User talk:009o9/Archive 4

January 2016
Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Melodic Expressions: The Art of the Line, from its old location at User:009o9/Melodic Expressions (iBook). This is because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. North America1000 02:06, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Topher Straus, from its old location at User:009o9/Topher Straus. This is because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. North America1000 02:09, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * @User:Northamerica1000 not clear on why you are going through my user space, but why don't you just tag these instead of moving them? Topher Straus' career does not seem to be going anywhere and the iBook article may also become a user-delete. Moving the articles to the Draft space seems like just an added layer of complexity.009o9 (talk) 02:30, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * My efforts are to reduce the backlog at Category:Stale userspace drafts, where these drafts were listed, and it seemed possible that these drafts may be about notable topics. If you would like them deleted, you can add Db-author atop the pages. North America1000 02:33, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * @User:Northamerica1000. I'm not an inactive editor, but these files are mixed in with a bunch of redirects to published/moved articles. I'm not sure about the consequences, or utility, of deleting the redirects. Perhaps if I just remove the Userspace draft tag? (Seems to have done the trick on User:009o9/Contentbridge.) I'm really not interested in sandbox(ing) in the Drafts space and will move them when submitting new artiles to AfD.  Additionally, I also take paid-editing assignments, so a lot of these files do not get moved because the subject already exists and are updated through edit requests. Is there an automated way to be notified that I have stale drafts? In some cases, careers are on hold for various reasons (child rearing etc.) and the subject just needs a little press to to get through AfD which is brutal these days on WP:N. Thanks! 009o9 (talk) 03:00, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I see that you requested deletion of the following pages, which resulted in their deletion: Draft:Melodic Expressions: The Art of the Line, Draft:Topher Straus, User:009o9/Contentbridge. I have proceeded to speedy delete the following redirects to the deleted pages per WP:G8, as pages dependent on a deleted page: User:009o9/Melodic Expressions (iBook) and User:009o9/Topher Straus. North America1000 12:02, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * @User:Northamerica1000 thanks for that! No history to maintain on those drafts, so that makes sense. I figured out how to filter out the redirects from my view of contributions, I'll try to tidy things up and make some determinations on the hopefuls. Thanks again! 009o9 (talk) 16:20, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:009o9/Craig Schwartz (Photographer)
User:009o9/Craig Schwartz (Photographer), a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:009o9/Craig Schwartz (Photographer) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User:009o9/Craig Schwartz (Photographer) during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Legacypac (talk) 02:59, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Some money for you
Hello,, and welcome to Wikipedia! While efforts to improve Wikipedia are always welcome, unfortunately your contributions are not written in an English that is good enough to be useful. You appear to be more familiar with French; did you know there is a French Wikipedia? You may prefer to contribute there instead. In any case, welcome to the project, and thank you for your efforts! If you need help, please feel free to notify me on my talk page. tamil 14:40, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome!

Bonjour,, et bienvenue sur Wikipédia. Bien que les efforts pour améliorer Wikipédia soient toujours bienvenus, vos contributions en anglais ne sont malheureusement pas d'une qualité suffisante pour être utiles. Vous semblez être plus familier avec le français. Savez-vous qu'il existe un Wikipédia en français? Il est possible que vous préfériez contribuer à cet endroit. En tout cas, bienvenue dans le projet, et merci de vos efforts! Si vous avez besoin d'aide, vous pouvez m'en faire part sur ma page de discussion. tamil 14:40, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Bienvenue!

Infopage100
Thank you so much, man! I'm a newbie, so I really don't know all of the tricks yet. I have made a few edits though. Just check out these pages:


 * Avicii Discography
 * Dimitri Vangelis & Wyman
 * Zedd Discography

After checking those pages out, tell me what you think, man. I added three songs to the list of singles under the discography table on Dimitri Vangelis & Wyman. I also added an "Unreleased songs" table to Avicii discography and Zedd discography. If you want, you can probably make the background grey, and the letters bold for the unreleased songs on Avicii discography and Zedd discography. I'm just sayin', if you want... Thank you again for the edit on Lindsey Stirling's discography page. I really do appreciate your help. Infopage100 (talk) 11:07, 7 February 2016 (UTC)


 * @Infopage100 Welcome! You have to be cautious about adding sections to discographies. The infobox at the top right the discography article (see below), generally reflect the count of items in the section. Traditionally, the section names are predefined. You can read about the template here Template:Infobox artist discography. Also, the Wikipedia has a set style (color scheme), but bold and non bold text would probably be alright for differentiating between released and unreleased songs as long as you notify the reader. Since you are interested in discographies, here is the style guide. WikiProject Discographies/style  Cheers, I'll be away from the computer for a while. 009o9 (talk) 12:47, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I really appreciate your work. And yes, I do enjoy work on those discographies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infopage100 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Seriously, I cannot stand this format!! :)
Wanted to let you know that one of the videos on the Jennifer Cook O'Toole page isn't mine at all -- I believe there were a few I suggested in another note. If it's possible to use them, I think MANY more folks would benefit.

