User talk:日本古武道

Yamla No that is not true and you know it. I was editing in the talk page of one of the articles and my IP account was NOT a blocked at the time on this account or my IP. I was talking on the page of an article, not EDITING the article. This account was under puppetry investigation, it was not blocked and I was not evading something that was not done up until an hour ago. This is why we are having this conversation now. I am not evading anything. Proof is right here with the times of the block at the bottom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:14.132.3.250 日本古武道 (talk) 17:55, 30 October 2017 (UTC)


 * This account has been blocked since 2017-10-22. While this account is blocked, you are not permitted to edit. Whether or not your IP address is blocked is not relevant. It is true you were only editing article talk pages, but that's not permitted while you are blocked. --Yamla (talk) 18:28, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Yamla It was just blocked JUST NOW. I cannot edit articles if my account is BLOCKED. It is relevant because that is what BLOCKED MEANS. That would be using a VPN. I was NOT using a VPN. What you are trying to say is that I have not logged into my account to edit a page, not EVADE a block by using a VPN to falsify my OP lovcation. REALLY? Stop it. This is completely false and you are either bitter and lying or don't know any better. 日本古武道 (talk) 18:30, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * This account's block log is available at and shows it has been blocked since 2017-10-22. --Yamla (talk) 18:32, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

RickinBaltimore I was not blocked at the time I was chatting with him. Talk pages are not banned from wikipedia, are they? No, that is why you can edit them. Outside of articles. My IP was not blocked at that time. My edits to the chat page were REMOVED about an hour after I was blocked by JamesBWatson however, which seems like censorship.
 * One last time. Whether or not your IP address was blocked is not relevant in this case. What's relevant is whether or not this account was blocked. And you can see it was. I will not comment further. --Yamla (talk) 18:45, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

talk It was not blocked. What you just think you showed me a link to an IP blocker (Target is the name of the user, IP or IP range, written with the prefix "User:"). So yeah it does matter. It is relevant as you are telling me that it is blocked now. Yet see how we are talking on this page? That makes not sense and show me the rule where I am not allowed to edit my own talk pages? Just because you are angry at me for not "respecting your authority" does not give you the right to make up rules. Show me where I have edited anything while my IP is blocked. 日本古武道 (talk) 18:51, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:IDHT. I will not comment further. It's unclear if you are being deliberately obtuse or if there are language problems here. I strongly suspect the latter in this case, as you are obviously trying to figure out what's going on. But I have spent enough time here. Maybe someone else can have more luck, communicating the circumstances here. This is the last you will hear from me. --Yamla (talk) 18:54, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:HA. You're harassing my nonsensically because you are mad. This is why you are here, to harass me. I do not know why we just had a discussion of what blocked means, you either do not know or are lying and harassing me. 日本古武道 (talk) 18:58, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * (ec x2)To explain better, this account was blocked at 01:02 on 10/23/17. At that point you were no longer allowed to edit Wikipedia at all with this account OR logged out. This is considered block evasion, which reads "User accounts or IP addresses used to evade a block should also be blocked." In order to edit here again, you have to have your block lifted on this account. Editing logged out as an IP will result in that IP being blocked for evasion, and the likelihood of this account here being unblocked made less. RickinBaltimore (talk) 18:59, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * And nd I'd suggest you stop with the claims of "harassment" now if you want to be unblocked as well. Yamla was very patient in trying to explain the block to you. RickinBaltimore (talk) 19:00, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * RickinBaltimore Again, I am only stating to Yamla exactly what blocked means and pointing out how that functions, which is the truth, and goes directly to the reason he gave me for denying my request, which is ignorance or willful and would assume I was acting maliciously. There is no reason I cannot point out the truth, regardless if he is angry at me or his feelings are hurt. Please show me what blocked means, how it does not mean EXACTLY what I say it does (done through an IP); furthermore explain to me how editing my OWN TALK PAGE while I am "blocked" (AS I AM RIGHT NOW) is against any wikipedia rules. You made that claim, please show me show me that rule, and explain why Wikipedia does not block me from editing my page?
 * Please do not threaten me with things like:

