers. Bishonen is involved and Swatjester, both known low-lives. Please help thewolfstar and please help Merecat. I know you hate junior highers like Bishonen and Schvatjester. Thanks Coolcat. Many like you are being blocked and extermminated left and right. It's clear that any dissenting view on Wikipedia is not allowed. Your friend in war and peace, Lamb of god 22:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * As a personal policy, I will offer any assitance I can to whoever is in distress. However I have to point out I am not sure what are you expecting me to do.
 * From a short investigation:
 * User:Merecat is a suspected sockpuppet of User:Rex071404 (or the other war around).
 * The pattern of simmilar edits imply convincingly that the two editors are infact the same person. There is also a checkuser report that basicaly verifying the theory. I'll need some sort of proof or evidence suggesting the contrary to be able to do anything. For instance if this is a case where a shared computer is used by the two people editing or a case where both users use a dynamic IP range, it would be possible to consider getting them unblocked.
 * The procedure in dealing with sockpuppets is instant block often without warning.
 * User:Thewolfstar has been blocked repetively for personal attacks.
 * Apperantly he was refering fellow editors as "Nazi".
 * I do not tollerate personal attacks of any kind directed at anyone for any purpose. You must provide a damn good reason for me to even consider assisting this person.
 * I would also like to clarify a matter. I do not hate any fellow editor including User:Lethe who had blocked me for 48 hours in the past week. Even though his attempts were misguided, he was trying to protect wikipedia from what appeared to be a disruptive user. Sufficive to say, I am not disruptive. People like me are not exterminated, only often mistreated. So long as people follow policy and assume good faith they will prevail.
 * -- Cat chi? 23:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * If instead of conspiracy theories and accusations of being low-lifes, I saw some indication that there was intent of good faith from these blocked editors, I would consider looking at the case. As it stands, Lamb of God seems to be heading down the same road. -lethe talk [ +] 09:03, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The number of users (Thewolfstar etc..)
Care to fill me in? I am kinda curious what 'evil' you have supposively done. :) -- Cat chi? 01:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi there, Kawai neko! Not sure what "the number of users" refers to? But let me break down my offences for you:


 * If you read thewolfstar's talkpage archive here, you will get a goood picture of my crimes. I know it's long and, uh, kind of repetitious, but just do a search for "Bishonen". As you can see, the posts from me are few; I soon decided that arguing with TWS was too surrealist for me, I'm impatient that way. But the discussions of me are pretty comprehensive! ;-)
 * It was me who blocked TWS indefinitely as having exhausted the community's patience, here. Do click on the link I give there to the block log, it's kind of hair-raising. The ANI thread, which is linked to in the message, is also very telling. Unfortunately it's been archived from the ANI page, so you'll have have to use the diff to the first post that's supplied in block message.
 * And thirdly: yesterday I blocked User:Lamb of god as an obvious sock (or possibly meatpuppet). It's not editing from the same IP, but the CheckUser arbitrator that I consulted laughed at the idea that it would not be a sock. And indeed, I'm convinced the community will uphold the block. That reminds me I need to go post it on WP:ANI.


 * That's it, enjoy your reading. Bishonen | talk 08:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC).
 * "the number of users" was refering to multiple users (puppet or not) complaining about you for blokcing them.
 * It appears clear second thoughts are not necesary in this case. You didnt really had to give a lenghty response. :)
 * In any case thank you for your time.
 * -- Cat chi? 17:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Diyarbakır
Maybe you can fix this:. The reference came out strangely rendered for me. --Moby 07:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Kurd category
-- - K a s h  Talk 15:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * actually there is a whole series of it!, list at -- -  K a s h  Talk 15:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know. Also please check your email. -- Cat chi? 15:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Planetes Episode 12.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Planetes Episode 12.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

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fair use warning thing
I do not know if thats an automated script or not but I generaly consider it bad practice to warn the user the second they upload the image... Especialy people like me who generaly upload mass number of images first and THEN add the rationales... -- Cat chi? 18:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, didn't realize you had just uploaded it a minute before. --Rory096 18:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * :P Well i guess that makes you watchfull ^_^. Sorry I often get tense during my edit storms. -- Cat chi? 18:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Dynamo ace/User AMG
I have detected and improved the template as per your request. I have also moved it to your userspace and the reason is strictly to evade an unnecesary ruckus. Userboxes are often treated with little dignity these days. -- Cat chi? 22:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well... did you like it? :) -- Cat chi? 13:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes i do, thanks for the recoluring and icon to the userbox, its looks much better. Could you see if it can be catagoraized (like with other userboxes)
 * Also, i been fidling around with a screencap program and got some good screencaps of Sakyo Mishmia which would be better than the ones on the article, do you want them uploaded?
 * -Dynamo_ace Talk
 * Sure, I'll categorise it.
 * I do not know what to say untill I see the screen cap. :)
 * -- Cat chi? 15:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Incivility
I consider the suggestion of WP:FLRC as a response to another featured list I wrote to be incivil and frankly rude.

