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Independiente
Please, stop reverting the title count on Independiente article. AFA/AUF titles (such as Tie Cup, or Copa Aldao) are official honours, although they have not been organised by Conmebol. Some statements are wrong, p.e. FIFA DOES not recognise titles not organised by the body (such as Libertadores, or Intercontinental), only the Clubs World Cup is a competition organised by it. Likewise, Conmebol does not recognise AFA/AUF titles because the institution had not been founded by then. But AFA and AUF consider them "officials" and must be included. (see Memoria y Balance AFA, 1939)

On the other hand, the Lunar Cup was never official and must be included among the "friendly" titles. (If you referred to it as "the 21th title", it's a falacious statement). In the same train of thought, "Copa Aldao" is NOT a "minor title" as listed. I also cited the sources (that you erased) for each case: International titles won and comparison with other clubs (Clarín),

Other articles of Argentine clubs (Boca, River, Racing) list all the AFA/AUF trophies in the list of official titles, they can be separated from Conmebol honurs, but can't be ommitted. -