User talk:174.85.60.56

Dear KH-1, I ask you do not remove info on new method now exist in the market which were developed by Pools by Nature. These new advanced technological filters,now offer the options to eliminate the need for the expensive regeneration plants area to purify the water. As occurs in pure springs, Pools by Nature system reproduce the natural nitrogen cycle; water purification process but now using advanced, robust & efficient multi stage process. The system is in use and is working extremely well.

The same as other makers and/or service providers of natural pool builders are noted in the article, Pools by Nature name can be noted as developers of the system. As to your comment on AD issue, I had eliminated superlatives and left facts.

Please let me know if you need us to add more info or other. Thanks,

October 2018
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Sorry for the mistake on the note to you – need to be : The same as 'Total Habitat", "clear water-revival" and others in the article Pools by Nature had describes the method developed and its operation on our site, if you take us out, you will have to eliminate others. The above are not ”independent reliable source” they selling product   More then others, we actually described the method and adding knowledge to the public.

Please note on links on footnotes:

9 http://www.clear-water-revival.com/naturalswimmingpools/indoornaturalswimmingpools 7 https://www.totalhabitat.com/how-we-are-different.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etangm7 (talk • contribs) 04:35, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

If that is ok PbN link is Ok Thanks


 * First, you should not be advertising your company on Wikipedia, period. Second, because it enhances understanding of the system, I left the descriptions of the two systems in the article. However, I pulled out the ad copy and stuck to an objective description of the product. —C.Fred (talk) 11:27, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Joined by others, the development in the field is made by companies like Pools by Nature. Implementing and incorporation new technologies to allow new options. At the next paragraph - Natural Pool Kit. It is noted that “…It is therefore far more complex to design and build a Natural Swimming Pool than it is to build a traditional, chemically-treated swimming pool.” Where in fact, with Pool by Nature method, the pool itself can be built like any other pool and when adding PbN vessel stages filtration, can achieving a strong “ecological stability” even in warmer climate areas and can now build indoor natural pools.

Your last correction, misrepresent Pools by Nature system and so I corrected mooted description and capabilities as follow:

Systems for pools without regeneration zones include a design by Pools by Nature US, [11] where water flows from the pool by gravity, through an automatic particles debris removal, then through a "Biofermenta system" to purify it. Using low-wattage pump, the purified water are disperse throughout the pool properly, providing water movement and needed oxidation. With this vessel-system, a strong “ecological stability” is achievable in warmer climates with possibility to now build indoor natural pools. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etangm7 (talk • contribs) 17:14, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * @Etangm7: The description in the article should be a general summary. We do not need a full description of the product, and it should not read like ad copy. —C.Fred (talk) 19:37, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Is is not a copy, I do not know what is your expertise in the field or on Pools by Nature system but you misrepresent mooted description and capabilities. As written in the correction, the system has several key segments which are essential. Your correction did not include them. I did add a very short sentence to describe the method correctly with its new options. Please respect our knowledge in the filed. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etangm7 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * @Etangm7: Please respect our conflict of interest policy and do not directly edit the article again. Instead, request your changes at Talk:Natural pool. —C.Fred (talk) 20:31, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

If you assume to know our system i ask we move to arbitration please respect and do not edited the article before it is resolved thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etangm7 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * @Etangm7: Arbitration will not take on the case until the matter has been discussed at the article's talk page. As for the article, if you prefer, I can return the page to the last status-quo version, which was before your company was mentioned at all (and before I pruned down the text about the other company). I encourage you to discuss the matter at the talk page. Frankly, if you suggested small additions, a sentence or two at a time, to be made to the text, I would be willing to get those into encyclopedic tone and, if possible, added to the article. —C.Fred (talk) 20:43, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

last, please note there is no conflict of interest as with total habitat and alike companies write here i only fixed facts. thanks