It takes a lot of effort to create a featured list. FLC is to create better, nicer better organised lists. Objections should have a basis aside from personal taste. There is no 'standard' template for lists.

-- Cat chi? 15:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Huh? I honestly don't get your point. My point was that there is a procedure to remove lists that don't deserve to be featured. That means that any featured list is not "untouchable." Maybe some lists met the standards when they were nominated but now the standards might be higher and the list does not meet them anymore. I am trying to say that using old featured list as the golden standard is not such a good practice. Simply, if there is something to improve about a list, it should be. Renata 16:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I am well aware of the procedure, there is no need to mention it in a FAC. I never implied it was "untochable". You might have your own standards but flc does not. After a point it is a matter of taste and thats something quite contraversial.
 * What do you suggest in place of the dvd cover images? Episode screenshots?
 * -- Cat chi? 17:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I asked a couple of users what they think and so far I got no response. But I believe screenshots would be better. Renata 18:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm actualy I can give you the answer. On List of Oh My Goddess episodes, article originaly had screenshots of individual episodes. During the featured nomination people said that was a violation of fair use and hence I started using dvd covers. That is why I started using dvd covers. Plus we use less images this way. -- Cat chi? 18:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-hell
I modified the page accordingly as it was broken on my browser. I hope you dont mind. :) -- Cat chi? 22:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the fix, and for the notice of it! Cheers! BD2412  T 22:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * In return may I ask for a small favor. If interested I have two lists I'd like to have copy edited. I have been staring it for soo long I no longer see the mistakes... You know how it goes...
 * Articles are FMA list (FLC) Planetes list (FLC)
 * -- Cat chi? 22:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Will do in about an hour - have to finish a draft reply to an appeal, and go pick up the missus. Cheers! BD2412  T 22:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

User dispute
Would you mind looking into a user dispute? I have a rather lenghty evidence I posted at ANB/I that has been siting there for some time now.

I believe user:Moby Dick is also stalking me. An arbitration hearing found Davenbelle to be stalking. I feel User:Moby Dick is a user:Davenbelle sockpuppet and hence is attempting to evade arbitration restrictions.

I assumed you would volunteer to investigate. -- Cat chi? 19:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if you think he's a sockpuppet, I'd think the first place to go would be RfCu... --InShaneee 23:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok done, see: Requests for comment/Moby Dick -- Cat chi? 09:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in here, but I think InShaneee meant a checkuser request (RFCU)- obviously you've already done that. A RFC probably isn't out of place anyway. You might also want to point out the ANI post and any talk pages discussions as evidence of trying to and failing to solve the dispute, if you think they are relevant. Petros471 10:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * ACK. I will do as you ask and point the ANI discussion. Should I pull back the rfc? -- Cat chi? 11:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I for one would be interested to see if anyone does actually have any comments to make first. Petros471 13:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Very well. However the RfC procedure requires at least two people certifying the basis of a dispute or else page will be deleted. Since you feel there is something that requires investigation you might want to say so in the rfc page. -- Cat chi? 13:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, as the notice on my talk page says life is getting busy... Anyway I don't really want to see the RFC deleted, but can't really certify it as I am not really someone who has 'tried and failed to resolve it'. I've endorsed the outside view though. Hope this gets sorted out. Remember always behave better those accusing you- then you can't have your own actions turned back against you. Petros471 20:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Quite alright. All of us lead a busy life. You did not even have had to comment at the ANB/I page or on the RFC. You have my most sincere gratitude. As per equavalent trade, I'd like to do something for you. My skills with tables and templates superceeds me interwiki... But modesty aside, what can I do for you?
 * Don't worry, at least one thing I learnt from my encounter with Davenbelle is that his constant baiting was why things got out of control. Moby Dick is probably trying the same thing but this fish just isn't going to bite the bait this time. Besides how cana future administrator set an example if he degrades into the level of people stalking him.
 * -- Cat chi? 21:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, Cool Cat. I've stumbled across the rfc and I have endorsed it. I'm considering making an addition of my own edvidence as well. -ZeroTalk 20:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That is most appiciated. -- Cat chi? 21:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Adding e-mail
How do I enable an e-mail option Cool Cat? Could you just indicate the pages explaining? Thanks. --Cretanforever 14:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * On the "preferences" page there is a field where you can type in the email you want messeges to be sent to.
 * You should check the checkbox labeled "Enable e-mail from other users"
 * You will also need to "authenticate" it. A link should be avalible in the reddish box which should read something like:
 * * E-mail (optional): Allows us to e-mail your password to you if you forget it. If you also "Enable e-mail from other users", then others can e-mail you from your User or User talk page by using the "E-mail this user" feature. Note that the sender's e-mail address will be visible to the recipient. If you change your e-mail address, you will need to reconfirm your address.
 * -- Cat chi? 15:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I did. Thanks. --Cretanforever 18:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