I'd suggest you stop with the claims of "harassment" now if you want to be unblocked as well.
 * Please explain to me what you mean by that? Are you telling me that if I do not bow down to you, then you will assure that I will remain blocked? Is that correct? By saying that a false claim is false, you are going to make sure that I stay blocked? Is that true?
 * Additionally:
 * Please show me where I used a VPN to circumvent Wikipedia's system and edit as you have claimed (I take it you did so unknowingly.) Please show me a puppet account that I created (not my actual IP). You can't because I was not doing that. Fact. Again, I was editing from my IP, I was not logged in, that is why we are here. That is not editing while blocked, that means my IP was not blocked, and I was not blocked at Yamla has claimed. Also, Yamla has edited and done things that to me is clearly harassing me.

日本古武道 (talk) 19:29, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I won't make that call, but other admins will. Blocked means exactly that, let me quote you what it means: "A block prevents a user or IP range from editing Wikipedia. (They can still read it). Blocks are used to protect Wikipedia from possible improper use, or other activity that may breach editorial policies. Once blocks are over, they become history unless problems recur. Blocks can apply to a user account, an IP, or a range of IPs. Automated features also identify usage which apparently should be blocked; this can be quickly rectified if incorrect." In short, you are not allowed to edit Wikipedia unless you are petitioning to have your block removed. You have the right to post on your talk page, however if you abuse this, that right could be removed. And by admitting on the IP you were editing there, you were circumventing your block. RickinBaltimore (talk) 19:33, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm going to explain one final time and be done with this. You are blocked. No matter where you edit, logged in or out, you are not allowed to edit Wikipedia, including at your IP. By admitting you were a blocked user on the IP page you were committing block evasion. RickinBaltimore (talk) 19:41, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

