User talk:104.158.239.148

February 2020
Your recent editing history at Crash Talk shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 08:07, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The reason why I think your edits are unsourced because Baby Keem is only credited as Hykeem Carter in the album's liner notes, right here. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 08:37, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * TheAmazingPeanuts You can't always trust Tidal, record labels sometimes rush the credits for whatever they're putting out for the initial release, then better information becomes available later as songs get registered in databases like BMI and ASCAP and are properly finalized. Tidal sometimes updates the credits for that specific content if the record label reissues it, or BMI and ASCAP is updated instead and newer and more reliable info comes from there. Then you put all these sources together to add the most accurate information possible. 104.158.239.148 (talk) 08:47, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That is kinda true, Tidal don't always have the album's credits right. I usually check to other websites for album credits, such as Discogs and BMI, at Discogs sometimes you can see a picture of the album's credits. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 08:59, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * TheAmazingPeanuts Well believe me or not, but I'll always put accurate info when it comes these things. I usually add source with it too if it's necessary and hasn't already been sourced from its article or article link, and somehow someone hasn't noticed it within the source. Discogs is like Tidal, it doesn't always have it right, usually BMI and ASCAP has the most updated and accurate info. 104.158.239.148 (talk) 09:22, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I also have a problem with your editing such as this, you added Axlfolie in the producers credits, just because they credited in the songwriting doesn't mean they produced it. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * TheAmazingPeanuts Record producers are also songwriters/composers, so they will always be credited in that section too. If a producer has a songwriter/composer credit on a song, 99 percent of the time they most likely had production on that song. I added a source to that to compensate it. 104.158.239.148 (talk) 09:46, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't fully agree with that. BMI is not enough, the website only credited songwriters not producers. If an uncredited producer is supported by a source claiming they produced the song, that be fine. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 10:00, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * TheAmazingPeanuts BMI and ASCAP only shows songwriters/composers because that's their job, the songwriter/composer title is how musicians are compensated for their work. The meaning of producer nowadays is an added label to showcase a songwriters/composers work to the public. It's not whether you agree with it or not, it's the case of how it works in the music industry and its practices. 104.158.239.148 (talk) 10:15, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Recent edit to Allen Ritter
Hello. I noticed that you made an edit to a biography of a living person (Allen Ritter), but that you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. Wikipedia has a strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! Materialscientist (talk) 07:31, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Don't claim genres are at sources when they're not
I don't know who you think you're fooling, but the words "hip hop" are not mentioned at the Pitchfork review, and the album is not referred to as drill in it. I'd suggest you don't continue edit warring, as if you do, I'll gladly report you to an admin or WP:AN/EW, so don't try it. It is irrelevant how obvious you think a genre is. It should not be there if you can't source it. Simple. WP:V.  Ss  112   05:40, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ss112 I'm not fooling anyone, and you don't have to threaten to report me, I did source it correctly, you might've not read the article all the way;


 * "...Meet the Woo 2, provides more gritty drill music you can clench your jaw to." This line clearly refers "Meet the Woo 2" as "gritty drill music".
 * 104.158.239.148 (talk) 05:55, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Great. Hip hop still isn't mentioned there. Don't act like you haven't gone around to other articles adding sources claiming genres are mentioned at them when they're not. I created the article Orange Soda (song) and just noticed you added a link to Ones to Watch that calls Baby Keem hip hop and trap, but doesn't actually call the song that. Also, don't change bullet point lists to hlists either. You will continue to be reverted if you do this, so stop. Read Template:Infobox song and Template:Infobox album; we list items with bullet points, not hlists now. Thank you.  Ss  112   05:59, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

February 2020
Hello, I'm Ss112. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Orange Soda (song), but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you.  Ss  112   05:59, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ss112 I see you reported me on your suspicion as a "sock". I just looked up what that meant and I can tell you that I'm not what you assume I am. It's truly not that hard to pick up the style of text formatting on here, it's like writing a college assignment and coding at the same time. I don't have an account because it's easier to simply just start editing on here rather than making an account and logging in, call me crazy, but that's just my opinion, it's not required on here, albeit it's preferred.