"Kurdish people" SFD farrago
you may want to review my response, I believe the debate can be concluded now. -- Cat chi? 14:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I've replied there, as you seem to feel the need. If you were prompting me to either vote (either way), or to close the SFD nom, I can't say I'm inclined to do either, for the reasons I've already mentioned.  Doubtless one of the other SFD regulars will take care of it in due course.  Alai 18:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh I just wanted to get over with it :) Sorry for the bother. Alright, I'll let SFD regulars take care of it. Sorry for the torbble. -- Cat chi? 18:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's no bother; sorry if I sounded peevish on the topic.  It's just one of those cases where I find both alternatives sufficiently unattractive, not to say divisive, that I want as little as possible to do with the resolution either way.  Not that that stops me from chiming in with my 2c...  (Mind you, if it's stays there too much longer and no-one else closes it, it'll probably annoy me sufficiently that I will.)  Alai 18:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ya. I can understand that. Contraversial cases are hard to deal with... especialy when one is divided in the middle. -- Cat chi? 18:24, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Templates about Prime Ministers and Presidents of Turkey
Hi, I realize that you added the coat of arms related to a.m. templates. Fine! However, I can not understand why you changed the heading color from red to ice-blue. Is there a procedure also for that? If not, maybe you can revert the color by yourself. Thanks. Besides, I had already mentioned that we, members in the Turkey project, waste time to make unnecessary modifications to the work of people made by wikipedians in this project, instead of creating or extending articles. CeeGee 18:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It isn't so much as a procedure but more about consistancy.
 * I relise red and white are the official colors of Turkey but if you take a look at similar templates you will see they are all ice blue. Consider template:USpresidents, Template:CanPM, Template:Cabinet of Canada, Template:Prime Minister of Canada see also for example, the colors of the US gov is blue red and white but we do not see it in the template
 * The templates you created were decent. All I am doing is honoring your hard work with my attempts to 'perfect' it more.
 * Hope this helps. -- Cat chi? 23:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Stalking/Water Under the Bridge
It has been forever and frankly I had forgotten about the hole incident regarding you. I feel now is the right time to set the record straight as you deserve no less.

Incivil behaviour is inexcusable and the way I treated you was less than civil. It was and still is indignified and unacceptable. I caused you unnecesary stress. I have been dealing with people who had been inflicting stress on me since day one and to realise that I have been no better than them...

You have to understand I have been quite jumpy since the disappearance of davenbelle and MARMOT incident. Perhaps I became a bit paranoid as well. This however does not justify my actions.

Hence, I expect you to be less than satisfied with an apology as my actions were way out of line. You have my most sincere apologies if they mean anything to you after our encounter.

-- Cat chi? 21:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries at all. You were subjected to some pretty intense harrassment yourself, which is very easy to understand. I'm an incredibly easy-going guy as you'll probably notice and many times assume good faith to the point of it being a fault. Thats why we need more down to earth people such as yourself to balance out the likes of me. :) If you ever need help with anything, feel free to ask me. -M ask [[Image:Flag_of_Alaska.svg|20 px]] 05:09, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * In order to "melt the ice", how about working together on two featured list candidates? See: FMA list (FLC) Planetes list (FLC)
 * -- Cat chi? 11:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

