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Transgender
Notable people of Transgender
 * Niluka Ekanayake - Governor of Central Province of Sri Lanka

References https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/maha-sanga-protests-appointment-of-first-transgender-governor/

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Hi there, thanks for your edits to the intersex page. It is stronger and more complete as a result of recent changes. It is my view that the intersections between intersex and LGBT might merit their own article at some point. So much of the intersex page already acts as a way of signposting readers to more detail. Trankuility (talk) 01:26, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hello -sche! I'm thinking of starting a new article on gender identity under Title IX in the educational context, what with this month's headline-grabbing pronouncement from the DOJ/DOE, and today's multi-state lawsuit in response. Perhaps you'd like to give it some attention as I work on it -- I'm in love with your editing skills, and you seem to be quite interested in the subject matter. For now it is here: User:Y/Gender identity under Title IX. Cheers! -- Y not? 22:00, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Update - Now in mainspace: Gender identity under Title IX.  -- Y not? 21:49, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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Intersex
Please stop your edits on the intersex page. They have been reverted before by me or by User:WhatamIdoing. Trankuility (talk) 22:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * ...without addressing the issue I raised. -sche (talk) 22:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * How about this as a compromise? -sche (talk) 22:41, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Your comments on same-sex attraction seem predicated on intersex people homogeneously understanding intersex bodies as being a third sex, while your comments on transgender as a form of intersex rely on non WP:MEDRS theories and fringe theories. This is not based on any understanding or reading of the rest of the article, and so shows a non WP:NPOV. The reasoning that intersex people cannot be same sex attracted and that transgender people are intersex has the effect of ruling out other categories such as trans woman, trans man, as well as issues with the separation of sexual orientation and gender identity as concepts. It is not necessary to include every inconsistent or poorly considered fringe theory. It is my hope that folks at WikiProject Medicine will turn their attention to the pages on causes of transsexuality that have some similar content. Trankuility (talk) 23:43, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it's important to not over-emphasize the edge cases in this article. According to the majority of mainstream sources, intersex and transsexuality are separate categories.  It is true that an intersex person can have any sexual orientation and any gender identity.  It's true that any person, of any sexual orientation or any gender identity, could be intersex (knowingly or not).  However:
 * the typical transsexual person is not biologically intersex,
 * the typical intersex person does not identify as transsexual, and
 * transsexuality is not a type of intersex (because "brain function" or "internal psychology" isn't on the widely accepted list of what constitutes intersex).
 * I know that some trans people hope that they'll find some "scientific biological reason" for their gender identity, rather than feeling stigmatized as "crazy". (This hope is inevitable in cultures with as much biological reductionism as ours, and would probably be inevitable anyway just due to the differential in stigma.)  However, at this point in time, given the current state of mainstream POVs, etc., I think it's important to avoid trying to squeeze in this idea that maybe transsexuality is mostly caused by biology, so maybe it's intersex, too.  It's not helpful.  Because intersex is defined as a certain short list of specific biological results, even incontrovertible proof that transsexuality was 100% biological wouldn't change this categorization.  Up until the mainstream academic POV changes – and specifically until the mainstream academic POV of experts specializing in intersex conditions changes – to say that transsexuality is a kind of intersex, then we should continue to say that a person can be both trans and intersex, but they're completely separate considerations that don't coincide very often (mostly due to the rarity of both conditions).  WhatamIdoing (talk) 11:51, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, User:WhatamIdoing. I thought it might be helpful to share a link to our earlier discussion on your talk page (this). It might even be useful to transclude it onto the Talk:Intersex page, if you're agreeable? Trankuility (talk) 12:41, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

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Please, please, please - could you post on the talk page of the Two Spirit article before you go making substantial changes regarding gender that have colonial influences while using dominant culture terminology that is not applicable? You are creating a huge amount of work for indigenous editors. It's incredibly frustrating. Indigenous girl (talk) 20:46, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. You are making huge mistakes here. I've cleaned up a bunch, but at this point I'm going to just go back to reverting. You are adding "sources" that are just a title and a year, without even an author name, let alone publication data. This is a 101 level of WP policy violation as editors can't even check those sources. Other "sources" by non-Natives that you've added do not even source the content you've added. This has been a problem with almost every one of these sections. I agree with Iggy that you are relying on colonial views and voices, and this is totally skewing the content. It is also undue weight to plop these huge sections into Indigenous articles without any attempt to integrate them into the existing content of the article, and without any understanding of the cultures you are trying to write about. Please read the Two Spirit article again, more carefully. We've really worked to explain why this type of approach is a huge problem. - <b style="color:#44018F;">Co</b><b style="color: #003878;">rb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 21:26, 13 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry; I appreciate you taking so much time to go over the concerns with some of the sources and terms, and revise most of the articles. If I make any more edits to this area, I'll be more careful about sourcing.
 * The two sentences in the Crow Nation article which cover this topic also have the same issues, as a result of my having edited it years ago (I think, aside from the articles I recently edited which you two have helped clean up, it is the only other article, aside from the one about the specific person Osh-Tisch, to which I recall adding info about two-spirits), including citing Williams and Lang, but I know has written/spoken about the topic, so I've removed Williams and Lang now, and I'll try to revise the [one remaining] sentence based on Medicine Crow as soon as I'm able (unless one of you or someone else beats me to it).
 * For the Mohave article, what do you think of this as a sentence to add to the ==Culture== section, perhaps right after its mention of Devereux and his extensive fieldwork, or perhaps elsewhere (e.g. a lower-down subsection if that seems more appropriate):
 * Devereux reported that the Mohave historically had initiation rituals for men, women, alyha (male-bodied individuals who, as early as childhood, adopted the same clothing and work as women), and hwame (female-bodied individuals who adopted the clothing and role of men).
 * ? Or do you have suggestions for improvement?
 * Also, don't forget to sign all your posts with WP:FOURTILDES. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 00:25, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

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