User talk:193.115.180.10

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Fire service articles
Please be careful when changing various articles relating to the fire service in the UK - especially the sections on legislation which have been fairly well researched and sourced. You've made - I assume in good faith - some changes which have been factually incorrect, so it might be better to discuss a significant change before making it as a courtesy to the editors who have made substantial contributions to these. Regards Escaper7 12:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there The Fire and Rescue Services Act is not the legislation which fire safety prosecutions or fire safety law is derived from - this is teh Rgeulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 - I know this as I am a fire safety enforcing officer in a UK fire brigade!!!!


 * Then you should know that the primary legislation IS the FRSA 2004 - because it's an act. The RRO is an order, not an Act - in fact it's a statutory instrument or piece of secondary legislation.  The FRSA gives powers to enter/inspect premises as did its forebearer - The Fire Services Act 1947.  As a fire safety officer, you'll also know that the RRO isn't exclusive to all premises/scenarios - ie the case of where explosives, fireworks or petrolium are stored.  Nonetheless, it's still better to discuss significant changes on the article's talk page to allow for the views of others.  Regards Escaper7 08:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Further Info
Unfortunately I have to disagree.

Whilst the Fire & Rescue Services Act 2004 gives operational firefighters powers of entry the following acts allow Fire Officers working on behalf of the Fire Authorty powers of entry:-

Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 is not superseeded or lower in rank than the FRS Act. An act isn't any higher in status than an order!

Fire Officer's Powers of entry and authority to prosecute come from:-

- Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 - Applies to all premises accept single domestic dwellings, offshore sites, open mines etc etc

- Fireworks Act 2004 dealt with fireworks not the Fire Services Act or its successor. But we would still prosecute under the RRO now it is in force

Licensing Act 2003 - Used to deal with licensed premises under this but no longer the case - again its the RRO thats the primary legislation.

Explosives - DSEAR Regulations but again we will now use RRO(FS)O 2005 since it came into force October 2006

Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 - Fire Officers were approveded inspectors under this legislation for the purposes of inspecting using the Workplace Fire Precautions but again the RRO is our primary piece of legislation now that the Workplace Regulations have gone.

No prosecution has ever been taken using the F&RS Act 2004 since the the RR(FSO) 2005 came into force for a fire safety related issue. Infact I don't think it has ever been used for any FIRE SAFETY OFFENCE.

Even access for fire appliances / fire crews is dealt with under the RRO, access for fire crews can also be addressed using the F&RS Act. However due legal complexities it is easier to use the RRO as other issues found during an inspection would come under it.

www.fire.org.uk is a great mine of info and also www.firesafetyguides.communities.gov.uk is another source of info you may wish to look at to update yourself on the standing of current legislation.

I would say again the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004 isn't used by Fire Safety officers. It deals more with operational personnel's power of entry!

Nowhere on my warrant card does it cite the F&RS Act 2004 as a Fire Officer. It did however when I was operational.


 * I think you're missing my point which is simply this: The FRSA is the framework - the basis in which all English/Welsh FRS are established and organised, and the functions they carry out. EG: Sec 6 says it must "make provision for promoting fire safety... etc".  However S.I. 2005/1541 says ""fire inspector" means an inspector or assistant inspector appointed under section 28 of the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004".  This discussion arose from some changes to Fire Authority so both the act - and SI work hand in glove.  I'm not suggesting one is superior/lower ranking.  What I'm saying is if there was no need for a FRS, then no need for a FRSA thus there would be no need for the SI. As you know SI 2005/1541 was widley cited in the press as one of the most signifacnt changes in fire safety legislation for decades.  Maybe  we should start an article on 1541? - I've added it to the list of SI on Wiki.  With your experience, you should also consider getting involved with the Wiki Fire Project. Contact user:Daysleeper47  Regards Escaper7 09:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

No sorry Escaper you are way off the mark here and I have to agree with the previous contributor. The Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004 and suite of Regulatory Reform Orders are not linked in the way that you think. With respect you seem very ill informed about these matters and should either research them further, or no comment on them at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.207.171 (talk) 02:29, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

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Indigo children
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London Fire Brigade
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Escaper27 16:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Trolling on fire articles
STOP trolling Wikipedia articles on fire. A user of this IP has made repeated pedantic edits accompanied by uncivil comments to a number of articles and my user pages including (as well as the above): All of these include "helpful" little lectures. If user/s of this IP won't adhere to Wikipolicy, then this page will inevitably be blocked. Regards Escaper27 12:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Institution of Fire Engineers  Many IFE qulification holders (including me) refer to GIFE or MIFE as well as MIFireE etc - this edit was not necessary, the comments were placed in the wrong place and as usual there was no signature.
 * - this note the threat of "telling a wiki admin"
 * Using a false or unregistered name on my user page:
 * Leaving comments unsigned