FYI
I've issued a strongly worded warning to Moby Dick about stalking. This is grounded in remedy 2 of your arbitration case (about harassment by Davenbelle, Stereotek and Fadix). --Tony Sidaway 16:53, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you!
 * I am curious though if it would be posible to take a few precations.
 * I'd like to make sure Moby Dick has no "other" sockpuppets lurking around me. If he had like 10 accounts it would be very hard for me to gather any reliable evidence.
 * Posibly keeping logs that make a checkuser posible longer than a month if Moby Dick decides to stalk from a different alias. These logs can be kept on wikimedia servers away from public reach.
 * -- Cat chi? 17:42, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That last would require both a policy and a technical change; it might be nice, but it's unlikely. A number of editors (like myself) are happy to know that if they choose to leave for more than a week (or whatever it takes for Recentchanges to expire here on en) that their IPs will be forgotten. --maru  (talk)  contribs 18:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Recentchanges/IP data expire in a month. I just want the log of Moby Dick to stay longer making it easier to identify his sockpuppets if they appear. It would have been a great help if we had the logs for davenbelle to compare with Moby Dick.
 * As for the sockpuppet check, do you think you can get someone to look into it?
 * -- Cat chi? 07:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

RFC on Moby Dick
I regret to advise you that Requests for comment/Moby Dick was not certified by two or more users within 48 hours of creation; as such it has been deleted. Stifle (talk) 23:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * So much for dispute resolution... :/ Thank you for letting me know. -- Cat chi? 07:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. The main reasoning behind the requirement for two people to validate a request for comment is to reduce vexatious RFCs (not that I'm saying this one was) and to encourage people to seek a third opinion or negotiate first. Stifle (talk) 10:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh I know its for technical reasons and the RfC wasn't completely unproductive. -- Cat chi? 10:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I think thats an indef usernameblock... Rather than a 24hr one for 3rr... -- Cat chi? 15:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree but I ain't overruling the katester. :) --Woohookitty(meow) 15:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're probably right, come to think of it. &middot; Katefan0 (scribble) 15:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, come to think of it, I don't disagree. But, I'll give him a chance to think about it before lowering the boom. ;) &middot; Katefan0 (scribble) 15:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine with me, though you might want to tell him to change his nick ^_^ -- Cat chi? 15:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes
There are a few other anime lists I am working on... care to work on thse too?


 * List of Serial Experiments Lain episodes
 * List of MADLAX episodes
 * List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes (FLC)
 * List of Planetes episodes (FLC)


 * -- Cat chi? 15:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd love to help, but unfortunately I've never seen any of those other shows :-( Sorry. Mistamagic28 21:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You can always get and watch then ^_^'. Alternatively you can expand fma summaries.
 * I also intend to break FMA characters appart.
 * -- Cat chi? 21:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea. I myself have been working on Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, and related pages such as List of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex episodes for a while. Mistamagic28 16:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Btw I was wondering what you though about the FMA OVA that has been out this year. I think it should be on the list but I cant seem to locate the release date of the dvd. -- Cat chi? 23:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

WP:FLC/Fullmetal Alchemist & WP:FLC/PLanetes/D'oh!
Hey. I am kind of confused with your comment on WP:FLC/PLanetes regarding ed and al. Was it intended for WP:FLC/Fullmetal Alchemist? -- Cat chi? 07:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It was, sorry, switching now... Rough couple days at work, as my edit count can attest to. Sorry for the spaceyness. -M ask [[Image:Flag_of_Alaska.svg|20 px]] 07:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No need to apologise, happens to the best of us. -- Cat chi? 07:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Just on a sidenote before I go to bed, I'm really impressed by the images of the FMA list.... I normally am nonplussed by anime, but those covers depict a certain badass quality to it... well chosen :) -M ask 07:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * They are the original dvd covers. If you liked the covers you might want to watch the series. There might be yet hope for you. :) -- Cat chi? 11:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Featured lists and Kanji issues

 * Featured list candidates/List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes
 * Featured list candidates/List of Planetes episodes

The featured list candidates seem to have an issue with the kanji characters. I believe this may be a codec issue. Since I have japanese fonts installed and observe no problems and that I have no understanding of kanji I though you might want to assist.

BTW congradulations in becomeing an admin, I would give my support but it appears you dont really need it ^_^;

-- Cat chi? 16:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I popped in on both. Everything appears to be fine as far as the kanji encoding. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  18:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Good to hear. :) -- Cat chi? 18:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Ejected from CVU?
How can you be ejected from an organization that has no leadership? That's not really an organization, but rather a grouping of anti-vandal individuals? No one can "eject" you from CVU if you still want to associate yourself with them. The only person who can eject you is yourself. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  22:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * My access in the chanel was gradualy reduced... ultimately I was banned from all of the IRC channels related to the CVU. This is a perm ban. #wikipedia-en-vandalism channel has been rendered useless making my vandal detection bot useless. All actions were taken by the same individual.
 * So I cannot preform any of the functions I used to be able to as a CVU member. Hence am "ejected". Things are going quite nasty for me on many fronts.
 * Since you are an administrator now you might want to review evidence presented related to User:Moby Dick on WP:ANB/I. Though since you are a new admin you probably shouldn't take action but your comments would be most apriciated.
 * -- Cat chi? 22:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey Cool Cat, you probably remember me from a confrontation we had a while back. I can see that things are going bad for you, and I really try to understand why things like this always happen to you, but it's very difficult for me to feel sorry for you when you always seem to repeat the same mistakes. Don't you think you get a little close to Wikipedia sometimes? I know there's a lot of issues to get caught up in, and the community is really large and interesting, but I think sometimes you just have to step back and realize that Wikipedia is really nothing, just a collection of words written by a lot of people around the world, and you really shouldn't waste so much of your drive on enforcing rules, or getting involved in conflicts.

