User talk:176.52.41.134

June 2022
Hello, I'm Jingiby. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 11:35, 27 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The point of view on the event expressed in the article does not meet the criteria of objectivity, as it completely ignores the statements and studies of the event of a missile strike on Kramatorsk by the opposite side. You should make the appropriate edits if you have at least a minimal understanding of what objectivity is.
 * https://avia-pro.net/news/seriynyy-nomer-rakety-udarivshey-po-kramatorsku-svidetelstvuet-o-tom-chto-ona-ukrainskaya 176.52.41.134 (talk) 11:51, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Reality
Hello, I'm here more to talk to the person than to concern myself with any particular edit. I get it. You are in Russia. Your Government takes great efforts to lead you to believe a certain "reality". The outside world does not accept it at all. You must find this distressing and confusing.

Yet, even though you are surrounded by Russian sources, you must be able to see that you have been misled about certain things.

The Kremlin does not call it a "Russian invasion of Ukraine" or even a "war." Surely you can see that it was both of these things. The Kremlin does not say that its troops were "defeated" at Kiev. Surely you can see that they were. Putin said that Russia would not "occupy" Ukraine. Surely you can see that they do. Putin says that the "operation" is going according to plan. Yet Putin's troops were defeated around Kiev. Who plans to be defeated?

If the Kremlin would lie to you about the invasion or about the war, surely you can see, if you choose to, that they would also lie to you about the fact that it was their missile. That's logic.

If you think this logic is dangerous to you to apply, I can't really disagree with you. It may be a correct personal decision to continue to pretend to believe the Kremlin.

But Wikipedia concerns itself with actual truth, not with what Russians are forced to believe for their personal safety.

Best wishes. Adoring nanny (talk) 16:06, 27 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Adoring nanny: With due respect, but it's not about making someone believe a particular narrative. Here at Wikipedia, we're concerned with sources. If reliable sources confirm that the missile belonged to Ukraine, we'll certainly try to include such information. For now, 176.52.41.134 has not presented such a source.
 * @176.52.41.134: Missile serial numbers are not an absolute proof of who's launched the missile. Given that all OTR-21 Tochka missiles have been manufactured in the Soviet Union and then exported or distributed using an unknown key among several former Soviet states – unless a reliable source attests that this specific serial number was allocated to Ukraine, your edits based on other serial numbers are pure speculation. — kashmīrī  TALK  16:14, 27 June 2022 (UTC)