User talk:1.145.60.21

October 2023
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at List of political parties in Turkey. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Shadow4dark (talk) 08:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
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Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at List of political parties in Turkey, you may be blocked from editing. Shadow4dark (talk) 17:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Regarding ideology of "Zafer Partisi", you do not add any reference to your input but you still suggest "Ultranationalism".
 * I kindly ask you to add reference your input,
 * You can also check the references reading through the page below,
 * https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zafer_Partisi 1.145.21.45 (talk) 02:44, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * the references is provided on English page of Zafer partisi and it states ultranationalism. Please do self revert as your edits is unsourced and not supported on their page and you will be likely blocked for edit war. On your second comment we can pick up te best sourced ideology and that is anti imigration ultranationalism and eventually Kemalism but your other edits is unsourced and not "Cherry picking". Shadow4dark (talk) 03:11, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Zafer Partisi doesn't state itself "Ultranationalist" but "Kemalist" and "Pan-Turkist"
 * As to be objective, "Kemalism" and "Pan-Turkism" should be added into ideology when one refers to Victory party ENWP where related sources linked in the References to solve the dispute for this conversation and end-up "cherry picking" detailed in the next para.
 * "Cherry picking" on this subject is still valid due to no information provided to clarify who is mutually accepted or agreed as authority (here "we" as per your reply - but I only see the edits of same person) to decide the best sourced ideology and limit it to "Ultranationalism" and "Anti-immigration"
 * Again, what is the criteria of "best sourced ideology"?
 * If we come back to my edits,
 * If one goes through the manifest of Zafer Partisi, Party declares itself as "Kemalist", "Pan-Turkist", "Turkish Nationalist" and "National Conservatist"
 * Even "blocking" notifications, I still claim "Kemalism" and "Pan-Turkism" should be added to Ideology.
 * Related references to subject once again added here 1.145.112.145 (talk) 04:32, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * "Kemalism" and "Pan-Turkism" is not good sourced. Please add your Reliable sources on their page before making these changes, Also we prefer independent sources rather than their own claims. [[User:Shadow4dark|Shadow4dark (talk) 04:41, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * And in addition, even if you go through Victory Party (Turkey), you can see "Kemalism" and "Pan-Turkism" in ideology section. What is done in this case is "cherry picking". One may pick and add any ideology as she/he wishes.
 * This will then lead to misinformation. I am pretty sure, we agree on this, that should not be allowed here.
 * If "cherry picking" is applied to Zafer Partisi, I would also appreciate you to add "Nationalism", "Anti-Islam", "Anti-Immigration" to Party for Freedom here in this list.
 * List of political parties in the Netherlands 1.145.21.45 (talk) 03:08, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Dutch party states far right and right wing populist? You can't bring other language Wikipedia pages here as it is not a source Shadow4dark (talk) 03:14, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Please read Reliable sources WP:OR and Wikipedia is not a reliable source Shadow4dark (talk) 03:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Furher details to this discussion about Party for Freedom.
 * As to what I've realized, either Party for Freedom ENWP webpage not browsed or there is no distinct difference between position and Ideology of List of Political parties in the Netherland ENWP.
 * Again here, No idea who is the decision maker to state Party for Freedom as just "Right-wing populism" and not "Anti-Islam" or Anti-Immigration"
 * Strange though. Because same WP rules should apply to others. 1.145.112.145 (talk) 05:01, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Despite your Whataboutism arguments. İf you check the sources of Party for freedom you can see "Right wing populism" has a lot more sources if you check the far right position sources. Shadow4dark (talk) 05:59, 21 October 2023 (UTC)