Maybe you have more time than I do to hang around wiki. More time to get involved in all the deep issues that are going around. I like getting in arguments too, and I've gotten pretty deep into some conflicts before. Heck, me and Nihonjoe really step on each others toes once in a while, but in the end we're just two other Wikipedia editors and I don't think either of us has any hard feelings about what's happened in the past.

I don't want to be like all of the other admins and super-users that are telling you to change your attitude, because I don't think that's the reason why you get into trouble. I just think you're a really intense person, and you get carried away when you let your emotions control the situation. I'm sounding like a psychologist now - -;. Anyways, think about what I said. I think you'd get a lot more out of Wikipedia if you use it for what it is; a vast collection of amazing information, of a volume that no one man could read it in his lifetime. You don't always have to get involved when you see something that you don't agree with. Wikipedia will continue whether you do or not, so why not let things just run their course for once.  freshgavin ΓΛĿЌ 03:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Getting into conflict for me isn't fun though, I'd rather work with users not against. Let me give several examples of conflicts thrown a me (ones I havent volunteered for).
 * One user has been opposing me on whatever article I edit, including ones related to anime or norse mythology. Same user was voting opposite to my vote whenever I vote. he even objected me recieveing anti-vandalism barnstars. Basicaly this user comes to any article I edit simply to oppose me.
 * That "year of hell" ended on early december when finaly the user left wikipedia and me. This user or a user editing very much similar to him (almost identical to him) resurfaced early february. So, I only had a level of peace and quiet for a month or two. No other wikipedian has dealt with this kind of nonsense aside from User:RickK.
 * There was also the MARMOT case which marmot was spoofing my IP and getting me blocked. He was getting my IP from the IRC bot of mine that detected vandalism. Same bot has been rendered useless since my ban from cvu-related chanels single-handedly by one user. That user was the closest wikipedian I had, and we supported each other in difficult times when either one of us were vunrable most. For the IRC bot detecting vandalism, I spent a great amount of time coding it and a lot of cash to keep it running. In return I only asked to be able to run it. I guess I was asking for too much.


