User talk:とある白い猫/Archive/2007/01

Please!!
Do you mind if you can help me with my page: User:Leor Natanov/In many languages?? You really don't have to if you don't want to. If you do, thanks!! Can you get my name in ASL, Chinese, Japanese, Egyptian Hieroglyphics, Binary, Braille, IPA and/or Morse Code? Leor Natanov 03:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to help, just kindly respond on my talk page. THANKS!!! Leor Natanov 02:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I am sorry I do not know any of those languages. I do want to help but I am incapable. -- Cat chi? 23:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Then how did you do it on your page (Cool Cat/In many languages)? Leor Natanov 02:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Other people made the translations (aside from japanese in which I know very very few words). On rare occasions I moved translations around. You should realize that the 'in many languages' thing isn't intended to be a big deal and is intended to promote interlingual nature of wikipedia. -- Cat chi? 02:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I am so sorry for being rude. I understand you try to help people so hard. So it's ok if you are incapable of adding another language. Leor Natanov 23:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:Abdurrahman YALÇINKAYA.png
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Mass tagging is starting to bother me
Not that I oppose what you are doing (nor support). I feel you are overloading image for deletion process. -- Cat chi? 00:55, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not my intention to overload IFD. I do try to use alternate methods when they apply, but going through orphaned images, most are classified GDFL but have no encyclopedic value. I don't know what else to do. I could limit myself to only looking at so many pictures per day, but that doesn't seem appropriate. I did think that it might be a good idea for a new CSD category, that orphaned images could be tagged as orphan, the uploader notified and after 90 (or 180, or...?) days, if it's still orphaned, then it's deleted. It would remove it the process from IFD on most OR images. And anyone could look at any of the categories of tagged OR images such that they could de-orphan it. The problem is that the 90 (or whatever) days the orphaned images are there would take a long delay and many would likely complain about the number of days or that we still might delete images that are useful, despite them having lots of time to save them. Anyways, if you have any other input or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks. --MECU ≈ talk 01:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A suggestion: You can move them to commons. A use for them can be found on a variety of projects such as wikinews or wikibooks among others. We are looking for more images on commons after all. -- Cat chi? 01:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah and btw there are tools to help you move images to commons. -- Cat chi? 01:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What tools are available? My initial thoughts would be that only images that have value should be used in an article and therefore moved to Wikipedia. I guess there's another line between useful and just completely userful. Anyways, can you give me a link to the tools? Hopefully, they can autotag or something. Thanks.--MECU ≈ talk 01:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * One of the tools I use is http://hdbot.velirat.de/ it is a commons uploader. It lets you copy an image to commons from wikipedia and tags the English copy for being a duplicate and even creates a button so you can delete the en copy. You can use all images on commons from en.wiki. This tool requires approval of the bot owner which you can catch on IRC.
 * I am aware that there are also some python bots doing the task as well although I never used them so I cant really comment on them.
 * Somewhat usefull images are ok on commons. Granted commons is not a webhost so the images being moved should have a potential value (someones pet dog may have an encyclopedic value (for say wikispecies) or a space shuttles debris (for say a wikinews article)) while not having a value for wikipedia. I haven't checked every image you are working on but I think you know what I mean so I wont bore you off with it. :)
 * -- Cat chi? 01:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Türkiye Portalı
Merhaba geçenlerde Türkiye Portalını seçkin portallara aday gösterdim Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Turkey/archive1. Fakat bir Vikiproje Türkiye üyesi dışında kimse oy kullanmadı. Gelen karşıt oylarla kabul edilmemiş oldu. Lütfen oyunuzu kullanın.--Absar 12:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Use of Image:United Federation of Planets flag.png
This image is a fair use image and may not be used outside of the main article namespace. Please do not re-insert this image as it constitutes a violation of Fair use criteria item #9. --Durin 17:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Please look closely at the edit. THATS THE UN FLAG. If you arent going to at least review the contents of my edits, do not bother reverting them. -- Cat chi? 17:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Mistake noted and apologized for. According to the file links section on Image:United Federation of Planets flag.png, it was still in use on your page. I saw an image closely resembling, and removed it, admittedly knee jerk. --Durin 17:51, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats ok, I guess the problem is that since my userpage wasn't updated so far the servers still think the image is transcluded. That linkage should go away in a few minutes/hours I suppose when chaches clear. -- Cat chi? 17:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use images
As a result of the deletion of Comparative ranks and insignia of Star Trek, these images are now orphaned and subject to deletion in seven days unless used in a main namespace article. --Durin 20:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