 * Then why do you refer to Pools by Nature as "our system"? It sure sounds like you are in some way connected with Pools by Nature. —C.Fred (talk) 20:44, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I am familiar with the system and know how it work, as your editing, i realized you are not familiar with new organic filtration systems but still make bold editing  which plainly miss represent knowledge. As respect to others, i did not make other changes in the article on others. I will continue correcting facts when are written incorrectly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etangm7 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

As you can see I did agree and suggested small additions to the text and do not mind if you like to get those into encyclopedic tone, as long as all the article is treated in the same way. Note there are new methods enabling new possibilities because of that. That is what I have now. Please do not eliminate facts and new options. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etangm7 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Dear C.Fred, To the issues themselves. Throughout the article there is an extensive description of NSP with regeneration plants area, describing in long paragraphs the wetland system, methods and developers/company in there full name and links. It is not clear, way when it comes to describe new technologies and options, they cannot be describe properly. Please explain, what in this sort description, (now in the paragraph- on pools without regeneration zones) is not a fact or a possibility of use:

“Systems for pools without regeneration zones include a design by Pools by Nature US, [11] where water flows from the pool by gravity, through an automatic particles debris removal, then through a "Biofermenta system" to purify it. Using low-wattage pump, the purified water are disperse throughout the pool properly, providing water movement and needed oxidation. With these organic filtration vessel system, a strong ecological stability is achievable in warmer climates, pools can be covered or heated up to 86F and have the option build indoor natural pools.” I responded to your comment "First, you should not be advertising your company on Wikipedia, period. Second, because it enhances understanding of the system, I left the descriptions of the two systems in the article. However, I pulled out the ad copy and stuck to an objective description of the product. —C.Fred (talk) 11:27, 17 October 2018 (UTC)"

And toke your suggestion "Frankly, if you suggested small additions, a sentence or two at a time, to be made to the text, I would be willing to get those into encyclopedic tone and, if possible, added to the article. —C.Fred (talk) 20:43, 17 October 2018 (UTC)" and added the above sentences with coractens on the metode description and options it now allwes. Please let me know if you feel there is any wording or alike issue.

Unfortunately, there is much misconception and lack of knowledge in this specific filed of purifying water to allow swimmers to do so in a healthy, natural and safe way. I am an Architect with more than 25 year experience in the field. All that I had added here, are facts and new options which do add knowledge to this evolving natural pools filed building. I am sure we can agree that this is clearly a main Wikipedia objective. and as you agreed:"it enhances understanding of the system" If you find facts or system possibilities discrepancies, I will be happy to address professionally. In the same way I do not challenge other contributors users in the article, I hope my addition be judge at face value.

Finely, as you understand, I an less familiar with wikipedia and miss understood your invention to discuss all of this here, i was in the impression i can correct this on the article page - with all i'm sure we can resolve the matter. I am not asking to be confrontational and thank you for your understanding.

Etangm7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etangm7 (talk • contribs) 01:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)


 * If there is "much misconception and lack of knowledge" in the field, then we need to get information from independent reliable sources, not from companies seeking to sell a product. Please don't make any further edits until the technology is covered in journals, trade magazines, or the like—and not just the reprint of a press release from the company. —C.Fred (talk) 01:51, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * User:C.Fred please don't encourage this person to do anything that is not complying with the WP:PAID policy. Their next edit should be disclosing their employer. Nothing else, by now. After they do, that, we can start to teach them how this place works, but right now their basis for being here is incorrect and as long as it remains that way, they have no chance of recognizing the way WP works. Jytdog (talk) 01:56, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. —C.Fred (talk) 00:00, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Please refer to me last comment @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:174.85.60.56#October_2018 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etangm7 (talk • contribs) 01:10, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Please stop
Please stop editing while logged out. You have a named account and as (very obviously) paid editor you should never edit while logged out. Jytdog (talk) 16:21, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning if you make any further edits without responding to the inquiry you received regarding undisclosed paid editing. The requirement to disclose applies whether you are editing while logged in or while logged out. —C.Fred (talk) 01:22, 19 October 2018 (UTC)