 * With perhaps overwhelming stress from stuff like I mentioned above... I think I have very strong emotional control, granted I do not yet have the control of a Vulcan.
 * I take wikipedia seriously, yes. Newspapers already use wikipedia as a referance and in the near future I believe wikipedia will be the source of all information. I want to help create such a noble project enforcing its rules and guidelines.
 * You are however right, my dedication to wikipedia is probably not in my personal best interest, but perhaps it is in the best interest of wikipedia. After all, I get nothing in return for my contribution aside from constant harrasment from people like Davenbelle, Marmot, etc...
 * -- Cat chi? 11:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Nobody gets anything in return really, just the feeling of a job well done. Though I see you do seem to enjoy collecting your barnstars and such. Jimbo certainly doesn't get much in return for wiki, but I'm pretty sure he's happy with it. Basically Cat, you are a high-profile user. You talk a lot, you hold rather strong opinions, and you attract a lot of attention. I am a teacher, one of the good teachers I'd say, and one thing I know about annoying brats is that they're at their worst when they know they'll get you riled up if they act badly. It's a little bit rediculous to tell you not to react to vandalism and accusations against you, so I don't mean that. The deeper you get into things, though, the more crap is going to be thrown back at you. It's alright to take Wikipedia seriously, but you don't have to fix it all yourself. There are some aspects of Wiki that are really unproductive, and they really bug me sometimes, but just like I'm not going to be able to change world democracy, I'm not going to be able to chance Wikipedia either.
 * One last thing, you say you think you're level-headed. I'm sure you've had a lot of experience with bboards and IRC and stuff like that, and I know: the people there are often complete morons. I was a private boarder when it was still manageable, I've used IRC since 1999 and seen every network known to Jesus go to shits with all the idiots screwing things up. Right now wiki is about as level-headed as the web gets, which is amazing because it's so free at the same time. But as far as the ideal Wikipedian image goes, you're not quite there when it comes to level-headedness. Neither am I. Maybe you know Esjay, I think he's a pretty damned level-headed fellow. I could be wrong though, I haven't looked through all his histories. Being Wikipedian sometimes involves ignoring insults and other bad crap that is hurtled at you, allowing things to happen that you don't agree with, and being low-profile might be a necessary trait as well.  freshgavin ΓΛĿЌ 12:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I will not ever be intimidated by threats, stalking, nor harrasment I recieve. I am more concerned about wikipedias content and integrity rather than my image/reputation. This probably means my adminship would have to wait a decade or ten...
 * -- Cat chi? 13:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey man, all I can say is don't bite yourself in the face. What's more important to you; a peaceful wiki-life, or protecting your pride? I'm pretty sure you can't have both. freshofftheufo  ΓΛĿЌ  05:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I know you are trying to help but even if I want to keep a "low-profile" I dont believe I can. I used to have an edit/mo average of 1800ish which I pulled back to 800ish (over a 50% drop). I even stoped editing anything contraversial. In return I got Moby Dick starting to do his thing... I do not believe I am driven by pride. If I had any of that, I'd have left wiki long ago. A peaceful wiki-life would be preferable but inprobable so long as people actively stalk me...
 * -- Cat chi? 05:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes
Is it posible for you to reupload the dvd images in png format overwriting the ones I uploaded? -- Cat chi? 17:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean wou want me to reupload the same images in png format, or do you want me to revert back to the images you uploaded? Mistamagic28 17:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Reupload the english images in png format with filenames identical to my images and then revert. That way we will be using your images and my filenames ^_^. -- Cat chi? 17:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I could, but you'd have to have your images deleted first. (I suppose requesting a speedy delete would suffice.) Mistamagic28 17:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You can overwrite... and then edit page descriptions... Why bother getting them deleted? -- Cat chi? 18:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. Mistamagic28 19:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

List of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex episodes
I am interested in converting this page to List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes format. What do you think? -- Cat chi? 18:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that would be a wise idea. I have been working on that page for quite a while and was thinking of splitting it up.  I could do it, but you're welcome to if you want to put in the time yourself.  Either way, I'd like to help (perhaps with the short episode descriptions like I did with FMA), or doing some of the pages myself (maybe we could split it in half, you do one season and I'll do the other).  Let me know what you think. Mistamagic28 19:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * We can toss all seasons into one article. See List of Oh My Goddess episodes.
 * However I need kanji names of the episodes as well as original airdates. I can get the dvd covers from amazon :)
 * -- Cat chi? 20:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

New pic uploaded
I have uploaded the new Sakoyo Mishima picture for its article. Can you check if it is OK?

Link is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayoko_Mishima

-Dynamo_ace Talk
 * Much better image. I have reuploaded it over the old one :) -- Cat chi? 10:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Greetings from the United Federation of Planets
Just wanted to say hi, given we are both UFPers... ^_^; -- Cat chi? 21:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Greetings to you too, CC. From Wallie 21:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh just noticed.. it was the UN flag.... >_< -- Cat chi? 22:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep. They look the same... :) Wallie 22:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Casualties of the Turkish-Kurdish conflict
I'd like to discuss the points surrounding this on an IRC or email enviorment w/o interference from 3rd parties... would you be interested? -- Cat chi? 18:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'm on right now. - FrancisTyers 18:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I do not see you, whats your nick? -- Cat chi? 19:16, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I am still waiting for that IRC convo... :) -- Cat chi? 18:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm never off IRC. You haven't tried to contact me ;) My nick is as on my userpage, spectre, spectie or spectei. - FrancisTyers 18:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:King of Fighters Character statistics
Hi. Could you take a gander at this template..? I'd like it if we could format the article code so it follows the standard guidelines in articles while still retaining the design. Currently, to extrude it I am resigned to using this:

That seems a little bit messy and difficult to keep track of. I'm hopeful we could use a simialar syntax to the Oh My Goddess! articles. -ZeroTalk 09:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I've worked on it and made some great progress. See here for the updated syntax. -ZeroTalk 13:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Forget it, I've figured it out. -ZeroTalk 13:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I can make it better with little effort. Oh My Goddess! code is much more readable. Should I proceed? -- Cat chi? 14:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No! Take a look! Take a look! I just finished touching it up. Its beautiful. See here. :)-ZeroTalk 14:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for inter wiki linkage on my user page.Teşekkürler--Hattusili 20:44, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Glad I could be of some assistance. :) -- Cat chi? 21:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish inhabited category
I'd like to point out a few things about Kurdistan from the article itself.
 * the exact borders of Kurdistan are hard to define.
 * According to Encyclopædia Britannica, Kurdistan is a mountainous region of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria, inhabited predominantly by Kurds including 27-28 million people in a 190,000 km2 (74,000 sq. mi) area
 * Encyclopaedia of Islam, it includes a 390,000 km2 area.
 * Others estimate as many as 40 million Kurds live in Kurdistan, which covers an area as big as France.