 * On another note, I don't have a "personal philosophy" about record producers also being songwriters/composers, it's how it's done. Not trying to teach a class for you, but the producer "composes" the melody, drums, etc., aka the beat, and the artist "writes" the lyrics to that, and that's it. They both get songwriter/composer credit for doing their shares. Credits sometimes get updated sooner or later for different releases, and I'm trying to add their credits so it can be presented correctly.
 * 104.158.239.148 (talk) 06:43, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That's not "how it's done". That's what you think, and that's exactly what I meant by "personal philosophy". I don't care what you think producers do. If they're not credited as songwriters, we can't say they are. Full stop. Don't add them as songwriters or will be reverted. And wow, awesome, you know how to look at someone's contributions. You bet I already reported you. You seem to know your way around Wikipedia better than a newbie would (you're even using reFill) and you bet I'm suspicious because of that, so you can say what you like. We'll see what happens. Also, why are you spamming edits on Meet the Woo 2? Are you trying to take it over? Not going to happen, so you can stop with the 10 edits in a row. Stop using unreliable social media sources like Instagram. We need a news source to state when the album was recorded. We don't use social media posts. You can also stop pinging me. Thanks.  Ss  112   07:15, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Meet the Woo.  Ss  112   07:34, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ss112 Sorry to ping you again, but I'm actually tired of the undoing so I'll try to settle this here. Hits Daily Double is a notable source, and I don't understand why you claim it's a "crappy source", when it's been referenced multiple times on these type of articles throughout Wikipedia. I don't think you can singlehandedly claim that. In addition, Worldwide is used like "records" (Republic Records), "entertainment, (Sony Music Entertainment) or "group" (Warner Music Group). Also, more "notable sources" like Variety and NYTimes refer to it as it's shortened name (Victor Victor), which implies that it can be shortened.
 * 104.158.239.148 (talk) 07:48, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Edit: The source was actually AllAccess, which may be a more reliable source, but nonetheless isn't "crappy". Also to mention that AllAccess also references "Victor Victor" without "Worldwide" as well.
 * 104.158.239.148 (talk) 08:06, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm aware sources shorten the name. That doesn't mean it needs to be nor should be, and I do not think Worldwide is necessarily or always comparable to words that more commonly feature in record label and company names.


 * As for Hits Daily Double, you're conflating "notability" and "reliability". While it may be a notable enough topic on Wikipedia, although it redirects to the magazine it was spun off of, I was saying it's "crappy" because, while not used for that purpose here, its sole purpose for existing is to push industry gossip and guesstimate where albums will debut on the US albums chart and with how many units, without disclosing how it arrived at said conclusions. Anything it publishes should be disregarded on sight. The spread of rumours without sources makes it unreliable in and of itself—one of its main features is a column called "Rumor Mill". This tells us all we need to know. Sources are listed at WP:RSP for the same reasons ("fake news") and also the same types of sources are listed at WP:BADCHARTS for having an unknown methodology for calculating figures; Hits Daily Double is exactly the same sort of thing. While there is no consensus on its reliability (yet), there are ways we can determine the reliability of sources without needing to establish a discussion on WP:RSN. If it's used on other articles, it shouldn't be, and besides, that doesn't make it reliable. Other articles may not have been looked over by a more experienced editor. "Other articles do this" is not and has never been a great method to base editing off of.


 * This is getting away from the point at hand. We don't need to shorten everything and you shouldn't necessarily be looking for ways to. It's not something I'm interested in arguing over.  Ss  112   08:30, 20 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I want to reach a general consensus about this. When I took a look at the Rumor Mill section, it generally looks more like a marketing term rather than actual rumors; Rumor Mill posted about the murder of Pop Smoke, which is a fact, not fiction. Another legitimate fact, Eminem's Rap God hitting 1 billion views on YouTube is also true. While there are rumors, such as Adele possibly dropping an album in September, and gossip like this, most of the information from it appears to be factual and true, and shouldn't be downplayed because they also publish articles like the last two. Also, neither WP:RSP nor WP:BADCHARTS have Hits Daily Double or AllAccess listed. To me, it looks like you're discrediting them based on your own experiences with these sources.


 * Regarding the "Worldwide" issue, I'd like to get some input from other editors on here if possible and reach consensus on that because it shouldn't be only you believe it shouldn't be shortened. I'm not trying to shorten everything much to your exaggeration, I was only trying to "shorten" that. I want to help present the article in the best way possible. I apologize for the bickering earlier.
 * 104.158.239.148 (talk) 10:21, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I never claimed Hits Daily Double was listed at RSP or BADCHARTS. If you read what I said, you'd know I pointed those out because of what it shares with sources listed at those two pages. Regardless of what you may believe, I am far from the only editor who thinks Hits Daily Double is unreliable. It's not "my experience with these sources", it's my experience talking to other editors and the absolute crap they have published in the past, along with their continuing to publish unchecked figures. Even with unreliable sources, you're going to get facts mixed in with the crap. Even with the Daily Mail, an unreliable source blacklisted from use on Wikipedia and listed at WP:RSP, you will get fact mixed in with rumour. That doesn't mean we should be using these sites. I, and other editors, will continue to remove it regardless of your opinion on whether it should be used or not. I'm not arguing about this anymore, so you can continue saying what you like and coming to the defence of a crap website if you want.


 * You will not reach a consensus on a user talk page. User talk pages are not places to establish consensus. You should probably start a section at either Talk:Pop Smoke or Talk:Meet the Woo 2. I am done commenting here. It's not going anywhere constructive, and I'm bored with this back-and-forth. I will only post warnings here if you continue to disregard referencing standards or reinstate your edits without consensus on articles I watch. Thank you.  Ss  112   13:47, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Don't remove streaming as a format from infoboxes
As you did here. It is a valid format, just like downloads are. Edits like this will be reverted in future. Thanks.  Ss  112   23:56, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I need some help with a draft.
I noticed you contributed significantly to Taz Taylors's article.

I have a draft for fellow Internet Money producer KC Supreme that keeps getting denied from admins that don't understand the niche. Was hoping you could help me out since the page and sources are very similar to Taz,s, and you understand the niche and collective.

here is the draft in question.

Draft:KC Supreme 166.70.242.243 (talk) 16:41, 28 October 2022 (UTC)