User talk:108.27.80.2

January 2021
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Beverly Loraine Greene, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. ''Stop doing this. Changing IPs will not help. We are using the spelling we use in the title of the article and the references. If you have a reliable source that shows that this is incorrect then provide it. An IP claiming that he knows better because he saw something somewhere that none of us can check is not a reliable source'' Meters (talk) 01:53, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I cited her Columbia educational records as the source of my change and can send a scan showing her record. Roberta Washington the major scholar of Beverly Lorraine Greene has confirmed the correct spelling of her middle name and says that the incorrect spelling was due to a printing error in one of her articles.

Mary McLeod Professor of Architecture Columbia University


 * No offense, but it is very common for editors to claim all sorts of things in attempts to influence article content. We don't know that you are who you claim to be, or if you really checked, or if it really says what you say it does, or who Roberta Washington is, or if she really is a scholar in this field, or if you really spoke with her. (I've now verified that there is indeed a Professor of Architecture at Columbia named "Mary McLeod" and that there is an architect named "Roberta Washington" with an interest in Greene. I have no reason to doubt you, but that's not enough.) And you did not cite anything. You simply claimed that you checked something.  Please read WP:V. As a university professor you musta know that a citation is not someone simply writing "I looked something up" or "someone else says so". It's a concrete pointer to a source that can be verified. What would you say to a student who tried to use those vague arguments?


 * If the article is wrong then we want to correct it, but we're not going to go against the current sources based on nothing but an IP's unsourced claim that it is wrong. There are certainly sources out there that use the "Lorraine" spelling, but there are more that use the "Loraine" spelling, including "African American Architects: A Biographical Dictionary, 1865–1945", which we cite in our article https://archive.org/details/africanamericana0000unse_p3b4/page/175/mode/2up. I don't know which spelling is correct.
 * If you want to claim to be a professor of architecture at Green's alma mater then create a named Wikipedia account and contact OTRS at info-en-q@wikimedia.org to prove your identity. Your account will then simply be tagged as having had the claimed identity verified. Any information you use to establish your identity will not be published.


 * If you want to use McLeod's opinion as "the major scholar of Beverly Lorraine Greene" to make a claim about the correct spelling of Greene's middle name then show us where  McLeod has published this opinion, and show us that she is an accepted expert in the field.


 * I suggest that you open a discussion on the article's talk page, and provide verifiable reliable sources, not just opinions. It may be that the best solution is to simply mention in the article that both spellings have been used in reliable sources. Meters (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC).
 * And if the middle name is spelled incorrectly then we will also need to rename the article, not just correct the spellings in the article. Meters (talk) 18:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)