User talk:とある白い猫/Archive/2011/08

Template
Before I continue, does Template:Membership/Mexico look about right? --Moralis (talk) 03:42, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks perfect. Now while I did remove some of the optional parameters (since I doubt Mexico will ever join the African Union =D) this however isn't really necessary as long as a membership or pre-membership date is not provided. So it is perfect. :) Keep up the good work and let me know if you run into problems. -- とある白い猫 chi? 08:47, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Templates
I need help in expanding the templates as well as creating more of them. I will be mentioning a series of short comings and problems I have. I didn't want to bore you off with this info until you had the free time :).

A small history lesson, I apologize if you know all this already. My understanding of the complicated history of EU is limited but... Three significant events lead to the formation of EU. (More info is at Treaties of the European Union which has a nice chart.)
 * 1) Inner Six/Outer Seven era where a few of the post-ww2 era Western European countries formed a number of loosely related economic treaties. These were European Coal and Steel Community, European Economic Community, European Atomic Energy Community most notably.
 * 2) European Communities was formed in 1 July 1967 with Merger Treaty. The above treaties were amended and merged. This isn't currently represented in the template as I am unsure what the best way is to handle the complex relationship.
 * 3) With 1993-11-1 with Maastricht Treaty the EU we know today came into existence.

What I want the template to do is all I should do is provide it a date and it should pull the relevant membership info. In the case of France, EU field should show "I6" or "Inner Six" when a date after 1952 but before 1967 (dates of the treaties mentioned in 1 & 2 above) is given. It should return "EC" or "European Communities" for dates between 1967 and 1993 and show "EU" or "European Union" for dates after 1993.

As for the actual template done so far:

I created some documentation for the template: Membership/Sub/T/doc which should give a general idea. The templates actual use is probably a lot simpler than it looks.

Do also take a look at Membership/France. For France's historic relation with European Union consider the line: |EUorg= |EUpreorg=

|EU= |EUpre=

|EUmembership= |EUpremembership=

|EUsup=

The reason why I have parameters like, is to allow people calling the template to pass values to the fields or hide the fields if needed.

The determines what template will be called when the "EUmembership" needs to be shown. It actually calls Membership/Sub/Flag/EU. This is the EU we know as it came to existence/effect in 1993. The determines what template will be called for the "EUpremembership". It actually calls Membership/Sub/Flag/EU/I6 in my work. As mentioned above the "European Communities" Pre-EU era isn't shown in this current template structure which is wrong. I6 ceased to exist (more or less) with the merger treaty I believe. The complication is that EU has two "pre-era"s. I was thinking of using a switch (somehow) but then waited to hear what you think. More detailed info of EU;s expansion is at Enlargement of the European Union.

The structure is a lot simpler for other organizations where membership is merely joining the organization and pre-membership is the time period where countries prepare for the membership.

The other issue is when countries leave organizations or end up getting suspended. For instance Fiji left the commonwealth after joining and then rejoined but has been suspended twice so far. Or France left NATO's military wing until recently. Such cases aren't handled either. Might I add the complicated membership of UN security council temporary membership where countries join for 2 years only multiple times with gaps.

One last thing I want to handle is the dates when countries came to existence or ceased to exist. If someone tries to pass the date 1950s to check the membership info for say Estonia they should be receiving a message saying the country did not exist as a sovereign country. Or if someone tries to link to Czechoslovakia by passing a date in 2000s they should get a warning that the country no longer exists. Likewise a NATO membership for 1930s (before NATO existed) or membership for organizations like Western Union, Warsaw Pact in 2010s should return an error as these organizations ceased to exist.

So these are the problems that require template coding. I'd like to know what you think. I want to maintain a one (or more) template structure as I think having all these relationships in one template would generate a template that is far far too complicated particularly when it needs to be updated.

-- とある白い猫 chi? 02:13, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Non-free rationale for File:Kosuke Fujishima.jpg
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Have you seen this discussion
とある白い猫, Have you noticed: Wikipedia talk:Signatures? I mentioned you there. Some users believe everyone needs to have a latin or latin-derived signature.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 11:03, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Follow-up, it has expanded to Wikipedia_talk:Username_policy, a much broader and ridiculous proposal to simply prohibit non-latin usernames!--Doug.(talk • contribs) 08:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Seriously? We are going to ban all unicode? This has been discussed before as I vividly remember username policy explicitly banning non-unicode before SUL. Anyways I will post something later today. I am simply too baffled by the weirdness of the proposal! :-D Thanks for letting me know. -- とある白い猫 chi? 19:41, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Your bot@pl.wiki
Hi! As you were notified two years ago, "according to pl.wiki policy pl:Wikipedia:BOT your botflag has been removed due to inactivity during last 12 months. If you still want to use a bot on pl.wiki please reapply here: pl:Wikipedia:Boty/Zgłoszenia masti &lt;dyskusja&gt; 19:24, 24 paź 2009 (CEST)"

Right now I have blocked your bot - please apply for flag, so your bot will be unlocked. Abronikowski (talk) 21:18, 25 August 2011 (UTC) My great apologies, I have too fast fingers :(. Abronikowski (talk) 21:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It is OK :) -- とある白い猫 chi? 06:48, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Prince Bishops of Liège
Why did you create this self redirect? -- とある白い猫 chi? 10:41, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. My mistake. Hopefully fixed now.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 10:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Merci/Dankjewel -- とある白い猫 chi? 11:00, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Wikinewspar5
Template:Wikinewspar5 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. --The Evil IP address (talk) 15:02, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Hurricane Irene (2011)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hurricane_Irene_%282011%29&action=historysubmit&diff=447320836&oldid=447320290

You removed the video along with images. Can I ask why?

While I agree at the talk page to your assessment, perhaps you would consider my template proposal there for the images. I feel lots of images is a good way to illustrate the damage in the article while also feel they shouldn't over-clutter the article.

-- とある白い猫 chi? 19:48, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Lots of images may be a nice way to demonstrate the damage of the Hurricane however WP:LAYOUT states "You should always be watchful not to overwhelm an article with images by adding more just because you can" "Images should ideally be spread evenly within the article". Afro  ( Talk ) 20:36, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am sorry but did you actually check my proposal? I do not need to be reminded of guidelines and policies mid discussion as it is a very very poor way to continue a discussion. -- とある白い猫 chi? 20:42, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well to me it doesn't really solve the issue, I didn't remind you of you MOS to offend you, I quoted it because I feel they still apply to the proposal, in my mind you're still overwhelming a section with imagery and not spreading them evenly throughout the article. Afro  ( Talk ) 20:54, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not offended. It is just that rationales entirely based on guidelines or policies for editorial decisions are very weak. I might argue for instance that since it says "images" videos would not be covered by the guideline but that would again be a very weak argument.
 * I feel the video should be in the article while other images - I do not have a preference on. I think it would be best if we separate the two issues.
 * Can we discuss on the article talk page so that the discussion is more people.
 * -- とある白い猫 chi? 21:03, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sure if the video is needed in the article you can find another section to put it in. Afro  ( Talk ) 21:10, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have placed it back days ago and no one removed it. Since you insist on not engaging in a discussion on the talk page I will assume you do not have issues with the proposal. If you still do have an issue with it, please do post a comment to that end. --15:35, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Something unrelated in relation to the talk page that was linked to above: (This talk page, I mean) Holy crap, that page is in a lot of categories. LikeLakers2 (talk) 21:55, 29 August 2011 (UTC)