User talk:173.70.28.150

The most complete database, which is fact-checked by several sources, is collected by Fatal Encounters Dot Org, run by long-time journalist D. Brian Burghart. There is complete transparency in the database, including links to EVERY SINGLE POLICE REPORT OR LOCAL MEDIA ARTICLE. That level of transparency is not found in the Washington Post tally which is not as thorough, and relies on widely disseminated statistics voluntarily given by local police departments, not researched or fact-checked.

Is there anything objectionable to the FACTS presented by Fatal Encounters Dot Org?

173.70.28.150 (talk) 21:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC) Response

The Fatal Encounters figure is not suitable for this page because it incorporates suicides.

This is not the case for the other statistics on the page.

The page is a list, likely intended and/or used for comparisons between countries.

Comparing a figure from the US which includes suicides to a figure like the UK's, which only counts police killings which occur via gunshot would be irresponsible.

I would suggest using the FE figure on the US-specific, non-list page, with a caveat that it includes suicides, and without replacing the counts that currently are there / used to be there like the WaPo numbers.

update
Washington Post data for Police Killings ONLY lists "Shot and Killed", and is sourced ONLY from reporting agencies. The data used by the Washington Post in their "Fatal Force" database ONLY lists "people have been shot and killed by police." Their database does not include vehicular homicides, asphyxiation, beatings, stabbings, tasered to death, smoke inhalation (e.g. smoke grenades,) or any other cause of death. For example, the recent death of George Floyd, with MASSIVE national implications, will not be included in their database unless they update their standards.

The database administered by Fatal Encounters Dot Org is reputable, fact checked by multiple sources, completely transparent, and has links to every police report or local news story covering each incident.

Please review here: https://fatalencounters.org/spreadsheets/

Per the request of an anonymous editor, I have eliminated all possible suicides, including "suicide by police" from the final numbers I have edited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Degiovanni (talk • contribs) 04:31, 5 June 2020 (UTC)