Hence why I do not believe a valid criteria can't exist. Listify, maybe... What do you think?

-- Cat chi? 21:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think any and all such cats are inherently flawed. I'm not attached to it the way others seem to be, though, so it's not worth it to me to try to sway others to my viewpoint. I've laid out my reasons, and if others are too blinded by their own political beliefs to see how unencyclopidic (sp?) it is, then I'll leave them to wallow in their perspective. :-) CovenantD 01:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * True I guess however if something is unencyclopedic, effort should be made to get rid of it right? -- Cat chi? 15:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Which I did by nominating it, and explaining twice why I did so. Anything beyond that just isn't worth it to me. CovenantD 17:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

there's power in numbers. Lonecanine

Username Banpei
Your unusualy familiar username caought my attention -- Cat chi? 17:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh...yeah...that poor little robot Banpei...He's been my pseudonym for quite a few years... Glad someone recognized it tho  =) Banpei
 * Well, I was actualy wondering if you wound want to help with Oh My Goddess! related articles. :) -- Cat chi? 15:10, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Yo! Looking for template help
I'll admit to always admiring the layout of your templates from afar, but while I'm handy enough at adding info to them, I might as well be typing with my elbows when it comes to making one myself. I'd like to convert Template:Tenchi Character and Template:Tenchi Muyo! to bring them up to snuff to the standard set by the OMG! articles - removing some of the disorganized clutter, redundancy and the like - but I'm clueless on how to initiate and didn't want to rip off your work directly or without you knowing. Do you think you could help me? Papacha 06:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll gladly assist. Thank you for your nice comments. -- Cat chi? 15:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I appreciate it. I'm worse than an infant when it comes to birthing those things; it'd take a miracle of random chance to figure something structurally nice left to my own devices. v_v Papacha 15:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I am done with Tenchi Muyo! and Tenchi Muyo Char. What do you think of them? -- Cat chi? 16:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * They're both looking rather nice. I'm savvy enough (HA!) to add breaks if necessary, though I don't know what kind of color pallete we have to play with here. I'm sure it's not trial-and-error, but is there a scheme or tool used to show what choice of shades tables have available?


 * Again, thanks so much for your help on these thus far. You caught me with me pants down so I haven't had the chance to check Ryoko's yet, but I will now. Papacha 17:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Tenchi Muyo Character Infobox complate. See Ryoko (Tenchi Muyo!) for an example. All character pages should be updated in usinig the new template.
 * Are there other optional parameters you would like me to add?
 * -- Cat chi? 16:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I should be okay in adding/subtracting template parameters; I can handle divvying up sizes (yeesh) and blood type from the single space they occupy now, and I can change "code name" to "real name" easily enough.


 * Now I just have to start implementing the changes and we should be good to go. Broken record much, but thanks a lot for lending me a hand. Papacha 17:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that the Masaki Family most noteably Nobuyuki and Katsuhito Masaki were missing from the new character template so I re-included those names and then update the Templates on each of those pages. I was just trying to help make sure that those pages weren't ignored. -Adv193 17:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I know nothing about the series. I am praticaly editing "blind". So I really apriciate that. Thanks. -- Cat chi? 17:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The pics do seem to be warping a bit with the text (for ex., Kain/Washu). I didn't insert the new box so I don't know the cause of the interference. Do you know why so I can knock it out? Papacha 17:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * On your template, you were passing [[Image:filename.jpg|300px|etc etc]] . ON the new template all you need to pass is filename.jpg. -- Cat chi? 17:22, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Let's go for the gusto
What the heck, I'm here already aren't I?

