User talk:1bandsaw/Archives/2015/December

Ann Allebach
Is this the photo? The problem is that it appeared in a Mennonite yearbook, so they may or may not have renewed copyright on it. It's doubtful, but unless you can prove it, it cannot go on commons. You can do it one of two ways. Look on Hathitrust.org and see if they have any public domain articles (long tedious search) or you can upload the photo as "fair use". To do that, you clip it (search for the snipping tool on your computer and just snip away). Then press on the link on the left margin on any WP page that says "upload file". Then click "Click here to start the Upload Wizard" and fill out the spaces. You want to mark it as fair use of a deceased person. You can use similar logic to the image I uploaded here. It you get stuck, ping me and I'll help. But, I am one of those who learns by doing, so I always assume it's better to let you try and jump in if I'm needed. SusunW (talk) 04:53, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * SusunW Thanks for your advice on this, that'll be helpful the next time. By the time I saw your note here, someone else had already done as you instruct for Rev. Allebach.  Thanks! 1bandsaw (talk) 17:52, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that Ian had done it this morning. As long as your biography subject is deceased, "fair use" is the easiest way to go. It can always be replaced if a free image becomes available. SusunW (talk) 17:55, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Rucellai
Hi! Thanks for your edits, it looks as if you are doing all sorts of good stuff. I don't want to be a pain, but I thought I'd mention a few points arising from your edits to Bernardo Rucellai (a page which clearly needs all the help it can get). First, just for your info, the Italian word "accademia" is spelt with a double c; second, if you add a reference to an article, please try to conform with the referencing system already in use – so if it is list-defined (as there), it's better to add additional references in that format. What's been bothering me slightly more is that you seem to be particularly attached to a book called The Medici Women: Gender and Power in Renaissance Florence by Natalie R. Tomas, and seem to have added it to a number of articles. Could I ask you read a bit about WP:BOOKSPAM and why it is discouraged? , for example, is pretty much a textbook example – you've added a new "source", but in a way that could give the impression that this was done solely in order to increase exposure of the book (not saying that's how it is, just that it's how it could appear). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:39, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Justlettersandnumbers, I did read the bookspam part, but it talks about adding a book without using it in the article. I admit that the first time I added the source to those two articles, I only added the book.  I hadn't yet added the material and citations from it, when I was called away by real life to do other things.  I didn't get back to edit the articles further until the next day, whereupon I was discouraged by your reversions.  As for appearing 'attached' to a book, I'm most comfortable editing following WP:SOURCEMINE, where I find a good source (not easy in my local library), and extract as much value from it as I can.  My goal is to take articles which have few or no sources and at least try to provide some sourcing as I can with the sources I have available.  1bandsaw (talk) 22:02, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Well fair enough, and please excuse my suspicions (though that publishing house is a perfectly reputable one, we had a good deal of trouble with exactly this kind of spam from them a year or more ago). Discouraging productive editors is about the last thing I'm interested in doing. As to whether it's a reliable source, I think there's no doubt that it is (reputable publisher, author not totally unkown to Google Scholar though her cites are not impressive, reviews in serious journals). Whether it should be used extensively in the article is a different question; in my (strictly personal) opinion, agenda-driven texts need to be evaluated with particular care, and inclusion of the word "gender" in the title surely marks this as one – intentionally so, I imagine. Since there appear to be other easily-accessible sources which discuss Rucellai in considerable detail (this article in the Journal of the Warburg and Courtauld Institutes and the biographical introduction to this book are two that I found very quickly yesterday), it might be perhaps be better to work from those and make use of the Tomas source only if it contains information not available elsewhere. Always assuming, that is, that you plan to work on the page. If you do, I'll be happy to offer what help I can. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:31, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Rucellai
Hi! Thanks for your edits, it looks as if you are doing all sorts of good stuff. I don't want to be a pain, but I thought I'd mention a few points arising from your edits to Bernardo Rucellai (a page which clearly needs all the help it can get). First, just for your info, the Italian word "accademia" is spelt with a double c; second, if you add a reference to an article, please try to conform with the referencing system already in use – so if it is list-defined (as there), it's better to add additional references in that format. What's been bothering me slightly more is that you seem to be particularly attached to a book called The Medici Women: Gender and Power in Renaissance Florence by Natalie R. Tomas, and seem to have added it to a number of articles. Could I ask you read a bit about WP:BOOKSPAM and why it is discouraged? , for example, is pretty much a textbook example – you've added a new "source", but in a way that could give the impression that this was done solely in order to increase exposure of the book (not saying that's how it is, just that it's how it could appear). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:39, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Justlettersandnumbers, I did read the bookspam part, but it talks about adding a book without using it in the article. I admit that the first time I added the source to those two articles, I only added the book.  I hadn't yet added the material and citations from it, when I was called away by real life to do other things.  I didn't get back to edit the articles further until the next day, whereupon I was discouraged by your reversions.  As for appearing 'attached' to a book, I'm most comfortable editing following WP:SOURCEMINE, where I find a good source (not easy in my local library), and extract as much value from it as I can.  My goal is to take articles which have few or no sources and at least try to provide some sourcing as I can with the sources I have available.  1bandsaw (talk) 22:02, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Well fair enough, and please excuse my suspicions (though that publishing house is a perfectly reputable one, we had a good deal of trouble with exactly this kind of spam from them a year or more ago). Discouraging productive editors is about the last thing I'm interested in doing. As to whether it's a reliable source, I think there's no doubt that it is (reputable publisher, author not totally unkown to Google Scholar though her cites are not impressive, reviews in serious journals). Whether it should be used extensively in the article is a different question; in my (strictly personal) opinion, agenda-driven texts need to be evaluated with particular care, and inclusion of the word "gender" in the title surely marks this as one – intentionally so, I imagine. Since there appear to be other easily-accessible sources which discuss Rucellai in considerable detail (this article in the Journal of the Warburg and Courtauld Institutes and the biographical introduction to this book are two that I found very quickly yesterday), it might be perhaps be better to work from those and make use of the Tomas source only if it contains information not available elsewhere. Always assuming, that is, that you plan to work on the page. If you do, I'll be happy to offer what help I can. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:31, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for Ann Allebach
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Ann Allebach
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 27 December 2015 (UTC)