RickinBaltimore Rick I was not doing that. False. I was on my talk pages, which is allowed during blocks, which is why we are chatting here. Get it? I did not admit anything and have been denying your misunderstanding. AGAIN: I did not edit while I was blocked. It is impossible. 日本古武道 (talk) 19:45, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Editing logged out while blocked is a block violation. Period. Alos that IP talke page is not "your talk page". It's the talk page for the IP itself. RickinBaltimore (talk) 19:46, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * RickinBaltimore Actually I do not believe so. I was not blocked (again, that is an IP block, not magic.) That is talking about a IP block, and account block. This account was NOT blocked from editing. Show me that rule, give me a link to where it says I cannot edit my own talk pages, or log out of my wikipedia account on talk pages. If so I did not know it. Show it to me where it states I cannot log out and log back in to edit my own user talk pages, where I am NOT blocked from editing on Wikipedia. Show me a hyperlink to that. I did not willingly edit when I was blocked, or knew about being blocked. My account was clearly NOT BLOCKED when I was editing Wikipedia articles. 日本古武道 (talk) 19:49, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:SOCK and WP:EVASION. As a blocked user, you are blocked across Wikipedia, including IP editing. I suggest you drop this now. RickinBaltimore (talk) 19:57, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not guilty of WP:SOCK or WP:EVASION as they are written there by editing my own talk pages. I am allowed to edit my talk pages. Saying otherwise and then accusing me of Sock Puppetry and Evasion, as they are stated in those two articles, by doing exactly what I am allowed to do while blocked is either ignorance of the rules or a lie. You cannot quote anything from either of those articles about how I am disallowed from editing my talk pages, simply because it does not exist. This is why we are having this conversation WHILE I AM BLOCKED right now. Whether you want to admit it or not, you are trying to justify why you denied my request for unblocking. You assumed I was editing Wikipedia while I was blocked, and not my talk pages where I am allowed to edit. That assumption is untrue
 * You have accused me of wrongdoing by Wikipedia rules and are not able to back that up, quote or show how I have done or admitted to any wrong doing. I am not BEATING A DEAD HORSE (there, I am old fashioned and can spell it out) because clearly I am defending why you were wrong to assume that I was editing while I was blocked, which is a false accusation. You should either concede you misunderstood what I was saying or unblock me, because again I am not here to vandalize Wikipedia articles or spam it up. I am guilty of none of those things and I am explaining myself and I have repeatedly done so. Again, I am defending myself and you are telling me to back off or '"else"'...right? That is clearly a threat, is it not?
 * Summary: Are you telling me now that I am clearly in violation of Wikipedia rules because I am editing my own user talk page right now? Is that what you are saying to me? Furthermore, I better back off or else? 日本古武道 (talk) 20:12, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I wasn't going to edit here again, but I will. No, you can edit this page with regards to your unblock request. That is fine. What is NOT fine is logging out to edit OTHER PAGES as an IP, which you did and led to a block. Also, I was not threatening you at all. You have had two admins advise you as to why you were blocked, and what was needed to request an unblock. At this point, please stop and allow other admins to review your request. RickinBaltimore (talk) 20:49, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * RickinBaltimore No, that is not what happened at all. At no time did I willingly edit any part of Wikipedia while my account was blocked. If I did I did not know about it while I was editing from my IP account and I received no notifications of it in my email. Are you telling me that if my user account is blocked from editing Wikipedia, I can simply log out and continue to edit Wikipedia articles with just my IP (a WP:SOFTBLOCK was placed on this account?) I do not believe that is how it works in my case as I received NO notification of a soft block on my account, nor was I attempting to hide my IP. Again, I did not knowingly edit ANY Wikipedia articles while this account was blocked. 日本古武道 (talk) 20:56, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think there's some misunderstanding here. Editing from an account, and then logging out and editing as an IP on the same pages (which makes it look like two people supporting the same thing) is not allowed - even when the account is not blocked. While that, specifically, is not block evasion, it is a form or sockpuppetry. That is what appears to have happened at Hokushin Ittō-ryū and is what led to the block. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:21, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Next, this account was blocked at "05:02, 23 October 2017, UTC" (as shown in the block log) and then User:14.132.3.250 continued to edit at Talk:Hokushin Ittō-ryū. That is not allowed and is block evasion - block evasion is editing anywhere other than your account talk page when your account is blocked. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:25, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Boing! said Zebedee OK I did not know that this account was blocked until just recently. I was not able to log into my account (or willing to) from another computer I was using, and apparently my account was blocked without my knowing. I did edit the talk, but I did not know my account was blocked on the 23rd, as I was not notified nor logging in, so technically I did violate something by defualt. Why was my IP and account listed as a vandal exactly at Hokushin Ittō-ryū? An edit war? SO now, my editing content outside of this account is just legitimate enough for me to be labeled a vandal and blocked, perhaps? I take it that I am free to edit content without an account, but I am not allowed to do so from my IP if I have an account under any circumstances? Because I am not seeing everything here and I am being accused of particular circumstance that happened just recently while I was chatting on my IP talk page.日本古武道 (talk) 21:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, I can see that you might not have been aware that your account had been blocked. The key thing is to be very careful not to look like you are two different people editing in the same areas, especially not contested or controversial areas. I think if you make a commitment never to edit in the same areas logged out that you have edited logged in, that would go a long way towards a possible unblock. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:58, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Boing! said Zebedee Why was I blocked in the first place? 日本古武道 (talk)
 * As far as I can see, for editing Hokushin Ittō-ryū using both your account and logged out from an IP address - see Sockpuppet_investigations/日本古武道/Archive. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:15, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Boing! said Zebedee So I was not guilty of sock puppetry for any other reason than editing the same page logged in and not logged in. Is that against the rules and considered ad hominem sock puppetry at all times or just when you are editing and people don’t like what you have to say and accuse you of vandalism? 日本古武道 (talk) 22:27, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I've explained that it is not allowed because it can appear deceptive, and that is all I can offer. It's now time for bed here, so goodnight. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:33, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * There is a lot of wikilawyering by this account here despite of having received multiple clear explanations. The timeline I've presented at Sockpuppet investigations/日本古武道/Archive would demonstrate that this account was intentionally created and used to gain an advantage in a content dispute. I would recommend the next reviewer to turn off talk page access if the wikilawyering continues. Alex Shih (talk) 22:41, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * There is a lot of wikilawyering by this account here despite of having received multiple clear explanations. The timeline I've presented at Sockpuppet investigations/日本古武道/Archive would demonstrate that this account was intentionally created and used to gain an advantage in a content dispute. I would recommend the next reviewer to turn off talk page access if the wikilawyering continues. Alex Shih (talk) 22:41, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Alex Shih It looks like that. Problem is that was -me- using two different computers on the image and in my edits, I am not sure how that gives me an advantage in anything there in my arguments as it is clearly me writing the same thing and plainly address that I’m not a puppet and I have an account on my talk page. It’s clearly me under both accounts. I even explained here in my first block removal request, then again. And now here. Kinda weird that after I am constantly asked to create an account by Wikipedia,  after I am locked out of my old Mekugi account because the email was attached to a website email that no longer exists, I switch between computers, logged out on another and in again, and then accused of sock puppetry for that. As for “Wikilawyering” yeah...I am defending my position here and did not realize what had happened to my account on the 23rd, because I was constantly being accused of vandalism and harassed. So I am ‘Wikifending’ myself. Actually after reading this, I am not sure this is worth the time. I will use it in a group I run though...this makes a good point about mob rule.