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 * Delete this image at this instant! Thank you! (uploader) -- Cat chi? 21:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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Kurdish inhabited regions
Please take a look at the notice that you placed at the head of Kurdish inhabited regions. The notice asks you not to depopulate the category. Seeing as this is a policy which you yourself have used in preparing the category for deletion, the category has now been repopulated. You are also reminded that this category is politically sensitive, and widespread deletions lack such sensitivity. Please let the deletion process run its course, and, if the decision is to delete the category, the links to it from articles may be removed by hand or by bot. As the policy is quite clear depopulating categories again will result in you being temporarily blocked from editing Wikipedia. — Gareth Hughes 12:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I was removing the categories as per WP:NOR and WP:RS. The policy on populating categories is also quite clear (WP:NOR/WP:RS applies). I wont be reverting you, but I take good note of this nonsense. -- Cat chi? 12:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Category:Religion in Kurdistan
Cool Cat: I have some questions for you: How can you nominate a good category, like Category:Religion in Kurdistan for deletion within 22 minutes after I created the category? Secondly, why didn't you have the courtesy to inform me (as the creator of this category) that you were nominating it for deletion? Finally, how on Earth can you say that the "Category is too specific and underpopulated" when many millions of people live in Kurdistan and most practice one religion or another? IZAK 12:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Easy, I monitor the RC feed and when I notice something I feel problematic I act on it. I didn't think "courtesy" would be necessary 22 minutes after the creation of the category as you point out.
 * Not true. Kurdistan is an undefined region. As far as some sources, it doesn't even exist. Some sources suggest it occupies most of the middle east. So the "millions" of people living there can easily be subjective. On an article/list you can explain why something is considered in Kurdistan (since all sources will never agree), on a machine generated category you cannot do that. A country on the other hand has defined borders and demographics info you can use to base your categorization.
 * -- Cat chi? 13:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Cool Cat: Many regions in the world are "undefined" and over history they get redefined many times over, all usually depending on who wins the last war/s, so cut out the nonsense please. Do you know how many times Alsace-Lorraine has been "German-French-German-French etc"? Or that the Native Americans are historically marginalized in the USA even though they have the longest history in it? The point is that the existence and definition of ethnic/cultural/religious/geographic groups is not an exact science so to resort to false requests for "defined" this-and-that is not just missing the point but is clear-cut obfuscation that is proabably hiding a simple POV prejudice against a group, and in this case it's the Kurds, and my particular focus, the Kurdish Jews that I will not permit to get lost in the shuffling of the decks for no good purpose here. Finally, 22 minutes to nomnate for deletion a category devoted to "Religion in Kurdistan" merely because you think it's problematic is simply not a good enough enough excuse. You could have at least let me know in any case. Thanks. IZAK 14:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it would be problematic if we had a Category:Religion in Native Americanistan, it would be fine to have a Category:Native American religions. -- Cat chi? 14:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Now you are being obtuse. The Native Americans did not have conventional religions, so you will find that for them there is Category:Native American mythology and Category:Native American religious figures and more like that, and there is no restriction on Wikipedia on the amount of categories for Category:Native American people regardless of the fact that their people's geographic and cultural and ethnic boundaries are in dispute. IZAK 15:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You are missing the point. You can't categories cities based on religion/ethnicity as there would be no end to how many categories we are to put for New York City alone.
 * By not categorizing New York City with a Native American Homeland we are not suggesting that it was not once Native American homeland. You can say it is Native American homeland in a sentence New York article, you should not be writing the article with categories.
 * How about an alternate approach: Consider how many categories would we put on Jerusalem... Would you support it being tagged as a part of Arabistan, Muslimistan, Jewishistan, Jewish inhabited region, Muslim inhabited region, and etc..? How about sub sects (Shiia, Sunni and whatever). How many pages of categories would we have?
 * Actually there are restrictions: WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV are required to be observed.
 * -- Cat chi? 17:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_January_11
Hi Cool Cat: You persist in coming over to my talk page and warning me about "personal attacks" and "disruptions" yet I have no idea what you are talking about because you do not give me any examples of EXACTLY what you claim are "personal attacks" or "disruptions." So can you be so kind as to let me know what is bothering you and which of my statements you are referring to so that I can then understand your problems with what I am saying (is it my style, content, factual presentation, or what ? -- I have no idea where you are coming from) and so that I can treat you more gently and answer your allegations specifically. Thank you. IZAK 11:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure. Like what, let's agree to bump off the Kurds from Wikipedia? Sorry that is not my agenda. IZAK 15:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That is a personal attack. You can't accuse people of agendas, racial hate and etc. -- Cat chi? 12:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

