User talk:151.177.173.141

December 2023
Hello, I'm AntiDionysius. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions&#32;to Christianity in Turkey have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. AntiDionysius (talk) 22:07, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Constructive? I removed a term that does not have any academic support to it. Whats negative about it? 151.177.173.141 (talk) 22:22, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * First of all, you didn't just remove a term, you removed a link to a page about the Assyrian genocide:
 * "The Sayfo (ܣܲܝܦܵܐ, lit. 'sword'), also known as the Seyfo or the Assyrian genocide, was the mass slaughter and deportation of Assyrian/Syriac Christians in southeastern Anatolia and Persia's Azerbaijan province by Ottoman forces and some Kurdish tribes during World War I"


 * If you disagree with that term, the proper thing to do would be to discuss it at Talk:Sayfo and establish consensus for its removal. Then it would be appropriate to consider removing the link.
 * Secondly, you are simply objectively in the wrong when you say there is "no academic support" for the term. If you scroll down to the references or further reading sections of the Sayfo/Assyrian genocide article, you will find dozens of academic sources using the term. AntiDionysius (talk) 22:40, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * But that doesn’t cover it enough. I mean you decided to copy the first paragraph but why didn’t you add this one: ” Therefore, according to historian David Gaunt, "speaking of an 'Assyrian Genocide' is anachronistic". That is basically what the whole article is set up as. Also the use of this term seem to have been added this century if not even the last decade only. 151.177.173.141 (talk) 10:45, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No one is saying it is a term wholly beyond controversy. There are very few issues of historiography that aren't subject to some contestation and debate. But it is clearly used quite widely, and your assertion that it "does not have any academic support to it" is straightforwardly untrue. Also yeah, of course the term has only really been used in the last century; the genocide in question only occurred 105 years ago.
 * Again, if you'd like to see it changed, you should go to Talk:Sayfo and start a discussion. But I think you are unlikely to get very far, because of the aformentioned widespread use of the term in academic and other sources. AntiDionysius (talk) 10:49, 4 December 2023 (UTC)