User talk:1.146.113.232

Waldensians
Hi, I see you are trying to edit the Waldensian page. It would be helpful if you could get a free account and username so that discussion could take place concerning the best way forward with your proposed edits. Mikeatnip (talk) 15:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Mikeatnip Sure ill create one tomorrow morning. About to go to sleep now. Is there an issue with the edits you'd like to discuss? I provided reputable citations for the edits. a big portion of Waldense history was completely missing from the article which needed to be added. 1.146.113.232 (talk) 15:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The issue is that (if you read the talk page and history) is that it is generally understood today that the 18th century Protestant view of the Waldensians was not balanced: the pre-Reformation Waldensians probably looked more like a lay monastic order than a Protestant Church. Some of the information that you have tried to add is already mentioned in the article. I would suggest that you carefully add any information that you feel is pertinent into the section about "Appraisal by Protestants." Make sure that it is not already referenced. Mikeatnip (talk) 16:04, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mikeatnip ok thanks I'll do that. just keep in mind however there is much evidence that the Waldenses had their origins long before Peter Waldo. Ill do as you have asked nonetheless. 1.146.113.232 (talk) 00:28, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * One thing we have to watch out for is equating "Waldensian-like" groups with the Waldensians. The Poor of Lombardy, for example, appear to have had an existence before Peter Waldo. The Poor of Lyons (Waldensians) tried to unite with them, but it didnt work out at first, then later they did unite with them.
 * The other thing to watch out for (as mentioned above) is that in the 1800s some Protestant historians bent over backwards to make the early Waldensians to be Proto-Protestants. In their zeal to make connections, they appear to have created "connections" that may not have existed. Peter Waldo, for example, believed in the mass, veneration of Mary, etc. for some time after he gave away his wealth and started preaching. Exactly when and even if he abandoned these beliefs is not clear.
 * So, you may know this if you have read much history, but the stories from before the last couple hundred years get really messy and contradictory sometimes. We have to make do with what we have. The story of the early Waldensians is not as clear as many people want to make it.
 * I suggest making small edits at a time and let other contributors weigh in on them. Some years ago this page had some rough times with different editors promoting different sides of the story. I have been watching it for about 10 years now probably and have seen some back and forths with how to tell the story here. :-)
 * Don't let my reversions stop you from improving the page; just maybe go a little more carefully is my advice. Mikeatnip (talk) 01:54, 18 March 2023 (UTC)