User talk:100.8.174.93

June 2020
Hello, I'm Landihan. I noticed that you recently removed content from Bergen Community College without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page.  On Wikipedia content much content is meant to illustrate the past. Landihan (talk) 17:02, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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Happy editing! Landihan (talk) 17:03, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

ANI notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --Alansohn (talk) 18:02, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

June 2020
Your addition to Bergen Community College has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images&mdash;you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Copying text from other sources for more information. Deor (talk) 18:12, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, 100.8.174.93. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Bergen Community College, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
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 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:Spam);
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Hillelfrei  talk   18:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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Bergen Community College Entry
Hello,

The entry to Bergen Community College is woefully outdated and provides no information, but other editors keep reverting the copy back to previous versions. We are not placing promotional copy on the page - this is all strictly fact-based. We are seeking input and assistance to prevent poor content in this page.
 * Hello, you added the same info from a site word by word. Also it has to be a reliable source. And last, you must delclare if you have a connecton to the College. Please read, Copyrights Best, Signed, The4lines &#124;&#124;&#124;&#124; (You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 18:25, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Help!

 * Correct - it's from a brochure that I wrote for the College. I am an authorized representative of the institution. If I must declare my affiliation, I see two options: 1. I declare and the information stands; or 2. have someone else take the content and add it to Wiki. I don't understand why this information, which is factual and legitimate is somehow worse than the content that keeps being reverted to.::
 * You may still not add it, unless Donating copyrighted materials you donate it if you are really a representative of the institution. You must declare if you have COI, and if you are getting paid. See Paid-contribution disclosure Signed, The4lines &#124;&#124;&#124;&#124; (You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 18:32, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Getting Correct Content
OK, that's all fine and good, but how can the content of this entry be updated legitimately, then? As is, the entry is useless. It provides no real information or background on the institution. We don't field many of the athletic teams listed, the enrollment is wrong, as-is the endowment and the name of the president. If I can't fix this entry as a way to convey correct information, who can? I'm really at a loss here.
 * You can do it when you find good sources to use. Not the offical website as it is connected with the topic. (Like NYT, WSJ, like that) Other then that, you can't put the info on. Signed, The4lines &#124;&#124;&#124;&#124; (You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 19:01, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * You have three options: (1) use Template:Request edit to request on Talk:Bergen Community College any edits that you think are needed, backing up each suggested change with one or more references, (2) get whoever holds the copyright of the material to e-mail Wikipedia a declaration of consent, allowing us—and anyone else—to reuse the material under certain conditions, or (3) add the information again, but in wording completely different from that used in the copyrighted documents, with references that back up the information. Some of the material you added was not really suitable to an encyclopedia article, since it was promotional or peacocky, so in the latter two cases the information you add would have to be selected carefully for relevance and neutrality. For simple things like the name of the president or the athletic teams, you can cite the college's Web site as a reference, but for material that might be challenged, you should cite third-party sources. It would also be helpful if you created an account, since having one makes it easier for other editors to communicate with you. (An IP may change, and I don't think that IPs receive notifications that messages have been posted on their talk page.) Deor (talk) 19:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed to what User:Deor said. Signed, The4lines &#124;&#124;&#124;&#124; (You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 19:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Not Understanding
How can other sources (as you said, the NYT/WSJ/etc.) have better or more factual information than the College itself? We are our own source. We publish our own data. We own the data. Can we just cite the copy from the document it came from? There is, simply, no other way to publish factual information on the College - we are not covered by the media in any significant way.
 * Because we do not put info from sources that are very connected to the Topic. So yes basiclly it has to been covered by the media in one way or the other. Please read WP:RSPRIMARY for more info about sources. Signed, The4lines &#124;&#124;&#124;&#124; (You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 19:07, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Other NJ Community Colleges
I disagree that Wikipedia does not allow content that doesn't come from media sources. For instance, on our sister colleges, much of the content is not cited from a source or, if it is from a source, it's a self-posted source (such as the college itself!): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookdale_Community_College

I would recommend all of these pages - and many, many others - are taken down as well. Otherwise, I feel we are being discriminated against. Please advise.
 * You can only do what User:Deor said. Sorry, that's the rules of wikipedia. Signed, The4lines &#124;&#124;&#124;&#124; (You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 19:22, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Respectfully Ask for Edits
With this being the case, I respectfully ask that the Bergen Community College entry be edited to include updated and correct information. I would gladly do so myself, but I am prohibited from doing so, as has been noted. Thank you.
 * He might be able help. Signed, The4lines &#124;&#124;&#124;&#124; (You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 19:29, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd advise you to use Template:Request edit on the article's talk page, as I suggested above, for each change that you think is needed, wording your request in "change X to Y" form and supplying a reference to back up your change. Don't request a major rewriting of the article—concentrate on what information is incorrect in the article rather than on the way the information is presented. Other editors will review your requests and either implement the changes or explain why they are undesirable. Deor (talk) 19:42, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I gave this my best shot, but the college website doesn't make it easy to cite things like enrollment and history. I used news reports where I could to supplement BCC's own publications, and also worked on the refs and the chronology in the section on the 2014 events. It's not entirely true that non-independent sources are not allowed, but no sources can be copied because of the nature of our license (your earlier contributions have been expunged from public view) and we are not an advertising medium so the style and length required are very different; and non-independent sources can't be used to establish notability (which is not the issue here) and should be used as sparingly as possible, so what I did was to pick from several of them and add news sources to corroborate what I could. As a matter of fact, I'd say the college is covered more in the local press than many I've worked on. Are the enrollment and the sports accurate now? Note what I said in my edit summary about the president line in the infobox having to remain blank for now, until a permanent appointment is made. Yngvadottir (talk) 00:00, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Appreciate the Effort
Thank you for at least updating the page so that some of the current information is featured. The entry is still woefully unfocused (as it pertains to athletics and a "free speech" issue that is ancient history at this point) and doesn't focus on anything that's central to the College's mission and history. As part of a larger project, though, we're going to try create an entry that contains sourced material going forward. Again, we do appreciate the effort.

Sockpuppet investigation
Signed, The4lines &#124;&#124;&#124;&#124; (You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 20:13, 10 June 2020 (UTC)