User talk:109.76.143.176

Bumblebee
There is no problem with my plot summary. Bumblebee was shown scanning a Beetle. This is explicitly true. I did not say he transforms into the beetle before passing out. I also said that the Beetle transforms into Bumblebee while Charlie is working on him in the garage. This is also explicitly true. And again, after Bumblebee drives off, there is a mid credits scene where he is walking with Optimus in the forest, having met up, as the other Autobots fall from the sky. This, too, is explicitly true. I did not say one way or another whether the truck was Optimus. At this point, you are dealing solely in semantics and are doing more harm than good. Please stop. -- 50.4.172.142 (talk) 17:54, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Seriously, I don't understand why you keep reverting my changes. The Sector 7 mention in my version is more grammatically accurate and flows better as a sentence. And driving next to a "generic freightliner" isn't important to a plot summary. Besides, what sounds better? "Bumblebee drives off and meets up with Optimus" or "Bumblebee drives off next to a truck whose importance we haven't established the importance of in the plot summary. In the next scene, Bumblebee and Optimus happen to be standing next to one another." I'm all for not mentioning anything unsourced, but some of your edits seem to defy common sense and don't read well to a general audience not familiar with the source material and looking for a simple summary, i.e. Wikipedia's primary audience. -- 19:22, 31 December 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.4.172.142 (talk)


 * I may have gotten a little trigger-happy with revert since various idiots are slow edit warring over prequel/reboot.
 * The plot summary was built up gradually through the work of many edits, a rough consensus if you will, so I was perhaps more defensive about it than necessary. It is strange that this film is part 6 in a series, but also part 1 so maybe I'm being overly picky about the phrasing of Sector 7 because I feel like some readers will have no idea who they are, and other readers will know about them from before (and wonder at the bizarre coincidence, of Bumblebee landing right in the middle of a Sector 7 training exercise). I could be convinced to not argue it further, but there were various things about your phrasing and I just didn't like, and a frenchism like "rendezvousing" feels particularly awkward, when there are plenty of simpler words that would do. I'll take more time to consider, not promising I wont change it later. -- 109.76.143.176 (talk) 19:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Trust me, I'm not here to argue whether it's a reboot; even DiBonaventura has been cagey about whether it is or not, so we're probably not going to get an answer to that question until we see what they do with the next movie. Don't worry about being trigger-happy; lord knows I've been guilty of it too. I'm happy to change it to "meeting up with" over "rendezvousing" if it makes it a little more general. -- 50.4.172.142 (talk) 20:01, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Just "meeting" was my first thought, because of WP:FILMPLOT. I cut the plot section down quite short, mostly as an excuse to add more important things back but nothing seems necessary now. -- 109.76.143.176 (talk) 20:08, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The only other plot point I would MAYBE add is something about Charlie developing fear of diving before doing so to save Bee, since they seem to hammer on that a lot, but it's probably fine as is. -- 50.4.172.142 (talk) 20:14, 31 December 2018 (UTC)