User talk:158.174.67.173

Hello I would like a discussion about why Mrs. Karkiainen longtime partnership with a musician from a controversial band playing with right-wing vocabulary was recently removed as "irrelevant and inaccurate". Is the info incorrect? Otherwise it should clearly remain in the article I believe.


 * Well, first of all, Raubtier ain't playing anything near nationalistic or right-wing music, they are mainly playing music that is patriotic locally to the northern parts of Sweden and they also have a few songs about the band members personal hobbies like hunting and interest in the military (a few of the members have been in the armed forces themselves). Being patriotic is nowhere near the same as being nationalistic and like punk music did about 30-40 years ago, protesting against things like globalism and centralism can't automatically make you a controversial right-wing (or left-wing for that part either). Second, in what way are they or their musical act controversial compared to any other heavy metal band out there? What is different from Raubtier to let's say Rammstein, which have inspired Raubtier and their way of playing music a lot? Rammstein, which for example in their song "Amerika" is protesting against in what they see, the americanization of the world and disbelief in that everything, ideas or products, that comes out from the USA is great, the best that has ever been and will be and something that everybody else shoould adapt without any further thought. Raubtier does the same thing in their song "Världsherravälde", they protest against the heavily favored pop music and rap that plays on the mainstream radio channels and tv and want more heavy metal and rock to be played on the radio and tv. In their song "Achtung panzer" they play tribute to the armored forces in Sweden, since some of the members have been employed by the I19 Norrbotten Regiment which have the Norrbotten Armored Battalion incorporated in it's organization. Also, when they in the same song sing that "pansarnäven slår" ("the fist of the armored swings") and "pansarnäven känns" ("the fist of the armored hits"), they point to the fact that the branch insignia of the swedish armored forces is an fist holding a sword, known as "pansarnäven" (which roughly translates to: "The fist of the armored" or "Panzerfist" if you will) in the swedish military community . I can't see why this would be relevant to the article of Ida or that her longtime partner is one of the members in the band. Especially when the band is put with a right-wing mark only beacause any further deepened research into the actual meaning of their lyrics or their band is missing. 158.174.67.173 (talk) 17:22, 21 December 2021 (UTC)