Re: Sesame. Anne-Louise Richards, a girl I mentor (I can link you to an article about that!) drew it on commission for me. Here's the link to that piece: https://www.joomag.com/magazine/zoom-autism-magazine-issue-3-spring-2015/0212842001427167663

If there's a way to privately message, I'll happily give you my email to make this process easier!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GingerJenny (talk • contribs) 16:14, 8 February 2016 (UTC)


 * GingerJenny I sent an email to you via Wikipedia, so if you check the account you have registered with Wikipedia you can respond to my em personal address. 009o9 (talk) 19:38, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

February 2016
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give War of Resistance (film) a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into another page with a different name. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Requests for history merge. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 15:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Diannaa, I completely forgot about the article history, there was no talk page discussion and the redirect template seemed to handle that. I have, in the past, created some articles C&P, but I haven't made a move like this, prior to this one. Another editor grabbed some old unfinished content from my user space and pasted/moved? into War of Resistance (film). Although it did get me off the fence, I wasn't real happy about having to spend the time fixing defects in my half-finished draft at a moment's notice. While I was burning the time, I went ahead changed the redirect CP and some inter-wiki links for completeness. Thank you for handling the history merge, going forward, I'll use the Move tool when there is a history involved. 009o9 (talk) 18:11, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Never Gonna Be the Same Again (March 6)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by RadioFan was:

The comment they left was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


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RadioFan (talk) 13:37, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

BNY Mellon
Thanks again for your help with The Bank of New York Mellon article. I appreciate you making those edits even though our thoughts on who should make them differ. There's actually one last item to be done, if it isn't too much. I responded on the Talk page here and wanted to make sure saw it. I totally understand if you're not interested though. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 14:05, 11 December 2015 (UTC)


 * @Heatherer Hey, can I get a favor? Does this article deserve multiple perpetual POV hats? You'll have to expand the Multiple issues hat to see them. There are individual sections that the tagging editor has not responded to on the Talk page if you want to weigh in there. Anthony Marinelli (This is one of my paid articles.)


 * Sorry I missed this notification somehow. It looks like this got resolved, but is there anything else I can do to help? I'm more than happy to take a look. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 15:12, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Heatherer Thank you, another editor went above and beyond my request for a talk page opinion and gave the article a thorough redline. My contention is that with an active editor, discussions belong on the talk page and inline tags are much more helpful. Thanks again! 009o9 (talk) 17:02, 18 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi again! I just wanted to let you know that I posted a few new updates for the BNY Mellon article on the Talk page. I waited to see if any editors who had the page watchlisted might respond, but no luck. You'd mentioned before that I could reach out about small updates, so...here I am! If you have time to look the edits over, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 17:06, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

"Record"
You wrote, " It was User:Richhoncho who took a very narrow definition of the word "record" in this discussion. He was reading "record" in the context of a vinyl LP is slang (record album)." I have to say I still say a song is a song and the method of delivery is not the song. If you can't understand that very basic concept... --Richhoncho (talk) 11:20, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * @Richhoncho Here is the problem I'm having with your logic, none of the following can occur if the song has not been recorded:


 * Has been ranked on national or significant music or sales charts.
 * Has won one or more significant awards or honors, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.
 * Has been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands, or groups.


 * (If the Songs section was once about unrecorded songs, it isn't anymore.)


 * In addition to the three line-items above, you also cannot get an album review done on unrecorded music, nor release an unrecorded single. Most of the verbiage in NSONGS belongs nested within the Recordings section.  There is absolutely no reason why a recorded song should not fall under the same SEVEN line-items in the Recordings section, not the just THREE in NSONGS (which 2 are duplicates anyway).


 * Additionally, just because a song does not get released as a single, does not mean that it did not become notable. The way the guideline is currently written, only singles and albums can be notable without charting. There are tons of notable B-Sides that never got radio spins that are considered the best cut on the album etc.


 * Have a look at what I am doing here: User:009o9/Draft NSONGS RFC If you think we need a section called "Unrecorded songs" let's work on it. Cheers! 009o9 (talk) 12:03, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I think you are wasting your time and I can find other ways to waste mine. But I will give you a thought or two - The concept of charting is misleading, it means a song that reaches #146 in the nowhere chart is considered "notable" even though there are no RS (other than the chart), no information, and nothing about "the song." A further problem with recordings are those songs created and passed from performer to performer, so although there is no specific recording that is notable, the song most certainly is i.e. much of the blues cannon, folk songs, child ballads etc etc. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:17, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * @User:Richhoncho: Notability certainly has a property that involves longevity, but Wikipedia also requires that reliable sources attach some significance to the song. I don't think that any amount of massaging the guideline is going to change the fact that nobody is writing about it. Why don't you become the reliable source and write about it yourself?
 * Concerning recorded music, which is realistically what we are dealing with here, I don't understand your resistance. The way the Wikipedia is today, you have to establish notability with tons of references to get through AfC. I've seen declines with 30 good references. Sorry if this has been a waste of your time, I use AfC on a regular basis and sometimes get some really oddball AfDs.  The project guidelines are so poorly written and disorganized that it is worth my time to try to clean them up, rather than go through the same nonsense in AfC forever. Cheers! 009o9 (talk) 12:55, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't be an idiot. A song may become notable because of a recording, but it is still the song that is notable. That's why you are wasting time. Goodbye. --Richhoncho (talk) 13:48, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

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