StarCraft?
Do you play StarCraft? If you do, can you help me a bit with User:Prelate Zeratul/List of units and buildings in StarCraft? It gets a bit tedious when I'm the only person doing the rewrites. Zeratul En Taro Adun!So be it. 19:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * En Taro Wiki! I indeed enjoyed StarCraft, a bit too much at times. I'd love to help but my hands are a bit tied for a while. -- Cat chi? 22:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Facebook
You do realize your face book picture makes you my prey right? -- Cat chi? 19:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What picture? >:) -- ~ D-Lord ( Sign! ) (  T  C  E  ) 00:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This one. Does that mean you are surrendering your girlfriend (wikipetan) to me? >:D -- Cat chi? 00:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

...................... NEVER!!!!!!!! >:O ^^ -- ~ D-Lord ( Sign! ) (  T  C  E  ) 22:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Tireless Contributor Barnstar Award & Excellent User Page Award

 * Thank you for the awards! -- Cat chi? 14:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Would you please tell me the source of that you uploaded?
I want to use it in Chinese wikipedia, but the source is not clear. Is it scanned by yourself? Thank you very much.--Alnhfa 02:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Screenshot from anime. -- Cat chi? 22:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

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Please tell your bot to leave me alone. Delete the images if you desire. -- Cat chi? 03:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The bot does not have an option to exclude any people from getting the talk page warnings but it should be done with all the images you uploaded already. BJ Talk 04:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Please add that function because with the amount of uploads I made in the past (which are not used anymore and I could care less why) you will end up filling my talk page forever. I am among the top 100 editors with most edits/uploads and etc. -- Cat chi? 04:34, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I am still getting those warnings you know... :( -- Cat chi? 08:10, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I added the optout code and it should be working, all you have to do is add your name to User:BJBot/Optout but I have already done this for you. Leave me a talk page message if you get any more warnings. BJ Talk 09:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism
Hi Cool Cat: I am sorry that you did not have the courtesy to inform me that you were nominating for deletion categories that I had created, such as here: Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 17 and Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 17. In the future, please try to inform users who created articles and categories that you have nominated their work for deletion as per Categories for discussion: "It is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the category that you are nominating the category. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the category." If you ever nominate articles or categories relating to Jews or Judaism, please then post that to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism as it allows users with an interest and expertise in those subjects to participate in discussions for deletion that touch upon their areas of knowledge. Thank you for keeping this in mind. I look forward to your cooperation. IZAK 10:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * As per personal policy I do NOT ever notify anyone when it comes to my deletion nominations. That way nominations are held in an impartial manner with random people commenting on the matter at hand. I am sorry but I have no intention of changing this personal policy. I am saddened that you find it uncivil. -- Cat chi? 10:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * See my detailed response to this at User talk:IZAK. Thank you. IZAK 03:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)