I'm thinking about adding a pic to each of the single episode summaries on the FMA list, but would you consider some pictures (i.e. Envy impaling Ed on his arm in Death) to be too "spoilery" in nature? Papacha 07:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * See List of Oh My Goddess episodes articles on how I picked screen caps. Usualy the first half of every episode is the best time to look for screen caps. -- Cat chi? 15:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes
Why did this fail? All problems adressed have been fixed. -- Cat chi? 21:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The main issue was maru's objections on phrasing and language. The list is very good, so you're welcome to resubmit it as soon as you please after outstanding issues are fixed. Regards -- Run e Welsh | &tau;&alpha;&lambda;&kappa; 11:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * We have adressed all of the outstanding issues. I believe, Maru never checked back in... I'll do as you ask tho. -- Cat chi? 15:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

TM! template talk (cont)...
Ah, I see. So is this template preset to display pics at a particular size?

Baby-steps, baby-steps... Papacha 17:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Default size was 300 width I believe, a reasonable size for fairuse images. -- Cat chi? 18:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Opinion
Check this out. I'd like to hear what you think about it. freshofftheufo ΓΛĿЌ  06:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ummm... It is a nice essay.
 * We want people to be bold and assume good faith and there are many of us that find Wiki Politics disruptive.
 * There should be no consequence for vfding a (contraversial or not) article or category assuming there are valid arguments.
 * What the essay implies (perhaps unintentionaly) is to back off when pov pushers or trolls emerge. Consider everyone giving up whenever there is a fight. We wouldn't then have a reason to have wikipedia policies.
 * I can be cruel when criticising. Hopefully I haven't offended you with my comments above.
 * -- Cat chi? 10:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You weren't critical at all. Hearing that you find it implies Wikipedians to "back off" when confronted with trouble is exactly something that I should think about. What I've attempted to explain is not that one should "back off when confronted with problems", but rather consider the volume of the counter-response before going through with any actions, and not to intentionally provoke situations in ways that won't serve the ultimate cause in the end. I think a good example of this is the whole Kawaii article thing. Honestly, I shouldn't have AfD'd that article. I, as a Wikipedian, am confident about my position that the article shouldn't exist, is approached wrong, etc. etc., but the truth is Wikipedia (with its hoards of Japan-fans) is much more stable and predictible with articles like Kawaii. If the general attitude/atmosphere of Wikipedia were to change (over time) to reflect core Wikipedia's policy and rules more closely, a lot of big, heated issues that exist now (JHS/HS articles, fancruft/lists, userboxen) would immediately and peacefully fade away because of the change in opinion from large user base's perspective. Fighting for Wikipedian policy is a good thing, but fighting against a grain that you can clearly see is not in your favor is often a fool's pursuit. freshofftheufo  ΓΛĿЌ  04:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Copy Cat
I think your New Horizons news section is cool, cat. I plagarized it.-- MrFi s  h Go Fish 14:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Any such plagarisim is punishable with a thank you. I am glad you liked it :) Feel free to "steal" as you wish ^_^.
 * Thank you for your comment.
 * -- Cat chi? 16:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice kitty, didn't eat the fish. :) --24.75.63.240 16:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, he better not.[[Image:Tiger shark.png|100px]]-- MrFi s  h Go Fish 17:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

My barnstars

 * 1x Image:WMBarnstar.png
 * 2x Image:Random_Acts_of_Kindness_Barnstar.png
 * 4x Image:Barnstar.png
 * 3x Image:Barnstar of Reversion2.png
 * 1x Image:Barnstar3.png
 * 1x Image:WikiDefender Barnstar.png
 * 1x Image:Barnstar of Humour3.png
 * — FireFox usertalk 21:22, 30 May '06

wowturkey.com images
Hi, I guess you are an experienced member of WikiProject Turkey. I wanted to know if you can be of any help in User:A.Garnet and User:Metb82's attempt to get wowturkey.com to "free up" their images. Thanks! -- Paddu 00:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:G4countries.PNG
I uploaded your image on commons, with a proper licence. 'hope you wouldn't mind.--Milan Jelisavčić 13:08, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That action is punishable with a thank you. Thanks for uploading it to commons :) -- Cat chi? 13:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you...
...for re-designing my userpage! — FireFox usertalk 15:44, 31 May '06

Featured list candidates/List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes
I'd hope you'd reconsider your objection. There really is no problem with fair use. Also there is no problem with episode titles (that I can see) they are (kanji and English) from official sites. I'd be happy to correct any errors, but I see none. -- Cat chi? 22:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ack... where do you *put* things on this talk page... Anyway, expanded on the FLC page. --zippedmartin 22:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Usage of my talk page is exceptionaly easy. It is explained in BOLD characters and even a link is provided. You are the first person to ever had difficulty and I have been around for about one and a half year.
 * That aside, I have replied to you on the flc page.
 * -- Cat chi? 23:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)