日本古武道 (talk) 23:50, 30 October 2017 (UTC)


 * As I have suspected, this is the first time you have finally revealed your former account, . The question here is, how many other accounts do you have? As you have failed to make any disclosure until now, this is not a valid Clean start, and it's only fair to ask that question. Since the final edit of was at 08:52, 21 February 2011 and the first edit of  was 00:56, 23 September 2017, I find it unconvincing that you simply hopped around different IPs for six years. As another fellow Wikipedian in Japan, I am inclined to help, but there's clearly a longterm clash of conflict of interests according to contribution history of this account and  (which operated  and has been also blocked accordingly). So please make proper disclosure of any other accounts, IPs, COI, and then we can move on to discuss unblock and resolve the content disputes. Alex Shih (talk) 04:09, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Alex Shih OK: 1) No one asked and I didn’t realized that mattered. 2) I haven’t edited Wikipedia for a looooooooooong time. Actually, when you see my IP pop up is actually when I started making edits again.
 * Actually I’m not trying to make a “clean start.” Matter of fact the only reason I made this account was to get one device to stop bothering me when I edit Wikipedia on a secured line. When my IP was blocked by another moderator on my normal console, I honestly just recently realized that this account was here was being blocked and targeted as a “sock puppetry” (my IP was blocked yesterday, hence here we are.) I was actually not using this account unless I was on that device at the time.

So yeah...short version: Unblock my IP and I’ll walk out on this account. I’m not interested in using accounts, it’s used used to get into situations like this. I don’t believe there’s a way to get Mekugi back, the email was a website that I discontinued and the password is...well, forgetten over the last 6 years. Incidentally, if I edit from an IP, but I have an account...you’re telling me I have to disclose my old, defunct account from years back, when I’m not asked every time?I had no idea...that’s a bit thick and not navigatable, isn’t it?

Anyway happy Halloween. 日本古武道 (talk) 07:42, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The short answer to your last question would be WP:LOGOUT. You seem to be suggesting that this not the first time your account was blocked for sock puppetry, yet the account of was never blocked. This has to be answered before moving on to IP unblock, which would also unlikely be done unless if there is a commitment to refrain from edit warring again. Happy Halloween. Alex Shih (talk) 07:54, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * @Alex Shih That’s not what I am saying (suggesting). At all. As you can see I have never had a ‘sock puppetry’ issue prior to this, and that was not what I meant. I am not interested in edit wars really, actually not interested in editing Wikipedia now that I think on it. But my integrity was questioned, so I’m in this mess. So do what you want! It would be nice to correct an error in something I see, without being jumped on, but meh that won’t happen. You can leave me blocked if you want. Makes your life easier. Hey you know where I am though from my IP and I am not hard to find! Look me up if you are here huh! :) 日本古武道 (talk) 08:13, 31 October 2017 (UTC)